Full Version: Chp Stopping 5th Wheels?
Ummm....better check that vehicle code again. At a certain point, MOHO drivers need an endorsement too. believe it is for over 40'
QUOTE(Sand Tramp @ Oct 9 2007, 10:18 AM) 
Just thought I would let you guys know that CHP is indeed ticketing people for being out of class (12500(d) VC) for driving over 10K GVWR without an endorsement or over 15K GVWR without a Class A Non Commercial. My best friend is CHP and he ticketed a guy last night for it up here in Northern Calif and he says that more and more there will be tickets for this as this law becomes better known and understood by LEO's. He did say it was a fix it ticket though. Glad I don't have to worry about this anymore now that I have a motor home. So if they are doing it here in Nor Cal, you can better believe in So Cal, where there are more of these behemouth trailers, there will be some unhappy campers this season if they don't go get licensed.
Good information thanks. So its a fix it ticket only? They didn't make him park the trailer for driving out of class?
QUOTE(brianzi @ Sep 19 2007, 01:12 PM)
QUOTE(sandbound @ Mar 25 2007, 09:50 AM)
QUOTE(tazman @ Mar 25 2007, 01:37 AM)
are you a commercial chp officer?
No, I don't work for CHP, I work on an ambulance and spent a lot of time picking the commercial officers' brains at the coffee shop in the morning before our days get busy. I upgraded from a Dodge SRW to a dually after taking my rig over a scale and finding the rear axle of my SRW was almost 1000 lbs overloaded. I wanted to make sure the truck I replaced the SRW with was going to be legal. I was told that the only weight limits that are enforceable are ones that are printed on your door tag and the tires. GCVWR is not on the door tag and changes based on the options you get on your truck. For example the Dodge 3500 series trucks have about 12 different GCVWR depending on the gear ratio, transmission, engine and 2 vs. 4 wheel drive. Unless it is printed in the door CHP would have to have a truck full of binders of every model year truck to actually enforce the GCVWR.
The officer that pulled over your cousin may have meant that he can not exceed the combined GVWR of the truck and trailer combined. In addition to the laws listed concerning 5th wheels if his truck has a GVWR high enough (which a 4500 most likely does) that when combined with the trailer GVWR it equals 26001 + lbs then that also needs a class A. As an example, a 5th wheel with a GVWR of 14,999 lbs does not require a class A, just an endorsement. As soon as that trailer is attached to a truck with a GVWR of 11,002 lbs it puts the total at 26,001 lbs which needs a class A.
I know this is old but there is a lot of BS here. You cannot be ticketed for exceeding the GAWR/GVWR/GCVWR of your truck or trailer. Those specs are from the manufaturer and do not reflect how the truck is actually equipped. Check the vehicle code yourself if you don't believe me. But trust me it's been all over the place here and rv.net. It is against the law to exceed the ratings of your tires as printed on the sidewall. That's it. You do need a class a non-commercial to tow a 5th wheel over 15k GVWR. It has nothing to do with what your rig actually weighs, just the sticker. Your insurance will cover you in an accident without a class a non-commercial. Just call them and ask. Did they ask if you had the license when you got your insurance?
Mostly correct. You can be cited for exceeding the GAWR (gross axle weight rating), which is the sum of the weight ratings of the two tires on the axle. That is the one thing you cannot go over
well went and took the skills test today at fullerton dmv very easy test the pre trip was a piece of cake only missed 2 on the pre trip first one missed was not pointing out the fire extinguisher to him and the second was not telling him where the red triangles were... i cant believe i forgot this being i made a specail trip to walmart last nite to get the triangles and fire ext...
you have to have one in the trailer and one in the truck pretty lame but the driving test was very easy all the examiner wanted to do was talk about the best places around to go riding and he goes to mother g on a regular basis
you have to have one in the trailer and one in the truck pretty lame but the driving test was very easy all the examiner wanted to do was talk about the best places around to go riding and he goes to mother g on a regular basis
QUOTE(dunnritehvac @ Oct 18 2007, 02:50 PM)
well went and took the skills test today at fullerton dmv very easy test the pre trip was a piece of cake only missed 2 on the pre trip first one missed was not pointing out the fire extinguisher to him and the second was not telling him where the red triangles were... i cant believe i forgot this being i made a specail trip to walmart last nite to get the triangles and fire ext...
