The driver. We could and likely will debate for years what buggy works best, who prefers what, etc. That is all good, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But a good driver/duner can go fast in nearly any buggy. It just takes an adjustment of their driving style to compensate for the particular handling characteristics of the buggy they are driving.
For example:
A buggy that pushes/understeers badly can still be driven fast, albeit with a little more effort, by learning to chop the throttle at just the right point to load the front tires before a turn, then getting back on the throttle "just right." (picture an Indy car with 6" wide front tires)
A buggy that is loose/oversteers can be driven fast with careful steering input and throttle control. (picture an Indy car with 6" wide rear tires)
Another example:
A good driver in a low-slung standard-travel rail can pick a line that many, if not most, long-travel buggies could not possibly follow. But this driver has to PICK that line carefully to avoid breaking the car in two. He is adjusting his driving style to cater to his buggy.
But a similarly skilled driver in a long-travel buggy could pick a line that the standard-travel guy could not follow. But this driver has also created his driving style according to his own buggy. You most likely won't find him spinning 360s across the side of a bowl like the standard-travel guy likes to do. But you might find him powering through whoops without a thought because his car can do it.
Final answer? Buggies can and do handle very differently, but a good driver can make all the difference in the world.
Do you agree?
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King, well put as usual, Justin
i can power through the whoops 3rd gear in my standerd travel buggy, and it's quite smooth.
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I agree it is possible, and I have done it too. But from my experience it is not near as smooth as a long-travel buggy.
can power through the whoops 3rd gear in my standerd travel buggy, and it's quite smooth.
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I agree it is possible, and I have done it too. But from my experience it is not near as smooth as a long-travel buggy.
Good word's of advice to live by. If you don't know what your doing don't do it.
Along the same lines, if the driver forgets that someone is following him in the opposite style buggy he can make a pretty miserable ride.
absolutely King
A mutal dune friend was braggin how his mid travel rail just handled "awesome in the whops, I don't even feel them" You'd see him just fly over them...
The guy he bought the rail from told him it had 12" of travel. When he took apart his front end it had totally incorrect geometry and the shocks were binding at 3" of travel not the 12" he thought he had.
Moral? You just will yourself into thinking your ride is great. :? :shock:
Maybe your ride is the poops!
but if you think it's great... :oops:
SO BE IT!
:mrgreen:
The guy he bought the rail from told him it had 12" of travel. When he took apart his front end it had totally incorrect geometry and the shocks were binding at 3" of travel not the 12" he thought he had.
Moral? You just will yourself into thinking your ride is great. :? :shock:
Maybe your ride is the poops!
but if you think it's great... :oops:
SO BE IT!
:mrgreen:
we try and set up cars all the time and some guys waste an entire weekend pulling shocks apart and changing spring rate/ride height and valving when I dialed in my car I did one thing per trip if it work good great if it didnt I would just "Drive and Smile"...Mike :mrgreen:
A "GOOD" car can make an average driver look good, but "GOOD " driver can make ANY car look good..................my $0.02 We on ocassion dune in our Manx......stock VW suspension, single port 1500cc motor, street tires at 5lbs.....NO travel, NO power, No traction.........Still....LOT's 'o FUN
Gotta pick those lines..........LOL.........LOL..... :cheese:
Gotta pick those lines..........LOL.........LOL..... :cheese:
Yeah my rail not be the best.. or be as "smooth" over the whoops as it would be to some of your buggy's, But to me it's a lot better than what i had before. Old sand sprite with fiberglass sidepanels/hood, stock irs and tube, stock front end, 1600 s/p motor. And also the buggy i learned on.
Now i have a fugitive bigboy frame, custom torsion with more shock travel (still not enough for me now, will upgrade soon), link pin front end with stops cut off, 1835dp motor. smoothies up front instead of 75lb 3 rib tractor tires.
Now i have a fugitive bigboy frame, custom torsion with more shock travel (still not enough for me now, will upgrade soon), link pin front end with stops cut off, 1835dp motor. smoothies up front instead of 75lb 3 rib tractor tires.
