Full Version: Wildlands project: The ultimate goal
Stated right up front.
[quote]"We have got to share this planet with the other living creatures, and sharing means not merely preserving them in zoos or National Parks, but setting aside huge areas. Whole regions perhaps that will be free of human interference. Ideally, I would like to see certain large areas of the planet set off-limits to human entry of any kind, even aerial over flights."[/quote]
And you and would just as soon see this planet covered with pavement, Blacktop, polluted water, gray skies and barren earth to ride your polluting vehicles on.
JET loves to clear natural areas on his bulldozer. Of course, he needs the area to be first overrun with OHV trails so it won't qualify as sensitive land that could support native wildlife.
When he's not destoying habitat on his vehicles, he's out shooting his gun and preparing for a chance to take a life.
Some of us care about nature and open spaces. What if the wildlands project were to become reality and wild animal populations increased? After a while they'd probably let in hunters with bows and arrows to take some of the prey animals. Of course, you probably wouldn't take in a cold beer to drink while hunting.
Best of all, we'd have some vestige of wild area where the miracles of nature can be studied.
And you and would just as soon see this planet covered with pavement, Blacktop, polluted water, gray skies and barren earth to ride your polluting vehicles on.
JET loves to clear natural areas on his bulldozer. Of course, he needs the area to be first overrun with OHV trails so it won't qualify as sensitive land that could support native wildlife.
When he's not destoying habitat on his vehicles, he's out shooting his gun and preparing for a chance to take a life.
Some of us care about nature and open spaces. What if the wildlands project were to become reality and wild animal populations increased? After a while they'd probably let in hunters with bows and arrows to take some of the prey animals. Of course, you probably wouldn't take in a cold beer to drink while hunting.
Best of all, we'd have some vestige of wild area where the miracles of nature can be studied.
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Best of all, we'd have some vestige of wild area where the miracles of nature can be studied.[/quote]
Nope, not unless by studying, you mean from a satalite. That guy is talking about no interferance at all, not even fly overs. That means that even the enviro people couldn't get in. I'm sure that wouldn't bother folks like the CBD any. They're too busy trying to win more land and more power and more money to waste time actually walking in the wilderness. :roll:
Best of all, we'd have some vestige of wild area where the miracles of nature can be studied.[/quote]
Nope, not unless by studying, you mean from a satalite. That guy is talking about no interferance at all, not even fly overs. That means that even the enviro people couldn't get in. I'm sure that wouldn't bother folks like the CBD any. They're too busy trying to win more land and more power and more money to waste time actually walking in the wilderness. :roll:
[quote] to ride your polluting vehicles on[/quote]
So how's that 1981 Datsun (polluting?) running again? **** sky is still a hypocrite as well as an eco-zealot!!! Not much has changed!
So how's that 1981 Datsun (polluting?) running again? **** sky is still a hypocrite as well as an eco-zealot!!! Not much has changed!
Fireball--here's a link to a photo essay of a CBD hike through the wilderness.
http://www.dpcinc.org/theplacenooneknew.htm
As far as the Wildlands rhetoric goes, my feeling is this is like asking for $100 when you'll settle for $50.
Monitoring and management of the project will be necesary to determine its effectiveness. People will have to be allowed in.
Just think--it would be a great place to elude the cops if you're running from the law! Just be ready to protect yourself from hungry animals and poisonous plants! :pimp:
http://www.dpcinc.org/theplacenooneknew.htm
As far as the Wildlands rhetoric goes, my feeling is this is like asking for $100 when you'll settle for $50.
Monitoring and management of the project will be necesary to determine its effectiveness. People will have to be allowed in.
Just think--it would be a great place to elude the cops if you're running from the law! Just be ready to protect yourself from hungry animals and poisonous plants! :pimp:
[quote]Fireball--here's a link to a photo essay of a CBD hike through the wilderness.
http://www.dpcinc.org/theplacenooneknew.htm
As far as the Wildlands rhetoric goes, my feeling is this is like asking for $100 when you'll settle for $50.