you have to have one in the trailer and one in the truck pretty lame but the driving test was very easy all the examiner wanted to do was talk about the best places around to go riding and he goes to mother g on a regular basis
you have to have one in the trailer and one in the truck pretty lame but the driving test was very easy all the examiner wanted to do was talk about the best places around to go riding and he goes to mother g on a regular basis
did you get the examines name maybe some of us can request him for our test....
cant remember his name but i did tell him about gd.com he said hell check in to it.... maybe there is hope for board members... lol
QUOTE(dunnritehvac @ Oct 18 2007, 02:50 PM)
well went and took the skills test today at fullerton dmv very easy test the pre trip was a piece of cake only missed 2 on the pre trip first one missed was not pointing out the fire extinguisher to him and the second was not telling him where the red triangles were... i cant believe i forgot this being i made a specail trip to walmart last nite to get the triangles and fire ext...
you have to have one in the trailer and one in the truck pretty lame but the driving test was very easy all the examiner wanted to do was talk about the best places around to go riding and he goes to mother g on a regular basis
you have to have one in the trailer and one in the truck pretty lame but the driving test was very easy all the examiner wanted to do was talk about the best places around to go riding and he goes to mother g on a regular basis
Thats odd you have to have a triangle/fire ext. in the truck AND a set in the trailer? On commercial you are only required one set ...in the Truck
QUOTE(CoronaKid @ Oct 18 2007, 03:09 PM)
QUOTE(dunnritehvac @ Oct 18 2007, 02:50 PM)
well went and took the skills test today at fullerton dmv very easy test the pre trip was a piece of cake only missed 2 on the pre trip first one missed was not pointing out the fire extinguisher to him and the second was not telling him where the red triangles were... i cant believe i forgot this being i made a specail trip to walmart last nite to get the triangles and fire ext...
you have to have one in the trailer and one in the truck pretty lame but the driving test was very easy all the examiner wanted to do was talk about the best places around to go riding and he goes to mother g on a regular basis
you have to have one in the trailer and one in the truck pretty lame but the driving test was very easy all the examiner wanted to do was talk about the best places around to go riding and he goes to mother g on a regular basis
Thats odd you have to have a triangle/fire ext. in the truck AND a set in the trailer? On commercial you are only required one set ...in the Truck
Torrance DMV. I only had to have them in the trailer and he never saw them only had to tell him about them. Then again he marked me off for not telling me about my oil pressure gage...What a donk
QUOTE(panther512 @ Oct 18 2007, 05:01 PM)
QUOTE(CoronaKid @ Oct 18 2007, 03:09 PM)
QUOTE(dunnritehvac @ Oct 18 2007, 02:50 PM)
well went and took the skills test today at fullerton dmv very easy test the pre trip was a piece of cake only missed 2 on the pre trip first one missed was not pointing out the fire extinguisher to him and the second was not telling him where the red triangles were... i cant believe i forgot this being i made a specail trip to walmart last nite to get the triangles and fire ext...
you have to have one in the trailer and one in the truck pretty lame but the driving test was very easy all the examiner wanted to do was talk about the best places around to go riding and he goes to mother g on a regular basis
you have to have one in the trailer and one in the truck pretty lame but the driving test was very easy all the examiner wanted to do was talk about the best places around to go riding and he goes to mother g on a regular basis
Thats odd you have to have a triangle/fire ext. in the truck AND a set in the trailer? On commercial you are only required one set ...in the Truck
Torrance DMV. I only had to have them in the trailer and he never saw them only had to tell him about them. Then again he marked me off for not telling me about my oil pressure gage...What a donk
What the hell does the Oil Pressure Gage have to do with Christmas
QUOTE(CoronaKid @ Oct 18 2007, 05:05 PM)
QUOTE(panther512 @ Oct 18 2007, 05:01 PM)
QUOTE(CoronaKid @ Oct 18 2007, 03:09 PM)
QUOTE(dunnritehvac @ Oct 18 2007, 02:50 PM)
well went and took the skills test today at fullerton dmv very easy test the pre trip was a piece of cake only missed 2 on the pre trip first one missed was not pointing out the fire extinguisher to him and the second was not telling him where the red triangles were... i cant believe i forgot this being i made a specail trip to walmart last nite to get the triangles and fire ext...