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| A \"GOOD\" car can make an average driver look good, but \"GOOD \" driver can make ANY car look good..................my $0.02 We on ocassion dune in our Manx......stock VW suspension, single port 1500cc motor, street tires at 5lbs.....NO travel, NO power, No traction.........Still....LOT's 'o FUN
Gotta pick those lines..........LOL.........LOL..... :cheese: |
I used to lead our group with a manx on a short pan with just 3*3 arm's and a 2180 it was a blast! but it really got to the guy's with the expenssive cars because i could still make them drive there arse off!
the driver makes the car ,the car don't make the driver.
GREAT TOPIC!
I can dune anything, and have fun doing so!
A friend came out to Glamis with a borrowed buggy. He'd never drove a buggy in the dunes before. This car was a basic "stock" VW based buggy that was built for the Mexican beach. It had fishing pole racks!
Anyway, he didn't have padles. Just some dirt tires. He was VERY afraid to get it stuck and so would only drive it on the flats.
I finally talked him into letting me take it for a spin and we went EVERYWHERE! He was amazed! I told him, "Hell, you just gotta pick your line!"
We didn't make a couple of hills, no biggie, we turned out and tried it again. Never got stuck!
I've duned my MANX with street tires. Stock SP 1600 and broken shocks. Could I go everywhere? NO.. but I went alot of places and had a ball!
My buggy has a very nice 1915cc VW motor that kicks ass, but I'm stock all the way around. I have to be VERY careful about dips and bumps and such or yes, it will break. But I can pull the turnbrake while going fullspeed up hill, charge back down hill and then spin it around again.
I hate whoops, though!
A friend came out to Glamis with a borrowed buggy. He'd never drove a buggy in the dunes before. This car was a basic "stock" VW based buggy that was built for the Mexican beach. It had fishing pole racks!
Anyway, he didn't have padles. Just some dirt tires. He was VERY afraid to get it stuck and so would only drive it on the flats.
I finally talked him into letting me take it for a spin and we went EVERYWHERE! He was amazed! I told him, "Hell, you just gotta pick your line!"
We didn't make a couple of hills, no biggie, we turned out and tried it again. Never got stuck!
I've duned my MANX with street tires. Stock SP 1600 and broken shocks. Could I go everywhere? NO.. but I went alot of places and had a ball!
My buggy has a very nice 1915cc VW motor that kicks ass, but I'm stock all the way around. I have to be VERY careful about dips and bumps and such or yes, it will break. But I can pull the turnbrake while going fullspeed up hill, charge back down hill and then spin it around again.
I hate whoops, though!
Yeah, i also upgraded from a bug trans to a 002 bus, Thing was I never even broke the tranny intill my older brother got ahold of it
When i'm in our rail alone i can go any where in Florence. I can feel our motor is a little old but it still scoots! and I dont have to worry about bottoming out much cause we are 24-26degree's of angle on type 2 cv's with no binding at all. (stock trailing arms, soon 3x3's)
When i'm in our rail alone i can go any where in Florence. I can feel our motor is a little old but it still scoots! and I dont have to worry about bottoming out much cause we are 24-26degree's of angle on type 2 cv's with no binding at all. (stock trailing arms, soon 3x3's)
it is all the driver
whoops kill unless your in the new Gen 4..
Well put king.. Im still new to driving the buggies but its coing along good. Learning the car now and how to work with her vs fighting her.. Last time out was a BLAST!!! hmm lets see. that was oh.. 3 weeks ago!!
Well put king.. Im still new to driving the buggies but its coing along good. Learning the car now and how to work with her vs fighting her.. Last time out was a BLAST!!! hmm lets see. that was oh.. 3 weeks ago!!
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| whoops kill unless your in the new Gen 4.. :D Well put king.. Im still new to driving the buggies but its coing along good. Learning the car now and how to work with her vs fighting her.. Last time out was a BLAST!!! hmm lets see. that was oh.. 3 weeks ago!! :D |
WWOOWWW! :shock: :shock: I NEW IT WOULDN'T LAST!