Monitoring and management of the project will be necesary to determine its effectiveness. People will have to be allowed in.
Just think--it would be a great place to elude the cops if you're running from the law! Just be ready to protect yourself from hungry animals and poisonous plants! :pimp:[/quote]
Hide from the law??? Are you a criminal too **** sky?? :eww:
http://www.dpcinc.org/theplacenooneknew.htm
As far as the Wildlands rhetoric goes, my feeling is this is like asking for $100 when you'll settle for $50.
Monitoring and management of the project will be necesary to determine its effectiveness. People will have to be allowed in.
Just think--it would be a great place to elude the cops if you're running from the law! Just be ready to protect yourself from hungry animals and poisonous plants! :pimp:[/quote]
Hide from the law??? Are you a criminal too **** sky?? :eww:
[quote] The goal of the Wildlands Project is to set aside approximately fifty (50) percent of the North American continent (Turtle Island) as "wild land" for the preservation of biological diversity.
The project seeks to do this by creating "reserve networks" across the continent. Reserves are made up of the following:
Cores, created from public lands such as National Forest and Parks
Buffers, often created from private land adjoining the cores to provide additional protection
Corridors, a mix of public and private lands usually following along rivers and wildlife migration routes
The primary characteristics of core areas are that they are large (100,000 to 25 million acres), and allow for little, if any, human use.
The primary characteristics of buffers are that they allow for limited human use so long as they are "managed with native biodiversity as a preeminent concern."
Moral and ethical guidelines for the Wildlands Project are based on the philosophy of Deep Ecology.
The eight point platform of Deep Ecology can be summarized as follows:
All life (human and non-human) has equal value.
Resource consumption above what is needed to supply "vital" human needs is immoral.
Human population must be reduced
Western civilization must radically change present economic, technological, and ideological structures.
Believers have an obligation to try to implement the necessary changes.
The Wildlands Project itself is supported by hundreds of groups working towards its long-term implementation. Implementation may take 100 years or more.
The Wildlands Project has received millions of dollars in support from wealthy private and corporate foundations such as the Turner Foundation, Patagonia, W. Alton Jones Foundation, Lyndhurst Foundation, etc.
Conclusion:
The Wildlands Project exist within legal boundaries, however that should not prevent us from being concerned. At the very least, it advocates an extreme manifestation of environmental and public policy. Therefore, any claim the Wildlands Project makes toward public policy must be debated, and ultimately decided, in the public arena. Yet to date it has existed almost anonymously; beyond the knowledge of the wider public. It must be examined out from behind the cover of more general environmental concerns, held up for public scrutiny, and either accepted or rejected by a public fully aware of its implications. Failing to do so could have dire consequences, for as John Adams once wrote, "Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge by the people." [/quote]
This is quoted off the "summary" page.
- I wasn't aware that North America was re-named Turtle Island. I even checked a few maps that I had at the house to make sure. :dozey:
- 50% of all land on the North American continent? That is NEVER going to happen, as it even states on their own website, " Implementation may take 100 years or more." Nope, isn't going to happen.
- OK so human and non human life has equal value, so why is it that the human population must be reduced? If the grand plan is to have all "wildlife" (not counting the GD.com crew :wink: ) in 50% of the continent, then what the hell are you planning to do with the other 50%?
- "Believers have an obligation to try to implement the necessary changes" So are these going to be the ones "reducing the human populations?"
Whatever, this is a bunch of BS blah blah blah if you asked me. I am NOT worried about this ever taking effect, or even being a serious threat. Hey let all those rich bastard guys toss their cash to a usless cause like this, rather than trying to use it to close the dunes. :rant: [/quote]
The project seeks to do this by creating "reserve networks" across the continent. Reserves are made up of the following:
Cores, created from public lands such as National Forest and Parks
Buffers, often created from private land adjoining the cores to provide additional protection
Corridors, a mix of public and private lands usually following along rivers and wildlife migration routes
The primary characteristics of core areas are that they are large (100,000 to 25 million acres), and allow for little, if any, human use.