you have to have one in the trailer and one in the truck pretty lame but the driving test was very easy all the examiner wanted to do was talk about the best places around to go riding and he goes to mother g on a regular basis
you have to have one in the trailer and one in the truck pretty lame but the driving test was very easy all the examiner wanted to do was talk about the best places around to go riding and he goes to mother g on a regular basis
Thats odd you have to have a triangle/fire ext. in the truck AND a set in the trailer? On commercial you are only required one set ...in the Truck
Torrance DMV. I only had to have them in the trailer and he never saw them only had to tell him about them. Then again he marked me off for not telling me about my oil pressure gage...What a donk
What the hell does the Oil Pressure Gage have to do with Christmas
they ask this because it part of the pre trip in a CDL test. To make sure the oil pres. It needs to be at proper working level when starting the vehicle.
QUOTE(sin cal hd @ Oct 18 2007, 08:57 PM)
QUOTE(CoronaKid @ Oct 18 2007, 05:05 PM)
QUOTE(panther512 @ Oct 18 2007, 05:01 PM)
QUOTE(CoronaKid @ Oct 18 2007, 03:09 PM)
QUOTE(dunnritehvac @ Oct 18 2007, 02:50 PM)
well went and took the skills test today at fullerton dmv very easy test the pre trip was a piece of cake only missed 2 on the pre trip first one missed was not pointing out the fire extinguisher to him and the second was not telling him where the red triangles were... i cant believe i forgot this being i made a specail trip to walmart last nite to get the triangles and fire ext...
you have to have one in the trailer and one in the truck pretty lame but the driving test was very easy all the examiner wanted to do was talk about the best places around to go riding and he goes to mother g on a regular basis
you have to have one in the trailer and one in the truck pretty lame but the driving test was very easy all the examiner wanted to do was talk about the best places around to go riding and he goes to mother g on a regular basis
Thats odd you have to have a triangle/fire ext. in the truck AND a set in the trailer? On commercial you are only required one set ...in the Truck
Torrance DMV. I only had to have them in the trailer and he never saw them only had to tell him about them. Then again he marked me off for not telling me about my oil pressure gage...What a donk
What the hell does the Oil Pressure Gage have to do with Christmas
they ask this because it part of the pre trip in a CDL test. To make sure the oil pres. It needs to be at proper working level when starting the vehicle.
Just the Oil
in 1973 all you had to do was take the DMV person around the block and make him want out of the Truck
When I took my CDL they said I missed the lug nuts on the P/S. he said if I would have said "Check lugs on D/S and P/S" while I was inspecting them on the D/S I would have gotten it right. But I only said check lug nuts. Most test givers only expect you to "know" what your checking for not actually look for it and point it out.
Is the written test for the California Class A noncommercial the same as the Class A or different?
Can't seem to find any study guide online.
See I will have to take the Class C but hoping not the M one too.
Can't seem to find any study guide online.
See I will have to take the Class C but hoping not the M one too.
QUOTE (panther512 @ Apr 6 2007, 07:59 AM)
Took the written and passed with no problem. I went Wed to Torrance DMV to take what I thought was the pre trip inspection and driving test....boy was in for a treat. I show up at 1:30 for a 1:50 test with my Brother in-law (who is taking a test at 2:00) both rigs. We go to check in and they put us with the regular test people not the commercial duds. Then they tell us we have to come back and that set my brother off he paid a guy 200.00 who had a class A to come with us so we would be legal and they want us to come back..Bull dodo..The lady who graded our tests is the same person who made the driving test how could they make that mistake. Well it’s because the CHP wants to enforce the law but the DMV does not know what the law is and how to test people. They make it up as they go along. I want to yell at someone but it will not get me any place. So we both will be back tomorrow at 8am to (for me) take the driving part and my brother to take skills and pre inspection and driving. I hope this is all worth it cuz it’s costing me big time. I wonder if small claims could be in order for the money I lost to take off from work. The place I bought it at should have checked my CDL for the class A before letting me drives off the lot. 
