Brian if I am overstepping here go ahead and delete this topic.
The ASA president (Grant George) and the one of his cheerleaders (Guy Chrest) have jumped on the VP of DUNERS (Chuck Mobely) for making a statement that was not too bright. Sorry, Chuck, between what you may have meant and what you said you kind of stepped on your d!ck.
The cheerleader has suggested that the offshoot topic be moved to another forum. Unfortunately, moving to another forum within the ASA board is a joke because they won't allow any real open honest discussion. Something gets to sensitive and the topic will be deleted.
So, since this board is one that won't delete stuff unless it really gets out of hand, bring the fight in here. It isn't a DUNERS board and it isn't an ASA board.
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Jet, I was thinking hte same thing... Put the TRT forum on GD.com a were everyones opnion is welcome.
What do ya think Slappy?
What do ya think Slappy?
we already have a trt forum on here
Well, in my opinion it's not really a TRT issue. That's the problem with what's happening over on the ASA forum right now... the personal agendas are getting all muddled up with the TRT issues and that makes the dividing line between the ASA and the TRT even more difficult to see.
It would be nice if this TRT forum could focus on TRT discussions.
Just my .02 cents.
Vicki
It would be nice if this TRT forum could focus on TRT discussions.
Just my .02 cents.
Vicki
This TRT forum is/has always been open for open discussions.
This being GD.com, though, it could get very ugly over here quite quickly!!!
What Jet suggests is a very good idea. I had the same thought when I built this forum. I have already made the invitation over on the ASA board.
The TRT is even encouraged to supply their own moderator, if they wish.
But remember... This is still GD.com and personal attacks will be edited/deleted.
Da Pastor
This being GD.com, though, it could get very ugly over here quite quickly!!!
What Jet suggests is a very good idea. I had the same thought when I built this forum. I have already made the invitation over on the ASA board.
The TRT is even encouraged to supply their own moderator, if they wish.
But remember... This is still GD.com and personal attacks will be edited/deleted.
Da Pastor
This actually may be the wrong forum as well for what I was going after. Basically, after asking the public arguing and personal attacks between DUNERS and the ASA to not be so public, the same person, Grant, came out swinging along with Guy. If they truly meant the public arguing to go away, they would have emailed him instead of publicly roasting him. Then they say the issue isn't really TRT related and I agree. Chuck should have worded his post a little better and he must take his own medicine for stepping on his d!ck but it doesn't rise to the level of asking him to resigne. If we used that standard, making stupid public statements, then the entire ASA BOD with the exception of Becky should resign!
I was going to pick another forum like glamis issues. Maybe it needs to be moved.
In the mean time, Guy Chrest, Grant George, if you want to keep up the public slamming of other organizations even after you asked for it to stop, here we are. You can't delete what you don't want to be public and neither can Vicki in this forum. Sack up! :evil: Otherwise, live by your own words and shut the **** up!
I was going to pick another forum like glamis issues. Maybe it needs to be moved.
In the mean time, Guy Chrest, Grant George, if you want to keep up the public slamming of other organizations even after you asked for it to stop, here we are. You can't delete what you don't want to be public and neither can Vicki in this forum. Sack up! :evil: Otherwise, live by your own words and shut the **** up!
What a great idea Jeff,
We all come over here and berate each other for your entertainment.What a great use of everyones time and energy.Man you're at real thinker.
We all come over here and berate each other for your entertainment.What a great use of everyones time and energy.Man you're at real thinker.
Well you certainly have put me in my place Grant. Ooooohh!
You can justify it any way you want to. The only problem you have with one group or a person publicly criticizing an organization is when the group getting criticised is the ASA. But you think you can do it with impunity to DUNERS and no one is supposed to say anything. Get over yourself.
Label me a cheerleader for DUNERS. At least they will admit a mistake. Not you. You will do the ASA two step and or attempt to cover it up. You have no honor.
You can justify it any way you want to. The only problem you have with one group or a person publicly criticizing an organization is when the group getting criticised is the ASA. But you think you can do it with impunity to DUNERS and no one is supposed to say anything. Get over yourself.
