Full Version: Joyner Buggies Any Good?
Looking to buy 2 seater with 1600cc any problem with them specialy transaxle or any thing alse?thanks for any info
Octillo Boy was gonna buy one but it was out of his price range, so he settled for a buggy works instead.
J/K! Don't bother with a Joyner, there's a lot better built stuff out there for the money. Don't put the most valuable people in your life (your family) int osomething that's not strond enough to keep them safe in an unforseen event.
Give us an idea of what you're looking for (2 or 4 seater, engine preferences, budget) and how you like to drive and maybe we can suggest some safe, good handling rails in that price range.
J/K! Don't bother with a Joyner, there's a lot better built stuff out there for the money. Don't put the most valuable people in your life (your family) int osomething that's not strond enough to keep them safe in an unforseen event.
Give us an idea of what you're looking for (2 or 4 seater, engine preferences, budget) and how you like to drive and maybe we can suggest some safe, good handling rails in that price range.
For the love God and all that is holly,
dont throw your money away on a junker Ooops! I Mean "Joyner"...
Be very carfull and back away from the thought of buying that Crap!!! Although sandrails have a stiff price tag, buy from an actual fabricater that you can talk with and tell them what you want
in your build. Over the past few years the owner of Joyner has taken copies of sand cars ond had them built over sea's buy people that have never even seen a sand dune let a lone navigated through them. with an average price of around $20,000.00 i can think of many better options than a "Joyner"...
Look into a Sand bullet, Tom Pro, etc. you'll be much happier in the long run. I should also add that I am a fabricator for a local builder out of Corona Ca. . I won't mention the name out of respect for not trying to sway you to buy one of our rails and using this thread for a sales pitch... I would rather see you in the dunes driving a beam car than a Joyner any day of the week and twice on sunday. With respect for the fact that i don't know your back ground as far as the dunes go, you could purchase 2 or 3 excelent Quads and a trailer to haul them with for less than the price of a Joyner and not have any worries other than the normal maintinance. over the years i have come to see that people that just go out and buy a cheap sand car are usually not happy with the purchase ( Generally mass made products like Joyner). some people assume that, like the bigger sand cars , they to can jump, take the whoops at 60 mph, and abuse these cars.
THEY JUST WONT HOLD UP TO THE TASK Far too many days have sat at the bottom of Oldsmobile hill and witnessed bent frames and cracked welds on those immitation sand cars
hope I helped a bit DUNE SAFE AND DUNE HAPPY
dont throw your money away on a junker Ooops! I Mean "Joyner"...
Be very carfull and back away from the thought of buying that Crap!!! Although sandrails have a stiff price tag, buy from an actual fabricater that you can talk with and tell them what you want
in your build. Over the past few years the owner of Joyner has taken copies of sand cars ond had them built over sea's buy people that have never even seen a sand dune let a lone navigated through them. with an average price of around $20,000.00 i can think of many better options than a "Joyner"...
Look into a Sand bullet, Tom Pro, etc. you'll be much happier in the long run. I should also add that I am a fabricator for a local builder out of Corona Ca. . I won't mention the name out of respect for not trying to sway you to buy one of our rails and using this thread for a sales pitch... I would rather see you in the dunes driving a beam car than a Joyner any day of the week and twice on sunday. With respect for the fact that i don't know your back ground as far as the dunes go, you could purchase 2 or 3 excelent Quads and a trailer to haul them with for less than the price of a Joyner and not have any worries other than the normal maintinance. over the years i have come to see that people that just go out and buy a cheap sand car are usually not happy with the purchase ( Generally mass made products like Joyner). some people assume that, like the bigger sand cars , they to can jump, take the whoops at 60 mph, and abuse these cars.
THEY JUST WONT HOLD UP TO THE TASK Far too many days have sat at the bottom of Oldsmobile hill and witnessed bent frames and cracked welds on those immitation sand cars
hope I helped a bit DUNE SAFE AND DUNE HAPPY
Click to view attachment I just sold my 2007 TOYZ 4 BIG BOYZ for $16,000.00. It had only a few trips on it and it was like brand new! you would be much better off with this than a joyner.faster,safer,reliable and last but not least respectable as well as sellable when that time comes!!!!!!! glamis is a long ride to just get towed back to camp.......dont buy a joyner.
Well, Im gonna chime in here, having a deposit on a Joyner 2000cc...
First of all, they are not $20,000. I am paying 17,000 for a long travel rear engine 2000cc car with 6 spot lights, 3-stage shocks, turning brakes, etc and that is top of the line until you get to V8 Joyners. I priced EVERY other builder and most of them are in the $ 30,000 and up range.
And some of them have USED ENGINES give me a break !!!
The blue used unit pictured in the post above does not have long travel.
I understand the tubing and weld quality issues, but $ 10,000 buys a lot of welding reinforcement. I also understand that a 2 litre engine isnt going to scream up Olds. But my $ 17,000 Rhino didint either.
As for component breakage, Ive seen dozens of $ 60,000 sand cars broken at Glamis. End of story. I dont jump or race.
Safety ? Not provable. No statistics to make the claim. These are all unsafe vehicles. A head on between a Funco and a Joyner might actually favor the Joyner due to weight and crushability.
Patriotism isnt an issue either. lets not be hypoctitical, everything is made overseas. Do you fly on an Airbus ? Buy at Wal Mart ? Buy any electronics ? Buy gasoline ? I thought so.
So, we shall see. Maybe Im gonna learn a sad lesson. I iwll post it here first !!!
First of all, they are not $20,000. I am paying 17,000 for a long travel rear engine 2000cc car with 6 spot lights, 3-stage shocks, turning brakes, etc and that is top of the line until you get to V8 Joyners. I priced EVERY other builder and most of them are in the $ 30,000 and up range.
And some of them have USED ENGINES give me a break !!!
The blue used unit pictured in the post above does not have long travel.
I understand the tubing and weld quality issues, but $ 10,000 buys a lot of welding reinforcement. I also understand that a 2 litre engine isnt going to scream up Olds. But my $ 17,000 Rhino didint either.
As for component breakage, Ive seen dozens of $ 60,000 sand cars broken at Glamis. End of story. I dont jump or race.
Safety ? Not provable. No statistics to make the claim. These are all unsafe vehicles. A head on between a Funco and a Joyner might actually favor the Joyner due to weight and crushability.
