LoBuck
Dec 11 2003, 10:06 PM
Fee Compliance Report
December 10, 2003
Ø Time Line
August 26, 2003 - Fee compliance meeting with BLM and TRT rep (Cricket Sankovich)
September 2003 - Completion of ISDRA Business Plan
October 2, 2003 – Completion of BLM fee compliance strategy with TRT input
October 24, 2003 – First report on implementation of fee compliance strategy (see attached)
Halloween Weekend
Continued implementation of the fee compliance plan went well. There were some technical problems with the fee machines when Central Parking left at night in the south dunes. One machine was stolen and several ran out of passes or change. Compliance and staffing at the machines has remained high. Feedback from the field staff continues to indicate the need for law enforcement at the check points in order to gain compliance.
Thanksgiving Weekend
The fee compliance system continues to go well. There were some minor problems with the fee machines. Compliance along Gecko and North Dunes ranged from 70% to 99% by staff observations . So far this year 50% of the passes sold are annual passes and the remaining 50% are weekly passes, this is up from 20% annual passes and 80% weekly passes last year.
The fee stations at Dune Buggy Flats, Gecko, and Wash Road were manned virtually 24 hours a day Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. The stations were staffed with BLM EMS, VSS, Rangers, and Central Parking contract employees. Feedback from the field staff and contractor continues to indicate the need for law enforcement at the check points in order to gain compliance.
BLM identified 10 law enforcement rangers, 60 EMS staff members, 10 VSS staff members, 13 Central Parking Employees, and 2 volunteers to work on checkpoints and go camp to camp in order to increase fee compliance (total of 95 people). Most of the above staff spent the entire weekend doing fee compliance except when responding to specific law enforcement or medical incidents.
Non-Holiday Weekends
Although fee compliance remains high (70-99% by staff observations), compliance continues to be a labor intensive activity. BLM regularly staffs 8 EMS staff members, and 2 Rangers to conduct fee compliance in addition to 6 Central Parking Employees (16 total). Feedback from the staff and Central Parking continues to indicate the need for law enforcement at the check points and at camps in order to gain compliance.
December is historically the slowest month of the visitation season. Staff have not kept check points open as long as usual due to the high level of compliance and low level of traffic, causing the check points to be an inefficient use of time. Staff normally pick up trash every weekend, but have an increased amount of trash to pick up due to the Thanksgiving weekend this month.
Other Items
BLM has implemented a pass through lanes at the check points.
Contractor has increased staffing on non-holiday weekends from 3 to 6.
Check points are set up for both in and outbound traffic.
BLM has published a federal register notice to assist in compliance. The new rule requires that visitors pay their fee immediately upon arrival at the Dunes.
Both non-holiday and holiday compliance is above target in the business plan (50% minimum).
Agreements have been made to sell passes in Brawley businesses.
Still working with Central Parking on the web site to sell season passes, near completion.
The Ogilby machine has been removed after several vandalism / theft incidents. The BLM and Central Parking will be moving the machine to a more secure location closer to Ogilby Rd. and I-8.
Summary
Over the last few months the BLM has contemplated increased non-law enforcement staffing in order to increase fee compliance. All indications from the field staff recommendations are that more law enforcement would be required in order to increase the current compliance rates. Current uniformed non-law enforcement staff (who have the same uniform as law enforcement) can not gain voluntary compliance with visitors who refuse to pay. BLM believes that adding more uniformed non-law enforcement presence (whether BLM employees, volunteers, or other types of contract employees) will not be cost effective. To increase the effectiveness of the fee compliance beyond current levels, BLM would need to add more delegated law enforcement staff. BLM feels this is not possible because we are already dedicating a substantial amount of our law enforcement staff to fee compliance on all weekends.
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Fee Compliance Report
October 24, 2003
Fee compliance strategy
o Due to Public concerns brought up during the development of the business plan, BLM developed a fee compliance team that included a member of the TRT (Cricket Sankovich). Key points of the fee compliance strategy include:
§ Increase non-holiday enforcement through checkpoints and some camp to camp patrol.
§ Law enforcement officers are required at checkpoints to be effective and safe.
§ Non-law enforcement and contractor personnel will also staff the check points.
§ Volunteers can be used to pass out information but cannot enforce the regulations or ask to see a visitors permit.