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| whoops kill unless your in the new Gen 4.. :D |
Funny thing is, when I was shopping around, some of the other buggy builders and a few people questioned the handling of the Funco in the whoops.
I agree with KG. Being fairly new to the dunes, I bought a long travel to help with my inexperience. After 2 seasons, I still had a hard time keeping up on the fast rides. Nothing can replace seat time, no matter what it is your driving. Can't wait till I can rip around like the oldtimers.
Definitely it's the driver that makes the car perform to its potential. Last May I got involved in the 24hours of le fud. I was one of six drivers to dive a fully modified long travel pilot (true it isn't a rail but close). We had two veteran stadium lite racers, three average drivers with a lot of seat time and one driver with a lot of seat time but not driven this type of car in 11 years (me). One of the benefits of the 24 hour endurance race was that we timed every lap that each drive did, this helped out in logistics (time to fuel up and driver change). It showed that the guys that raced consistently had 1 minute of time up on the guys with a lot of seat time. My skills came right back after the first tumble of the car, just like riding a bike*.
Now a minute is a long time in a race. It shows that the race drivers new what and how the car can be used to its full potential and most benefit their skills as a driver. For the rest of us we chose which line felt most comfortable to us not sure of what the car can or cannot do. Chock it up to experience, there is no better teacher.
* For those who know me, I guess I left this wide open for the jokes.
Now a minute is a long time in a race. It shows that the race drivers new what and how the car can be used to its full potential and most benefit their skills as a driver. For the rest of us we chose which line felt most comfortable to us not sure of what the car can or cannot do. Chock it up to experience, there is no better teacher.
* For those who know me, I guess I left this wide open for the jokes.
The biggest factor should be how your buggy handles a cartwheel and rollover :rollsmile: :black: :mrgreen:
I'm thinking this is an OLD topic that should be brought back to life. I still feel the same as I did when this thread started. 
still holds true, it is the drive for the most part, and some buggies make so-so drivers look better than they actually are...there are some drivers out there that can drive anything, and then there are others, put them in a car not their own, of different manufacture and they are clueless....
a good driver makes anything look smooth and easy.IMO.I havent driven a buggy yet in the dunes getting my first one finished soon though.
When i do i plan to take it to pismo to learn how it works out(i have driven my trucks in the dunes and never a prob getting stuck)But i aint that good picking lines with my three wheelr cause it can never get me stuck.
I can drive the hell out of boats though flats,jets,little hydro time too,as well as my lake cruiser but been drivin them for 20 years
When i do i plan to take it to pismo to learn how it works out(i have driven my trucks in the dunes and never a prob getting stuck)But i aint that good picking lines with my three wheelr cause it can never get me stuck.
I can drive the hell out of boats though
flats,jets,little hydro time too,as well as my lake cruiser but been drivin them for 20 years
Very true indeed. Put Jeremy McGrath on 79 RM250 and he would probably still spank most people on brand new bikes.
You guys are kidding right??? A DRIVER making the difference????
Only one thing to say.....
Only one thing to say.....
I agree. I had a lot of fun in a low slung no travel buggy following quads through the bowels. It will make you a better driver, in my opinion, when you try and follow something/someone who can turn shorter and faster than you can. It "makes" you think quickly, looking for the next line to avoid getting stuck and getting left behind. At night it's even better. 
QUOTE(KingGlamis @ Sep 10 2003, 06:14 PM)
The driver. We could and likely will debate for years what buggy works best, who prefers what, etc. That is all good, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But a good driver/duner can go fast in nearly any buggy. It just takes an adjustment of their driving style to compensate for the particular handling characteristics of the buggy they are driving.
For example:
A buggy that pushes/understeers badly can still be driven fast, albeit with a little more effort, by learning to chop the throttle at just the right point to load the front tires before a turn, then getting back on the throttle "just right." (picture an Indy car with 6" wide front tires)
A buggy that is loose/oversteers can be driven fast with careful steering input and throttle control. (picture an Indy car with 6" wide rear tires)
Another example:
A good driver in a low-slung standard-travel rail can pick a line that many, if not most, long-travel buggies could not possibly follow. But this driver has to PICK that line carefully to avoid breaking the car in two. He is adjusting his driving style to cater to his buggy.