Patriotism isnt an issue either. lets not be hypoctitical, everything is made overseas. Do you fly on an Airbus ? Buy at Wal Mart ? Buy any electronics ? Buy gasoline ? I thought so.
So, we shall see. Maybe Im gonna learn a sad lesson. I iwll post it here first !!!
QUOTE(unclejay @ Oct 9 2007, 11:53 AM) 
So, we shall see. Maybe Im gonna learn a sad lesson. I iwll post it here first !!!
I just hope you are around to post it here.
In all honesty... a Joyner buggy is potentially no worse or better than any of the cars designed by the unknown or undesirable fabricators.
There is very little information as to what a buyer is purchasing... possibly very little quality control over the build... I for one have seen enough junk come out of China that I wouldn't put myself or my family/friends into the dangers of duning without going after the best possible safety equipment. For the price of a Joyner, one can purchase or build a decent rail and know what is going in to it.
Who knows... Joyners may be very well built, and be tough as nails... but I'm not gonna be in one to find out firsthand when the front end tucks and it rolls down a dune.
There is very little information as to what a buyer is purchasing... possibly very little quality control over the build... I for one have seen enough junk come out of China that I wouldn't put myself or my family/friends into the dangers of duning without going after the best possible safety equipment. For the price of a Joyner, one can purchase or build a decent rail and know what is going in to it.
Who knows... Joyners may be very well built, and be tough as nails... but I'm not gonna be in one to find out firsthand when the front end tucks and it rolls down a dune.
Joyner makes Go-Carts.
Anymore Engine CC's or Chassis Size than what is necessary for a Kids Go-Cart is a waste of money.
If $$ is an issue...build an MT Beam Sand Car w/ a VW motor.
Seems simple enough.
Anymore Engine CC's or Chassis Size than what is necessary for a Kids Go-Cart is a waste of money.
If $$ is an issue...build an MT Beam Sand Car w/ a VW motor.
Seems simple enough.
QUOTE(your basic sandrail @ Oct 9 2007, 11:56 AM)
QUOTE(unclejay @ Oct 9 2007, 11:53 AM)
So, we shall see. Maybe Im gonna learn a sad lesson. I iwll post it here first !!!
I just hope you are around to post it here.
no chit!!!!! I just dont think the money savings is worth the risk.
you gotta pay to play.........If you cant pay, dont play..........
I would say to save your money, wait a little longer. get something good from the start. or at least let other people "test" the joyners out first, see if they fall apart. You dont want to be the crash test dummy do you?
QUOTE(unclejay @ Oct 9 2007, 11:53 AM)
Well, Im gonna chime in here, having a deposit on a Joyner 2000cc...
First of all, they are not $20,000. I am paying 17,000 for a long travel rear engine 2000cc car with 6 spot lights, 3-stage shocks, turning brakes, etc and that is top of the line until you get to V8 Joyners. I priced EVERY other builder and most of them are in the $ 30,000 and up range.
And some of them have USED ENGINES give me a break !!!
The blue used unit pictured in the post above does not have long travel.
I understand the tubing and weld quality issues, but $ 10,000 buys a lot of welding reinforcement. I also understand that a 2 litre engine isnt going to scream up Olds. But my $ 17,000 Rhino didint either.
As for component breakage, Ive seen dozens of $ 60,000 sand cars broken at Glamis. End of story. I dont jump or race.
Safety ? Not provable. No statistics to make the claim. These are all unsafe vehicles. A head on between a Funco and a Joyner might actually favor the Joyner due to weight and crushability.
Patriotism isnt an issue either. lets not be hypoctitical, everything is made overseas. Do you fly on an Airbus ? Buy at Wal Mart ? Buy any electronics ? Buy gasoline ? I thought so.
So, we shall see. Maybe Im gonna learn a sad lesson. I iwll post it here first !!!
First of all, they are not $20,000. I am paying 17,000 for a long travel rear engine 2000cc car with 6 spot lights, 3-stage shocks, turning brakes, etc and that is top of the line until you get to V8 Joyners. I priced EVERY other builder and most of them are in the $ 30,000 and up range.
And some of them have USED ENGINES give me a break !!!
The blue used unit pictured in the post above does not have long travel.
I understand the tubing and weld quality issues, but $ 10,000 buys a lot of welding reinforcement. I also understand that a 2 litre engine isnt going to scream up Olds. But my $ 17,000 Rhino didint either.
As for component breakage, Ive seen dozens of $ 60,000 sand cars broken at Glamis. End of story. I dont jump or race.
Safety ? Not provable. No statistics to make the claim. These are all unsafe vehicles. A head on between a Funco and a Joyner might actually favor the Joyner due to weight and crushability.
Patriotism isnt an issue either. lets not be hypoctitical, everything is made overseas. Do you fly on an Airbus ? Buy at Wal Mart ? Buy any electronics ? Buy gasoline ? I thought so.
So, we shall see. Maybe Im gonna learn a sad lesson. I iwll post it here first !!!
It sounds like you have convinced yourself that it is the right thing to do. 17k buys you a decent used car in the classified section that will still be worth something close to that in a year if it is taken care of. Have you checked the resale of a Joyner? We camped next to a group that had bought 3 Joyners last season and by the end of day two, all 3 cars had been towed back to camp and did not move the rest of the trip. I never did go ask what happened but I could see that one had some front suspension busted up. I am one of the dummys who did not listen to others and bought two Chinese quads for the kids (from a Joyner dealer, same quality) so I speak from experience. Three trips out, both broke each trip. Yeah it was covered under warranty but makes for a long weekend at the dunes when the kids don't have anything to ride. Good luck my man.
QUOTE(unclejay @ Oct 9 2007, 11:53 AM)
Well, Im gonna chime in here, having a deposit on a Joyner 2000cc...
First of all, they are not $20,000. I am paying 17,000 for a long travel rear engine 2000cc car with 6 spot lights, 3-stage shocks, turning brakes, etc and that is top of the line until you get to V8 Joyners. I priced EVERY other builder and most of them are in the $ 30,000 and up range.
And some of them have USED ENGINES give me a break !!!
The blue used unit pictured in the post above does not have long travel.
I understand the tubing and weld quality issues, but $ 10,000 buys a lot of welding reinforcement. I also understand that a 2 litre engine isnt going to scream up Olds. But my $ 17,000 Rhino didint either.