§ Law enforcement and non-law enforcement staff will work together on scheduling.
BLM’s actions and results to date.
o BLM has implemented the strategy and have seen positive results on the ground and through feedback from the TRT.
§ Fee compliance is up. On the ground employees estimate that it is approximately 60-80%. Last years estimates were between
26-41%.
§ Both the Recreation and Law Enforcement staffs are scheduling personnel on one sheet of paper to ensure good coordination on fee compliance checkpoints. We have made fee compliance one of the top priorities in the Dunes. Imperial County Sheriff’s Office Off-Highway Vehicle Enforcement Team is also kept in the loop in to ensure that there is adequate law enforcement coverage throughout the rest of the Dunes.
§ Checkpoints and camp to camp patrol have been conducted every weekend. Uniformed non-law enforcement staff members are having a difficult time informing visitors about the fee requirements due to the aggressive nature of several visitors. In several instances, they have had to leave the area and call for law enforcement back up. In some cases. BLM law enforcement Rangers have had to call the CHP, ICSO (sheriff), Yuma BLM Rangers, and BLM Rangers from the Yuha Desert area for back up to do fee enforcement.
§ Many citations have been issued for non-payment of fees. Also, there have been several vehicle pursuits due to visitors who challenge the non-law enforcement staff and run the checkpoints. An arrest has been made, vehicles have been impounded, a person has been sent to jail, and visitors have been ejected from the Recreation Area.
§ The fee collection contractor has also doubled their regular staff from three to six for the non-holiday weekends to work cooperatively with the BLM.
§ ASA has been distributing fee compliance flyers to help the BLM with our outreach efforts.
The El Centro Field Office feels that we have made considerable progress, but agrees with the TRT members and others that there are additional opportunities to explore. All actions will have to be analyzed for cost benefit because most of theses will be paid through fees.
o Hire more uniformed personnel, either law enforcement or non-law enforcement (this could potentially include private security or government employees). We will discuss this option with BLM’s new National Law Enforcement Lead and the BLM State Special Agent In Charge next week.
o Bob Ham of Imperial County has sent us a copy of the County camping ordinance for our comments in order to allow the County to help enforce fees in the Dunes. This enforcement could possibly be done with “meter maid” type staffing through the County.
The El Centro Field Office feels that we have made a significant improvement in the fee compliance rate in the Dunes; and are fully committed to continue our current efforts up to Halloween. Compliance efforts during the Halloween weekend will significantly increase through a special Ranger Enforcement task force, whose sole mission for the weekend will be fee compliance. After Halloween, we should reconvene the team, review the results, and look into other options to further improve compliance rates.
Chummin
Dec 11 2003, 11:28 PM
Intersting news.
Im confused on a bit of info though..
| QUOTE |
| Feedback from the staff and Central Parking continues to indicate the need for law enforcement at the check points and at camps in order to gain compliance. |
Does this mean they want more law enforcement or that they continue to need it?
Cause after they state a 70 to 99% compliancy - they then claim they need more officers to increase the compliancy..
| QUOTE |
| Over the last few months the BLM has contemplated increased non-law enforcement staffing in order to increase fee compliance. All indications from the field staff recommendations are that more law enforcement would be required in order to increase the current compliance rates. |
Yes at this time its denied, but I dont understand the request to begin with. Seems these are "record" numbers for compliance.
I do have to say I am not happy about the MUST have a pass to enter though. We have to buy 2 passes and often both passes are in my truck. When the wife and kids get to me, we put the pass in her car. This will cause heart ache in my eyes.
LoBuck
Dec 12 2003, 08:13 AM
| QUOTE (Chummin @ Dec 12 2003, 12:28 AM) |
Intersting news. Im confused on a bit of info though..
| QUOTE | | Feedback from the staff and Central Parking continues to indicate the need for law enforcement at the check points and at camps in order to gain compliance. |
Does this mean they want more law enforcement or that they continue to need it? Cause after they state a 70 to 99% compliancy - they then claim they need more officers to increase the compliancy..
