I currently own a '05 FK2100 WW Superlight. This next season I will be looking for a new trailer. I am looking for something in the 25-26' range with a front sleeper that I can continue to pull with my 1500 GMC.

I am looking for reviews from those of you that have actually owned or used any of the current light weight trailers out there. I have had so many issues with my WW that I WILL NOT purchase WW again. I don't know if I would take a free one, that is how disgusted I am with the pile of garbage I own. That being said, I have looked at the following:

Extreme MegaLights: Nice, but the fact that WW owns 1/2 of the company scares me.
Fleetwood Nitrous: Very nice, however have heard of some issues, dont like non ducted AC
Attitude/ Stellar: Nice, but have heard varying reviews

Others? PLease give me all info you can give!

I think ive told you my thoughts on the whole trailer thing already before, but if not here it is again......

ALL of them that role off the assembly lines today are made like crap....cheaper wood .....missing screws and fasteners .....uneven flooring ......plastic everything. People are blinded on the showroom floors by the "new features" like designer light switches, cheap leather, ceiling fans and electric toilet paper dispencers. Toy haulers became so popular so fast over the last 4 or 5 years that good ol QC could not keep up with the consumer demands. These days it seems like they are all made by the same manufacturer that makes IKEA furniture (if youve ever bought anything from IKEA you'd understand my analogy).

I had a 2000 Carson Fun Runner before I had my FS2600 WW, and that thing may have been ugly....but it was like a Leatherman, rock solid and everything in it worked evertime. I have actually been relatively lucky with my Warrior so far. I may have caught the tail end of the good QC process before the last of that crew was fired and replaced with day laborers from Home Depot.

Try and find a nice and clean used 2002-2004 FS model. You'll be able to save yourself a little cheese too. Don't let them blind you with all their dealer financing hoopla and incentives down at the trailer store. Hell, my credit Union will finance you at around 8% up to 144 months as long as the trailer is new than 1999.

Recently purchased a 2008 Ragen FK2100 Xtralite. Formerly had a an 06 WW FS2300 superlite.

I can tell you the quality of the Ragen is significantly superior.

Stronger frame, better quality component parts, better tires, better quality interior (fabric, seat foam, powerdown bed design, cabinets, shower enclosure, etc), higher liquid capacities (fuel, grey & black), metal seat and bed frames versus WW's wood/lag screw designs, routing and ground clearance of plumbing of dump tanks, better converter with 3 stage automatic battery charger, etc.

Very happy with the Ragen so far. Not one problem to date after lots of towed miles and usage.

Couldn't say enough about my KZ. Quality and price are top notch.

WW owns 1/2 of Extreme MegaLights? I did not know that. Learn something new every day.

Tahoe makes a really nice 26 FS you might want to look at

i think anything over 23' with a halfton is toying with danger... I would upgrade the truck before i upgraded the hauler or thought about trying to tow 26' with a 1/2 ton

Sorry to hear you wont be looking at the WW. I have a 25' Superlite with the front sleeper and have no real issues that you wouldnt have on any other rig.

Doesn't WW own Ragen?

You won't be able to handle anything over a 23 footer with a 1/2 ton. Why only upgrade 2 feet, get a bigger truck and get what you will need in 3 years, not tomorrow.

WW does own about 50% of Ragen.

But Ragen has their own manufacturing plant, management team, employees, product line, etc.

For all intensive purposes, they are seperate companies

50% ?? Are you sure about that? Who owns the other 50%?

I am pretty sure WW owns 100% of Rage'n.

They own a part of Extreme. Extreme used to be made in Idaho, I think they have some interesting floor plans. They are separate from WW. Look at Skyline, not sure what their Toy Hauler Line is now, it used to be Rampage. KZ makes a good trailer, but not sure if them make a Lite version.

Check out this link for all of the Links to all of the Manufacturers:

http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseacti...id/16259414.cfm

Check them all out, then go with the floorplan you like the best. They all have problems, do not take ownership until everyhting is built to your satisfaction.

I was waiting for that.. How ya doin Shawn?

Since they are both privately owned companies, no one (except the insiders) really knows what the ownership %'s are.

To me the bottom line is they are made in different plants using different mgmt teams, construction methods, layouts, employees, etc.

After owning, using, and crawling around in and underneath each, I think the Ragen is a better built trailer. At lease in the ligher weight toyhauler product category.