As for component breakage, Ive seen dozens of $ 60,000 sand cars broken at Glamis. End of story. I dont jump or race.
Safety ? Not provable. No statistics to make the claim. These are all unsafe vehicles. A head on between a Funco and a Joyner might actually favor the Joyner due to weight and crushability.
Patriotism isnt an issue either. lets not be hypoctitical, everything is made overseas. Do you fly on an Airbus ? Buy at Wal Mart ? Buy any electronics ? Buy gasoline ? I thought so.
So, we shall see. Maybe Im gonna learn a sad lesson. I iwll post it here first !!!
First of all, they are not $20,000. I am paying 17,000 for a long travel rear engine 2000cc car with 6 spot lights, 3-stage shocks, turning brakes, etc and that is top of the line until you get to V8 Joyners. I priced EVERY other builder and most of them are in the $ 30,000 and up range.
And some of them have USED ENGINES give me a break !!!
The blue used unit pictured in the post above does not have long travel.
I understand the tubing and weld quality issues, but $ 10,000 buys a lot of welding reinforcement. I also understand that a 2 litre engine isnt going to scream up Olds. But my $ 17,000 Rhino didint either.
As for component breakage, Ive seen dozens of $ 60,000 sand cars broken at Glamis. End of story. I dont jump or race.
Safety ? Not provable. No statistics to make the claim. These are all unsafe vehicles. A head on between a Funco and a Joyner might actually favor the Joyner due to weight and crushability.
Patriotism isnt an issue either. lets not be hypoctitical, everything is made overseas. Do you fly on an Airbus ? Buy at Wal Mart ? Buy any electronics ? Buy gasoline ? I thought so.
So, we shall see. Maybe Im gonna learn a sad lesson. I iwll post it here first !!!
dude you are on crack. no offence.
I met a guy last year that had one of the 1600 cc Joyners. the way I met him was when I pulled him out of being stuck with my Rhino, met him again the next day, and then again the day after that. all under the same circumstances, him being stuck.. That thing is way too heavy and sunk like the Titanic..
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A head on between a Funco and a Joyner might actually favor the Joyner due to weight and crushability
Uh .............. OK
It's like being in high school all over again. You're not the shiat unless you have the lastest, greatest, most expensive stuff out there. Folks keep preaching about safety. I think safety depends on the circumstances. If you put your car on it's lid because you're driving like an idiot, then the safety issue isn't the car or how it's built, it's you. We have peeps in our group that have the high dollar sandcars and a few with Joyners and everyone is having a great time. Buy what you can afford and have fun.
QUOTE(charred1 @ Oct 10 2007, 01:55 PM)
It's like being in high school all over again. You're not the shiat unless you have the lastest, greatest, most expensive stuff out there. Folks keep preaching about safety. I think safety depends on the circumstances. If you put your car on it's lid because you're driving like an idiot, then the safety issue isn't the car or how it's built, it's you. We have peeps in our group that have the high dollar sandcars and a few with Joyners and everyone is having a great time. Buy what you can afford and have fun.
nothing wrong with only being able to afford a lower dollar car. I think that is actually a lot of peeps here's point. If you are going to spend 17k there is a lot more out there that would be better to buy for that price then a Joyner.in the end it is to each their own, but learn from others mistakes if you can.
QUOTE(charred1 @ Oct 10 2007, 01:55 PM)
It's like being in high school all over again. You're not the shiat unless you have the lastest, greatest, most expensive stuff out there. Folks keep preaching about safety. I think safety depends on the circumstances. If you put your car on it's lid because you're driving like an idiot, then the safety issue isn't the car or how it's built, it's you. We have peeps in our group that have the high dollar sandcars and a few with Joyners and everyone is having a great time. Buy what you can afford and have fun.
Nobodys telling the guy to buy the "latest and greatest" actually people are suggesting buying a QUALITY used mid travel car...............in the end I agree its all about having fun, but how much fun is gonna be sitting in camp all weekend long while your buddies are off riding???? or is it gonna be fun sitting in the hospital when that "buggy" folds up and injures you and/or your passengers????
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Oct 10 2007, 02:00 PM)
QUOTE(charred1 @ Oct 10 2007, 01:55 PM)
It's like being in high school all over again. You're not the shiat unless you have the lastest, greatest, most expensive stuff out there. Folks keep preaching about safety. I think safety depends on the circumstances. If you put your car on it's lid because you're driving like an idiot, then the safety issue isn't the car or how it's built, it's you. We have peeps in our group that have the high dollar sandcars and a few with Joyners and everyone is having a great time. Buy what you can afford and have fun.
nothing wrong with only being able to afford a lower dollar car. I think that is actually a lot of peeps here's point. If you are going to spend 17k there is a lot more out there that would be better to buy for that price then a Joyner.in the end it is to each their own, but learn from others mistakes if you can.
wurd. take ur 17k and go get a v-dub thumper that will eat a joyner for lunch any day and probably have some chrome on it to boot!
You can get a brand new Toyz For Big Boyz VW powered 4 seater rail that runs great and rides great with excellent service, good and safe design, for $17K.
I've seen a few of them in the dunes and they always impress the hell out of me. They haul ass and ride a lot better than you would think. After seeing them driven hard with no breakage, I'm convinced they're a helluva deal.
I've seen a few of them in the dunes and they always impress the hell out of me. They haul ass and ride a lot better than you would think. After seeing them driven hard with no breakage, I'm convinced they're a helluva deal.
Prowlers also make affordable, well built Hi-jumper entry level buggies. I had a Prowlers Sand Sprite 6, a arm front end.
Nobodys even mentioned the potential lead poisoning from the powder coat! Seriously though, buy a good used
car . Maybe you wont be able to tell all your friends you have a long travel car, but theres not alot you cant do
with a properly set up beam car. Besides, I cant even imagine how hard it would be to sell a used Chinese rail.
Can you say Yugo?
car . Maybe you wont be able to tell all your friends you have a long travel car, but theres not alot you cant do
with a properly set up beam car. Besides, I cant even imagine how hard it would be to sell a used Chinese rail.
Can you say Yugo?