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Yes, It means they continue to need it at the check points and camps. The BLM is saying they can't assign the the LEO's somewhere else and increase or even keep compliance rates as they are.
| QUOTE (Chummin @ Dec 12 2003, 12:28 AM) |
| QUOTE | Over the last few months the BLM has contemplated increased non-law enforcement staffing in order to increase fee compliance. All indications from the field staff recommendations are that more law enforcement would be required in order to increase the current compliance rates. |
Yes at this time its denied, but I dont understand the request to begin with. Seems these are "record" numbers for compliance. |
Is 70% "good enough"? I don't think so. Besides that 70% has not been verified yet, just an estimate. But compliance definately looks to be better than last year.
The Pastor
Dec 12 2003, 10:42 AM
Compliance is futile!!!
The Pastor
dune nazi
Dec 15 2003, 06:05 PM
HA!!!!! You guys whined and complained for it, now you got it. Big Brother WILL eat you out of house and home. Also if you quit feeding this monster you welcomed in, he will pack up all his sh*t and leave you without somewhere to ride.
The Pastor
Dec 15 2003, 06:24 PM
Pretty much what I've been trying to say for the last 5 years...
The Pastor
swark
Dec 16 2003, 12:33 AM
We all live under big brother (USA) , if you dont like it , then move !. Resistance is futile !.
Pay/play. Don't pay--- your in "non-compliance" !. YOU SUCK !!. IMHO.
Oversize valve
Dec 16 2003, 08:35 AM
Man, ya gotta read this WHOLE thing from top to bottom.
Da Pastors been preaching the word of no fee's but got shot down real bad and would not answer when he was caught in a fib.
Not good
http://www.americansandassociation.org/php...t=13690&start=0Come on pastor, say it is not true.
SailAway
Dec 16 2003, 09:17 AM
Although I don't have time (or the desire) to root through someone's posts from way back when, I must say that in my opinion what Brian did or did not say, no matter where he does or does not stand does not change the BLM's responsibility in this matter.
Accountability was promised and has not been delivered, and that means we have greater concerns than whether VOR has waffled on his stance or even outright lied.
Let's leave the bashing of fellow duners on the other board please. In my opinion, we should all be working together to improve the system, not slam each other.
Vicki
Oversize valve
Dec 16 2003, 09:28 AM
Vicki, I sorta agree but credibility is important, don't you think so?
besides that, don't you think bashing takes place on this board to
Robbie
Dec 16 2003, 10:15 AM
More like
Dead horse beatings.
The Pastor
Dec 16 2003, 11:40 AM
No one knows what happened when I went through that checkpoint in my Firebird... NO ONE!
I stated that I was "Forced" to purchass a pass. This is not entirely correct. I will leave it at that because it is no ones business.
Mr. Jowdy and Mr. Corvairs and Mr. AZsandduners seemed so hell bent on reducing my credibility and putting me on the defensive that I finally decided that trying to reason with these people .... WHO HAVE STATED THAT GATES AND FENCES ARE THE WAY TO GO... trying to reason with these people is futile.
I have posted MANY TIMES, a link and many quotes from a website that say, with court documents, that Demo Fee is NOT mandatory. I have also spoken directly with a person who TOOK THE DAMN THING TO COURT AND HAD IT TOSSED OUT.
But, because I received a Demo Fee pass as a gift I am being hypocritical. I should be "practicing what I preach".
Well, you have no idea what I do and what I do not do, and have absolutely no right to judge me whatsoever.
If anyone would like more information about Demo Fee and how it is being used to systamaticly take your dunes from you then feel free to ask.
But I will ignore any and all attacks on myself.
The Pastor
Robbie
Dec 16 2003, 11:53 AM
Hang in there bro.
We love you over here
dunernr
Dec 16 2003, 12:35 PM
Don't let the ASA side of your brain take you over...
Oversize valve
Dec 16 2003, 02:33 PM
looking at the posts on the asa board, they said that fences were needed if we wanted a true counts of campers at the dunes, but they did not say that they wanted fences, only if someone wanted a true count.
I think that is correct, how else can we get a true compliances figures. They won't go camp to camp and check evvery camper. Not enough people to do that.
also, from what you wrote and what you're saying now, you really stepped on your whanger
you said that you were forced to buy a pass and that it was fact.
now you are saying that it was incorrect so whats fact.