But a similarly skilled driver in a long-travel buggy could pick a line that the standard-travel guy could not follow. But this driver has also created his driving style according to his own buggy. You most likely won't find him spinning 360s across the side of a bowl like the standard-travel guy likes to do. But you might find him powering through whoops without a thought because his car can do it.
Final answer? Buggies can and do handle very differently, but a good driver can make all the difference in the world.
Do you agree?
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For example:
A buggy that pushes/understeers badly can still be driven fast, albeit with a little more effort, by learning to chop the throttle at just the right point to load the front tires before a turn, then getting back on the throttle "just right." (picture an Indy car with 6" wide front tires)
A buggy that is loose/oversteers can be driven fast with careful steering input and throttle control. (picture an Indy car with 6" wide rear tires)
Another example:
A good driver in a low-slung standard-travel rail can pick a line that many, if not most, long-travel buggies could not possibly follow. But this driver has to PICK that line carefully to avoid breaking the car in two. He is adjusting his driving style to cater to his buggy.
But a similarly skilled driver in a long-travel buggy could pick a line that the standard-travel guy could not follow. But this driver has also created his driving style according to his own buggy. You most likely won't find him spinning 360s across the side of a bowl like the standard-travel guy likes to do. But you might find him powering through whoops without a thought because his car can do it.
Final answer? Buggies can and do handle very differently, but a good driver can make all the difference in the world.
Do you agree?
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QUOTE(mvanweer @ Apr 27 2005, 11:13 AM)
You guys are kidding right??? A DRIVER making the difference????
Only one thing to say.....
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Only one thing to say.....
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yes, its clear that the driver makes a difference...
...but even the best driver can not make a poorly designed car better
take a look at this video: HIturtle @ Coral Pink
we are following a Quad (my bro is leading) and we are not going crazy fast...but its the very first time HIturtle is driving his new buggy
... and he never had another buggy before 
if the car is designed right and reacts to driver input predictable (like a good sportscar should) its easy to get used to it even for a complete beginner
i dont want to say that our buggy is better then any other buggy and i know that this statement is true for other cars too ( like the Funcos for example
)
those dunes look really fun would love to go there in the summertime.
QUOTE(Sm0k3d @ Sep 10 2003, 06:21 PM)
i can power through the whoops 3rd gear in my standerd travel buggy, and it's quite smooth.
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Yes I can do that to in my standard travel buggy but try slowing down while you are in the whoops...
drivers most important, like a 225lb grown man smoking the group on his wifes blaster
Yes, it's the driver...
(A Funco helps)
(A Funco helps)
QUOTE(spooner @ Apr 27 2005, 01:02 PM)
yes, its clear that the driver makes a difference...
...but even the best driver can not make a poorly designed car better
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The driver can't make the "car" better, but a good driver can dune the same line as your V8Rail at the same speed, even in a car that handles like crap (assuming he has enough power of course). Ever heard of turning brakes? Ever ridden with someone that is a master at using turning brakes? I'm not a master at turning brakes, probably just average, but I have ridden with several guys that could work a turning brake like you wouldn't believe.
I know Spooner, don't bother saying it... "Your V8Rails don't have turning brakes and don't need them. Turning brakes are a crutch for a poor handling car." Heard it before, don't need to hear it again.
I think you miss the point sometimes... If a guy can keep up with a great handling buggy in a poor handling buggy, by adapting his driving style to the buggy he is in, then "HE" is a good driver.
This thread was never intended to compare different buggies.
THE biggest factor in buggy handling is the steering wheel..
Have you ever tried to steer a car with a pair of visegrips? Sucks man.
Have you ever tried to steer a car with a pair of visegrips? Sucks man.
QUOTE(KingGlamis @ Sep 10 2003, 06:14 PM)
The driver. We could and likely will debate for years what buggy works best, who prefers what, etc. That is all good, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But a good driver/duner can go fast in nearly any buggy. It just takes an adjustment of their driving style to compensate for the particular handling characteristics of the buggy they are driving.
