Full Version: Blm Took Our Quads!
Its late and i am headed to bed, hope all works out. Please post and let me know if you get your bikes back?
QUOTE (charred1 @ Feb 23 2008, 08:02 PM) 
It's funny how when a story like this comes out on this site, you get a bunch of "holier than now" peeps who have nothing better to post than to tell you how you fricked up. Anyways, sorry to hear of your misfortunes at Gordon's and hopefully everything works out.
Yeah and who among them hasn't swilled 2 beers on an empty stomach spectating at the drags only to hop behind the wheel of their rail to head back to camp and the dinner bell. May not be legally drunk but impaired nonetheless.....and a lawbreaker in case an accident happens.
QUOTE (Rojo Grande' @ Feb 19 2008, 03:43 PM)
Let's try this...................your beloved hill shooter gets stolen and you report it to COP A from where ever you live/it was stolen from. You don't have a VIN so he can't enter it into the stolen vehicle system (Computer).
Two weeks later CROOK shows up at the hill with "Your" hill shooter. COP B (Doesn't know COP A), from wherever he might might work out of, lets say BLM to make things easy, contacts CROOK and asks for reg or at least a VIN to show proof of ownership. CROOK and his buddies spin a big story explaining why they don't have either (and might even sound convincing). COP B has no way to verify the hill shooter is "Yours" and/or stolen because it wasn't entered into the system.
COP B should;
A: Tell CROOK he can't ride here without reg and VIN and send him on his way. (With "Your" hill shooter)
B: Cite CROOK for no reg or VIN and again, send him on his way. (With "Your" hill shooter)
or
C: Cite CROOK and impound "Your" hill shooter. That way he forces CROOK to show up and prove "Your" hill shooter is his (Which he won't) and he gives the detectives a chance to figure out the bike is "Yours" and get it back to you.
By the way, in scenario A and B neither you nor the cops will ever see "Your" hill shooter again.
Now before everyone starts jumping on me, I understand the first reason for verifying registration is so the state gets their money. I get pissed everytime my registration comes due but that's the price I pay to live and play in California.
But if it was your toy (And there are more than a few people on here missing toys) I would think you would be happy to get it back after a "BS Registration contact" and cite.
It sucks when it is "Your" stuff getting taken away from you and impounded but that is the reason!
I AM HOLIER THAN THOW! Thou shalt not operate unregistered vehicles or they will be confiscated 
Thanks for sharing. Sucks that it happened that way, but as others have said, it is the law, and ingnorance is not defense. I was told that to ride in Glamis, or anywhere in the ISDRA you now need to have your registration and your license with you. I carry a plastic bag in my tool bag that has a copy of both on my bike. I would now try to get information on the laws of other states before taking my toys out there.
Having been a victim of theft - Checking the VINs to me is a good thing when registration is not there. Its a dis-service to all of us if they dont check the VINs where there is question.
Your case sucks. You got the bad end of the enforcement stick. Proving ownership is as simple as having the papers showing just that in court anyways. Sucks you have to go to court about it and I hope it all works out.
We had a bike get grounded at a summer night ride. Could not produce the reg paperwork - they said if it left camp, they would impound it. We were mad they didnt actually run the VIN on it to prove it wasnt stolen. Bike was stock.
regardless - it pays to have your vehicles up to code in the paperwork department as seen here. Its as simple as taking the bike to the DMV and going through the process. They check to make sure everything is legit and not listed as stolen. If your bikes did have an altered VIN - your going to run into trouble there as well.
Your case sucks. You got the bad end of the enforcement stick. Proving ownership is as simple as having the papers showing just that in court anyways. Sucks you have to go to court about it and I hope it all works out.
We had a bike get grounded at a summer night ride. Could not produce the reg paperwork - they said if it left camp, they would impound it. We were mad they didnt actually run the VIN on it to prove it wasnt stolen. Bike was stock.
regardless - it pays to have your vehicles up to code in the paperwork department as seen here. Its as simple as taking the bike to the DMV and going through the process. They check to make sure everything is legit and not listed as stolen. If your bikes did have an altered VIN - your going to run into trouble there as well.
QUOTE (casualrider033 @ Feb 27 2008, 07:58 AM)
I AM HOLIER THAN THOW! Thou shalt not operate unregistered vehicles or they will be confiscated
Thats funny!
I have a slightly different take on this...
One has to ask... "Has the BLM/IVS decided to target drag bikes for sound and reg?"
And if they are then I'd have to say ... "bullshiat".
But then we pretty much saw this comming when they started beefing up the sound laws and when the IVS started getting state grants with "stipulations" attached to them such as... "You can have this state money as long as you start writing reg and sound tickets"...
Look, should you have had registration? sure. Is this a pile of governmental bullshiat designed to prevent people from building their own OHV's... you bet your ass....