Waz up with that
they said that it was not personal but it looks like you are taking it that way. I guess I don't understand and all I want is credability
The Pastor
Dec 16 2003, 02:44 PM
What I did or didn't do is of no consequence.
If you cannot come to your own conclusions or if my credibility is a prerequisite to your "believing" or "understanding" a subject then I guess you are SOL.
The Pastor
Oversize valve
Dec 16 2003, 03:18 PM
Man, I'm just asking questions, is this the way you answer and it is of consequence, don't be so uptight
I only want to know what happened, and cuz you posted the info on the other board you made it public
Chummin
Dec 16 2003, 03:29 PM
maybe you should go back to the other board and ask these questions there. Seems this post was about something entirely different. Please keep your ASA 'stuff' that is on that board at that board. Seems like a simple request I think..
thanks.
SailAway
Dec 16 2003, 03:36 PM
| QUOTE (Chummin @ Dec 16 2003, 03:29 PM) |
maybe you should go back to the other board and ask these questions there. Seems this post was about something entirely different. Please keep your ASA 'stuff' that is on that board at that board. Seems like a simple request I think.. thanks. |
Ditto.
Let's work on compliance and BLM accountability and climb off each other.
Vicki
The Pastor
Dec 16 2003, 03:39 PM
No, you are right. It was a fairly simple question. And yes, I am uptight about the whole situation.
Don't take it personal, but that is the only response you will get from me concerning me personally, particularly on this subject and at this volitile time.
I do not plan on explaining the situation.
If you would like to go back to discussing the subject at hand I would be more then happy to change gears, quit being so defensive and start trying to add to the discussion.
Some people have bad days... I'm having a bad year.
The Pastor
Oversize valve
Dec 16 2003, 04:03 PM
Thanks pastor,
I'll leave it at that.
the other answers I got from sailaway and chummin were bs when all I wanted was an answer. makes you feel like the only thing you can talk about is drinking and the party scene and the BLM
I understand how you must feel so I'll leave it alone
razorglare
Dec 16 2003, 05:19 PM
They will never get 100% compliance, it's just impossible, even if you were to fence and gate the whole thing in. Maybe the BLM should talk to the Border Patrol and see how well their fence works at the border. They need to just set a goal and leave it at that. Maybe the GAO or some accounting group should help them, if you add more people for compliance it takes more money, I don't think there would be a payoff. They should just make an attempt at compliance and leave it at that. What's the big diff if 20% or 30% don't pay. Sure they should but that's life. If it costs $250,000 to collect $200,000 ummm, doesn't seem worth it. Sometimes it sounds like that BLM has their head up their a$$ and living on another planet. I always wonder also about the fee, I always hear it's a camping fee. Well I've never camped there, I only go for a day and then go home. Yes I do have a year permit. I guess I don't completely understand the military stance of the BLM out there. I can see keeping the trouble makers out, but that's about it. No need to give anyone a shake down over $90 bucks.
Hey Pastor don't let it get you you down. I had a bad year last year, the whole effen year. Glad it was over and yep it does get over.
Well, just my .02 cents and yes I could be totally wrong.
The Pastor
Dec 16 2003, 05:44 PM
Speaking of spending $250,000 to collect $200,000: Here's a little tidbit.
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WESTERN SLOPE NO-FEE COALITION P.O. Box 403 Norwood, CO 81423 May 21, 2003
PRESS RELEASE:
Contacts: Robert Funkhouser 802-867-2298 Kitty Benzar 970-259-4616
GAO REPORT SLAMS ACCOUNTABILITY OF FOREST FEE DEMO
PROGRAM OF MINIMAL BENEFIT TO TAXPAYER A General Accounting Office (GAO) 40-page report entitled “Information on Forest Service Management of Revenue from the Fee Demonstration Program” (2001), requested by Rep. Scott McInnis (R, Western Colorado) and released May 19, 2003, reveals a deep-seated culture of deception and a total lack of accountability within the US Forest Service’s Fee Demo program. It is online at: http://www.gao.gov/cgi-bin/getrpt?GAO-03-470
Here are the highlights: · The US Forest Service (USFS) has been secretly subsidizing the management of its Fee Demo program with (in 2001) $10 million of appropriated tax dollars (p.32). · Costs of fee collection at major Fee Demo “sites” – such as Southern California’s Adventure Pass program – have been under-reported, by illegally concealing hundreds of thousands of dollars in commissions received by pass vendors. · The USFS has no mechanism for ascertaining whether Fee Demo has lessened the deferred maintenance backlog, which Fee Demo was created by Congress to address. Worse than that, they actually have no idea what their maintenance backlog really is!
