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pwcracr501
I have a worked up Yamaha 660 raptor with stock front tires. I want to know if its really worth the purchase to put sand tires on the front and if so which ones are the best?? Any advise would be great!!!
TACO
Personally, I am a wash camper so I like a little more meat on the front end for running over stumps and branches and some hardpack....but I got a set of old front dirt tires that I shaved some of the knobs off of for a little less friction in the dunes, but still enough for the washes....

Couldn't tell you which are better than others but if i went to get some it would the dune tracker or the ITP with the dual ribs....

It all depends on how much you plan on having the front end on the ground I suppose.....icon_biggrin.gif
Tanman11
QUOTE(pwcracr501 @ Dec 5 2007, 11:37 AM) *
I have a worked up Yamaha 660 raptor with stock front tires. I want to know if its really worth the purchase to put sand tires on the front and if so which ones are the best?? Any advise would be great!!!


IMO, if you are only riding the dunes, then yes sand tires are worth it. If you are going to get front sand tires I would go with Skat Trak Mohawks. Once again IMO, they are the best front tires out there. They are more money than say ITP Sand Stars, but I believe they are a better tire. icon_biggrin.gif
Ifly
Call Fullerton Sand Sports at 714-484-5996. Tell them what you have and what you want from the tire. If you ask whats the best tire be ready to hear a price you will not like. The best costs money. Cheap tires cost the least. But they will have the best info you will get.
GENERAL
YES! Sand Tires Unlimited 22x11-8. These have the best crown and best flotation out of ALL the front sand tires on the market! Flotation is where it's at, smaller/narrow sand tires tend to knife through the sand, and knobbies break up the sand which in turn causes the front end to sink. Get 'em, you'll be glad you did yay.gif
Fireballsocal
Only you can decide if they are worth the money. For me, they are worth it for the right set. I also recommend skat trak mohawks. This is a knobby tire that has all the knobs shaved off except the center strip. They are much lighter than knobbies or sand stars/molded front sand tires. They bite well enough to handle great but not enough that they follow every rut and track and won't jerk the bars out of your hands. Sand stars are a heavy molded tire.

Front sand tires offer less rolling resistance than a knobby, a noticable difference if tried back to back. To just go out and have fun though, even knobbies work well when aired down. Go with a light weight rim also like a Douglas Blue Label. Again, less rolling resistance.
Mrs. Bear Down
husband has been riding with his new sand front tires...

He misses his old nobbies in the front with the paddles in the back...

He just said over all there's less control or something to that effect...

Maybe its just what he's always been use to...

nosocks
Go get Sand Tires Unlimited RAZORS on an 8 inch wide rim. Call Fullerton Sand Sports and they will handle it for you. This is without a doubt the best front tire you can buy. The rubber compound is nice and soft and flexes to go over ruts creating greater floatation and a better ride.

I have a set and will never own anything else EVER!!!
banshee380
iv heard alot of good info about the skat trak mohawks ...

i have a pair of razors on my shee and my yfz450 (ITP sandstars) i love em
Bugsy
QUOTE(norocksplease @ Dec 5 2007, 02:16 PM) *
Go get Sand Tires Unlimited RAZORS on an 8 inch wide rim. Call Fullerton Sand Sports and they will handle it for you. This is without a doubt the best front tire you can buy. The rubber compound is nice and soft and flexes to go over ruts creating greater floatation and a better ride.

I have a set and will never own anything else EVER!!!


Ditto, and I know a few others that are running the same thing... I prefer to have the tire float through a transition rather than dig into it with a narrow tire.
ginaben
I had knobbies for a long time because I was too cheap to buy sand tires on the front. I wanted the money to go faster and more power in my engine. I also dislike the way the sand tires grab when you are in someone elses tracks. I really think the benefits aren't really worth the money. All they do is give you the "look", if you know how to ride you don't need them. I finally bought them when my 80 horsepower banshee quit turning. Honestly the sand tires didn't help that much but it did make it look faster.
nosocks
QUOTE(ginaben @ Dec 5 2007, 04:40 PM) *
I had knobbies for a long time because I was too cheap to buy sand tires on the front. I wanted the money to go faster and more power in my engine. I also dislike the way the sand tires grab when you are in someone elses tracks. I really think the benefits aren't really worth the money. All they do is give you the "look", if you know how to ride you don't need them. I finally bought them when my 80 horsepower banshee quit turning. Honestly the sand tires didn't help that much but it did make it look faster.

Haven't had the issue with the tracks with my razors. A wide tire on a wide rim makes a huge difference.
rivermobster
they made a noticible difference for me. got mine from joe at fullerton too.

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Onboard-Air.com
Got mine from Fullerton also. I have 8" wide wheel up front.
I just told him what I have for a bike and he set me all up, and I couldnt be happier.
GWTT
nobbies create alot of bump steer and catch ruts. sand tires give you a pushing sensation in the front end (wont turn) feeling due to the lightness of the front wheels weather it be a skat trak or molded sandstar dual rib, this is because the front end is lighter with the sand tires then the nobbies let off the throttle to let the front end down then turn the bars, doesnt want to high side like a nobbie will. When I do run my nobbies i have a 22 inch tall 6ply holeshot that seems to track pretty well in the dunes. but I believe skat trac is the way to go.
nosocks
QUOTE(Guy With The Truck @ Dec 5 2007, 05:50 PM) *
nobbies create alot of bump steer and catch ruts. sand tires give you a pushing sensation in the front end (wont turn) feeling due to the lightness of the front wheels weather it be a skat trak or molded sandstar dual rib, this is because the front end is lighter with the sand tires then the nobbies let off the throttle to let the front end down then turn the bars, doesnt want to high side like a nobbie will. When I do run my nobbies i have a 22 inch tall 6ply holeshot that seems to track pretty well in the dunes. but I believe skat trac is the way to go.


