Am I reading this right, my son is 10, he would have to ride a 50CC bike in order to get certified?




2. Age and model size requirements for ATV's ridden during the course:
Model Size Student Age
less than 70cc ...... age 6 and older
70cc up to and including 90cc ...... age 12 and older
greater than 90cc ...... age 16 and over

Who makes these rules up? Any way to get around it? My son is 5 foot tall, at least 90 lbs, rides a 230CC quad. We don't own a 50CC and even if we did he would look like a clown.

We have a similar issue. Need to get certified and he is too big for his 90, let alone a 50. Also about 5' and 90lbs.

I would swear I remember hearing at the DuneSafe booth @ the sand show that they had free safety classes. Anyone know anything about that?

My kid out grew his 90 about 2 years ago. He is 10 and rides a 250. I think you need to rent one for him to get certified. I would also want some info on a class.

I found some info here : svia

California ATV Certification Program
Frequently Asked Questions
1. What is the California State Certification Program?
When operating an ATV on public land, California state law currently requires that all ATV riders under 18 years of age must possess an ATV Safety Certificate or be supervised by an adult possessing the Certificate. All ATV riders under the age of 14 must be supervised by an adult.

2. How can I get an ATV Safety Certificate?
Any student who completes or participates as an "Observer" (see #6 below) in an ATV RiderCourse, taught by a California licensed Instructor will be eligible to receive an ATV Safety Certificate. Only students 17 years of age and under will be issued certificates automatically. All others must request them by calling ASI Client Services at (800) 776-7620. (*Special conditions apply.)

3. What if I lose my Certificate?
Replacement/duplicate ATV Safety Certificates are available from ASI Client Services at (800) 776-7620 for a $3.00 fee.

4. If I already took the ATV RiderCourse, do I need to take it again to get an ATV Safety Certificate?
No. Call ASI Client Services at (800) 776-7620 for more information.

5. Are there any age/ATV size restrictions?
Yes. The standard age/size restrictions will be enforced: Under 70cc Age 6 and older 70cc - 90cc Age 12 and older Over 90cc Age 16 and older

6. What if I don't have the right sized machine for my child's age group?
In some areas loan ATVs may be available free of charge. If the appropriately sized ATV is not available, students age 6 through 15 can participate as an "Observer" and still receive their ATV Safety Certificate, but not an ATV RiderCourse completion card.


7. What is an Observer's role in the class?
An Observer will participate in classroom lessons and discussions, and will also observe all riding lessons from a safe vantage point.

8. How many Observers can be in a class at the same time?
A class can have a total of 4 Observers, in addition to a maximum of 8 students for a total of a 12 students maximum in one class.

9. As an Observer, will I still receive an ASI RiderCourse completion card?
No, but you will receive a California ATV Safety Certificate.

10. When will I receive my ATV Safety Certificate?
Certificates are printed and mailed on the 1st and 15th of each month.

11. If I enroll in the ATV RiderCourse as an Observer, will I receive a confirmation letter?
Yes, a confirmation letter will be mailed that includes a detailed map with directions to the site and the Instructor's name and phone number. If you enroll online, you will be directed to an online confirmation letter and map.

12. What is the cost of the class?
All California residents age 17 and under will be trained for free due to a California state-sponsored subsidy. The fee for students age 18 and older is $125. Purchasers of new ATVs may be eligible for free training. Contact Enrollment Express for more information at (800) 887-2887. California residents can participate in the training as "Observers" if they are age 6 through 15. There is no cost to participate as an Observer due to the California state-sponsored subsidy.

13. If I live in another state, but ride in California on public lands, do I need a California ATV Safety Certificate?
If you hold a certificate issued by another state such as Oregon Parks & Recreation or Utah Department of Parks, California will recognize and accept those certificates.

14. What are considered public lands?
State parks, BLM land, ORV parks, state forests, etc.

15. Can I ride on private property without a Certificate?
Yes.

16. Can residents of other states get a California ATV Safety Certificate?
Yes, if you complete or observe an ATV RiderCourse taught by a California licensed Instructor and pay a $3.00 Certificate fee. Call ASI Client Services at (800) 776-7620 for more information.


For the ATV RiderCourse nearest you, call toll free (800) 887-2887

So in short, it looks like you the parent can be a student and the child will be an observer, not have to have his quad there, but still get a certificate.

I'll add info as I find it, still looking for some AZ info.

First, yes, the classes are free for children. During the training, if the child rides, he/she will need to be on a machine that is recommended by the manufacture. One of the places they hold the training is at the Honda Training Facility in Colton. They have a conex box that is full of 250-4strokes and smaller quads for the class if you do not bring your own. When you call the 800 number, they can fill you in on those details.

How is it free? If you have bought a new ATV in the past couple of years, you will qualify for free training AND an incentive check back. (In the past, we received $100 from Honda and $75 from Yamaha. Both my husband and I are certified but we do need to have the kids take their own course too) If you have not bought a new ATV, your children will be allowed to take the class for free because the state's Off Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation Division covers the cost.