QUOTE(dtm @ Oct 10 2007, 02:03 PM)
QUOTE(charred1 @ Oct 10 2007, 01:55 PM)
It's like being in high school all over again. You're not the shiat unless you have the lastest, greatest, most expensive stuff out there. Folks keep preaching about safety. I think safety depends on the circumstances. If you put your car on it's lid because you're driving like an idiot, then the safety issue isn't the car or how it's built, it's you. We have peeps in our group that have the high dollar sandcars and a few with Joyners and everyone is having a great time. Buy what you can afford and have fun.
Nobodys telling the guy to buy the "latest and greatest" actually people are suggesting buying a QUALITY used mid travel car...............in the end I agree its all about having fun, but how much fun is gonna be sitting in camp all weekend long while your buddies are off riding???? or is it gonna be fun sitting in the hospital when that "buggy" folds up and injures you and/or your passengers????
I see your point. However, I am not going to talk a duner out of buying something when I know nothing about it. It seems like a lot of peeps have opinions about the Joyner or Chinese sand cars and they really have had no first hand experience with them. One guy said something along the lines of "a dude in a Joyner got stuck in the dunes and I pulled him out." Who hasn't got stuck? Peeps talk about reliability of these chinese cars. Do we truly know the reliability? I don't, and I'm not going to speculate. I think everyone who has been going to the dunes has had to sit in camp because their buggy, quad, or whatever broke. We had a starter go out in a brand new Extreme Performance sandcar this year. Did it suck? Absolutely. Have any of the Joyner's had problems in our group? You bet. As far as when a buggy folds up and injuries occur, I believe this can happen in any sandcar. Last year, wasn't it a Desert Dynamics sandcar that wrecked on the sand highway near wash 10 injuring, possibly killing, one of the passengers? And how about the injuries to the folks that had to be cut out of the wodded up Funco at Gecko Loop? Ultimately, it is up to each of us to know our own limits and the limits of what we are driving and consider that our actions, can and will, affect those around us. Be smart, be safe, and have fun!
QUOTE(charred1 @ Oct 10 2007, 06:21 PM)
Last year, wasn't it a Desert Dynamics sandcar that wrecked on the sand highway near wash 10 injuring, possibly killing, one of the passengers?
I dont quite remember that thread?
Can you provide more info?
QUOTE(charred1 @ Oct 10 2007, 06:21 PM)
QUOTE(dtm @ Oct 10 2007, 02:03 PM)
QUOTE(charred1 @ Oct 10 2007, 01:55 PM)
It's like being in high school all over again. You're not the shiat unless you have the lastest, greatest, most expensive stuff out there. Folks keep preaching about safety. I think safety depends on the circumstances. If you put your car on it's lid because you're driving like an idiot, then the safety issue isn't the car or how it's built, it's you. We have peeps in our group that have the high dollar sandcars and a few with Joyners and everyone is having a great time. Buy what you can afford and have fun.
Nobodys telling the guy to buy the "latest and greatest" actually people are suggesting buying a QUALITY used mid travel car...............in the end I agree its all about having fun, but how much fun is gonna be sitting in camp all weekend long while your buddies are off riding???? or is it gonna be fun sitting in the hospital when that "buggy" folds up and injures you and/or your passengers????
I see your point. However, I am not going to talk a duner out of buying something when I know nothing about it. It seems like a lot of peeps have opinions about the Joyner or Chinese sand cars and they really have had no first hand experience with them. One guy said something along the lines of "a dude in a Joyner got stuck in the dunes and I pulled him out." Who hasn't got stuck? Peeps talk about reliability of these chinese cars. Do we truly know the reliability? I don't, and I'm not going to speculate. I think everyone who has been going to the dunes has had to sit in camp because their buggy, quad, or whatever broke. We had a starter go out in a brand new Extreme Performance sandcar this year. Did it suck? Absolutely. Have any of the Joyner's had problems in our group? You bet. As far as when a buggy folds up and injuries occur, I believe this can happen in any sandcar. Last year, wasn't it a Desert Dynamics sandcar that wrecked on the sand highway near wash 10 injuring, possibly killing, one of the passengers? And how about the injuries to the folks that had to be cut out of the wodded up Funco at Gecko Loop? Ultimately, it is up to each of us to know our own limits and the limits of what we are driving and consider that our actions, can and will, affect those around us. Be smart, be safe, and have fun!
Check the original post. The author was asking for opinions from the peanut gallery. The peanut gallery responded with reasonable posts. I don't think one needs first hand experience by way of owning a Joyner to respond here. Even if the design is great (which it is not) the inferior fasteners, low grade materials and questionable welds that I have personally seen (while purchasing 2 chinese quads like a dummy from the Joyner dealer) turned me off to the idea of owning one. I knew the kids bikes were throw away products and I was out less than two grand if they fell apart (somehow it made sense to me then).
The fact that no Joyner owners have jumped in to defend the product says something as well.
"Educating and Stimulating the Minds of those who play in Glamis" is the mission statement. If I want to learn about anything sand related, this is where I come. Good, bad or otherwise I am going to read and appreciate what people here have to say. I already played the jackass and did not heed the warnings of others when it came to the cheap, chinese quads and it cost me a couple of grand. I can't imagine how it would feel to spend 17k to end up with the same result. So yeah, I am going to give my honest opinion to the brother humble enough to throw the question out there. Not trying to offend anyone, just sharing good info.
QUOTE(charred1 @ Oct 10 2007, 06:21 PM)
QUOTE(dtm @ Oct 10 2007, 02:03 PM)
QUOTE(charred1 @ Oct 10 2007, 01:55 PM)
It's like being in high school all over again. You're not the shiat unless you have the lastest, greatest, most expensive stuff out there. Folks keep preaching about safety. I think safety depends on the circumstances. If you put your car on it's lid because you're driving like an idiot, then the safety issue isn't the car or how it's built, it's you. We have peeps in our group that have the high dollar sandcars and a few with Joyners and everyone is having a great time. Buy what you can afford and have fun.
Nobodys telling the guy to buy the "latest and greatest" actually people are suggesting buying a QUALITY used mid travel car...............in the end I agree its all about having fun, but how much fun is gonna be sitting in camp all weekend long while your buddies are off riding???? or is it gonna be fun sitting in the hospital when that "buggy" folds up and injures you and/or your passengers????