FOREST SERVICE CONCEALED TWO-THIRDS OF FEE DEMO OPERATING COSTS. In what amounts to a complete absence of accountability on the part of Fee Demo managers across the nation, the Forest Service has failed to mention in its annual Fee Demo Progress Reports to Congress that (in 2001) close to $10 million was used as a taxdollar subsidy to administer the program (GAO p. 32). This alone immediately triples the $5 million which the Forest Service was declaring as the true cost of collection and administration for the program.” For the Forest Service’s 2001 cost of collection ($5 million or 17% of total expenditures), see p. 9 of the GAO Report.
THE FOREST SERVICE DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR ALL FEE COLLECTION COSTS “The Forest Service does not report total revenues and fee collection costs related to commissions or discounts that vendors receive for selling recreation passes directly to the public” (p.5). In the Adventure Pass fee program, the Pacific Northwest and Sedona’s Red Rock fee sites, among others, the Forest Service uses private vendors to help sell Fee Demo passes. In the Adventure Pass area, vendors buy a $5 daily pass discounted to $4 and a $30 annual pass discounted to $25. “Forest officials at the locations where this was occurring could not tell us the total amount of vendor discounts that the agency has permitted. Excluding vendor discounts from the cost of collection is also inconsistent with federal financial accounting standards and the U.S. Department of Agriculture financial manual. These standards require that total revenues and expenses be reported” (p.25-6). “Thus, both fee revenues and fee collection costs are underreported. Because of inaccurate reporting of fee revenues and collection costs, the Forest Service has no assurance that it is in compliance with the recreational fee demonstration requirement only allowing 15% of fee revenues to be used for collection costs” (p.26).
IS DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ADDRESSED BY FEE DOLLARS? The GAO report found that “the Forest Service does not have a process for measuring the impact of fee demo expenditures on reducing the deferred maintenance backlog”… “Further, while acknowledging that it has a significant deferred maintenance problem, the agency has not developed a reliable estimate of its deferred maintenance needs” (p. 4). “As a result, even if the agency knew how much fee revenue it is spending on deferred maintenance, it would not know if its total deferred maintenance needs are being reduced” (pp. 19-20). “ … in March 1999, the Department of Agriculture’s Inspector General testified [to Congress] that the Forest Service did not have a reliable estimate of the amount of its deferred maintenance backlog. Further, the Inspector General pointed out that the agency had no system or systematic way to compile the information needed to provide managers or Congress with reliable estimates” (p.22).
HOW MUCH FEE DEMO MONEY REALLY GOES TO HELP OUR FORESTS? The Forest Service gross Fee Demo revenue for FY 2001 was over $35 million (p.6). We must subtract the reported cost of collection, $5,051,000 (p. 9), the undeclared use of $10 million of appropriated funds to support the program (p.32), the Adventure Pass program’s unrecorded vendor cost of collection $370,000 (data obtained under FOIA request in June, 2002 but withheld from the GAO, p. 25), and a further $4.6 million. That is the amount raised at some Fee Demo sites that already produced fee income [campgrounds, boat launches, etc.] before Fee Demo began in 1997 (April 2002 Interim Report to Congress on Fee Demo, p.23) – that leaves a net revenue of $15 million. The cost of collection is closer to 50% - requiring more than $15 million to raise less than $15 million. Congress’ limit on Fee Demo cost of collection is 15% (p.26). The $15 million adjusted net revenue is likely to still be too high – vendor discounts at sites other than the Adventure Pass are unknown, and Fee Demo managers have been inconsistent with their categorizing of costs of collection (p.17 and p.7). Until the General Accounting Office audits the BLM and U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s Fee Demo programs the amounts of cost of collection and the use of appropriated funds for program management is unclear. The net revenues for the BLM and USFWS combined is less than $4 million.