Label me a cheerleader for DUNERS. At least they will admit a mistake. Not you. You will do the ASA two step and or attempt to cover it up. You have no honor.
The thread on the ASA site is still on going and hasn't been stopped or locked.
My personal observation; I've seen slamming of the ASA (without naming names) in more than one place and in print. People will deny it happens, but it does. But, whenever a DUNER takes a hit, they act like they're victims.
I've also seen the ASA, at my request (it was my committee's idea to have the ad), include DUNERs in the ad we paid for and placed in the SSSS program. We never asked a penny from the others. Maybe it wasn't a big deal to any of them, but the ASA included them.
I also took a lot of time pointing out the other orgs that were there and encouraged people to check them out and join if they felt so inclined, and since John Crowley couldn't attend, we displayed material from Friends of Sand Mountain.
During the show, I had people come up to me and tell me that they were talking to "someone else" and that the ASA stood for such and such. Hmmmm. Who were they talking to? I asked and wasn't given a decent reply. So, I asked why they asked someone else what the ASA stood for? If you want to know what the ASA's position is on anything or what they stand for, ask the ASA! It was very obvious to me and a few others I spoke with (my brother is one) as to who they were talking to (like when one of 3 men asked me "What have you done that is pro-active?" Gee, where did that come from?)
I have read Vicki's article in Sand Addiction. Several times. My impression is that beyond trying to inform the public, she was attempting to deride the ASA and members of the TRT. I spoke with some of these people and they think the same thing.
So, what I'm trying to get at here is this: DUNERs leadership and ASA leadership don't get along, have a lot of philosophical differences and are never going to get along. I'm certain that there is a lot of "personal" stuff going on also. It's very personal to me as to why I'll never join DUNERs (even though some of the members are counted among my friends and I hope they remain so!). But I truly believe the "personal" stuff is the biggest problem. Yes indeed. Just as this thread is really about personal issues, as is the thread on the ASA bbs.
And it's not going to do a dammed bit of good.
And that begs the question; why bother to continue?
My personal observation; I've seen slamming of the ASA (without naming names) in more than one place and in print. People will deny it happens, but it does. But, whenever a DUNER takes a hit, they act like they're victims.
I've also seen the ASA, at my request (it was my committee's idea to have the ad), include DUNERs in the ad we paid for and placed in the SSSS program. We never asked a penny from the others. Maybe it wasn't a big deal to any of them, but the ASA included them.
I also took a lot of time pointing out the other orgs that were there and encouraged people to check them out and join if they felt so inclined, and since John Crowley couldn't attend, we displayed material from Friends of Sand Mountain.
During the show, I had people come up to me and tell me that they were talking to "someone else" and that the ASA stood for such and such. Hmmmm. Who were they talking to? I asked and wasn't given a decent reply. So, I asked why they asked someone else what the ASA stood for? If you want to know what the ASA's position is on anything or what they stand for, ask the ASA! It was very obvious to me and a few others I spoke with (my brother is one) as to who they were talking to (like when one of 3 men asked me "What have you done that is pro-active?" Gee, where did that come from?)
I have read Vicki's article in Sand Addiction. Several times. My impression is that beyond trying to inform the public, she was attempting to deride the ASA and members of the TRT. I spoke with some of these people and they think the same thing.
So, what I'm trying to get at here is this: DUNERs leadership and ASA leadership don't get along, have a lot of philosophical differences and are never going to get along. I'm certain that there is a lot of "personal" stuff going on also. It's very personal to me as to why I'll never join DUNERs (even though some of the members are counted among my friends and I hope they remain so!). But I truly believe the "personal" stuff is the biggest problem. Yes indeed. Just as this thread is really about personal issues, as is the thread on the ASA bbs.
And it's not going to do a dammed bit of good.
And that begs the question; why bother to continue?
At the SSSS, I invited EVERY vendor I saw, including DUNERS, to attend my free vendors/volunteer food event in the campground. They will be invited next year too!
I am opinionated, by I try to be fair.