I never had to let off the throttle in a turn really dunno.gif

And by the way, my tires are clocked even too so there goes that theory as well.
GWTT
QUOTE(norocksplease @ Dec 5 2007, 06:15 PM) *
QUOTE(Guy With The Truck @ Dec 5 2007, 05:50 PM) *
nobbies create alot of bump steer and catch ruts. sand tires give you a pushing sensation in the front end (wont turn) feeling due to the lightness of the front wheels weather it be a skat trak or molded sandstar dual rib, this is because the front end is lighter with the sand tires then the nobbies let off the throttle to let the front end down then turn the bars, doesnt want to high side like a nobbie will. When I do run my nobbies i have a 22 inch tall 6ply holeshot that seems to track pretty well in the dunes. but I believe skat trac is the way to go.


I never had to let off the throttle in a turn really dunno.gif

And by the way, my tires are clocked even too so there goes that theory as well.


well when you have 12psi in the rear tires like you run, you dont hook up much, thus not lifting up the front end. dunno.gif
Fireballsocal
QUOTE(Guy With The Truck @ Dec 5 2007, 05:50 PM) *
nobbies create alot of bump steer and catch ruts. sand tires give you a pushing sensation in the front end (wont turn) feeling due to the lightness of the front wheels weather it be a skat trak or molded sandstar dual rib, this is because the front end is lighter with the sand tires then the nobbies


The push has nothing to do with the tire/rim combo being a couple of pounds lighter. Push either comes from straight cut paddles like a hauler pushing the bike straight against the turn or a smooth surfaced tire like a smoothie that won't grip but rather slides instead of turning you. My 97 banshee had both haulers and smoothies. It didn't like to turn without a whole lot of body english.

danno333
id say just go out and have fun!! then see how u want your bike to turn dunno.gif
Ifly
I look at it like this. A bigger tire floats better, goes over bumps smoother, and just rides better. I think they look like crap when your back tires are smaller. Turning issues come from many differant things, to witch I believe are your paddles and how well you can ride. I run 22/8-10 GBC Dune Trackers and am very happy with them, Not the most exspensive and not the cheapest.
Emanon
Luv my razors and would never go back.. the difference when I threw them on was huge!!!!
nosocks
QUOTE(Guy With The Truck @ Dec 5 2007, 06:31 PM) *
QUOTE(norocksplease @ Dec 5 2007, 06:15 PM) *
QUOTE(Guy With The Truck @ Dec 5 2007, 05:50 PM) *
nobbies create alot of bump steer and catch ruts. sand tires give you a pushing sensation in the front end (wont turn) feeling due to the lightness of the front wheels weather it be a skat trak or molded sandstar dual rib, this is because the front end is lighter with the sand tires then the nobbies let off the throttle to let the front end down then turn the bars, doesnt want to high side like a nobbie will. When I do run my nobbies i have a 22 inch tall 6ply holeshot that seems to track pretty well in the dunes. but I believe skat trac is the way to go.


I never had to let off the throttle in a turn really dunno.gif

And by the way, my tires are clocked even too so there goes that theory as well.


well when you have 12psi in the rear tires like you run, you dont hook up much, thus not lifting up the front end. dunno.gif


Had 2 flats a couple trips ago...still no problem. Even with 10-12 PSI, the front end comes right up on command icon_wink.gif

A lot of what everyone will read is a load of BS. Things like a slightly heavier tire affecting handling in some noticeable amount, having your tires "clocked" to be even or off, and the endless other things that you hear are myths and excuses created by those who cannot ride. I have ridden all sorts of paddles clocked and not, tires heavy and light...I can make them all work just fine just as well as the next setup.
Simalg
I run the ITP Sand Stars and I they work very well IMO. I've not had any trouble turning at all. I run the ITP Sand Star paddles in the rear and they seem to help with the turning a lot better than when I had Haulers.
toyota-trasher
I have stock rims and tires on the front of my 88 250r since 1994. I have ridden with people on every bike with every setup. The guys with smooth tires didnt have an advantage over me.

I always thought that the smooth tires came out for buggies back in the day because the front tires with knobbies would throw sand in the drivers face. not a problem for quads.

It is something else to make our quads look cool.
Fireballsocal
There is a noticable difference in the rolling resistance between a smoothie and a knobbie. I didn't think it made much difference either till I tried em back to back.
toyota-trasher
QUOTE(Fireballsocal @ Dec 6 2007, 07:07 PM) *
There is a noticable difference in the rolling resistance between a smoothie and a knobbie. I didn't think it made much difference either till I tried em back to back.

the only time I let off the throtle and "roll" is when I am stopping.............. tongue.gif I will try Ifly's smoothies on my quad next time I am out to see the difference.
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