FEE DEMO’S FUTURE IN THE BALANCE The Fee Demo Program was enacted in 1996, extended at least four times and is currently set to expire on 9.30.04. Legislation to make it permanent did not move forward in 2002. Across the nation, forest fees have outraged the American public, who are well aware that taxdollars have maintained our National Forests for over a century, for all Americans to enjoy. Forest fee protest groups are active in Arizona, California, Colorado, New Hampshire, Oregon and Washington. The state legislatures of Colorado, Oregon, New Hampshire and California have passed resolutions calling for an end to the Fee Demo program as have dozens of counties, cities and towns across the nation. “It is time for Congress to terminate this ill-conceived fee program, Americans have already paid taxes to maintain what is theirs. The perverse incentive created by letting the land management agencies appropriate their own funds, outside of congressional oversight, leads to the abuses we see in this report.” states Robert Funkhouser, President of Colorado’s Western Slope No-Fee Coalition. “This GAO Report shows that the Forest Service misled Congress and the American people about the costs involved with forest fees.” Kitty Benzar of the WSNFC adds, “This year Congress must decide the future of Fee Demo in our National Forests. The data revealed by the recent GAO Report show this to be an incredibly inefficient means of raising funds for public lands. The public has rejected Fee Demo and after seven years of the program so should Congress.” Congressman McInnis, who is not philosophically opposed to the fees, requested the GAO audit to look into concerns raised by the Western Slope No-Fee Coalition and his constituents regarding the program.
A cost benefit analysis of the Recreational Fee Demonstration Program for the BLM, USFWS, and Forest Service is available upon request. |
The Pastor
The Pastor
Dec 16 2003, 06:01 PM
After reading that then think about all of those BLM LEO's that are standing at each checkpoint... Wonder if their salaries were listed in the cost of collection.
Think about those chases that the BLM said they had to do... Wonder how much a LEO car chase costs...
Think about Rangers going from camp to camp checking passes... Wonder what that costs and if it is computed in the cost of collection.
Makes you wonder, huh?
The Pastor
razorglare
Dec 16 2003, 06:08 PM
Excelent article Pastor. Looks like the whole collection thing is a joke. I guess the military atitude now is to try and make it look like the can make money for upkeep on thier own. Hopefully in 2004 it will be gone and no more fee. Maybe that's only for the forests. Hopefully for all areas.
LoBuck
Dec 17 2003, 12:42 AM
In response to some of the concerns in this thread, here are few things that the TRT has done/is doing.
The LEO Rangers that are assigned to ISDRA get paid for whatever they are doing. If they weren't doing compliance at the check points, they would be working enforcement in the dunes. The only way to reduce the dollars it cost for the LEO Rangers would be to reduce the number of them. The TRT has been suggesting ways for the check points to be manned that will free up the Rangers to get out in the dunes. The BLM has expressed that the LEO Rangers must be there.
The BLM's cost for collection "should" have gone down, while revenue went up. This is due to the higher pass cost and the lower percentage that Central parking is getting. The TRT requested and the BLM is pushing Central Parking to increase the number of employees it has on-site. They have.
A Revenue vs Expense variance report has not been received by the TRT. This has been requested and is expected at the 1/23/04 meeting.
A Revenue to Budget variance report has not been received by the TRT. This has been requested and is expected at the 1/23/04 meeting.
The Official revenue from pass sales report through November 30, 2003 is expected by December 30.
The official revenue from pass sales report through December 31, 2003 is expected at the 1/23/04 meeting.
The calculations for compliance have been estimates. The TRT is asking for the data and confirmation of these estimates. They are expected at the 1/23/04 meeting.
As far as Gates/Fences, natural or material barriers exist, we don't need gates (Glenn's personal opinion).
The Buttercup area has only one "street vehicle" entrance/exit, Grey's Well Road. I-8 has barb'd wire fence or Border Patrol barricades. You can get there over the Herman S Bridge (from the Gordon's exit) but the access is not feasible for RV's & trailers. The only other way to get in is from the East end off the All American canal. That way is not feasible for much of anything but what you'd run in the dunes anyway.
With this in mind, you would expect Buttercup to have one of the highest compliance rates in the ISDRA. Maybe it is, we'll soon see.
Gecko Road is kind of the same way as far as accessibility by "street vehicles" like RVs & trailers. The shoulder on Hwy 78 is a barrier most of the way.
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