I am opinionated, by I try to be fair.
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We all come over here and berate each other for your entertainment.What a great use of everyones time and energy.Man you're at real thinker. |
Are you Talking to me??? This from the president of the ASA?
I would like to see the TRT forum moved from the ASA site to GD.com because it seems that when its on the ASA site the ASA and TRT are in bed with each other... At least on GD.com there is no favortism showed for the most part.
Grant, get over yourself and work on opening up the DUNES and stop giving in to the BLM.
He is talking to me.
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For now.
Brian, you are probably correct that the ASA and DUNERS will never get along. But that does not mean one or the other will go away. DUNERS will not be discouraged, obviously, so anyone wishing or hoping or working towards wiping us out of existence should give up and put their energy elsewhere.
I need to address some of the things you stated:
Oh my, I certainly hope you're not suggesting it came from DUNERS, since I can say for certain it wasn't anyone at the DUNERS booth. When we are asked those questions (and we are, often), our response has and will continue to be "don't ask us what the ASA stands for... ask them yourself."
Oh now that could have come from DUNERS, although there are other proactive organizations out there like Friends of Dumont, Friends of Sand Mountain, Friends of Oceano, etc., that could have also raised that question. We are absolutely proactive versus reactive, always have been and always will be. Of course, we think that's a good thing.
If you felt defensive at that question, perhaps you are more proactive than reactive. I would never feel defensive if someone were to ask me that question and can give them a list of our proactive actions.
Ignoring the fact that the ASA isn't even mentioned, it is only derisive if you feel accepting the business plan and rushing it along is a bad thing. I also make it very clear in the article that some people feel it was a good thing and I ask the readers to take the time to read the business plan and decide for themselves. If you feel that accepting and rushing the business plan is a negative thing, perhaps you should do some deep thinking yourself.
Vicki
I need to address some of the things you stated:
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Oh my, I certainly hope you're not suggesting it came from DUNERS, since I can say for certain it wasn't anyone at the DUNERS booth. When we are asked those questions (and we are, often), our response has and will continue to be "don't ask us what the ASA stands for... ask them yourself."
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Oh now that could have come from DUNERS, although there are other proactive organizations out there like Friends of Dumont, Friends of Sand Mountain, Friends of Oceano, etc., that could have also raised that question. We are absolutely proactive versus reactive, always have been and always will be. Of course, we think that's a good thing.
If you felt defensive at that question, perhaps you are more proactive than reactive. I would never feel defensive if someone were to ask me that question and can give them a list of our proactive actions.
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Ignoring the fact that the ASA isn't even mentioned, it is only derisive if you feel accepting the business plan and rushing it along is a bad thing. I also make it very clear in the article that some people feel it was a good thing and I ask the readers to take the time to read the business plan and decide for themselves. If you feel that accepting and rushing the business plan is a negative thing, perhaps you should do some deep thinking yourself.
Vicki
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For now. |
It is now.
Vicki
I have an observation, it may not be popular but I have tried real hard to remove myself from the bickering as of late and will continue to do so. Anyway my observation is this... It is perfectly OK for some of you to critisize the ASA on many levels and when an ASA leader attempts to answer the critisizsm its "blown off". BUT, when Duners is critisized then everything must change so they are OK with it. Jet's and Washroad's post here made me realize this for the first time. Why do I BELIEVE I'm seeing a double standard here?
"If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen."
"If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen."
The beauty of GD.com is that everyone has the right to disagree or agree. But the whole "he said, she said" stuff is well............... stupid. Heresay is not admissible in a court of law. If you wall want to impress me, then do it with fact, not conjecture. Particuliarly, dates, times and quoted statements. ASA, DUNERS, GD.com... who gives a rats ass? If I want to see this kind of bantering, I'll just turn on one of the many "Democratic Debates". In the past 2 years since Slap and I bought the gd.com site, I've seen the whole ASA, DUNERS, BLM, TRT, DEMO crap go nowhere except to destabilize our quaility of entertainment at glamis. You know why the enviro's have such an impact? Because they're united. They decide on a plan of attack and implement it. Leaving all of us un-united groups scurrying around saying "oh crap.. now what?". Unless the agenda's move to a proactive state, then DUNERS, ASA, and the likes aren't worth the 10 cents worth of paper their charters are drafted on. The enviro's just need to log on here, read these types of posts and start high-fiving each other as they watch us self destruct. And before you all respond with "But FNG... you have to understand why I feel this way" crap, just know I don't really care what happened 2, 5 or 10 years ago, or even yesterday for that matter, because I can't change yesterday. C'mon people.. nut up! I think your energies could be spent in much better ways.
