A quick look at the CORVA Board of Directors on its web site shows that there is a new Southern Regional Director. This person is the very same person who resigned from that position about 1 1/2 years ago - claiming, from what I was told, to be burned out.

But wait... I don't recall this position on the ballot at the elections last Saturday.

What is up with this?

I don't know, guess I'll make that tortuous journey out to the car, see if I can find what was handed out at the meeting...TJ

Well there Mr. DUCK, I have nothing in writing on that position, if I had an extra Ballot slip in my hand it went in the box without me noticing, kind of embarrassing I'm sorry I can't be more help...TJ

All your CORVA threads and the drama they contain makes me not want to touch CORVA with a 10 foot pole.

Drama?... or just reporting things that are going on.

I guess all will have to decide.

Funny what you have to deal with to get the truth out isn't it, people that don't want to hear it label it Whining, Personal attacks, Personal agenda etc, all I can say is compare the current page to the cached page and decide for yourself...TJ

http://cache.search.yahoo-ht2.akadns.net/s...=1&.intl=us

We did not vote for any of the Regional Directors or Regional Officers on Saturday.

I didn't think so.

But this still leaves the question: How is the Southern Regional Director now someone that was never elected to the position?

My big gripe is CORVA is now useless at a very critical time, among other things what's their position going to be now on the OHMVR Regulations, Ed is dead against calls for expanding OHV grants beyond 501c3's, and after much thought so am I...TJ

I know I've made up my mind!

Yea, who will now attend the OHV Commission meetings? And what about the other OHV Division meetings that Ed was a regular at? No one has the background and perspective that Ed does when it comes to the Division/Commission.

Tom, what are you speaking of here? Is there some effort by some OHV groups to get grants from the Division other than 501c3's?

[Edited to correct spelling and add something]

First off, Arbogast's picture has been in that spot for as long as I can remember. It was never taken down.

Second, Ed retired. Someone was going to take his position anyway. Ed's history and passion isn't leaving for good. He'll still be around....just not president.

Third, I'm thrilled that Jim Woods is the new president. I am looking forward to sitting with him at the Commission meetings as well as all the other OHV meetings. Jim Woods works very well with others. Is he Waldheim, nope, and no one will ever be able to fill those shoes. But Woods is a damn good choice! That's who got my vote!

I have to say that the link Tom provided above is demonstates that Wes Hogland is the Southern Regional Director.

I really doubt Ed will have any role in CORVA. Just within the past two weeks or so, he removed his name from the Secretary of State's site for Agent for Service for "n2dirt" that has as its officers Jim Woods and Dan Allison.

And, the word I got from a few in District 37 AMA - Dual Sport about "working well with others" is VERY different than what is provided.

There is much yet to be disclosed about Mr. Woods.

[Edited to finish a thought that didn't get into the post]

In case the link expires, this is from the CORVA web site when it was crawled by Yahoo...

___________________

SOUTHERN REGION BOARD POSITIONS

SOUTHERN REGIONAL DIRECTOR:

Wes Hoagland

wes@corva.org

NON BOARD POSITIONS

Only Board positions have Voting Rights

ASSISTANT to SOUTHERN REGIONAL DIRECTOR:

Jim Arbogast
Jimarbo@aol.com
(800) 42-CORVA (ext. 502)

ASA did ask at the regulations work shop if they could also expand 501c4's into the fold, Daphne said "they'll look into it" which from my experience with her really means "go pound sand", in other words I shouldn't have bought it up it wont happen. Both me and ED responded we all ready have plenty of OHV 501c3's out there they can partner with, if they were to do that I can't begin to imagine the radical Eco groups that this would bring into the fold...TJ

Is it not interesting here that no one from the new leadership has posted what is going on with the Southern Regional Director issue? I guess we have a few hours tonight to see if they have any interest.

http://district37ama.org/forums/showthread.php?t=21864



Guess I just figured out why Daphne moved the OHMVR meeting to the 26Th, what meeting are they talking about and it appears Daphne is working to accommodate her "friends" perhaps, by the way what's D37's incorporation status???...TJ

Sorry to be so blunt Tom....but you are full of crap. The Commission meeting has been scheduled for some time, prior to any other meetings that have been scheduled. Believe me that the date isn't accomodating to any of us but we'll make due.