DMV does not allow you to drive the test vehicle to the site for the test?!!!!
What are you to do if you do not have a friend with a license to do that?
Do they check?
Might as my "friend" to drive it there and let him leave so he doesn't have to wait around for me.
Will be visiting my friends at Torrance also.
The test is only 20 questions if you have taken/renewed your lic in the past year. Other wise you have to take the regualr test also. They do not ask any questions regarding air brakes or air systems. I just took/passed mine in April 2011 at the Fullerton DMV. The written test was very easy, don't forget to download the medical questioner... it just speeds up things at the DMV.
You have to have somebody with you who has their class A or non commercial class A lic. or you don't get checked in.
QUOTE (overthetop @ Jul 3 2011, 09:28 PM)
You have to have somebody with you who has their class A or non commercial class A lic. or you don't get checked in.
That's funny, I drove my truck/trailer to the DMV and no questions were asked.
QUOTE (BajaDezRacer @ Jul 3 2011, 09:06 PM)
Is the written test for the California Class A noncommercial the same as the Class A or different?
Can't seem to find any study guide online.
See I will have to take the Class C but hoping not the M one too.
Can't seem to find any study guide online.
See I will have to take the Class C but hoping not the M one too.
Here is the DNV book for the test you need to take.
http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/dl648/dl648.pdf
QUOTE (overthetop @ Jul 3 2011, 09:28 PM)
You have to have somebody with you who has their class A or non commercial class A lic. or you don't get checked in.
Probably true technically speaking, but not true practically speaking. When I was taking my test I asked if this was the case and she claimed that she wasn't sure. Even offered to call the boss and then let me know. At that point I figured that I'd already passed and didn't feel like giving her my number (she reminded me of a scooter). I can't recall anyone on here ever saying that they wern't allowed to take the test because they didn't have a licensed driver bring them to the test site.
Still on my to do list....
i have been pulling my triple axle weekend warrior trailer for 4 years now, and never stopped one time. have driven past several chp officers going several different locations to camp, ride, etc.
i do carry a valid commercial class "a" drivers license though. so if i am stopped, i do have proper credentials. no, im not a truck driver. our work trucks are triple axle rigs, and we sometimes tow trailers behind them, so we need commercial license to do our job legally.
i do carry a valid commercial class "a" drivers license though. so if i am stopped, i do have proper credentials. no, im not a truck driver. our work trucks are triple axle rigs, and we sometimes tow trailers behind them, so we need commercial license to do our job legally.
I didn't read through the entire threat so this might have already been mentioned, but if you go to DMV and ask for a Title 41 Endorsement to your class C license you will be allowed to tow a tag-type trailer up to 10K lbs, and a fifth wheel up to 15K lbs. It is a simple 20 question written test. No driving test or medical cert required. Study the DMV book's section on trailers as there are some specific questions needing specific answers.
I pretty much gaurantee no one at DMV will know what a Title 41 is, but get them to look it up (it took 5 people and 35 minutes for them to find it at Temecula DMV!).
My 5th wheel TH has a GVW of 14,100 lbs, so with the Title 41 I'm legal.
I pretty much gaurantee no one at DMV will know what a Title 41 is, but get them to look it up (it took 5 people and 35 minutes for them to find it at Temecula DMV!).
My 5th wheel TH has a GVW of 14,100 lbs, so with the Title 41 I'm legal.