For out of state residents, since CA law does require either the adult or the child to have a certificate (Currently, one adult can have his/her certification and ride with a group of children and everyone is legal), any out of state certificate will be honored. I'm sorry I've never checked how AZ residents can obtain their certification....hopefully PredChick can get info out of SVIA/ATV Safety Institute.

I don't know if my info helped but if anyone has questions, please feel free to PM me!

Everything I have read is about kids 6 and older, but what about kids under 6?

Do you have the phone # for the place in colton???

Here's some #'s Ocotillo Boy, I think this is the place Afamilyof4 is talking about.

Schedule Rider Training Now

You can schedule your rider training by contacting one of our Honda Rider Education Centers directly:

Colton Rider Education Center
1301 Via Venita
Colton, CA 92324-4009
Phone: (909) 430-3000
Fax: (909) 430-3015

Irving Rider Education Center
4529 Royal Lane
Irving, TX 75063-2584
Phone: (972) 929-5455
Fax: (972) 915-0283

Troy Rider Education Center
101 S. Stanfield Road
Troy, OH 45373-8010
Phone: (937) 332-6177
Fax: (937) 332-6163

Alpharetta Rider Education Center
1450 Morrison Parkway
Alpharetta, GA 30201-2199
Phone: (770) 442-2043
Fax: (770) 442-2416


CA and AZ people can also enroll online here Enrollment for ATV Safety Institute.

or call 1800 887 2887.

I did call about AZ classes, since it isn't an AZ state law we will have to pay $75 per child, $125 per adult. They also said they don't have any Youth Classes Scheduled in Phoenix, she said to call back every couple of weeks to see if they open any up. But they do have some Adult Classes open as soon as this weekend.

OB...you don't contact the Honda Facility directly, you call ASI at



That is just one of the few places the training is held.

I posted a thread about his in the Quad and Three wheeler section.

My wife and I took the course in preparation for this season. Then we had my daughter's take the course also. My 16 year old rode it...my 6 year old "observed" it. They both got a certificate. Now we are covered.

The course is free in CA for kids under the age of 18 whether you ride it or observe it.


Because this has become an "issue" and some people reported getting tickets over the summer for not having the course, I suspect this is going to become a bigger "issue" this season.

It is going to be an "issue". And and even bigger "issue" is going to be the next political session in Sacramento.


All parents of children that ride ATVs......

get ready to battle to keep our children on their quads.

Rumor has it that there will be another attempt to pass legislation that will make the ATV safety course mandatory for the child (currently either the adult or child has to have the cert) to carry their own certification.....and the manufacture's size recommendation could be in there too of:

Under 6 not allowed to operate an ATV
Children under 12 = 50cc
Children under 16 = 90cc


I don't know about the rest of you but my 12yr old is 110lbs, stands at 5'3 and rides a 4stroke 250 while my 7yr has been on a 90 for the last 2 seasons. Legislation containing size restrictions would change our way of recreating......

Just signed up my girls 11, 13 for a class in Valley Center this weekend. I called and they told me there were 2 seperate classes for children under 12 and children 12 and over. So I just signed one up to ride and one up to observe. I'll let you know how it goes.

SPR

Absolute horse crap!

I guess I'll be putting my daughter on 2 wheels.

keep us posted about the valley center....i am interested

That's one of our options too.....but since the fat lady hasn't sang, I'll fight my tail off to not let size/age restrictions go through....but the fight will take more that just me....it will take all of us.

Given that the State if broke again (looks like the legislature is going back in session to deal with the short fall - and the Gov wants some bail out money from the Feds) its going to be awful hard to get a new program up and running with such limited funds for this kind of legislation.

And... there is an election coming up. Who knows how the voters will elect some of those still in Sac of Tomatoes.

Finally, guess who the incoming President of the Senate of CA? Thats right - Mr. Steinburg the very same Senator who brought you the SB 742 legislation.

Hello All,

We were working with the State of California to host the safety course in Glamis, but we ran into a snag.

Typical government red tape, but it is still in the works.

BLM said they will be cracking down on this so watch out.

If I take the course out of state along with my kids will I be legal in california or is this something specific to the state of california????

The law says from any state so i am going to go this route looks easier to me,All online

http://www.offroad-ed.com/wi/

My daughters finished the course and actually had a good time doing it. It was free and they will actually pay you to take the course if you have recently bought a new atv. The class was held at a private property and the instructor was a woman. I posted in another thread that she is willing to do a class out at the compound if there is an interest.

I think my girls got some good information from the "hands on" instruction. It seems the emphasis was on how to physically handle the bike and not tip it over(ie; shifting your weight) as well as understanding the basics of ownership. I thought it was well worth our time and makes us legal.

My 9 year old son took the class in Colton as an Observer. It was really boring for him, but he is now certified. There was no way I would be able to get him on a 50cc again. He's been riding since he was 3 and out grew his 50 years ago. Heck he's already moved on from his LT80.