The primary characteristics of buffers are that they allow for limited human use so long as they are "managed with native biodiversity as a preeminent concern."
Moral and ethical guidelines for the Wildlands Project are based on the philosophy of Deep Ecology.
The eight point platform of Deep Ecology can be summarized as follows:
All life (human and non-human) has equal value.
Resource consumption above what is needed to supply "vital" human needs is immoral.
Human population must be reduced
Western civilization must radically change present economic, technological, and ideological structures.
Believers have an obligation to try to implement the necessary changes.
The Wildlands Project itself is supported by hundreds of groups working towards its long-term implementation. Implementation may take 100 years or more.
The Wildlands Project has received millions of dollars in support from wealthy private and corporate foundations such as the Turner Foundation, Patagonia, W. Alton Jones Foundation, Lyndhurst Foundation, etc.
Conclusion:
The Wildlands Project exist within legal boundaries, however that should not prevent us from being concerned. At the very least, it advocates an extreme manifestation of environmental and public policy. Therefore, any claim the Wildlands Project makes toward public policy must be debated, and ultimately decided, in the public arena. Yet to date it has existed almost anonymously; beyond the knowledge of the wider public. It must be examined out from behind the cover of more general environmental concerns, held up for public scrutiny, and either accepted or rejected by a public fully aware of its implications. Failing to do so could have dire consequences, for as John Adams once wrote, "Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge by the people." [/quote]
This is quoted off the "summary" page.
- I wasn't aware that North America was re-named Turtle Island. I even checked a few maps that I had at the house to make sure. :dozey:
- 50% of all land on the North American continent? That is NEVER going to happen, as it even states on their own website, " Implementation may take 100 years or more." Nope, isn't going to happen.
- OK so human and non human life has equal value, so why is it that the human population must be reduced? If the grand plan is to have all "wildlife" (not counting the GD.com crew :wink: ) in 50% of the continent, then what the hell are you planning to do with the other 50%?
- "Believers have an obligation to try to implement the necessary changes" So are these going to be the ones "reducing the human populations?"
Whatever, this is a bunch of BS blah blah blah if you asked me. I am NOT worried about this ever taking effect, or even being a serious threat. Hey let all those rich bastard guys toss their cash to a usless cause like this, rather than trying to use it to close the dunes. :rant: [/quote]
[quote]Fireball--here's a link to a photo essay of a CBD hike through the wilderness.
http://www.dpcinc.org/theplacenooneknew.htm
As far as the Wildlands rhetoric goes, my feeling is this is like asking for $100 when you'll settle for $50.
Monitoring and management of the project will be necesary to determine its effectiveness. People will have to be allowed in.
Just think--it would be a great place to elude the cops if you're running from the law! Just be ready to protect yourself from hungry animals and poisonous plants! :pimp:[/quote]
I believe the photo essay that is so well documented in that link is propaganda. The CBD is using it to sell an image that they want to project. Do the CBD ever take vacations from their court battles and go to relax at the salton sea to watch birds? For some reason, I doubt that.
[quote]Resource consumption above what is needed to supply "vital" human needs is immoral.[/quote] I bet that Danny boy would give his left arm to be the one who decided what was vital. I know what is vital to my life and the CBD and others are trying to take it away from me. How about I'll decide what is vital for me and the rest of the world minds their own business?
Does this mean that you don't condone lawless behavior as long as what you deem "vital wilderness" is kept relativly free of human contamination?
http://www.dpcinc.org/theplacenooneknew.htm
As far as the Wildlands rhetoric goes, my feeling is this is like asking for $100 when you'll settle for $50.
Monitoring and management of the project will be necesary to determine its effectiveness. People will have to be allowed in.
Just think--it would be a great place to elude the cops if you're running from the law! Just be ready to protect yourself from hungry animals and poisonous plants! :pimp:[/quote]
I believe the photo essay that is so well documented in that link is propaganda. The CBD is using it to sell an image that they want to project. Do the CBD ever take vacations from their court battles and go to relax at the salton sea to watch birds? For some reason, I doubt that.