I see your point. However, I am not going to talk a duner out of buying something when I know nothing about it. It seems like a lot of peeps have opinions about the Joyner or Chinese sand cars and they really have had no first hand experience with them. One guy said something along the lines of "a dude in a Joyner got stuck in the dunes and I pulled him out." Who hasn't got stuck? Peeps talk about reliability of these chinese cars. Do we truly know the reliability? I don't, and I'm not going to speculate. I think everyone who has been going to the dunes has had to sit in camp because their buggy, quad, or whatever broke. We had a starter go out in a brand new Extreme Performance sandcar this year. Did it suck? Absolutely. Have any of the Joyner's had problems in our group? You bet. As far as when a buggy folds up and injuries occur, I believe this can happen in any sandcar. Last year, wasn't it a Desert Dynamics sandcar that wrecked on the sand highway near wash 10 injuring, possibly killing, one of the passengers? And how about the injuries to the folks that had to be cut out of the wodded up Funco at Gecko Loop? Ultimately, it is up to each of us to know our own limits and the limits of what we are driving and consider that our actions, can and will, affect those around us. Be smart, be safe, and have fun!
well I have sort of first hand knowlegde of chinese crap. My buddy bought two chinese buggys, it wasnt even for the dunes. he just bought them to putt around on his property. cant remember how long ago, but I know it hasnt been a year. Anyway one of them has bent a-arms, and the other, the trans took a crap. whenever he needed parts it took damn near forever to get them.
yes, anyone can get killed or injured in any type of vehicle but, I would rather take my chances in a PROVEN, QUALITY car rather than some cheaply made chinese CRAP. wouldnt you?
Let me ask you a question,,,,,, Does buying one of these cheap chinese rails honestly sound like a good idea to you? Would you really feel comfortable putting your family and friends in one of these?
lookup the thread where Deanasaurus wrecked (I cant find it) that is a great example of a quality car. Honestly one of the many reasons I bought SCU. The wreck looked pretty gnarly, but the car was driven out of the dunes and (I think) he stayed a few more days and drove some more. Nobody was killed and I dont recall anyone having serious injuries........... I would hate to see what would have happend to a joyner car in that same situation..................
Deanasaurus, I hope you dont mind me using your situation as an example.
Deanasaurus, I hope you dont mind me using your situation as an example.
One doesn't have to be an engineer or welding inspector to see the obvious problems inherent in a Joyner rail. And those are just the visible problems, not to mention the possibility of poor quality metal, filler or poor penetration.
While I do agree that if one is going fast enough, one can seriously damage any chassis, I'm positive that there are a number of every well designed and built chassis out there that can soak up a good hit at 50 or 60 mph and keep on going without even slowing down.
Other rails would get turned into scrap metal trying to follow at those speeds. That is what separates well built and safe off road vehicles from dangerous toys. There's even a right and wrong way to install the 4 point harnesses, and the difference may very well mean life or death in a serious rollover or collision.
I know th echoices can make your head spin, and nobody is born with the knowledge. When I bought my rail, I brought a welder with over 20 yrs of experience with me to tell me what he thought of the chassis design and weld quality. There are enough knowledgable people here to get a good feel for which are the quality products.
While I do agree that if one is going fast enough, one can seriously damage any chassis, I'm positive that there are a number of every well designed and built chassis out there that can soak up a good hit at 50 or 60 mph and keep on going without even slowing down.
Other rails would get turned into scrap metal trying to follow at those speeds. That is what separates well built and safe off road vehicles from dangerous toys. There's even a right and wrong way to install the 4 point harnesses, and the difference may very well mean life or death in a serious rollover or collision.
I know th echoices can make your head spin, and nobody is born with the knowledge. When I bought my rail, I brought a welder with over 20 yrs of experience with me to tell me what he thought of the chassis design and weld quality. There are enough knowledgable people here to get a good feel for which are the quality products.
QUOTE(charred1 @ Oct 10 2007, 01:55 PM)
It's like being in high school all over again. You're not the shiat unless you have the lastest, greatest, most expensive stuff out there. Folks keep preaching about safety. I think safety depends on the circumstances. If you put your car on it's lid because you're driving like an idiot, then the safety issue isn't the car or how it's built, it's you. We have peeps in our group that have the high dollar sandcars and a few with Joyners and everyone is having a great time. Buy what you can afford and have fun.
My familys safety is far more important personally. Not all accidents are because you acting like a idiot and just beacuse a car goes on its lid doesnt mean squat. If Im driving my car and a kid comes out of nowhere im taking major evasive actions,if it mean I roll sobeit,not my first choice but better than hurting a child.
You roll a joiner you better have a good life insurance policy or long term disability policy ,you are going to need it.
Theres plenty of used good built cars out there for a what a new joiner costs, they may not be "new" or have long travel but niether will your coffin.
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Not for the timid or faint of heart, this 2-Seater buggy contains an 86 horsepower engine and is capable of speeds up to 85 miles per hour. The Joyner 1100 Sand Viper showcases a 4-speed manual transmission with reverse independent front and rear suspension and hydraulic disc brakes allowing riders to tackle the toughest terrain in comfort and safety
Sounds pretty scary if it really goes that fast. Probably 50-60 in the dunes.
Whoops. $3500 for an engine just from bottoming too hard or do like this guy did
http://www.buggynews.com/topic10448.html
5 minute Joyner vid.. Good music.
QUOTE(Wash11 @ Oct 10 2007, 07:55 PM)
QUOTE(charred1 @ Oct 10 2007, 06:21 PM)
QUOTE(dtm @ Oct 10 2007, 02:03 PM)
QUOTE(charred1 @ Oct 10 2007, 01:55 PM)
It's like being in high school all over again. You're not the shiat unless you have the lastest, greatest, most expensive stuff out there. Folks keep preaching about safety. I think safety depends on the circumstances. If you put your car on it's lid because you're driving like an idiot, then the safety issue isn't the car or how it's built, it's you. We have peeps in our group that have the high dollar sandcars and a few with Joyners and everyone is having a great time. Buy what you can afford and have fun.
Nobodys telling the guy to buy the "latest and greatest" actually people are suggesting buying a QUALITY used mid travel car...............in the end I agree its all about having fun, but how much fun is gonna be sitting in camp all weekend long while your buddies are off riding???? or is it gonna be fun sitting in the hospital when that "buggy" folds up and injures you and/or your passengers????