The Ragen has been perfect so far.

The Weekend Warrior we had the following issues: Leaky roof, sagging roof, leaky plumbing, generator problems, fuel station problems, couch seat frame issues, inaccurate ULV weight ratings, shorted out trailer lights, and others I cannot remember.

I have towed the Nitruos 26' hyperlite with my truck as a test tow. It did fine. The actual dry weight of the 26' nitruos vs my 21' WW is only about 500lbs heavier. (assuming the weights are somewhat correct) I have no issues with towing it with my 1500. I store it at dunes edge the whole season so it sees two full trips. Anything can happen, i know. But for now, a new truck is out of the question.

Sounds like mine. Fun times right there. I have the propane, stove, generator all go out one weekend. Then the couch fell off the wall to top it off. Called the weekend warrior service line. They did everything in their power to not show up to fix it. They never came out and told me they were too BUSY. As I said, WW will never get anymore of my money.

PDR

Going on a year with my Sandpiper Sport and no problems whatsoever...

My 23' NRG is Great! No problems. My F-150 pulls it just fine but I wouldnt go any bigger without getting a bigger truck!

+1 I tow my Fleetwood Redline 230fs with my F-150 and couldnt imagine towing anything bigger.

Of course WW owns lots of other hauler manufacturers. Have you seen the price of those things? My research has shown other manufacturers have the same or better products for less. Don't buy a name. Buy quality. There is nothing on a Warrior you can't get in another manufacturers product no matter what the sponsors of this site say.

What brands are you suggesting have the better products for less?

PDR

I guess that was directed towards me.

Its all good.

IMHO The WW had the best options and the quality in all the 5vrs we looked at. I have not looked at anything newer then a 2006 so I have to limit my opinion to those years. If I went to buy one today I would look long and hard at all the brands and ask the questions here to see what people are saying....With a grain of salt. I love my WW but could not afford one at todays prices and would not buy it from Giant RV Never again

My 2 cents

We went with the Extreme Megalite 23LT and love it... after we bought it we upgraded the truck so we wish now that we got a bigger toy hauler. But the Megalites are built a lot like the Superlites from WW at half the price.

LOL. No HI, It was not "directed" at you. You have every right to promote and sell your wares. And I applaud you for not getting too bent when others give opposing opinions. I just support being well informed.

Unfortunately, I sorta agree with you. i think WW focuses the quality on their pricey coaches and leaves the cheaper models to fall apart at a whim. This is unfortunate in my opinion.

I may just have to buy a new truck and upgrade to a full trailer to get the quality I want. I have been looking at ll the options and none impress me. All the companies I have looked at short cut on multiple items with their "lite" trailers, all different items though. If I could combine what I like from each "Lite" option, then I would have it. Oh well.

We HAD a 2007 WW 22' FB Superlite,Billit Interior.......OUR'S was a pile of S***. It spent more time at WW than anywhere else. You name it...
A)Roof leaks that they could not fix even after 3 visits.....I found out it had a cpappy built roof that would not seal no matter how much.....
B)Wheel bearings went out by Banning in less than 9 months of age. $$$ to get it home by low boy simi.
C)Don't ask me about the wireing problems...
D)All kinds of water leaks in the plumbing...toilet,shower...
E)Tounge was bent.
F)and LOT'S LOT'S more...........I can keep going on and on.....

Now we have a trailer by Thor...TheVortex......ALOT more simple than the WW but a 100,000,000,000,000,000 times HAPPIER.
However I do know of a couple (2) of happy WW owners.
Also stay away from the lite models.

<----Happy WW Superlight owner, Except for some tire issue's and you can't blame WW for that but some might. I will buy another WW if and when the time comes but this time it will have 16" wheels ,Thats where most of my problems came from 15" tires that is.

i dont have a light ww trailer. i have a ww disgusting fat body heavy trailer!! lol.. and i love it.

however, my friend and his wife have a fs2300. want to say its an 04 model. not one single issue, other than the generator at one time. ww dont make the generator. onan does. all good for them. they are very happy with theirs, other than its now too small for what they have to haul around. if they had the cash, they would buy a new 09 fsc 3200. they love that model.

also, i have 2 more friends with the carson lite models. titan's, i think they are 19 and 21 feet long. 03 and 04 models. zero issues with them as well, with the exception of a 12v convertor in one went out. again, carson dont make them either. another friend bought a carson fun runner about the same time. no problems as well, but the fun runner is far from light weight.

the appliances and components are essentially all made by a handfull of mfgs. its all up to the trailer mfg's to assemble and piece everything together in a proper fashion. that is where the issues come in.

i also have another friend with a keystone hauler. the ones before the raptor's. they would just assume light that thing on fire, a serious pos for them.

the list goes on..

take all this with a grain of salt. the ww mechanics are not sitting around polishing their tools all day. neither are carsons, fleetwood's, keystones, etc. just like ford, chevy, dodge.