FNG,
Right on the money. I'm afraid your post is in vain however...
Right on the money. I'm afraid your post is in vain however...
Wow, chalk up an impressive post for Mr. FNG. Well said.
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Right on the money. I'm afraid your post is in vain however... |
Actually I don't agree.. I think FNG is right. It's time to move on. Start focusing on the future. And get off each others backs. Time will heal and we will be as one in the fight. It takes both sides to stop the rhetoric. This does nothing but damage everyones reputations. I want to apologize for that.
One thing FNG you said.
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No not quite. They are not unite. Heck you can't even get them to help with cleanups, nature hikes for kids, or plant counting. I've been told by several leaders of the greenies that we are way more mobilized and our volunteer base far out weighs theirs. I've asked several of their leaders to join us in many different things and they say "are you kidding I can't get any of these people to do anything". They are very impressed with our fortitude and passion.
The thing they have on us is the ESA. And of course the 9th circuit. Always remember that. That is their weapon and they use it perfectly.
We as recreationist need to start focusing on this piece of legislation.
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It is now. Vicki |
The TRT thread is not locked, just the bitch session in Wide Open Sand is. If you'll notice, I was very careful to give the president and the vice president of DUNERS the last word before locking it. Last time I locked a useless thread like this I got a nasty-gram from Chuck for not letting him respond to a post prior to my doing so.
I let Vicki and Chuck post last, and DUNERS still complains when it's locked. Too bad. At least now I'm convinced that nothing I do will make them happy, and likely nothing the ASA does will make them happy either.
Go figure.
Hey now... three little words "it is now" does not a complaint make :wink:
From what I see we're all trying to learn from the past and move into the future... let's all try not to be so darn sensitive :bandit:
Vicki
From what I see we're all trying to learn from the past and move into the future... let's all try not to be so darn sensitive :bandit:
Vicki
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The TRT thread is not locked, just the bitch session in Wide Open Sand is. If you'll notice, I was very careful to give the president and the vice president of DUNERS the last word before locking it. Last time I locked a useless thread like this I got a nasty-gram from Chuck for not letting him respond to a post prior to my doing so. I let Vicki and Chuck post last, and DUNERS still complains when it's locked. Too bad. At least now I'm convinced that nothing I do will make them happy, and likely nothing the ASA does will make them happy either. Go figure. |
I didn't take that as a complaint, I thought i t was just passing on information? Did I miss something?
I see alot of people slamming the ASA. 
It s pretty sad to me that this has to happen. There is no way any org can keep all of the people happy. Orgs are going to have to work together to get our dunes back.
Remember the ASA has done alot to keep our dunes from the peckerheads that want it closed.
It s pretty sad to me that this has to happen. There is no way any org can keep all of the people happy. Orgs are going to have to work together to get our dunes back.
Remember the ASA has done alot to keep our dunes from the peckerheads that want it closed.
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| Hey now... three little words \"it is now\" does not a complaint make :wink: From what I see we're all trying to learn from the past and move into the future... let's all try not to be so darn sensitive :bandit: Vicki |
You're right, I may be a bit too sensitive. Either way I fully support Jeff's suggestion to bring the fight here... no sense having it in two places.
Better yet, let's just fight via email. Can't we just use these forum to organize the fight against the greenies?
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Absolutely! I remember a time when we shouted down an alleged turtle expert (way back when in Palm Springs). Those are the things we need to get back to.
