That is what the TRT will be looking at. Our next meeting is a conference call on 11/18/03.

I am glad I am not the only one who thinks this.

Translation: "We tried to tell you we needed more money, like $180 per season but we settled for $90. No wonder we're short on resources."

I would certainly hope he would have an answer to cover his a$$. He wouldn't be much of a manager if he didn't would he?

In all seriousness, I would be less impressed if he didn't have an answer of some kind.

I will ask about the cost per clearing for Greys Well Road on the conference call. Although my question to dune users would be, how much do you want me to ask the BLM to spend on keeping a road through the dunes completely free of sand?

Sure are...

Glenn, well I have been going to Buttercup since 1990 and have never seen the road that bad! Now it costs me $90 to use the road and camp there!!! So as far as how much $$$ to spend well spend my $90 to clear the road! Sure would hate to see a bad accident and the BLM get sued right?

dunernr, I have been going to Buttercup since the 1970's and have never seen Grey's Well Road so bad with sand drifts that it would cause an accident for those that are aware of their surroundings. I never seen even a section of it impassible with a motorhome. Granted, I didn't see the condition of it when you did.

Like I have said, I am not debating points, just offerring my views. Yours is the only comment I have received about the road condition and I have asked the questions of the BLM and will do so again tomorrow.

Keep in mind that your $90 is not going to get that truck and grader out of the yard in El Centro, to Grey's Well Road, and clear the sand. I have asked the BLM for the average cost of doing this, per occurrance. Hopefully, I will have the answer tomorrow.

Thanks again for your comments. Keep them coming.

Jet, not a problem. I will let you know if it becomes one.

And thanks for the good word.

Adding camping spots is actually one of the management actions in the New And Improved RAMP, but it's all tied up in court right now.

Extending Gecko Road (a dream that warms my heart) is another thing altogether. We need to convince the County and then the general public that Glamis is one heck of an asset (yes they know that but are they willing to stick their collective necks out?) and get them to help get some of these things done. Not just for the camping, but to also disperse use a little. Better for the little crawly things and better for the land users. And why not??? There's a whole lotta room out there.

Vicki

Tell me about it! It was way back in the '87 RAMP that they started talking about extending Gecko Road and still here Glamis sits, growing in popularity but not in accommodations.

Thank the anti-access groups for that one. They're "management by closure" style keeps many popular public land areas from expanding. Just look at what's happening to Yosemite -- they're going beyond non-expansion; they're actually reducing camping opportunities, even though the demand continues to grow. It's easier to eliminate opportunities than to come up with conservation-minded solutions.

What we need to do is make it harder for them to take that easy road.

Vicki

See this is why I don't like ignore - I still like to talk to PW's as long as they're not PWing.....

Chef, the AMA is already very involved. A search of the ASA site shows a bunch of times the AMA has been involved in the fight over the ISDRA. They've done quite a bit on their own and in conjunction with the ASA like several other groups. But they're so active in other areas of riding that our issues normally only get a short blip from them nationally. (oh and just watch out for the Adaptive Management Area bits in that search - that AMA is NOT good for anyone who loves the dunes!)