For example:
A buggy that pushes/understeers badly can still be driven fast, albeit with a little more effort, by learning to chop the throttle at just the right point to load the front tires before a turn, then getting back on the throttle "just right." (picture an Indy car with 6" wide front tires)
A buggy that is loose/oversteers can be driven fast with careful steering input and throttle control. (picture an Indy car with 6" wide rear tires)
Another example:
A good driver in a low-slung standard-travel rail can pick a line that many, if not most, long-travel buggies could not possibly follow. But this driver has to PICK that line carefully to avoid breaking the car in two. He is adjusting his driving style to cater to his buggy.
But a similarly skilled driver in a long-travel buggy could pick a line that the standard-travel guy could not follow. But this driver has also created his driving style according to his own buggy. You most likely won't find him spinning 360s across the side of a bowl like the standard-travel guy likes to do. But you might find him powering through whoops without a thought because his car can do it.
Final answer? Buggies can and do handle very differently, but a good driver can make all the difference in the world.
Do you agree?
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For example:
A buggy that pushes/understeers badly can still be driven fast, albeit with a little more effort, by learning to chop the throttle at just the right point to load the front tires before a turn, then getting back on the throttle "just right." (picture an Indy car with 6" wide front tires)
A buggy that is loose/oversteers can be driven fast with careful steering input and throttle control. (picture an Indy car with 6" wide rear tires)
Another example:
A good driver in a low-slung standard-travel rail can pick a line that many, if not most, long-travel buggies could not possibly follow. But this driver has to PICK that line carefully to avoid breaking the car in two. He is adjusting his driving style to cater to his buggy.
But a similarly skilled driver in a long-travel buggy could pick a line that the standard-travel guy could not follow. But this driver has also created his driving style according to his own buggy. You most likely won't find him spinning 360s across the side of a bowl like the standard-travel guy likes to do. But you might find him powering through whoops without a thought because his car can do it.
Final answer? Buggies can and do handle very differently, but a good driver can make all the difference in the world.
Do you agree?
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Still couldn't lose me though!
QUOTE(Mr. LV @ Apr 27 2005, 08:22 PM)
QUOTE(KingGlamis @ Sep 10 2003, 06:14 PM)
The driver. We could and likely will debate for years what buggy works best, who prefers what, etc. That is all good, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But a good driver/duner can go fast in nearly any buggy. It just takes an adjustment of their driving style to compensate for the particular handling characteristics of the buggy they are driving.
For example:
A buggy that pushes/understeers badly can still be driven fast, albeit with a little more effort, by learning to chop the throttle at just the right point to load the front tires before a turn, then getting back on the throttle "just right." (picture an Indy car with 6" wide front tires)
A buggy that is loose/oversteers can be driven fast with careful steering input and throttle control. (picture an Indy car with 6" wide rear tires)
Another example:
A good driver in a low-slung standard-travel rail can pick a line that many, if not most, long-travel buggies could not possibly follow. But this driver has to PICK that line carefully to avoid breaking the car in two. He is adjusting his driving style to cater to his buggy.
But a similarly skilled driver in a long-travel buggy could pick a line that the standard-travel guy could not follow. But this driver has also created his driving style according to his own buggy. You most likely won't find him spinning 360s across the side of a bowl like the standard-travel guy likes to do. But you might find him powering through whoops without a thought because his car can do it.
Final answer? Buggies can and do handle very differently, but a good driver can make all the difference in the world.
Do you agree?
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For example:
A buggy that pushes/understeers badly can still be driven fast, albeit with a little more effort, by learning to chop the throttle at just the right point to load the front tires before a turn, then getting back on the throttle "just right." (picture an Indy car with 6" wide front tires)
A buggy that is loose/oversteers can be driven fast with careful steering input and throttle control. (picture an Indy car with 6" wide rear tires)
Another example:
A good driver in a low-slung standard-travel rail can pick a line that many, if not most, long-travel buggies could not possibly follow. But this driver has to PICK that line carefully to avoid breaking the car in two. He is adjusting his driving style to cater to his buggy.