Vicki
I have said this both to Vicki and Grant, whom I both respect and admire. I have spoken to them on personal levels about their feelings towards one another, and about the orgs. they spearhead. Both of these individuals, work tirelessly for what they beleive in, thus nobody should criticize the intent they have in their heart. They have devoted more time and money than just about anyone who posts.
I thank you, for all you do, to many times we get caught up in little wars, and forget the big picture. Mistakes will be made, misunderstandings will be taken personally. So many posts from people who only stir the pot, yet when the call goes out for volunteers, NO RESPONSE. There are alot of very good wonderful individuals out there, we love our dunes. Don't let words that will destruct on these boards. For those who have gripes and complaints email the individual, talk about your diffrences and and if need be agree to disagree.
The person you are fighting wit, maybe the person to save your ass in the dunes!!!
I thank you, for all you do, to many times we get caught up in little wars, and forget the big picture. Mistakes will be made, misunderstandings will be taken personally. So many posts from people who only stir the pot, yet when the call goes out for volunteers, NO RESPONSE. There are alot of very good wonderful individuals out there, we love our dunes. Don't let words that will destruct on these boards. For those who have gripes and complaints email the individual, talk about your diffrences and and if need be agree to disagree.
The person you are fighting wit, maybe the person to save your ass in the dunes!!!
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Only criticizing their actions.
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That was supposed to be the plan. Right Grant?
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Next time Grant, keep it private LIKE YOU ASKED EVERYONE ELSE. <edited by myself due to a warrented but unnecessary personal attack>
ALWAYS SOMEONE WHO NEEDS TO GET THE LAST WORD IN,,,,
Did I make some mistakes the last couple days ? OH HELL YES!!!
Will I make more mistakes ? I will try not to ,but HELL YES I WILL!!!
Is The Fight bigger than anyone of us? OH HELL YES !!!
Damn the Greenies Lets fight them not each other!!!!
Thanks FNG for a dose of reality!!!
Will I make more mistakes ? I will try not to ,but HELL YES I WILL!!!
Is The Fight bigger than anyone of us? OH HELL YES !!!
Damn the Greenies Lets fight them not each other!!!!
Thanks FNG for a dose of reality!!!
Fair enough. Peace.
so.........how bout them yankees? 
The Yanks suck.
This shows how deeply passionate we all are about what we love, and it is very inspiring, something the other side knows nothing about. These disputes have come about in the past, and we have grown stronger because of them, and we will from this one. FNG, well said, and it is McScrappbook bound.
Slap has learned that the enviro's will never go to a clean up nor make any attempt to help us create a positive image of ourselves in any way shape or form. Slap, along with many of you, have worked hard attempting to create a positive image, and it seems that only we (actual off-roaders) are the ones that recognize it. Do the enviro's want us to succeed in this area? Not a chance. They will do everything they can to keep closed what is closed and work diligently to close more as they use libel to defame us. Yes it hurts us inside, because we know we are good people and care more about what we do and our environment then they ever will. But because we ride OHV's, we are bad no matter what we say or do. The only thing they want out of Glamis is closure, even though not one of them has stepped foot on her. They know nothing about what it means to us, nor will they ever know. BUT, we can't give up trying to show them. They will someday understand the passion we have, and they will respect it because we will demand it. We as duners have worked very hard to educate ourselves, all the while growing ulcers in our bellies because of the never ending stress handed down through environmental rhetoric and their influence on the higher power.
There are no favorites here at GD.com, only Mother Glamis. ASA, Duners, and all other orgs involved in the fight, thank you so much. Yes, when the Pastor came to Slap with his idea about this forum, it's design was to be open and honest with information regarding the TRT functions. Feel free to bring it here.
Slap has been around for awhile and has witnessed quite a bit of change within our community; many reasons for the change is from outside sources. However, Slap's biggest concern is the closure stakes and always has been. We have fought strong, and Slap is proud. However, the closure stakes are still standing with no removal in sight, the fees have gone up, and enviro's are now studying the closed areas with the full intent to close more. Success? In many ways we have succeeded through educating and informing our growing community. But, are we to accept what is given us, and feel that because there haven't been any more closures a success? To some it could mean that, but not to Slappy. Success is when the closure stakes are removed, and anybody and everybody with an off-road vehicle has access to all of the now closed areas of the Algodones Sand Dunes.