[quote]Resource consumption above what is needed to supply "vital" human needs is immoral.[/quote] I bet that Danny boy would give his left arm to be the one who decided what was vital. I know what is vital to my life and the CBD and others are trying to take it away from me. How about I'll decide what is vital for me and the rest of the world minds their own business?
Does this mean that you don't condone lawless behavior as long as what you deem "vital wilderness" is kept relativly free of human contamination?
[quote]This is quoted off the "summary" page. [/quote]
obviously a summary made up by those who hate the Wildlands project. Don't you think we should evaluate them based on their own declarations?
[quote]I wasn't aware that North America was re-named Turtle Island. [/quote]
you got that backwards, Queenie. Turtle Island is the Native American term for North America.
[quote]so why is it that the human population must be reduced? [/quote]
uh well, if it wasn't for too much population, the impacts of off-roaders would be far less and not generate so much damage and controversy. (just one example.)
[quote]then what the hell are you planning to do with the other 50%? [/quote]
uh I dunno, development? OHV parks? what do you want to do with it?
[quote]So are these going to be the ones "reducing the human populations?" [/quote]
I'll bet most concerned people have limited themselves to one or no children.[quote]Does this mean that you don't condone lawless behavior as long as what you deem "vital wilderness" is kept relativly free of human contamination? [/quote]
I don't condone lawless behavior.
obviously a summary made up by those who hate the Wildlands project. Don't you think we should evaluate them based on their own declarations?
[quote]I wasn't aware that North America was re-named Turtle Island. [/quote]
you got that backwards, Queenie. Turtle Island is the Native American term for North America.
[quote]so why is it that the human population must be reduced? [/quote]
uh well, if it wasn't for too much population, the impacts of off-roaders would be far less and not generate so much damage and controversy. (just one example.)
[quote]then what the hell are you planning to do with the other 50%? [/quote]
uh I dunno, development? OHV parks? what do you want to do with it?
[quote]So are these going to be the ones "reducing the human populations?" [/quote]
I'll bet most concerned people have limited themselves to one or no children.[quote]Does this mean that you don't condone lawless behavior as long as what you deem "vital wilderness" is kept relativly free of human contamination? [/quote]
I don't condone lawless behavior.
[quote]JET loves to clear natural areas on his bulldozer. [/quote]
Only if they are old growth. My bulldozer is fully enclosed and the air conditioning unit uses R12. I love playing the song "Born Free" as I plow through and mow down old growth forrests. I really like it when the cuddly little animals (mobile meat) get caught up in the foliage. I don't have to use a bullet to get them. FREE LUNCH, BABY!
[quote]When he's not destoying habitat on his vehicles, he's out shooting his gun and preparing for a chance to take a life.[/quote]
<jumping up and down>
I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL!
[quote]Of course, you probably wouldn't take in a cold beer to drink while hunting. [/quote]
I prefer Jack Daniels and cocaine when I hunt. :bandit:
Only if they are old growth. My bulldozer is fully enclosed and the air conditioning unit uses R12. I love playing the song "Born Free" as I plow through and mow down old growth forrests. I really like it when the cuddly little animals (mobile meat) get caught up in the foliage. I don't have to use a bullet to get them. FREE LUNCH, BABY!
[quote]When he's not destoying habitat on his vehicles, he's out shooting his gun and preparing for a chance to take a life.[/quote]
<jumping up and down>
I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL!
[quote]Of course, you probably wouldn't take in a cold beer to drink while hunting. [/quote]
I prefer Jack Daniels and cocaine when I hunt. :bandit:
[quote][quote]JET loves to clear natural areas on his bulldozer. [/quote]
Only if they are old growth. My bulldozer is fully enclosed and the air conditioning unit uses R12. I love playing the song "Born Free" as I plow through and mow down old growth forrests. I really like it when the cuddly little animals (mobile meat) get caught up in the foliage. I don't have to use a bullet to get them. FREE LUNCH, BABY!
[quote]When he's not destoying habitat on his vehicles, he's out shooting his gun and preparing for a chance to take a life.[/quote]
<jumping up and down>
I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL!