I really don't think D-37 is attempting to do any harm.

I've always had a great deal of respect for those guy's. Not that I've always seen them eye to eye on issues, but overall a good intended group.

I'm not, frankly you haven't been around long enough to make that call, what you demonstrated is nothing but your bias. I don't know what made you FINALLY jump on the hook, but I don't think it's not suggesting the world don't revolve around Division, since you represent the ASA why don't you tell us what kind of grants they intend to apply for. If I remember correctly it was ASA that wanted the 501c4 change, could that also be the reason there silent on the 84 positions that Division wants, because their hoping (I think foolishly) that Division will make that change?

Since you make the stand about the meeting times, I can assume you know what meeting there talking about, and as D37 is unhappy about getting left out of JV meetings I'm certain this meeting is open to everyone (right). Duck I'm sorry I don't share your confidence in D37 right now but this latest outburst, is giving me the feeling there is something more to this 501c4 issue, just what is their corporation status it would explain their over defensiveness of Division...TJ

Tom is right on this one. From the transcripts of the Dec. 6, 2007 Commission meeting:

CHAIR BRISSENDEN:
Then you don't have to worry about September, Paul. Is that fair?
So does anybody have a problem with March 6th
and 7th and June 19th and 20th?
Hearing none, so be it.

Ride on
Brewster

First off, you made a comment about something that was way off. The Commission Meeting was set for June 26th. Since there's a majority of us from various OHV Orgs are going, we've planned to meet on June 25th. Grabow's statement has nothing to do with what you are implying....some BS about Daphne and/or Division....that's why I said you were full of crap.

Next, just recently another meeting had been scheduled for June 25th. This is the Friends of JV. This meeting will be a scheduling conflict for a lot of people that planned on attending the Commission meeting and were to arrive the day before.

Finally, What in the world are you talking about??? Why do you keep bringing up C4s, Division, Grants, etc? How do you know we've been silent about the new positions? I am sorry you feel that I'm biased. I am far from it....I'm just exhausted of hearing you bringing your feelings into every topic. And I'm tired you feel Division is behind everything everyone does.


Now, as an ASA representative, the ASA currently has safety and education programs. To expand our programs, why wouldn't we be able to apply for a grant? At the meeting you and I were at, the C3 ball had already been rolling. For us, it wouldn't matter if they changed it so a C4 could apply now. BUT, for the other organization I represent, SDORC (which is a C4) who doesn't have a C3, would like to start applying for grant money for the continued work they do at Corral Canyon on restoration and trails. That is why Meg and I were asking about the C4.

Sorry Brew......you're coming in late.



Now, this topic is about CORVA. Let's get back to topic.

What I see here is the "old school" giving no props, info, or support to the "new school".

Why is it those of you who say Ed won't be around to do this or that STEP UP and DO what you think Ed would do? To me it looks like you'd rather follow, or cheer for a guy then actually attend a meeting, make a call, or write a letter, or worse yet from what I'm reading, get on a bbs and whine.

A couple of have been helping the OHV community for decades. Is this really how you want to be remembered? I'm really new in this game. There are two things I look forawrd to the most, opening areas, and passing on what I know to energetic people who want to continue the fight.

***edited for content***

Well, guys, respectfully, I would like you both to expand on these:






Ed stepped down as Pres. of CORVA. Why does this suddenly make CORVA ineffective as an .org? Both candidates for President, as well as the current BOD and those who were not elected have been at this game for some time and they all exhibited excellent qualities and credentials. Will Ed’s shoes need to be filled? Sure. Not saying it is easy, but it isn’t suddenly impossible, either. If an organization is viable, it shouldn’t suddenly collapse because one person is no longer there.