I see your point. However, I am not going to talk a duner out of buying something when I know nothing about it. It seems like a lot of peeps have opinions about the Joyner or Chinese sand cars and they really have had no first hand experience with them. One guy said something along the lines of "a dude in a Joyner got stuck in the dunes and I pulled him out." Who hasn't got stuck? Peeps talk about reliability of these chinese cars. Do we truly know the reliability? I don't, and I'm not going to speculate. I think everyone who has been going to the dunes has had to sit in camp because their buggy, quad, or whatever broke. We had a starter go out in a brand new Extreme Performance sandcar this year. Did it suck? Absolutely. Have any of the Joyner's had problems in our group? You bet. As far as when a buggy folds up and injuries occur, I believe this can happen in any sandcar. Last year, wasn't it a Desert Dynamics sandcar that wrecked on the sand highway near wash 10 injuring, possibly killing, one of the passengers? And how about the injuries to the folks that had to be cut out of the wodded up Funco at Gecko Loop? Ultimately, it is up to each of us to know our own limits and the limits of what we are driving and consider that our actions, can and will, affect those around us. Be smart, be safe, and have fun!
Check the original post. The author was asking for opinions from the peanut gallery. The peanut gallery responded with reasonable posts. I don't think one needs first hand experience by way of owning a Joyner to respond here. Even if the design is great (which it is not) the inferior fasteners, low grade materials and questionable welds that I have personally seen (while purchasing 2 chinese quads like a dummy from the Joyner dealer) turned me off to the idea of owning one. I knew the kids bikes were throw away products and I was out less than two grand if they fell apart (somehow it made sense to me then).
The fact that no Joyner owners have jumped in to defend the product says something as well.
"Educating and Stimulating the Minds of those who play in Glamis" is the mission statement. If I want to learn about anything sand related, this is where I come. Good, bad or otherwise I am going to read and appreciate what people here have to say. I already played the jackass and did not heed the warnings of others when it came to the cheap, chinese quads and it cost me a couple of grand. I can't imagine how it would feel to spend 17k to end up with the same result. So yeah, I am going to give my honest opinion to the brother humble enough to throw the question out there. Not trying to offend anyone, just sharing good info.
I am not trying to ruffle any feathers here. I value the knowledge of the peeps on this board and have had a lot of stupid questions answered by these folks. It just gets old when people give opinions on things they know nothing about. Are Joyners any good? I don't know, and I won't pretend to know or give my opinion that it is or isn't. It's like the old Ford vs. Chevy debate. I own a Ford, which I could give my opinion on. I don't own, nor have I driven, a Chevy, so should I be able to give my opinion on it?
QUOTE(charred1 @ Oct 12 2007, 01:50 PM)
QUOTE(Wash11 @ Oct 10 2007, 07:55 PM)
QUOTE(charred1 @ Oct 10 2007, 06:21 PM)
QUOTE(dtm @ Oct 10 2007, 02:03 PM)
QUOTE(charred1 @ Oct 10 2007, 01:55 PM)
It's like being in high school all over again. You're not the shiat unless you have the lastest, greatest, most expensive stuff out there. Folks keep preaching about safety. I think safety depends on the circumstances. If you put your car on it's lid because you're driving like an idiot, then the safety issue isn't the car or how it's built, it's you. We have peeps in our group that have the high dollar sandcars and a few with Joyners and everyone is having a great time. Buy what you can afford and have fun.
Nobodys telling the guy to buy the "latest and greatest" actually people are suggesting buying a QUALITY used mid travel car...............in the end I agree its all about having fun, but how much fun is gonna be sitting in camp all weekend long while your buddies are off riding???? or is it gonna be fun sitting in the hospital when that "buggy" folds up and injures you and/or your passengers????
I see your point. However, I am not going to talk a duner out of buying something when I know nothing about it. It seems like a lot of peeps have opinions about the Joyner or Chinese sand cars and they really have had no first hand experience with them. One guy said something along the lines of "a dude in a Joyner got stuck in the dunes and I pulled him out." Who hasn't got stuck? Peeps talk about reliability of these chinese cars. Do we truly know the reliability? I don't, and I'm not going to speculate. I think everyone who has been going to the dunes has had to sit in camp because their buggy, quad, or whatever broke. We had a starter go out in a brand new Extreme Performance sandcar this year. Did it suck? Absolutely. Have any of the Joyner's had problems in our group? You bet. As far as when a buggy folds up and injuries occur, I believe this can happen in any sandcar. Last year, wasn't it a Desert Dynamics sandcar that wrecked on the sand highway near wash 10 injuring, possibly killing, one of the passengers? And how about the injuries to the folks that had to be cut out of the wodded up Funco at Gecko Loop? Ultimately, it is up to each of us to know our own limits and the limits of what we are driving and consider that our actions, can and will, affect those around us. Be smart, be safe, and have fun!
Check the original post. The author was asking for opinions from the peanut gallery. The peanut gallery responded with reasonable posts. I don't think one needs first hand experience by way of owning a Joyner to respond here. Even if the design is great (which it is not) the inferior fasteners, low grade materials and questionable welds that I have personally seen (while purchasing 2 chinese quads like a dummy from the Joyner dealer) turned me off to the idea of owning one. I knew the kids bikes were throw away products and I was out less than two grand if they fell apart (somehow it made sense to me then).
The fact that no Joyner owners have jumped in to defend the product says something as well.
"Educating and Stimulating the Minds of those who play in Glamis" is the mission statement. If I want to learn about anything sand related, this is where I come. Good, bad or otherwise I am going to read and appreciate what people here have to say. I already played the jackass and did not heed the warnings of others when it came to the cheap, chinese quads and it cost me a couple of grand. I can't imagine how it would feel to spend 17k to end up with the same result. So yeah, I am going to give my honest opinion to the brother humble enough to throw the question out there. Not trying to offend anyone, just sharing good info.
I am not trying to ruffle any feathers here. I value the knowledge of the peeps on this board and have had a lot of stupid questions answered by these folks. It just gets old when people give opinions on things they know nothing about. Are Joyners any good? I don't know, and I won't pretend to know or give my opinion that it is or isn't. It's like the old Ford vs. Chevy debate. I own a Ford, which I could give my opinion on. I don't own, nor have I driven, a Chevy, so should I be able to give my opinion on it?
I never owned an AMC Gremlin but Im pretty sure they are pieces of s#$t. Just my OPINION.