[quote]Of course, you probably wouldn't take in a cold beer to drink while hunting. [/quote]
I prefer Jack Daniels and cocaine when I hunt. :bandit:[/quote]
Only if they are old growth. My bulldozer is fully enclosed and the air conditioning unit uses R12. I love playing the song "Born Free" as I plow through and mow down old growth forrests. I really like it when the cuddly little animals (mobile meat) get caught up in the foliage. I don't have to use a bullet to get them. FREE LUNCH, BABY!
[quote]When he's not destoying habitat on his vehicles, he's out shooting his gun and preparing for a chance to take a life.[/quote]
<jumping up and down>
I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL!
[quote]Of course, you probably wouldn't take in a cold beer to drink while hunting. [/quote]
I prefer Jack Daniels and cocaine when I hunt. :bandit:[/quote]
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:
:twisted:
[quote]I don't condone lawless behavior.[/quote]
Bluesky chooses which laws in particular he will or will not adhere to.
For instance building without permits, right BS?
Bluesky, I've been distracted lately and I can see your posts following the usual pattern. The difference is I usually spot your downward spiral before it hits rock bottom but like I said, this time I was districted.
I cannot help it if these good people continue to feed your illness but I can limit the spread of your disease.
Watch yourself there BS. There is no patience left for you.
Vicki
Bluesky chooses which laws in particular he will or will not adhere to.
For instance building without permits, right BS?
Bluesky, I've been distracted lately and I can see your posts following the usual pattern. The difference is I usually spot your downward spiral before it hits rock bottom but like I said, this time I was districted.
I cannot help it if these good people continue to feed your illness but I can limit the spread of your disease.
Watch yourself there BS. There is no patience left for you.
Vicki
Damn...I go away for five weeks to the east coast and when I get back I find out that ol' blewski is still having brain farts! :roll2: :roll2:
[quote]I cannot help it if these good people continue to feed your illness but I can limit the spread of your disease.
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Sorry Vicki, it is like having something that hurts when you touch it but for some reason you just can't stop. :whoa:
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Sorry Vicki, it is like having something that hurts when you touch it but for some reason you just can't stop. :whoa:
[quote]I prefer Jack Daniels and cocaine when I hunt.[/quote]
:bounce: :rollsmile: Jeez! That's hilarious!!
:bounce: :rollsmile: Jeez! That's hilarious!!
Is the Jack & "Coke" for you or the animals!! :wink: :cheese:
:cheese:
[quote]Is the Jack & "Coke" for you or the animals!! :wink: :cheese:[/quote]
Me of course. :twisted:
I use a fully automatic assault rifle because after a fifth and an 8-ball my aim is a little off. So I compensate with the "accuracy by volume" method. :mrgreen:
:cheese:[/quote]
Me of course. :twisted:
I use a fully automatic assault rifle because after a fifth and an 8-ball my aim is a little off. So I compensate with the "accuracy by volume" method. :mrgreen:
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I use a fully automatic assault rifle because after a fifth and an 8-ball my aim is a little off. So I compensate with the "accuracy by volume" method.
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Jeff,
Thanks for the laugh! That is funny as hell! Oh, and Bluesky... EFF YOU!
I use a fully automatic assault rifle because after a fifth and an 8-ball my aim is a little off. So I compensate with the "accuracy by volume" method.
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Jeff,
Thanks for the laugh! That is funny as hell! Oh, and Bluesky... EFF YOU!
:shock: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
nice ones jet
nice ones jet
[quote][quote]I cannot help it if these good people continue to feed your illness but I can limit the spread of your disease.
[/quote]
Sorry Vicki, it is like having something that hurts when you touch it but for some reason you just can't stop. :whoa:[/quote]
No apology necessary... you had me rolling!
I was just firing a warning shot at The Troll :ninja:
Vicki
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Sorry Vicki, it is like having something that hurts when you touch it but for some reason you just can't stop. :whoa:[/quote]
No apology necessary... you had me rolling!
I was just firing a warning shot at The Troll :ninja:
Vicki
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