QUOTE (wcimb @ Jul 4 2011, 08:49 AM)
I didn't read through the entire threat so this might have already been mentioned, but if you go to DMV and ask for a Title 41 Endorsement to your class C license you will be allowed to tow a tag-type trailer up to 10K lbs, and a fifth wheel up to 15K lbs. It is a simple 20 question written test. No driving test or medical cert required. Study the DMV book's section on trailers as there are some specific questions needing specific answers.
I pretty much gaurantee no one at DMV will know what a Title 41 is, but get them to look it up (it took 5 people and 35 minutes for them to find it at Temecula DMV!).
My 5th wheel TH has a GVW of 14,100 lbs, so with the Title 41 I'm legal.
I pretty much gaurantee no one at DMV will know what a Title 41 is, but get them to look it up (it took 5 people and 35 minutes for them to find it at Temecula DMV!).
My 5th wheel TH has a GVW of 14,100 lbs, so with the Title 41 I'm legal.
Can't you already tow a tag trailer up to 10,000lbs and a 5th wheel up to 15,000 with just a class C? Isn't it anything over those weights where you need the special endorsements or upgraded license?
QUOTE (Dune Carver @ Jul 3 2011, 10:00 PM)
QUOTE (BajaDezRacer @ Jul 3 2011, 09:06 PM)
Is the written test for the California Class A noncommercial the same as the Class A or different?
Can't seem to find any study guide online.
See I will have to take the Class C but hoping not the M one too.
Can't seem to find any study guide online.
See I will have to take the Class C but hoping not the M one too.
Here is the DNV book for the test you need to take.
http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/dl648/dl648.pdf
Cool thanks, good info!
How about studying the Commercial Handbook? Needed or not?
Thanks!
my trailer's GVW is 18k
Got mine about a month ago in Escondido. Inspection of vehicle was the toughest but even that wasn't that bad. Glad I am legal beagle now!! I can drive out to Glamis now with absolutely no worries.
Just got back from the DMV and was told that the NON Commercial Licenses were no longer available and that the # 41 endorsement was what I needed to pull my 5er. and that the #41 was the endorsement for 15k to 50k. for some reason I think the guy does not know what he is talking about but he did have to ask supervisor and his supervisor above that.
And to top it off I was told I cannot take the test cause it took to long for the guy to figure out what i "Needed" and the test station was closed...
Back to the DMV tomorrow.
And to top it off I was told I cannot take the test cause it took to long for the guy to figure out what i "Needed" and the test station was closed...
Back to the DMV tomorrow.
QUOTE (BJOHNSO5 @ Feb 2 2012, 06:10 PM)
Just got back from the DMV and was told that the NON Commercial Licenses were no longer available and that the # 41 endorsement was what I needed to pull my 5er. and that the #41 was the endorsement for 15k to 50k. for some reason I think the guy does not know what he is talking about but he did have to ask supervisor and his supervisor above that.
And to top it off I was told I cannot take the test cause it took to long for the guy to figure out what i "Needed" and the test station was closed...
Back to the DMV tomorrow.
And to top it off I was told I cannot take the test cause it took to long for the guy to figure out what i "Needed" and the test station was closed...
Back to the DMV tomorrow.
Probably not true but if it was it would be awesome. Keep us updated.
QUOTE (BJOHNSO5 @ Feb 2 2012, 06:10 PM)
Just got back from the DMV and was told that the NON Commercial Licenses were no longer available and that the # 41 endorsement was what I needed to pull my 5er. and that the #41 was the endorsement for 15k to 50k. for some reason I think the guy does not know what he is talking about but he did have to ask supervisor and his supervisor above that.
And to top it off I was told I cannot take the test cause it took to long for the guy to figure out what i "Needed" and the test station was closed...
Back to the DMV tomorrow.
And to top it off I was told I cannot take the test cause it took to long for the guy to figure out what i "Needed" and the test station was closed...
Back to the DMV tomorrow.
I would make sure it's someone from a commercial DMV office that is telling you this. It sounds to me like the guys you were dealing with just didn't have the juevos to say "I don't know".
