Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:32:29 -0600
> > >
> > >Hello Sir,
> > >
> > >The final price is $ 3200 us + money transfer comission.I will cover
>all
> > >the shipping and insurance fees and you will pay for money transfer
> > >comission.
> > >Regarding shippment and payment here are the details
> > >1. SHIPPMENT :
> > >For ship the unit I will use FedEx expres service insured.Delivery
>time 5-
> > >7 days.
> > >2. INSURANCE
> > >The package will be insured at the delivery service .If somethig
>happens on
> > >the road , you will receive the insurance from the delivery service.
> > >3. RETURN POLICY
> > >As soon as the package arrives, you will test the unit and if it does
>not
> > >matches 100% to your expectations, you will return it in max. 30 days
>since
> > >the arrival date. In this case I will send you the full amount back and
>you
> > >will send me the unit and you will pay the return shipping and
>insurance.
> > >
> > >My name and address:
> > >First name: Steve
> > >Last name: Wetzel
> > >Address: Albrechtsstraße 25 Berlin
> > >City: Berlin
> > >State: Berlin
> > >Zipp code: 10117
> > >Country: Germany
> > >After you will make the tarnsfer you must send me the following info
>(so I
> > >can verify the transfer on line):
> > >1.MTCN (money transfer control number)
> > >2.The sender's name and address
> > >3.The receiver name that you changed it
> > >3.The exact amount
> > >
> > >P.S.I have one last request from you.If you decide to
> > >make the transfer and when you will go to the western
> > >union office to wire the money sometimes they ask you
> > >why are you doing that.If you will tell them that they
> > >are for something you have bought , i will have to pay
> > >when i pick up the money a very expensive tax for
> > >makeing comerce.If they ask you that you can tell them
> > >that the money are for a relative or a friend.
> > >If you do that I will ship the ATV 's and I will mark
> > >as a gift or donation and you will not pay other taxes.
> > >I hope you understand my request.Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
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LOOK IT GETS DEEPER!!!



Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:41:13 -0600
> > >
> > >Sir,
> > >
> > >l'm a serious seller with more than 2 years of experience in this
>field.
> > >Altough it's a long email I want to explain to you all the details
> > >regarding the payment:
> > >We will arrange payment through western union(www.westernunion.com) .
> > >Below is described the method to secure the procedure:
> > >-you will make the transfer to my location but not to my name(you will
> > >use your best friends name for example as receiver's name)so you can be
> > > sure that i will not pick up the money untill you get the product.
>So
> > >you make deposit at western union and you will give me the transfer's
> > >details(SENDER NAME,RECEIVER NAME,MTCN) so i can check that the deposit
> > >was made. After i verify I will send you the product imediately and
> > >email you the tracking number from UPS. -only after you will receive
>the
> > > product and check it if it's ok you will have to change the transfer
>to
> > > my name so i can collect the payment. So untill you will have the
> > >product in your hands the money will be deposited on your best
>friend's
> > > name (or any person tou want)at western union agent.
> > >I think it is better to not inform western union that you will change
> > >the receivers name in a few days because it is possible they to ask
>you
> > > to pay the fees twice.
> > >My old buyers of course make the transfer at western union direct to my
> > >name which is easier and i will be happy if you can trust in me but
> > >because it is our first deal I proposed you this very safe and
>efficient
> > > method so you can only deposit the money first and after you get the
> > >product to allowed me to cash it.
> > >Let me know!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

Weird, but one part of it rings true: I sold something on eBay to a guy in Britain. He asked me to declare the shipment as a gift to avoid tax problems. That deal was legit.

hmmmm... almost sounds to good to be true! Someone try it an let me know

I'd suggest asking for references--past customers in the US.

A few more e-mails to this guy today and a request for a pic of the vin close up spooked him...another scam,beware its that time of year!!!

There are differences also.
One is Fed Ex, the next one is UPS. May be nothing - but its now different and with 2+ years experience - why would that get messed up. Just ODD I guess.

There are people like this in the US as well using the Cycle Trader.

My Pops once told me.. If you feel this is too good to be true.. well.. It probably is.. Saved me many times..

WELL IT WAS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE
I REPORTED THIS TO EBAY AND THE AD WAS PULLED
BEWARE.
THERE IS LOTS OF LISTING LIKE THIS ONE.

STAY AWAY!!!! This is a typical scam. It doesn't get more typical than this. Even if the western union transfer is not in his name, if he knows the name it is in, he can pull the money. WALK AWAY. This happens all the time. Western Union + foreign country ALWAYS equals scam.

If it's too good to be true, it is.

This is really common on E-bay right now, It will take about 30 seconds to find another scam just like it. The sad thing is I see people bid on those atvs.
Steve

That is the worst kind of criminal!!! Crimes against us desert folk!!! : )
How are they running a scam on Cycle trader??? Because you are right there when you buy it right?

I would have asked him to verify the bike is here before I send payment!!! Reverse what is being asked of you, the buyer onto the seller, then, the ball is in your court....he wanted to verify payment before shipping...I would have verified bike before sending payment...
the truth be told, these ATv's are very expensive in other countries because of quantity sold.....America is the heartland of competitive business....don't forget that folks.....your best deal is within the US....