Sounds like most Warrior owners have experienced very similar problems. Most of those listed here are problems I had with mine.

If you want quality from a "lite" toyhauler, take a close look at Ragen. Heavier than most others offering lite models but those extra pounds are found in quality of the build and materials.

Had an 06 Carson Funrunner/titan and had zero issues with it.

I agree. I have a 23' Nitrous Hyperlite and pulled it all season with my 1500 Silverado. It towed fine on the 10 freeway when level, but the Cajon Pass and any other grades was a nightmare on the truck. The trans especially. Going down the grades was white knuckle job also. I just upgraded to a 08' crew cab 2500 Silverado with the Duramax/Allison and engine brake. It is a night and day difference and I now realize what a safety issue I was prior w/the 1500. I would not go any bigger then a 23' lite with a half ton and even then I would try not to haul the water until I got to where I was headed. I think anything bigger and you are going to looking at some miserable tow experiences. Keep your weight distributed properly, tire pressure correct, go with a Prodigy brake controller, weight dist. hitch set correctly and take your time and you'll get there like everyone else.

i have a 20ft 2007 Attitude hauler, i like it, no problems (yet). the WW in the same size is 5-7k more than attitude or stellar, and in my size the WW only held 70 gal of fresh, mine holds 105 gal. that was a big selling point for me, i think bang for your buck check out stellar 23 fb models.

Those are great trailers!

I had a WW FS2300 and it was the biggest pile of crap I have ever seen.

It was literally collpasing on itself. Right in the middle of the trailer you could see the outside as the interior walls were collapsing by both the oven and the fridge. Frame was BENT! Tounge was bent up as well. Went to have the axle flipped a few years ago becasue of the low profile of the trailer. The independent trailer guy said it was the worst frame he had ever seen and refused to do it. It ate tires for lunch. Went though 6-8 tires. Tank indicator light NEVER worked so I never knew how much fresh / Grey / Black water I had. Fresh water tank decided to fall out onto the ground upon filling. Drawers used plastic slides which all broke in no time. Holes started developing on the upper side of the exterior aluminum paneling for no reason. Pilot light would never stay lit so I had to go out every morning and relight if we wanted hot water. The leaf springs they used on the trailer were severly under sized allowing the wheels to burn holes into the bottom of the trailer every time you hit a bump or dip in the road. I bought the trailer at Giant RV in Socal but live 500 miles north in Sacramento and local WW dealer refused to do any warranty service work on it because we didnt buy it direct from them. Total piece of garbage!!!

I was forced to buy a new trailer after my Thanksgiving Glamis trip this past November. Good little story here....... Leave the Friday after Turkey day with the fam to beat the crowd. Hit Colton around 8ish and see smoke out of the trailer. Pull over and find that a leaf spring finally just snapped in half. This allowed the trailer to fall right onto the tire itself. NNNIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEE.... Now I cannot move the trailer at all and it loaded with a weeks worth of camping garb, etc. Have to get a tow and its gotta be a big ole flatbed. Call for a tow and a BIG Rig tow flatbed comes out and wont hook it up becuase it would be too tall once its on the flatbed and makes it illegal by like 4" so we gotta get a "lowboy" big rig flatty . 2 hours later one show up and they get the trailer into Colton (Giant RV). Now its 3 am and the family needs sleep. The gaurd at Giant is nice enough to open the gate and let us park the trailer inside. Go back the next day to find out that the tow truck driver cracke the pipes to teh black tank upon setting it down. Merry Xmas Giant RV, I hope you enjoy the leaking full black tank in your parking lot. Good times there and what a pleasant smell. Anyway, the parts guy tells me the leaf spring isnt in stock and it will be 3 days to get. SWEET... again I am still 400+ miles from home and with a loaded trailer... Screw it I had to buy a new trailer to get home... Went to the sales dept at Giant and basically got the brushoff and "we dont have anything" response. All I sais was I wanted was a front sleeper 26-28 feet long pull behind. Not too much to ask IMO.