But a similarly skilled driver in a long-travel buggy could pick a line that the standard-travel guy could not follow. But this driver has also created his driving style according to his own buggy. You most likely won't find him spinning 360s across the side of a bowl like the standard-travel guy likes to do. But you might find him powering through whoops without a thought because his car can do it.
Final answer? Buggies can and do handle very differently, but a good driver can make all the difference in the world.
Do you agree?
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Still couldn't lose me though!
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HA!
I had to slow down about 10 times to wait up for your slow arse.
QUOTE(KingGlamis @ Apr 27 2005, 07:39 PM)
QUOTE(Mr. LV @ Apr 27 2005, 08:22 PM)
QUOTE(KingGlamis @ Sep 10 2003, 06:14 PM)
The driver. We could and likely will debate for years what buggy works best, who prefers what, etc. That is all good, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But a good driver/duner can go fast in nearly any buggy. It just takes an adjustment of their driving style to compensate for the particular handling characteristics of the buggy they are driving.
For example:
A buggy that pushes/understeers badly can still be driven fast, albeit with a little more effort, by learning to chop the throttle at just the right point to load the front tires before a turn, then getting back on the throttle "just right." (picture an Indy car with 6" wide front tires)
A buggy that is loose/oversteers can be driven fast with careful steering input and throttle control. (picture an Indy car with 6" wide rear tires)
Another example:
A good driver in a low-slung standard-travel rail can pick a line that many, if not most, long-travel buggies could not possibly follow. But this driver has to PICK that line carefully to avoid breaking the car in two. He is adjusting his driving style to cater to his buggy.
But a similarly skilled driver in a long-travel buggy could pick a line that the standard-travel guy could not follow. But this driver has also created his driving style according to his own buggy. You most likely won't find him spinning 360s across the side of a bowl like the standard-travel guy likes to do. But you might find him powering through whoops without a thought because his car can do it.
Final answer? Buggies can and do handle very differently, but a good driver can make all the difference in the world.
Do you agree?
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For example:
A buggy that pushes/understeers badly can still be driven fast, albeit with a little more effort, by learning to chop the throttle at just the right point to load the front tires before a turn, then getting back on the throttle "just right." (picture an Indy car with 6" wide front tires)
A buggy that is loose/oversteers can be driven fast with careful steering input and throttle control. (picture an Indy car with 6" wide rear tires)
Another example:
A good driver in a low-slung standard-travel rail can pick a line that many, if not most, long-travel buggies could not possibly follow. But this driver has to PICK that line carefully to avoid breaking the car in two. He is adjusting his driving style to cater to his buggy.
But a similarly skilled driver in a long-travel buggy could pick a line that the standard-travel guy could not follow. But this driver has also created his driving style according to his own buggy. You most likely won't find him spinning 360s across the side of a bowl like the standard-travel guy likes to do. But you might find him powering through whoops without a thought because his car can do it.
Final answer? Buggies can and do handle very differently, but a good driver can make all the difference in the world.
Do you agree?
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Still couldn't lose me though!
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HA!
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WHAT EVER!!!!! I was drinking a cappuchino and reading a novel, when I was following you on your turtle ride!!!
QUOTE(Chummin @ Apr 27 2005, 07:22 PM)
THE biggest factor in buggy handling is the steering wheel..
Have you ever tried to steer a car with a pair of visegrips? Sucks man.
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Have you ever tried to steer a car with a pair of visegrips? Sucks man.
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Yes, as a matter of fact, I have steered with vice grips...
(Steering shaft sheared off) And no, not the Funco..
QUOTE(JDMeister @ Apr 27 2005, 08:50 PM)
QUOTE(Chummin @ Apr 27 2005, 07:22 PM)
THE biggest factor in buggy handling is the steering wheel..
Have you ever tried to steer a car with a pair of visegrips? Sucks man.
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Have you ever tried to steer a car with a pair of visegrips? Sucks man.
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Yes, as a matter of fact, I have steered with vice grips...
(Steering shaft sheared off) And no, not the Funco..
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Then you know first hand. I had to drive my bug home one day in traffic like that.. was not pretty - but I got home.