I never owned an AMC Gremlin but Im pretty sure they are pieces of s#$t. Just my OPINION.
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In my OPINION your OPINION isn't worth a s#$t.
My Gremlin ran like a champ!
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In my OPINION your OPINION isn't worth a s#$t.
My Gremlin ran like a champ!
That's a good analogy.
The Joyner is the sandrail equivalent of a Gremlin.
The Joyner is the sandrail equivalent of a Gremlin.
if your broke down in any chinese peice of crap in the middle of the dunes ,don't expect any help from me or people like me that feel the same way . it's your own fault if you buy junk
lol
Not one joyner buggy owner replied
a link to a site where Joyner owners post seemed to be full of happy customers
someone has seen a broken joyner
someone suspects that joyners aren't welded properly because he had a "professional" look over the welds on his prospective frame
Please learn from my non-joyner buggy mistakes...
WE are a biased community.
Have people died in "proven" frames, built by "proven" builders? yep?
Are there proven buggies with proven drive trains available in the 20 and under price range? yep?
My almost 9 year old chenowth is still in one piece with all of the original welds in one piece and all of my s&%&y welds in one piece too.
If you buy a chenowth frame, you will get a quality product.
It will cost you more than $17,000 to put together a LT chenowth chassis with all new parts.
Not one joyner buggy owner replied
a link to a site where Joyner owners post seemed to be full of happy customers
someone has seen a broken joyner
someone suspects that joyners aren't welded properly because he had a "professional" look over the welds on his prospective frame
Please learn from my non-joyner buggy mistakes...
WE are a biased community.
Have people died in "proven" frames, built by "proven" builders? yep?
Are there proven buggies with proven drive trains available in the 20 and under price range? yep?
My almost 9 year old chenowth is still in one piece with all of the original welds in one piece and all of my s&%&y welds in one piece too.
If you buy a chenowth frame, you will get a quality product.
It will cost you more than $17,000 to put together a LT chenowth chassis with all new parts.
QUOTE(bigroot @ Oct 12 2007, 06:47 PM)
if your broke down in any chinese peice of crap in the middle of the dunes ,don't expect any help from me or people like me that feel the same way . it's your own fault if you buy junk
I can'tbelieve you said this!
Dude, If you are broken down in the dunes on a RUSSIAN BICYCLE, you can expect me and peeps like me to stop and lend a hand. Fear not, we will get you out.
Bigroot, I, and peeps like me, would even stop and help you back to safety even KNOWING you would not do the same for some peeps who, in your opinion made a bad choice in recreational transportation.
Thank God their are more peeps like me than you in the dunes.
That being said, I agree with most of the others who have given their opinion. It would be much better to buy a used ride from a reputable builder in the same price range than a Joyner that is new.
Buy a Joyner new and sell it for half price when you upgrade if your lucky.
Buy a used ride and maybe loose 10% when you are ready to upgrade. It's just common sense. Safety issues aside.
These are JMOs
QUOTE(bigroot @ Oct 12 2007, 06:47 PM)
if your broke down in any chinese peice of crap in the middle of the dunes ,don't expect any help from me or people like me that feel the same way . it's your own fault if you buy junk
THAT'S about the most effed up thing I have ever seen on these forums...maybe I haven't been around long enough I guess...I'm glad everyone I have ran into out there so far don't check to see what you drive before they lend a hand when your obviously in trouble...
All I gotta say about THAT is "Karma"...
Back on track? I have NOT driven one BUT I did have a pretty in depth conversation with a Joyner owner. His comments were that had he to do over again? He was not sure he would have bought it...every Joyner without a turbo was feircly under powered in his opinion...customer service sucked and the only reason he got his issues taken care of was because he drove out to Arizona and camped out in front of the store until they responded...
Wasn't a very confidence inspiring interview to be sure...
BTW I do not own a sand car nor have I ever driven one...maybe some day I hope...but when that day comes?...Based on my conversation with that Joyner owner?...it will definately not be a Joyner...
QUOTE(SanDollars @ Oct 16 2007, 08:21 AM)
QUOTE(bigroot @ Oct 12 2007, 06:47 PM)
if your broke down in any chinese peice of crap in the middle of the dunes ,don't expect any help from me or people like me that feel the same way . it's your own fault if you buy junk
I can'tbelieve you said this!
Dude, If you are broken down in the dunes on a RUSSIAN BICYCLE, you can expect me and peeps like me to stop and lend a hand. Fear not, we will get you out.
Bigroot, I, and peeps like me, would even stop and help you back to safety even KNOWING you would not do the same for some peeps who, in your opinion made a bad choice in recreational transportation.
Thank God their are more peeps like me than you in the dunes.
That being said, I agree with most of the others who have given their opinion. It would be much better to buy a used ride from a reputable builder in the same price range than a Joyner that is new.
Buy a Joyner new and sell it for half price when you upgrade if your lucky.
Buy a used ride and maybe loose 10% when you are ready to upgrade. It's just common sense. Safety issues aside.
These are JMOs
I agree with SanDollars. I am not brand specific when helping someone in the dunes (or anywhere). BUT, if I end up towing the $17,000 guy (unclejay) back to camp I'll be tempted throw a "told you so" his way.
QUOTE(O Soto Gari @ Oct 10 2007, 01:04 PM)
I met a guy last year that had one of the 1600 cc Joyners. the way I met him was when I pulled him out of being stuck with my Rhino, met him again the next day, and then again the day after that. all under the same circumstances, him being stuck.. That thing is way too heavy and sunk like the Titanic..
QUOTE(bigroot @ Oct 12 2007, 06:47 PM)
if your broke down in any chinese peice of crap in the middle of the dunes ,don't expect any help from me or people like me that feel the same way . it's your own fault if you buy junk
pulled one back once rather drag a house
Dont let everyone bring you down about joyners , I have a couple friends that have them and drive the s*** out of them , I have personally seen them go there bad ass for the money . Anything out there can break , I bet 99% of the people have been towed back to camp . BTW the joyners ive seen are the 1600s and the 2000s go. The enines if you look them up are made well . All right guys my .02 let the bashing begin 
I would buy a proven car.
Buy a roller and build your own for right about 20K. It can be done with careful planning, finding some deals and sticking to your budget. Hell, there are pprobably enough spare parts in this group to save you a boatload of $$ if you ask around.