I'm not quite understanding where you are coming from here. I guess I'm part of the "old school". I have yet to be contacted by anyone from the newly elected executive Board of CORVA. If asked a question, I'd gladly provide an answer if I knew it.

Most posting to this thread have indeed done what you are looking for them to do. They have attended many meetings and written many letters and made many a call.

Offer up your services to the "new team". Offer to write more letters. I dunno... just be helpful. If your best friend, who moved next door to you moved out and a slightly younger guy with the same job, taste in beer, and was a fan of the same sports team as you moved in would you diss em and call him a useless neighbor? Ed moved out. Jim W moved in. It's the same position the job needs to be done. Your good at talking about what Ed would have done, well thendo what you think Ed would have done.

If they want (wanted) anything from me, they know full well how to get a hold of me. They have not contacted me even once since going public about running for office and asked for any help.

I only supported SOME of the things Ed has made a decision on. Many a time, Ed and I have not seen eye to eye. But I've always showed Ed the respect that he deserves. If you only had access to the emails I've been forwarded and what some in the "slate" of candidates said to or about Ed, I think your impression about some that have been elected would be different than you have now.

Heck, even Jim in his posts in the CORVA election thread (executive Board) takes shots at both me and others in the CORVA leadership. Not at all what I'd call some sort of a "reaching out" from the new to the past leadership.

To help all with this issue here of the Southern Regional Director here is the official word on this subject as from the Southern Regional Secretary.

Mr. Jim Arbogast was elected on March 18th, 2006 to the position of Southern Regional Director in San Diego. That was the last Annual Southern Region meeting where elections were held. I'm sorry but the CORVA web site only goes back to the August 2006 issue of the Off Roaders In Action (ORIA) newsletter in a PDF format. Please see here on page 21 those in the office for the Southern Region in August 2006. http://www.corva.org/ORIA/2006/ORIA%202006-08.PDF

Election results from March 2006 were announced in the July 2006 issue of the ORIA on page 4.

In February of 2007 Mr. Wes Hoagland was appointed as the Southern Regional Director by then president Ed Waldheim when Mr. Arbogast took over the duty as the CORVA representative for EcoLogic Partners and then given the title of: Assistant to the President - Legal & Legislative Issues, as found in the March 2007 ORIA newsletter.
http://www.corva.org/ORIA/2007/ORIA%202007-03.PDF

Last ORIA issue with Jim Arbogast listed as the Southern Director February 2007:
http://www.corva.org/ORIA/2007/ORIA%202007-02.PDF

Yes, Jim Arbogast did resign from this position that he was elected into. Jim Arbogast was then re-appointed on May 10th 2008 into the position due to a vacancy. Jim Arbogast was appointed to serve in this postition until the next scheduled elections by 3 of the four remaining southern region board members.

Just announced, the Southern Region Annual Meeting will be on July 13th in Anaheim. If you are a CORVA member you will receive a notice in the mail and an email if your email address is currently listed in the CORVA database. For any verification of membership or email address on record please email Wayne Berg at: membership@corva.org

If you have any further questions or comments on this matter please email me at: jimc@corva.org

Thanks,
Jim Colln
Southern Regional Secretary

According to email I've seen, Wes never resigned his current position of Southern Regional Director. So how there is a vacancy is beyond me.

I frankly don't understand this comment, please explain this...TJ

Vicky again I'm trying to understand your ranting, why I'm looking into the C4 thing, is I'm trying to make some sense of the LOVE FEST with Daphne. As far as the Meetings I took this that there was another meeting on the 25Th in Sacramento, your just overreaching in a poor attempt to discredit someone you don't want to deal with.

Who about a few strait answers:

(1) Do you support the 84 positions?

(2) Is there a meeting in Sacramento on the 25Th, Grabow's siad that day remember?

(3) What is D37's incorporation status?

Yes or no or I don't know please no more rants...TJ