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APHANTOMDUCK
I too question why the TRT is conducting such a poll on a site that requires one to "register" and agree to "rules" for posting that they disagree with. I'm sure there are some sort of technical reasons that this poll could not be separated from this registration requirement.

For the poll to provide useful information to BLM and the TRT it must allow all the views of all that are interested in submitting their opinion; thus freedom from the "registration" requirement is a must. Or at the least, provide BLM and other TRT members with the disclaimer "This poll was conducted with ONLY registered users of the ASA site."

I'll be sending an e-mail to the Imperial County representative to the TRT and let him bring this "issue" up at the upcoming meeting.
LoBuck
QUOTE (APHANTOMDUCK @ Jan 19 2004, 08:21 PM)
... disclaimer "This poll was conducted with ONLY registered users of the ASA site."

This was intented before the Poll was made as we (the TRT) were aware that would be the case. Since the Poll is noted as being based only on the perception of the voting dune users, it will also be noted that it is a "general" poll and not a scientific poll.

In case anyone needs it, the Imperial County TRT rep is Bob Ham. His e-mail is bobham@imperialcounty.net or you can send comments to trtemail@aol.com and it will be forwarded to all TRT members.

Thanks,
Glenn
APHANTOMDUCK
Thanks for clearing up my concern.

Mr. Seaver mentioned that the cost of having and maintaining an independent site was beyond the ability of the TRT to fund. My question is what is the cost(s) to develop and maintain an independent site, one that does not have to be "hosted" by a specific organization? What are the "bandwidth" requirements of such a site?

Given that BLM has the propensity to re-allocate appropriated (Congressionally granted) funds from other projects almost at will (as they have shown throughout the years at the ISDRA); has thought been given to submit - through the TRT - a request for such funding?
SailAway
QUOTE (APHANTOMDUCK @ Jan 20 2004, 08:34 AM)
Thanks for clearing up my concern.

Mr. Seaver mentioned that the cost of having and maintaining an independent site was beyond the ability of the TRT to fund. My question is what is the cost(s) to develop and maintain an independent site, one that does not have to be "hosted" by a specific organization? What are the "bandwidth" requirements of such a site?

Given that BLM has the propensity to re-allocate appropriated (Congressionally granted) funds from other projects almost at will (as they have shown throughout the years at the ISDRA); has thought been given to submit - through the TRT - a request for such funding?

Besides the fact that I don't understand why the BLM can't have it on the website they already maintain...

There are websites out there for under $7.00 a month. Yes, they're bare bones but would a TRT website really need all the bells and whistles anyway?

The problem isn't only money though... even with the money the question will be "who will run it?" Apparently having any of the current access organizations closely tied to the TRT is not a good thing... so what are the choices.

Again, I have to wonder why it cannot be a BLM sponsored and managed website. Perhaps have the various access groups take responsibility at intervals. Switch off every quarter, something like that... so that no one organization is perceived to be "managing" the TRT.

But this is all just whistling in the wind right now anyway...

Vicki
The Pastor
It is a fairly simple matter to turn off registration requirements for a single forum, but I digress...

Although I have issues with the ASA site and how it is run that should be considered a personal issue...
The fact of the matter is that this poll is really of little importance, and because of it's limited scope is of even less importance (as long as it isn't misrepresented). The TRT was trying to accomplish something. Unfortunantly it was a tougher task then first thought. The intentions were good.

To anyone who wants to participate in this poll but is unable to because of registration restrictions (myself included) I suggest that you write a letter explaining how you feel the BLM are doing so far this year and send it, yourself, to the BLM for review, or send it to a TRT member and hopefully you can get it read into the record. You will have a far greater effect then this poll.

The Pastor smokin.gif
APHANTOMDUCK
Vicki:

You raise very valid questions and should not feel as if you are "whistle in the wind".

While I applaud and commend Glenn for his dedication and work to have such a TRT site, he is within the leadership (forum moderator) of the other sand site. There is, and has been, in my opinion, a demonstrated inability - by some in the leadership of organizations as a whole - to keep organizational and personal agenda(s) from clouding the real issues discussed on other forums.

I agree a third party needs to host and administer the site.

You may be right in that BLM has the resources to provide such a service. Might it be time for the TRT to make such a request?
JET
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There is, and has been, in my opinion, a demonstrated inability - by some in the leadership of organizations as a whole - to keep organizational and personal agenda(s) from clouding the real issues discussed on other forums.


The proverbial understatement of the year. laughing.gif
Sanduners
QUOTE (JET @ Jan 22 2004, 09:09 PM)

The proverbial understatement of the year.


Amen brother Jeff... rollsmile.gif

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To anyone who wants to participate in this poll but is unable to because of registration restrictions (myself included) I suggest that you write a letter explaining how you feel the BLM are doing so far this year and send it, yourself, to the BLM for review, or send it to a TRT member and hopefully you can get it read into the record. You will have a far greater effect then this poll.

Exactly... icon_biggrin.gif Now just how many will do it???
SailAway
QUOTE (Sanduners @ Jan 23 2004, 04:02 AM)
Exactly... icon_biggrin.gif Now just how many will do it???

Hopefully at least as many as have responded to the polls.

It's obvious something is just not working.

Glenn -- we have a "Taco Tuesday" coming up next week and I will print out the polls and pass them around. Maybe we'll get some good responses.

Vicki
LoBuck
The results of the Polls on the ASA bbs were given to the BLM at today's TRT meeting. The max number of participants was 57. The TRT requested that the BLM provide us with their own review and results. We also requested a response from them on the results of our Poll so that we may advise the dune users.

QUOTE ("SailAway")
Glenn -- we have a "Taco Tuesday" coming up next week and I will print out the polls and pass them around. Maybe we'll get some good responses.


Vicki, That would be great! I have a PDF version of the Poll that I will e-mail you. I will also send you an Excel file that you can use to compile the results. (These are on my notebook PC, not the desktop I'm using now so give me a day or two) All I ask is that you return the completed Excel file to me so I can pass the results on to the TRT and BLM.
LoBuck
QUOTE (SailAway @ Jan 23 2004, 08:44 AM)
Hopefully at least as many as have responded to the polls.

It's obvious something is just not working.

I don't understand this statement. Please explain.
SailAway
QUOTE (LoBuck @ Jan 23 2004, 11:15 PM)
QUOTE (SailAway @ Jan 23 2004, 08:44 AM)
Hopefully at least as many as have responded to the polls.

It's obvious something is just not working.

I don't understand this statement. Please explain.

For people who would not or could not respond to the polls on the ASA bulletin board, Duck suggested that they write a letter to the BLM expressing their opinions on how the BLM is doing.

Jim (Sanduners) wondered how many would do that.

I responded that hopefully at least as many as have bothered to respond to the polls, which unfortunately is not very many.

My comment that something is just not working is referring to the lack of participation in the polls.

Vicki
JET
Maybe there isn't as much love in the air as some try and tell themselves.
LoBuck
Thanks for the clarification Vicki.

BTW - Reading back I see it was The Pastor who suggested the letter writing. Good idea Brian.

Unfortunately, the participation in the Polls on the ASA bbs was about what I expected, and less than I hoped for. icon_sad.gif

I'm not going to address the TRT web site in this thread as it has nothing to do with it. We could not have placed the Mid-Season Review on it as it was not ready. If this topic needs to be discussed it needs to be done elsewhere. Thanks.
SailAway
QUOTE (LoBuck @ Jan 24 2004, 10:19 PM)
BTW - Reading back I see it was The Pastor who suggested the letter writing. Good idea Brian.

You're right. My apologies Brian.

Vicki
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