Also, building your own car is fun and allows pride in ownership; even if you have some crappy welds that people always seem to find. =)
Good luck!
Also, building your own car is fun and allows pride in ownership; even if you have some crappy welds that people always seem to find. =)
Good luck!
ok so i am new to this board. i have been around the offroad scene for a few years now and have built a couple trucks so i have pretty good knowledge of whats what. i have been looking to buy a lower price rail that i can have fun in and still get around the dunes. i came across joyner and have been looking around at info and come across both negative and positive. it seems like the joyner aint that bad of an idea from what i have read due to smaller and minor fixes to the cars. havent read any deaths or injuries so thats out of the picture. but quality sounds to be what the price is for. i really want to buy the joyner 650cc sand viper due to me being able to CRUISE the dunes and what not cuz i know now what can breeak. even most of th stuff that needed to be fixed sounded like it all can been prevented if the owners took moree care. i think if you take the joyner and do a few modifications to it it seems like a decent car. bumps to the rear, beef up engine mounts, grade 8 bolts at high stress points. and dont drive it like its a class one car.
QUOTE(burdom13 @ Dec 27 2007, 06:34 PM)
ok so i am new to this board. i have been around the offroad scene for a few years now and have built a couple trucks so i have pretty good knowledge of whats what. i have been looking to buy a lower price rail that i can have fun in and still get around the dunes. i came across joyner and have been looking around at info and come across both negative and positive. it seems like the joyner aint that bad of an idea from what i have read due to smaller and minor fixes to the cars. havent read any deaths or injuries so thats out of the picture. but quality sounds to be what the price is for. i really want to buy the joyner 650cc sand viper due to me being able to CRUISE the dunes and what not cuz i know now what can breeak. even most of th stuff that needed to be fixed sounded like it all can been prevented if the owners took moree care. i think if you take the joyner and do a few modifications to it it seems like a decent car. bumps to the rear, beef up engine mounts, grade 8 bolts at high stress points. and dont drive it like its a class one car.
Welcome to the board... Why would one want to buy something new or used that you have to do work to it to improve the structural design..? Granted it's only a 650cc so maybe 50-60Hp tops, it just seams odd you would want to do that, especially if your just going to cruise the dunes. I would just run it the way it is and if or when it brakes then do your fix.
Slowly, put the crack pipe down and back away from the Joyner...
QUOTE(bigroot @ Oct 13 2007, 01:47 PM)
if your broke down in any chinese peice of crap in the middle of the dunes ,don't expect any help from me or people like me that feel the same way . it's your own fault if you buy junk
Thats a pretty effed up thing to say! Im not a big fan of Joyners either, but I am a fan of helping a fellow duner, no matter what hes driving or riding!! Get your head out of your ass!!
QUOTE(tomfish1 @ Oct 11 2007, 07:51 AM)
QUOTE(unclejay @ Oct 9 2007, 11:53 AM)
Well, Im gonna chime in here, having a deposit on a Joyner 2000cc...
First of all, they are not $20,000. I am paying 17,000 for a long travel rear engine 2000cc car with 6 spot lights, 3-stage shocks, turning brakes, etc and that is top of the line until you get to V8 Joyners. I priced EVERY other builder and most of them are in the $ 30,000 and up range.
And some of them have USED ENGINES give me a break !!!
The blue used unit pictured in the post above does not have long travel.
I understand the tubing and weld quality issues, but $ 10,000 buys a lot of welding reinforcement. I also understand that a 2 litre engine isnt going to scream up Olds. But my $ 17,000 Rhino didint either.
As for component breakage, Ive seen dozens of $ 60,000 sand cars broken at Glamis. End of story. I dont jump or race.
Safety ? Not provable. No statistics to make the claim. These are all unsafe vehicles. A head on between a Funco and a Joyner might actually favor the Joyner due to weight and crushability.
Patriotism isnt an issue either. lets not be hypoctitical, everything is made overseas. Do you fly on an Airbus ? Buy at Wal Mart ? Buy any electronics ? Buy gasoline ? I thought so.
So, we shall see. Maybe Im gonna learn a sad lesson. I iwll post it here first !!!
First of all, they are not $20,000. I am paying 17,000 for a long travel rear engine 2000cc car with 6 spot lights, 3-stage shocks, turning brakes, etc and that is top of the line until you get to V8 Joyners. I priced EVERY other builder and most of them are in the $ 30,000 and up range.
And some of them have USED ENGINES give me a break !!!
The blue used unit pictured in the post above does not have long travel.
I understand the tubing and weld quality issues, but $ 10,000 buys a lot of welding reinforcement. I also understand that a 2 litre engine isnt going to scream up Olds. But my $ 17,000 Rhino didint either.
As for component breakage, Ive seen dozens of $ 60,000 sand cars broken at Glamis. End of story. I dont jump or race.
Safety ? Not provable. No statistics to make the claim. These are all unsafe vehicles. A head on between a Funco and a Joyner might actually favor the Joyner due to weight and crushability.
Patriotism isnt an issue either. lets not be hypoctitical, everything is made overseas. Do you fly on an Airbus ? Buy at Wal Mart ? Buy any electronics ? Buy gasoline ? I thought so.
So, we shall see. Maybe Im gonna learn a sad lesson. I iwll post it here first !!!
dude you are on crack. no offence.
I believe he is!!
QUOTE(burdom13 @ Dec 27 2007, 07:34 PM)
ok so i am new to this board. i have been around the offroad scene for a few years now and have built a couple trucks so i have pretty good knowledge of whats what. i have been looking to buy a lower price rail that i can have fun in and still get around the dunes. i came across joyner and have been looking around at info and come across both negative and positive. it seems like the joyner aint that bad of an idea from what i have read due to smaller and minor fixes to the cars. havent read any deaths or injuries so thats out of the picture. but quality sounds to be what the price is for. i really want to buy the joyner 650cc sand viper due to me being able to CRUISE the dunes and what not cuz i know now what can breeak. even most of th stuff that needed to be fixed sounded like it all can been prevented if the owners took moree care. i think if you take the joyner and do a few modifications to it it seems like a decent car. bumps to the rear, beef up engine mounts, grade 8 bolts at high stress points. and dont drive it like its a class one car.
Sounds like you have talked yourself into it already. Give it a shot and let us know how it goes.
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