Slap has learned that the enviro's will never go to a clean up nor make any attempt to help us create a positive image of ourselves in any way shape or form. Slap, along with many of you, have worked hard attempting to create a positive image, and it seems that only we (actual off-roaders) are the ones that recognize it. Do the enviro's want us to succeed in this area? Not a chance. They will do everything they can to keep closed what is closed and work diligently to close more as they use libel to defame us. Yes it hurts us inside, because we know we are good people and care more about what we do and our environment then they ever will. But because we ride OHV's, we are bad no matter what we say or do. The only thing they want out of Glamis is closure, even though not one of them has stepped foot on her. They know nothing about what it means to us, nor will they ever know. BUT, we can't give up trying to show them. They will someday understand the passion we have, and they will respect it because we will demand it. We as duners have worked very hard to educate ourselves, all the while growing ulcers in our bellies because of the never ending stress handed down through environmental rhetoric and their influence on the higher power.
There are no favorites here at GD.com, only Mother Glamis. ASA, Duners, and all other orgs involved in the fight, thank you so much. Yes, when the Pastor came to Slap with his idea about this forum, it's design was to be open and honest with information regarding the TRT functions. Feel free to bring it here.
Slap has been around for awhile and has witnessed quite a bit of change within our community; many reasons for the change is from outside sources. However, Slap's biggest concern is the closure stakes and always has been. We have fought strong, and Slap is proud. However, the closure stakes are still standing with no removal in sight, the fees have gone up, and enviro's are now studying the closed areas with the full intent to close more. Success? In many ways we have succeeded through educating and informing our growing community. But, are we to accept what is given us, and feel that because there haven't been any more closures a success? To some it could mean that, but not to Slappy. Success is when the closure stakes are removed, and anybody and everybody with an off-road vehicle has access to all of the now closed areas of the Algodones Sand Dunes.
I appreciate FNG's post.
I will only give a short thing here;
Growing up in my family was brutal. If my brothers or I had a problem with each other, we fought. Some were bloody. We would literally go outside and try to kick each other's butts!
But, just let someone from "outside" interfer with us and we would turn as one and fight back against a common enemy.
This is the way I see this. Voltaire said "Enemies of my enemies are my friends."
I will only give a short thing here;
Growing up in my family was brutal. If my brothers or I had a problem with each other, we fought. Some were bloody. We would literally go outside and try to kick each other's butts!
But, just let someone from "outside" interfer with us and we would turn as one and fight back against a common enemy.
This is the way I see this. Voltaire said "Enemies of my enemies are my friends."
[quote]For those who have gripes and complaints email the individual, talk about your diffrences and and if need be agree to disagree.[/quote]
Good advice, which I tried to follow.
Grant, it appears you have my email accounts blocked or there is a problem with your email server.
Vicki
Good advice, which I tried to follow.
Grant, it appears you have my email accounts blocked or there is a problem with your email server.
Vicki
Vicki my email is fine and I don't have anyone blocked. I could'nt figure out how to block anyone if I wanted to. I have not received any mail from you.
Funcobig5@aol.com
Funcobig5@aol.com
I will try again, but I sent the first from GlamisFlyers, it bounced back, I checked the address and sent it again but from my DUNERS address and when that bounced back I sent it from here on this board, which would have come to you from Slappy. That one didn't bounce back to me, but may have bounced back to Slappy.
I'll give it another try.
Vicki
I'll give it another try.
Vicki
Nothing bouncing back this time. All's well.
Vicki
Vicki
I'm just curious , did vickie and the "duners" site spawn out of an ASA argument ?.Maybe she didnt get her way ?. Yeh, the same vickie that went to a congressional hearing in SD with orange hair ?, nice move!. No wonder Filner wouldnt give you the time of day !. ( I know, you were just making a statement )
No Swark, that's not how it happened. A number of very strong ASA supporters were having differences of opinions on the direction the ASA was taking, as well as how they were handling certain dune issues. We were told that if we didn't like they way things were run, we should start our own organization.