Wound up driving over to Mike Thompson RV and found a 26" Fleetwood Redline front sleeper.

http://www.fleetwoodrv.com/redline/

Traded in the WW ... They only gave me $6500 for it and I couldnt have been happier to be rid of that thing. I am sure I didnt get the best deal as they knew they had a captive customer who wanted to get home and not have to drive back down to LA in a week to get his trailer and gear.

Couldnt be happier with the Redline Trailer. Its so much nicer in quality and design. It seems so much mmore sturdy as well. Loved the added goodies it has. It just seems to be a well thought out layout. Its not overly fancy but it seems much higher quality. I will never buy a WW product again... They can shove it....

Sorry for the long post...

I have a 23FS Extreme Megalite, tow it with my Titan and it does great. We got the mega dinette with it, bottom bunk folds to a couch and matches up with the gouchos, seats 8!

If you would like more info PM me TL26LFS Z-gravity UVWR 6370 lbs Max GVWR 9000

XPRESS

xpress out of Hemet builds some really cool super light weight trailers.

They custom build from 14 to 30 foot models.

really slick

JB

Good looking trailer Eclipse. Got a link to more pics of the interior, specs, etc.

www.eclipservmfg.com/dev

Try that link, good info there, my only question on that trailer which is super nice is the OAL and how wide is it outside and inside? Trying to make room for a sprint car too.

The over all length of this floor plan is 24ft box 4ft tongue the over all width is 100" and the interior width is 96" and between the wheel boxes is 73"

My next trailer will be an eclipse. Love those things, hell i would go get one tomorrow if i could trade my 07 20ft titan in. I need and want a 23ft front sleeper...

We fix toyhaulers at work alot, and one of the main problems is people overloading them. Dont overload and do regular maintenance and you should be fine.

Holy Crap, someone who understands trailers. I'd say 99 out of 100 trailer failures I see in the equipment business is due to overloading.

What do you mean, this trailer has a GVW of 20K lbs. That means I can put 20K lbs on it right? No, you can put 20K lbs on it minus the weight of the trailer. It's scary how some people make it through life.

I have a FS2600 2002 weekend warrior and its been bullet proof. We maintain it every season and love it.

we tow it with a 97 2500 seburban with the 454 and its great

Good luck

Thats all fine and dandy but the problem with WW is that they advertised GVW numbers that were way higher then what in reality they should have been.... So even though you think you are staying within the limits, you are actually overloading it.... Then you get bent frames, blown tires, walls collapsing upon themselves and massive leaks and stranded families on the side of the road 500 miles from home at 2 in the morning. When you finally get it to a WW dealer (when they were around) they refused to honor the manufacturer warranty or work on it period unless you bought it from them... Funny they never advertised that in the brochure.......SCREW WW!!!! I am glad they went under...

Thats all fine and dandy but the problem with WW is that they advertised GVW numbers that were way higher then what in reality they should have been.... So even though you think you are staying within the limits, you are actually overloading it.... Then you get bent frames, blown tires, walls collapsing upon themselves and massive leaks and stranded families on the side of the road 500 miles from home at 2 in the morning. When you finally get it to a WW dealer (when they were around) they refused to honor the manufacturer warranty or work on it period unless you bought it from them... Funny they never advertised that in the brochure.......SCREW WW!!!! I am glad they went under...

I'm with you on that 100%.
Here's my story.... or the beginning of it.

We HAD a 2007 WW 22' FB Superlite,Billit Interior.......OUR'S was a pile of S***. It spent more time at WW than anywhere else. You name it...
A)Roof leaks that they could not fix even after 3 visits.....I found out it had a cpappy built roof that would not seal no matter how much.....
B)Wheel bearings went out by Banning in less than 9 months of age. $$$ to get it home by low boy simi.
C)Don't ask me about the wireing problems...
D)All kinds of water leaks in the plumbing...toilet,shower...
E)Tounge was bent.
F)and LOT'S LOT'S more...........I can keep going on and on.....

Now we have a trailer by Thor...TheVortex......ALOT more simple than the WW but a 100,000,000,000,000,000 times HAPPIER.
However I do know of a couple (2) of happy WW owners.
Also stay away from the lite models.