Hahahahaha, LMAO! That's gotta be ulgy!
QUOTE(Chummin @ Apr 27 2005, 07:22 PM)
THE biggest factor in buggy handling is the steering wheel..
Have you ever tried to steer a car with a pair of visegrips? Sucks man.
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Have you ever tried to steer a car with a pair of visegrips? Sucks man.
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QUOTE(Sandzilla @ Apr 27 2005, 08:02 PM)
Hahahahaha, LMAO! That's gotta be ulgy!
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QUOTE(Chummin @ Apr 27 2005, 07:22 PM)
THE biggest factor in buggy handling is the steering wheel..
Have you ever tried to steer a car with a pair of visegrips? Sucks man.
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Have you ever tried to steer a car with a pair of visegrips? Sucks man.
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Welcome to sandrail tech SandZilla! It's alot of fun. Make sure you have your
summer's coming and you need it some days in here. Helpful hint, NEVER EVER ask for a pic of your buggy at the drags.
And to add to the thread, I am very fortunate to have married the best driver out there.
Mr. LV, you are a slow ass biatch and you know it.
You may beat us up the hill and thru the whoops, but lets go duning and see what's up. 
Oh and another thing, never ask the photochop masters here to add graphics to your buggy.
Did someone say graphics, Ohhhhh Sandfan, you assistance is needed
QUOTE(KingGlamis @ Apr 27 2005, 07:19 PM)
I think you miss the point sometimes... If a guy can keep up with a great handling buggy in a poor handling buggy, by adapting his driving style to the buggy he is in, then "HE" is a good driver.
so you are saying a good driver could win NASCAR in a Yugo .... man get real
QUOTE(KingGlamis @ Apr 27 2005, 07:19 PM)
This thread was never intended to compare different buggies.
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that was never the intend.
BTW I'm sure Justin builds better cars then you are selling here ... you get my point
So all this being said, where do most of you guys think that a "good driver" would best be developed?
Karting?
Road racing?
Off-road racing?
Circle tracks?
Figger 8 racin at the fairgraounds?
Just lots of practice?
Rock climbing?
Mountain biking?
Playstation?
"Ivan Stewart's Off Road Challenge?"
Where does a driver's skills get quantified and raised a notch or three.
Carl
Karting?
Road racing?
Off-road racing?
Circle tracks?
Figger 8 racin at the fairgraounds?
Just lots of practice?
Rock climbing?
Mountain biking?
Playstation?
"Ivan Stewart's Off Road Challenge?"
Where does a driver's skills get quantified and raised a notch or three.
Carl
QUOTE(Carl P @ Apr 28 2005, 06:43 AM)
So all this being said, where do most of you guys think that a "good driver" would best be developed?
Karting?
Road racing?
Off-road racing?
Circle tracks?
Figger 8 racin at the fairgraounds?
Just lots of practice?
Rock climbing?
Mountain biking?
Playstation?
"Ivan Stewart's Off Road Challenge?"
Where does a driver's skills get quantified and raised a notch or three.
Carl
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Karting?
Road racing?
Off-road racing?
Circle tracks?
Figger 8 racin at the fairgraounds?
Just lots of practice?
Rock climbing?
Mountain biking?
Playstation?
"Ivan Stewart's Off Road Challenge?"
Where does a driver's skills get quantified and raised a notch or three.
Carl
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Since we are talking about driving in the dunes, I would say duning is the best practice for duning.
I would stack my 16 year old son Chad,against anyone in the dunes. Including his dad and uncle.
He is flat out fast and smooth.
Where did he develop his talent? The Dunes
He is flat out fast and smooth.
Where did he develop his talent? The Dunes
Since we are talking about driving in the dunes, I would say duning is the best practice for duning.
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Alrighty then. Where does he get the explanation of vehicle dynamics and how to use them to his advantage?
Just practice?
I would say that anywhere else is a great place to get some experience.
My backing for this opinion is Jimmy Johnson and Robby Gordon, Tony Stewart, And that Alonso kid in F1.