I know they got rid of the Non commercial class B. I have to change back to a class c with a new endorsement for my job whenever I renew my license so there could be some truth to this. This was information from the DMV straight to the dept I work for so its legit. I checked on the DMV website and it still has my old non commercial class B requirements still listed even though I know for sure it no longer exists so I guess well just have to wait and see. It would be sweet if the non commercial class a crap went away.
I just called the commerxial office in Bakersfield and they said as far as they know they are still issuing non commercial class A licenses. Just FYI.
QUOTE (kofire @ Feb 3 2012, 09:55 AM)
I just called the commerxial office in Bakersfield and they said as far as they know they are still issuing non commercial class A licenses. Just FYI.
Few years ago I asked to take the #41 endorsment at the "F-Street" office and they hd never herd of it...
Yeah most of them are complete idiots. If we could get some concrete info it would be great. I know what the website states but that is not necessarily accurate information.
So the plot thickens…. I go back to the DMV today to get my restriction 41 added to my class C. I tell the lady what I need and she has the blank stare of a 9th grader in economics class. She then says you need what so we start all over again…. I say 5th wheel blah blah blah 15000 lbs yadda yadda. Oh I have to go ask my supervisor. OMG really. So she finally comes back and says you need the NON COMERCIAL class A… oh really yesterday it was not even available you no longer have that class.
So here we go
Vision test… Check
Paperwork… check
Thumb print… check
Pay them… check
Take picture… check
Take Class C written test…..
Retake class C written test… check
Take class A written test… check
Now what.. oh I gotta go and make an appointment for a drive test…
Thank you DMV I now get to spend another day in your Hell…
So here we go
Vision test… Check
Paperwork… check
Thumb print… check
Pay them… check
Take picture… check
Take Class C written test…..
Retake class C written test… check
Take class A written test… check
Now what.. oh I gotta go and make an appointment for a drive test…
Thank you DMV I now get to spend another day in your Hell…
QUOTE (BJOHNSO5 @ Feb 3 2012, 04:47 PM)
So the plot thickens…. I go back to the DMV today to get my restriction 41 added to my class C. I tell the lady what I need and she has the blank stare of a 9th grader in economics class. She then says you need what so we start all over again…. I say 5th wheel blah blah blah 15000 lbs yadda yadda. Oh I have to go ask my supervisor. OMG really. So she finally comes back and says you need the NON COMERCIAL class A… oh really yesterday it was not even available you no longer have that class.
So here we go
Vision test… Check
Paperwork… check
Thumb print… check
Pay them… check
Take picture… check
Take Class C written test…..
Retake class C written test… check
Take class A written test… check
Now what.. oh I gotta go and make an appointment for a drive test…
Thank you DMV I now get to spend another day in your Hell…
So here we go
Vision test… Check
Paperwork… check
Thumb print… check
Pay them… check
Take picture… check
Take Class C written test…..
Retake class C written test… check
Take class A written test… check
Now what.. oh I gotta go and make an appointment for a drive test…
Thank you DMV I now get to spend another day in your Hell…
Whats the gvwr of your fiver?
you need to find out what the gvwr is of your trailer. if it is 15,000lbs or less on a 5er, you only need a restriction 41. if it is 15,001 or above then its non-comm class A
i just had the restriction 41 added to my class C. the people at the DMV are complete tools. i recommend bringing the handbook for recreational vehicles/trailers with you and show them what you need to get. its what i had to do, after they had me take the test for the 45' housecar.....
i just had the restriction 41 added to my class C. the people at the DMV are complete tools. i recommend bringing the handbook for recreational vehicles/trailers with you and show them what you need to get. its what i had to do, after they had me take the test for the 45' housecar.....
Yes the folks at the DMV are tools. the GVWR is 15k... the supervisor there spent 10 min looking over the vehicle code and decided that her interpertation was that 15k and up needed the NCA and not the 41. Whatever. i wanted the NCA anyway and the only differance is the drive test so now ill never have to worry about it.
There is no reason for you to get the NCDL unless you just want too. The dmv website clearly states OVER 15k. Which means 15001. Stupid effing DMV are worthless sometimes. If you just want to get it thats cool but you dont need to. You would be fine with restriction 41.
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