Agreed. Even the instructor said these were "reccommended" guidelines and that if you had the certification the LEOs wouldn't hassle you over the size of the bike(within reason). She even let a 9 year old take the course on a 250. My 13 year old daughter had to ride a 90 and my 11 year old had to ride a 50. Luckily they are little girls and aren't too big for those bikes but almost. The little kid on the 250 did crash pretty good though, so maybe there is something to the guidelines?!?

If you do it in CA...they pick up the tab for kids under 18.

That's right...my 9 year old was free. If I took the class it cost $.

If he is certified, I don't need the certification.

does anyone know the punishment for not having certification and/or kid on to big of a bike?

My understanding is that there are no "laws" stating that the kids must ride on the "recommended" sized ATVs, assuming they can reach all the controls. My kids, boys 10 and 14yrs, ride a Honda 250ex and 450er respectively and have no problems with either. They did take the ATV class but as observers only due to the size restrictions for the class.

I'm not sure about the fine for riding without a safety certificate or supervising children without having one yourself.

If your child is under 14 he or she must be supervised at all times by an adult, certificate or not; and I think that is what's most important anyway. I believe the fine is $125 for first offense.

Excellent point! We usually camp deep in the washes so crowds aren't as much of a concern but the little one is always supervised and I keep a close leash on the 14 year old and never let him ride alone.

I think I misunderstood this post from the beginning. I was thinking that the size restrictions were already CA law. If I am understanding this now, I just need to get the certification so I can watch my 4 year old on his quad in camp. i was thinking he couldn't ride until age 6, but it is that he cannot get certification until age 6.

Thanks.

Hey all, just wanted to get this thread going again now that we are about to start another desert season. I'm looking to get my family certified. I'm going to have to take them all to Campo for the class. Never been checked or advised about this, but now I know. Cheers.

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I am the Chairman of the American Desert Foundation.
We are doing ASI certified safety training at Glamis this year.
If you do not have an age appropiate ATV, one can be supplied.
See our web site for details.
I hope this will help get more children trained.
Bill Jones

I am not understanding this. I have a 4year old that rides a 90cc. around camp along with all the other little kids. Am I going to get a ticket for letting them ride this year. If so how much is the fine, no way is my kids not going to ride thats why we all go there in the first place.

I have never heard of this law being enforced. Has anyone?

We were talking with one of the BLM peeps at the show and he "warned" us that this would be heavily enforced this year.

is any state good and as I understand it only 1 adult has to be certified with the kids?

I'm going from memory because I am being too lazy to look it up here or at dunesafe or on one of the flyers that were made some time ago.

The biggest deal is for children 13 or under:

a. if they are not certified, they must be supervised by an adult who is certified.
b. If they are certified, they must be supervised by an adult.

NO RIDER UNDER THE AGE OF 14 MAY RIDE UNSUPERVISED AND SOMEONE MUST HAVE A CERTIFICATE!

Riders 14-17 may ride unsupervised if they are certified.

Once 18, they are on their own.

Seen someone get a ticket last season and i think it was more of their laziness.Basically kids riding a kiddy track one gets stuck or stalls quad while parents are at their camp(in distance) sheriffs or blm in rhino cruise by see kids trying to start quad they were there a good 3-5 minutes trying to help then they tell one kid to go get a parent then an older kid in camp gos to help but leaves without helmet gets just barely out of camp til parents yell then out comes dad walking up to rangers he got a chewing from what we could see too both cops were female.And saw a ticket handed out.

I really dont think they were out to check you certificates but in this case it was clear you were not watching and a parent should have been there within a reasonable time to restart the quad.

IMO it did provide a good laugh though

This sounds expensive.

$125 for wife
$125 for me
$75 for 8 year old son
My 5 year old daughter can't get certified

I was planning on taking the family to the dunes this season, but I can't afford it now.

Sample,

Did you call the ATVSI?

I see a Polaris and Kawasaki Kids ATVs in your Avatar.

Did you buy them New? Yes = Free Class for your 8 year old son. Your 5 year old girl is too young, but you can Transfer her FREE Class to you or your wife.

Also, when you call ATVSI to sign up, They will ask you if you are First Time Riders....YES you are
That will get you $100 rebate for both those kids quads....Non-first time riders get $50

I hope that info helps.

Thanks Crusty, I will look into the first time rider rebates, but I did buy the KFX50 and Bombardier 90 used.

good info!! Thank you

I was able to get into the class next sunday.I bought my son a 50 quad 4 years ago and they had the info cause it showed no fee.I wanted to enter my son first but i saw no age group for him (7 years old)Anyhow at least i will be certified and able to watch both my kids legally now.

Most likely going to use my wifes blaster for the class.Just hope i aint required to use the 50 i purchased,LOL

I put my family in this course ,its free and online and my 12 year old passed it when she was 10 because we went to pismo and wanted to be legal but we were never questioned, it is a good site though and helped her a lot.