The old school NASCAR guys would say that you have to grow up in the lower ranks of the Southern U.S. to be any good at the roundy round stuff. Most used to come from the open wheel stuff, like Tony Stewart. Who now does time in the ALS series to hone his skills in the NASCAR stuff.
Now the young guns are getting their experience anywhere BUT NASCAR!
Most open wheel guys now come from the Karting ranks exclusively. Great place that karting thing. Did a couple of seasons there myself. I learned alot.
So in summary, I'd recommend anywhere but duning to get familiar with what the car tells you and to know what to do when it talks to you.
And some duning thrown in for fun.
Any thoughts? (He asks knowingly...)
Carl
QUOTE(Carl P @ Apr 28 2005, 07:39 AM)
Alrighty then. Where does he get the explanation of vehicle dynamics and how to use them to his advantage?
Just practice?
I would say that anywhere else is a great place to get some experience.
My backing for this opinion is Jimmy Johnson and Robby Gordon, Tony Stewart, And that Alonso kid in F1.
The old school NASCAR guys would say that you have to grow up in the lower ranks of the Southern U.S. to be any good at the roundy round stuff. Most used to come from the open wheel stuff, like Tony Stewart. Who now does time in the ALS series to hone his skills in the NASCAR stuff.
Now the young guns are getting their experience anywhere BUT NASCAR!
Most open wheel guys now come from the Karting ranks exclusively. Great place that karting thing. Did a couple of seasons there myself. I learned alot.
So in summary, I'd recommend anywhere but duning to get familiar with what the car tells you and to know what to do when it talks to you.
And some duning thrown in for fun.
Any thoughts? (He asks knowingly...)
Carl
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Just practice?
I would say that anywhere else is a great place to get some experience.
My backing for this opinion is Jimmy Johnson and Robby Gordon, Tony Stewart, And that Alonso kid in F1.
The old school NASCAR guys would say that you have to grow up in the lower ranks of the Southern U.S. to be any good at the roundy round stuff. Most used to come from the open wheel stuff, like Tony Stewart. Who now does time in the ALS series to hone his skills in the NASCAR stuff.
Now the young guns are getting their experience anywhere BUT NASCAR!
Most open wheel guys now come from the Karting ranks exclusively. Great place that karting thing. Did a couple of seasons there myself. I learned alot.
So in summary, I'd recommend anywhere but duning to get familiar with what the car tells you and to know what to do when it talks to you.
And some duning thrown in for fun.
Any thoughts? (He asks knowingly...)
Carl
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Carl,
you got that wrong KG is the best learned that as pitmonkey for his daddy in a off road racing subdivision
just messing with your ego KG seriously, Carl I agree 100%. the best drivers I ever have seen know exactly what the car does and how to improve their combination. They also can run any style of race car and win in any division in a competitive vehicle. But even the best of them can not win with a bad car ....
edit for fixing the quote
You guys are getting off track here... I wasn't talking about race car drivers. I was talking about duning. How many average duners can afford to have a buggy, and a race kart, and a roundy round car, etc?
Most race drivers are very talented. Some of them would probably be good duners too.
But if you only have a limited amount of time and money, as most of us do, and you want to be good duner, you should probably practice duning.
Most race drivers are very talented. Some of them would probably be good duners too.
But if you only have a limited amount of time and money, as most of us do, and you want to be good duner, you should probably practice duning.
QUOTE(KingGlamis @ Apr 28 2005, 08:24 AM)
You guys are getting off track here... I wasn't talking about race car drivers. I was talking about duning. How many average duners can afford to have a buggy, and a race kart, and a roundy round car, etc?
Most race drivers are very talented. Some of them would probably be good duners too.
But if you only have a limited amount of time and money, as most of us do, and you want to be good duner, you should probably practice duning.
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Most race drivers are very talented. Some of them would probably be good duners too.
But if you only have a limited amount of time and money, as most of us do, and you want to be good duner, you should probably practice duning.
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yes Doug
but you missed my point with HIturtles story: i think a car should be built in a way that you dont have to be a race car driver to drive it
after all duning is not a race and there is nothing to win out there.....its all about having as much fun as possible
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