One has to ask... "Has the BLM/IVS decided to target drag bikes for sound and reg?"
And if they are then I'd have to say ... "bullshiat".
But then we pretty much saw this comming when they started beefing up the sound laws and when the IVS started getting state grants with "stipulations" attached to them such as... "You can have this state money as long as you start writing reg and sound tickets"...
Look, should you have had registration? sure. Is this a pile of governmental bullshiat designed to prevent people from building their own OHV's... you bet your ass....
QUOTE (t-tate @ Feb 17 2008, 05:19 PM)
If what you say is true that they did not even check the other two bikes then you were targeted. They were probably 100% sure that you had no vin on the two they checked and were just waiting for you to take them off the trailer. It is your responsibility to know the law and be prepared but none the less In my opinion you were targeted and probably for the reasons you stated --hill shooters =bad rep. Good luck with your hearing--hope you get it resolved.
What he said
Well folks we got our quads back last Friday, hats off to Califonia Highway Patrol. Their office showed true professionalism from start to the end. Returned phone calls asap and never showed there authority over the phone, they talked to you down to earth and understood our problem and helped 100%.
As far as the quads BLM put them in a hole in the wall wrecking yard that had nothing to do with thier headquarters like we were told they were going. We had to knock on a trailer house and wake up some drunk to open the gate to get our quads. Two weeks our quads sat outside next to dogs jumping on them and who knows what else, this has showed me that BLM honestly had no right taken our quads, they are just paid security guards that are watching land and that's it. In the summer time they don't have nothing to do but get pumped up for October and issue bullsh*t tickets rather than watching people riding in the enclosers by Pattton and ticketing people there were you shouldn't be riding.
Voicing my opinion here on this thread because BLM reads these forums, harsh words but your department deserves it. Sand dune community if you get pulled over by CHP show them true respect no matter what, they are honestly on our side after all this drama. If you see BLM red and blues behind you, in my opinion I would head for the hills! Nothing good will happen but a fat ticket and skinny wallet. Everyone take your time and prepare yourself for whatever because thier Department has turned into the eye in the sky and we all have to watch out for every little thing we do, it's black and white and they will get you for it. They are fun-hatters. Oh and I didn't have to go to court to get the quads either like I was told by BLM so that saved me a couple of months of storage fees!
As far as the quads BLM put them in a hole in the wall wrecking yard that had nothing to do with thier headquarters like we were told they were going. We had to knock on a trailer house and wake up some drunk to open the gate to get our quads. Two weeks our quads sat outside next to dogs jumping on them and who knows what else, this has showed me that BLM honestly had no right taken our quads, they are just paid security guards that are watching land and that's it. In the summer time they don't have nothing to do but get pumped up for October and issue bullsh*t tickets rather than watching people riding in the enclosers by Pattton and ticketing people there were you shouldn't be riding.
Voicing my opinion here on this thread because BLM reads these forums, harsh words but your department deserves it. Sand dune community if you get pulled over by CHP show them true respect no matter what, they are honestly on our side after all this drama. If you see BLM red and blues behind you, in my opinion I would head for the hills! Nothing good will happen but a fat ticket and skinny wallet. Everyone take your time and prepare yourself for whatever because thier Department has turned into the eye in the sky and we all have to watch out for every little thing we do, it's black and white and they will get you for it. They are fun-hatters. Oh and I didn't have to go to court to get the quads either like I was told by BLM so that saved me a couple of months of storage fees!
QUOTE (pap @ Mar 7 2008, 03:08 PM)
Well folks we got our quads back last Friday, hats off to Califonia Highway Patrol. Their office showed true professionalism from start to the end. Returned phone calls asap and never showed there authority over the phone, they talked to you down to earth and understood our problem and helped 100%.
As far as the quads BLM put them in a hole in the wall wrecking yard that had nothing to do with thier headquarters like we were told they were going. We had to knock on a trailer house and wake up some drunk to open the gate to get our quads. Two weeks our quads sat outside next to dogs jumping on them and who knows what else, this has showed me that BLM honestly had no right taken our quads, they are just paid security guards that are watching land and that's it. In the summer time they don't have nothing to do but get pumped up for October and issue bullsh*t tickets rather than watching people riding in the enclosers by Pattton and ticketing people there were you shouldn't be riding.
Voicing my opinion here on this thread because BLM reads these forums, harsh words but your department deserves it. Sand dune community if you get pulled over by CHP show them true respect no matter what, they are honestly on our side after all this drama. If you see BLM red and blues behind you, in my opinion I would head for the hills! Nothing good will happen but a fat ticket and skinny wallet. Everyone take your time and prepare yourself for whatever because thier Department has turned into the eye in the sky and we all have to watch out for every little thing we do, it's black and white and they will get you for it. They are fun-hatters. Oh and I didn't have to go to court to get the quads either like I was told by BLM so that saved me a couple of months of storage fees!