And so we did.
And goodness me I was oh so disappointed that Filner-I-wish-I-was-Boxer didn't stop to chat. When I think of it now I'm sure it was my hair color and not my political preferences that made him act so rudely. I guess if I'd been a brunette he would have listened longer :mrgreen:
Did get a nice letter from him though, suggesting that we should get together to discuss our mutual goals. That too probably has nothing to do with political views... I'm sure he just wants my hair dresser's number :shock:
Vicki
And so we did.
And goodness me I was oh so disappointed that Filner-I-wish-I-was-Boxer didn't stop to chat. When I think of it now I'm sure it was my hair color and not my political preferences that made him act so rudely. I guess if I'd been a brunette he would have listened longer :mrgreen:
Did get a nice letter from him though, suggesting that we should get together to discuss our mutual goals. That too probably has nothing to do with political views... I'm sure he just wants my hair dresser's number :shock:
Vicki
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Yeh, the same vickie that went to a congressional hearing in SD with orange hair ?, nice move!. No wonder Filner wouldnt give you the time of day !. ( I know, you were just making a statement )
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Usually your posts are intelligent and meaningful.
That statement about Vicki's hair is unworthy of you.
Yeh, the same vickie that went to a congressional hearing in SD with orange hair ?, nice move!. No wonder Filner wouldnt give you the time of day !. ( I know, you were just making a statement )
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Usually your posts are intelligent and meaningful.
That statement about Vicki's hair is unworthy of you.
After reading all the posts here, thanks Slappy and FNG for the most obvious to me: One goal, starting today, working together to accomplish our goal. Keep Glamis Open. And hopefully all will remember too, what you're doing is appreciated. Sometimes frustration sets in and we lose focus and fight. But washroad said it best also: We might fight amongst ourselves but lord help those who try and fight against us. Stay focused, unite, and lets win this thing. Also, a little reminder.....Pack it in, pack it out. Peace
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We might fight amongst ourselves but lord help those who try and fight against us.
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We might fight amongst ourselves but lord help those who try and fight against us.
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Sorry Vickie!. Its just one of those things that bugged me a little since the meeting. A little diplomacy can go a long way with politicians cant it ?.
signed : frustrated duner.
signed : frustrated duner.
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chef
its not just about glamis :wink:
Spooner, it should be. DUNERS sure wishes it would be. It's hard to stay focused on the fight against the anti-access bad guys when the are arrows coming from within the community.
Swark, the words I exchanged with Filner were as a citizen to a legislator and were said with as much diplomacy as the situation dictated. They were not shouted, they were not insulting and they were not deserving of his reaction. Obviously even he has had second thoughts about the encounter, as his conciliatory letter indicates.
If you are remembering less gentile words, perhaps you are thinking of someone else; I recall a rather vocal group interrupting his TV interview immediately following our exchange.
And I'm still puzzled over what my hair could possibly have to do with politics, but for the record it has always been long, always been curly and has always varied between very dark to very bright red. But it has never been orange (maybe I'll give that a try next).
Vicki
Swark, the words I exchanged with Filner were as a citizen to a legislator and were said with as much diplomacy as the situation dictated. They were not shouted, they were not insulting and they were not deserving of his reaction. Obviously even he has had second thoughts about the encounter, as his conciliatory letter indicates.
If you are remembering less gentile words, perhaps you are thinking of someone else; I recall a rather vocal group interrupting his TV interview immediately following our exchange.
And I'm still puzzled over what my hair could possibly have to do with politics, but for the record it has always been long, always been curly and has always varied between very dark to very bright red. But it has never been orange (maybe I'll give that a try next).
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Searingly bright at times. Thankfully I have 1000000 sunblock and really dark shades.
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Yikes! :shock:
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First the sprinkles remark and now this???? :ninja:
Vicki
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