I've read a few threads on this issue but am still a bit confused. I live in AZ and there is no state certification program (I've called a few agencies). So how do I go about making sure my kids are legal?
Do I have to go to California or use the ATV saftey institute program exclusively?
Is there any other recognized certification organizations? Since AZ does not have a recognized program could I start my own program that would be acceptable in the State of CA?
Once certified, what is there to keep my kids from being repeatedly harrased for evidence of certification every time a LEO comes along?
Finally, how do I explain that the Leo's really are our public servants without getting a blank stare from my Kid's.
'Bob
Rudebob, Just teach the kids how to outrun those damn LEO's, they're gonna be doing it in a few years anyways, just start 'em out a little early :roll: Thats my advice J/K
I got an e-mail this morning regarding this sh*t :evil:
I got an e-mail this morning regarding this sh*t :evil:
Bob, you're not the only one confused on this... judging by the variety of answers I've gotten to a repeated question, even the folks at ASI are confused :roll2:
According to the Vehicle Code for this issue:
Which is why, even though it's not required (yet?) in Arizona, since the ISDRA is in California, you must follow the code.
Right now, ATV Safety Institute is the only game in town... I'm thinking that's got to change as demand rises, but for now, they're the one. There are other organizations who have paid to have their people certified as instructors, so they are able to offer the same course through their own organizations and the certificates are still ASI certificates.
Sure you could... but you have to start with becoming a certified instructor through the ATV Safety Institute and you must follow their guidelines in order to formally certify anyone.
Well, short of a neon sign or wearing the certificate like we have to wear our fishing licenses, I'm afraid there is no easy answer. Maybe familiarity? The same ranger stops at your camp every time you're out there and becomes familiar with you and your rigs, your family, etc.
This requirement has been on the books for a while, so somewhere along the line, some member (or a bunch of members) of the "public" pushed hard for this requirement... was it our public? I don't think so. But all law enforcement agencies are being pressured to enforce this and the noise regulations by still other members of the public. We need to get our public to be as strong as their public so we can exert a little of our own pressure.
Vicki
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| I've read a few threads on this issue but am still a bit confused. I live in AZ and there is no state certification program (I've called a few agencies). So how do I go about making sure my kids are legal? |
According to the Vehicle Code for this issue:
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| 38503. No person under the age of 18 years, on and after January 1, 1990, shall operate an all-terrain vehicle on public lands of this state unless the person satisfies one of the following conditions: (a) The person is taking a prescribed safety training course under the direct supervision of a certified all-terrain vehicle safety instructor. (  The person is under the direct supervision of an adult who has in their possession an appropriate safety certificate issued by this state, or issued under the authority of another state. © The person has in possession an appropriate safety certificate issued by this state or issued under the authority of another state. |
Which is why, even though it's not required (yet?) in Arizona, since the ISDRA is in California, you must follow the code.
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| Do I have to go to California or use the ATV saftey institute program exclusively?
Is there any other recognized certification organizations? |
Right now, ATV Safety Institute is the only game in town... I'm thinking that's got to change as demand rises, but for now, they're the one. There are other organizations who have paid to have their people certified as instructors, so they are able to offer the same course through their own organizations and the certificates are still ASI certificates.
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| Since AZ does not have a recognized program could I start my own program that would be acceptable in the State of CA? |
Sure you could... but you have to start with becoming a certified instructor through the ATV Safety Institute and you must follow their guidelines in order to formally certify anyone.
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| Once certified, what is there to keep my kids from being repeatedly harrased for evidence of certification every time a LEO comes along? |
Well, short of a neon sign or wearing the certificate like we have to wear our fishing licenses, I'm afraid there is no easy answer. Maybe familiarity? The same ranger stops at your camp every time you're out there and becomes familiar with you and your rigs, your family, etc.
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| Finally, how do I explain that the Leo's really are our public servants without getting a blank stare from my Kid's.
'Bob |
This requirement has been on the books for a while, so somewhere along the line, some member (or a bunch of members) of the "public" pushed hard for this requirement... was it our public? I don't think so. But all law enforcement agencies are being pressured to enforce this and the noise regulations by still other members of the public. We need to get our public to be as strong as their public so we can exert a little of our own pressure.
Vicki
This may have been on the books for a while but in the past it was enforced responsibly. Now, there seems to be no responsibility, in the vein of "Zero Tollerance"...
To question/search a child simply because he is riding an OHV for the express purpose of acertaining whether he has a certificate strikes me as very heavy handed and borderline harassment. Are we not innocent until proven guilty? They tried to do this with the seat-belt law and it was struck down.
We will see just how this will be enforced this year.
The Pastor
To question/search a child simply because he is riding an OHV for the express purpose of acertaining whether he has a certificate strikes me as very heavy handed and borderline harassment. Are we not innocent until proven guilty? They tried to do this with the seat-belt law and it was struck down.
We will see just how this will be enforced this year.
The Pastor
I'd bet it'll be enforced after-the-fact, like the original seat-belt law in NJ. When they first made the seat-belt law, it was written so that LEO's couldn't pull you over just for no seatbelt. But if you DID get pulled over (or observed violating any other traffic law), they'd take the seat-belt violation onto the ticket.
There is more to this then just getting the kids certified . There setting us up >:< . No good will come from this >:<
Sounds like by trick or treat we all should have a handfull of ticket's :x
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