As far as the quads BLM put them in a hole in the wall wrecking yard that had nothing to do with thier headquarters like we were told they were going. We had to knock on a trailer house and wake up some drunk to open the gate to get our quads. Two weeks our quads sat outside next to dogs jumping on them and who knows what else, this has showed me that BLM honestly had no right taken our quads, they are just paid security guards that are watching land and that's it. In the summer time they don't have nothing to do but get pumped up for October and issue bullsh*t tickets rather than watching people riding in the enclosers by Pattton and ticketing people there were you shouldn't be riding.
Voicing my opinion here on this thread because BLM reads these forums, harsh words but your department deserves it. Sand dune community if you get pulled over by CHP show them true respect no matter what, they are honestly on our side after all this drama. If you see BLM red and blues behind you, in my opinion I would head for the hills! Nothing good will happen but a fat ticket and skinny wallet. Everyone take your time and prepare yourself for whatever because thier Department has turned into the eye in the sky and we all have to watch out for every little thing we do, it's black and white and they will get you for it. They are fun-hatters. Oh and I didn't have to go to court to get the quads either like I was told by BLM so that saved me a couple of months of storage fees!
dammmmmmmmm...thats f'd up for sure. glad ya got your stuff back. i hope its not too messed up!!!
Congrats on getting your stuff back
QUOTE (Rojo Grande' @ Feb 19 2008, 04:43 PM)
Let's try this...................your beloved hill shooter gets stolen and you report it to COP A from where ever you live/it was stolen from. You don't have a VIN so he can't enter it into the stolen vehicle system (Computer).
Two weeks later CROOK shows up at the hill with "Your" hill shooter. COP B (Doesn't know COP A), from wherever he might might work out of, lets say BLM to make things easy, contacts CROOK and asks for reg or at least a VIN to show proof of ownership. CROOK and his buddies spin a big story explaining why they don't have either (and might even sound convincing). COP B has no way to verify the hill shooter is "Yours" and/or stolen because it wasn't entered into the system.
COP B should;
A: Tell CROOK he can't ride here without reg and VIN and send him on his way. (With "Your" hill shooter)
B: Cite CROOK for no reg or VIN and again, send him on his way. (With "Your" hill shooter)
or
C: Cite CROOK and impound "Your" hill shooter. That way he forces CROOK to show up and prove "Your" hill shooter is his (Which he won't) and he gives the detectives a chance to figure out the bike is "Yours" and get it back to you.
By the way, in scenario A and B neither you nor the cops will ever see "Your" hill shooter again.
Now before everyone starts jumping on me, I understand the first reason for verifying registration is so the state gets their money. I get pissed everytime my registration comes due but that's the price I pay to live and play in California.
But if it was your toy (And there are more than a few people on here missing toys) I would think you would be happy to get it back after a "BS Registration contact" and cite.
It sucks when it is "Your" stuff getting taken away from you and impounded but that is the reason!
Glad you got your stuff back, now make it legal and you won't get hassled!
congrats on gettin them back, was there any damage done to the quads?? If so whos responsible for that??
Glad you got them back. Hats off to CHP for helping. Sounds like same shit hole storage - impound yard or whatever the BLM wants to call it I mentioned in another reply. Remind us all to keep are registrations handy and hope they actually recover some of our GD family members stolen quads not just end up harrassing us and issuing BS tickets.
If they confiscate and impound your vehicle?
Do they have to give you a receipt?
Do they have to give you a receipt?
QUOTE (The Pastor @ Feb 28 2008, 07:01 PM)
I have a slightly different take on this...
One has to ask... "Has the BLM/IVS decided to target drag bikes for sound and reg?"
And if they are then I'd have to say ... "bullshiat".
But then we pretty much saw this comming when they started beefing up the sound laws and when the IVS started getting state grants with "stipulations" attached to them such as... "You can have this state money as long as you start writing reg and sound tickets"...
Look, should you have had registration? sure. Is this a pile of governmental bullshiat designed to prevent people from building their own OHV's... you bet your ass....
One has to ask... "Has the BLM/IVS decided to target drag bikes for sound and reg?"
And if they are then I'd have to say ... "bullshiat".
But then we pretty much saw this comming when they started beefing up the sound laws and when the IVS started getting state grants with "stipulations" attached to them such as... "You can have this state money as long as you start writing reg and sound tickets"...
Look, should you have had registration? sure. Is this a pile of governmental bullshiat designed to prevent people from building their own OHV's... you bet your ass....
I don't think they have a problem with people building quads. They have a problem not getting "their" money.
hell, an impound yard my old honda civic sat in had a 3k plus stereo system stolen out of it while it was in impound......
Glad you got your quads back
EFF the BLM
EFF the BLM
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