I'm a mechanical design / graphics guy for a few small companyies around San Diego. I also sell Rigid LED lighting. I was actually selling these lights back when they were being offered by Holder Off Road. Anyways, I'm not out to make a living selling these lights. I sell these things at the prices that I do so people won't be so temted to by the junk being offered from China.

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These are screen shots from SolidWorks when I was making some custom mounts for a customer. I'll get actual pictures up soon.

Pete, I'm ready. 1 40'' bar, please PM me your phone # to arrange payment.

Thanks, Matt

Thanks Matt

No need to PM. It's all over. 619-729-7325.

Don't Try This With Just Any Light...

Rigid Destructive Testing

Your light will be there tomorrow.

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Thanks Again.

I so want one of these!

They are tough, they can hold the weight of a car UP with virtually no damage.

Do they come with brackets? How would you mount them on a frame? Fab something up?
Could you ever out run the lights like halogens?

Seem a few before on Rhino's looks real nice and real bright

Those two lights that were on top of your car when you rolled it still work great.

They come with these brackets that you can use to help mount the lights to your frame...

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But welding vertical tabs to the frame would be much more secure...

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These lights are much brighter than halogens. Matt will have to be going really fast to outrun his light. It's all relative though. What one thinks is bright enough might not be bright enough for another.

seen these once, still not too widely used it seems. although these things are damn bright. not too sure why theyre not more popular since LEDs have been taking over the market as a whole.

are these the edge lights?

Yep. These are the light original designed and sold by Holder. Holder sold everything to Rigid Industries. Now Rigid is selling them as the Edge.

those are real sick for sure, i will be replacing my hid's with those in a custom aluminum box on my rhino real soon, the rigid guys are cool, i know them real well, the holder technology is the best led in the market IMO, the others have plastic housings, these are metal, quality product for sure!!!!!!

I missed UPS today leaving for G at 4am so I went on their website and arranged for p/u at will call on Monday!

I like the brackets they come with but I think I will try to fab up something similar. If I split a piece of 1 3/4 or 2'' to slip over the A piliars or the roof bars and bolt the light in then bolt the brackets to the chassis may work. I could use 2 bolts per side going into the chassis, tap the holes. I could remove it pretty easy too.

Sweet lights...

Picked it up from UPS

This thing is SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Thanks again Pete!

I'll be sure to get you some pics when I get it mounted.

Cool. I'm glad it found you ok. I think those boxes need more cusion in them to protect the light.

Post the pictures when you get it mounted.

Did you hook it up to a battery yet to see how bright it is?

Lots of people have been asking for pictures of the LED light in action.

I found these that Yoshi (Sinister Sandsports) posted...

1 Rigid 6" LED Light Bar...

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2 6.5" HIDs...

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1 Rigid 30" LED Light Bar...

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1 Rigid 30" LED Light Bar with 2 6.5" HIDs...

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NavinJohnson posted this picture of a Rigid 50" LED Light Bar...

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baja designs makes lenses that go over them and change the beam to a spot and driving light. Ever though of doing that? I bet if you took a 40" bar and make the bar start as a flood, then get progressively more narrow of a beam as you move in, it'd be pretty damn useful and comparable to HIDs. I'll take one at cost for giving you the idea

The problem with using just a lens over an LED is that a lens is not nearly as effecient as a reflector to throw light out. It works great for spreading but there is still more light lost through a lens than with a reflector. The guys that designed the reflector for Holder use a reflector in addition to a small lens right in front of the LED. The small lens is used to help catch any light the misses the reflector. By changing the arc (parabola) of the reflector they can change the light spread. I don't know who decided on the angles for these reflectors but if enough people want more spot than the current spot they offer maybe they will make another mold for another reflector. Rigid is the only LED lightbar that uses a reflector.

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Hey Pete I have two acro's 968 lights on the front of my car and want a better flood. If I remove the Acro's and add a 6" or 10" how much better will the light be? I have two euro and two spot on my light bar right now. What do you think? How do these lights compare to the vision x lights. Also what is the power out put and amp draw?

The LED lights offers a great amount of flood light. Will it be better than your two 968s? Hard to say. I'd like to say yes without a doubt. But I have nothing to compare it to. Are the 968s HID or Halogen? I can't remember.

I have a 10" LED I can get some pictures for you but without anything to compare it to I'm not sure how much help that would be.

Specs on the 10" Rigid LED Light:

3.3 amps
38 watts
3200 Lumens



Specs on the 12" Vision X Lights:

5 amps
60 watts
3600 Lumens

They both have 20 3 watt LEDs. But it would appear the Vision X light does not put out as effecient of light with 5 amps and 60 watts but only 400 more lumens. That's part of that reflector thing vs lens thing I was talking about earlier.

They are HID's. I'm in Ramona maybe I can come check them out if you don't mind. let me know.

I don't mind at all if you come over and check them out. I'm just down the hill in Lakeside.

Pete, here it is!!! It's not mounted yet but we got the wiring done. It is sitting on top for now, looks great there, can't wait till I get it mounted. Thanks again!

Looks good. Thanks for posting the pictures.

I had a single 968 over at the house last night. I compared it with the 10" lightbar I have and the 968 was brighter than the LED definately. The LED light did have more flood action though. I'll have to check that my 10" bar is still as bright as it used to be. They were involved in a bit of a roll over.

Those look awesome and love the pics on the rail at night time. Only trouble kinda hard to toss 2,000 dollar worth of light bar and HID's to install one of your setup. Will have to do one on the next rail, best of luck...they look awesome!

Here you go pete. Thanks for everything.
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Wow, when these guys say "destructive", they really mean it!
Pretty amazing testimony.

Would like to see night comparison with conventional lights and HIDs.

Sorry this took so long. I didn't have the exact angle on the light but it's pretty close...

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I found this interesting article over on www.UTVCHAT.com by Nick Wilson . Thought it had some good information comparing Vision X and Rigid.


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Lumen's, foot-candles, illuminance, LUX, candlepower, lumen's, radiance. Are you as confused as I am? All these things are ways to either determine the amount of light at a certain spot, or how much light is being emitted from a light. I have read up on how to determine these and measure them and the equations to figure them out, and I am still lost. This article will not get into depth on the mathematics of it all, but will show you the difference in power consumption and light output at a certain distance.

I would like to start off by thanking the people who made this all happen. Thomas Hoover who supplied me with a Vision-X 32” & 42” Xmitter LED light bars. Dorian at DoubleTroubleHook.com for supplying a Rigid Industries 30” E-Series LED light bar. Mike Street with A Quality Electric who supplied the testing equipment and knowledge on the electrical aspect. Last but not least, my wife who sat around with us for the 3½ hours we spent testing the light bars and taking all the notes.

We are now going to go over the vehicles used and the products tested. Car 1 was a Yamaha Rhino 660cc with a stock battery. Car 2 was a Yamaha Rhino 700cc with a stock battery. No upgraded stators, alternators or other charging devices were used or installed on either vehicle. Car 1 had a Rigid Industries E-Series 30” LED bar installed. Car 2 had a Vision-X Xmitter 32” & 42” LED bar installed. Both LED bars were installed in the same location and the angles were matched to properly test light output.

Below you will find a table that shows amp draw, lumen's, watts, number of LED's and pricing on each of the LED light bars tested as per the manufactures websites.

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Now lets talk about our test. We used 36” tall wood stakes at 25' increments to test light output via foot-candles. What is a foot-candle you ask, well the definition is the amount of light that a birthday cake candle generates one foot away. We also tested the voltage on the battery with the vehicle running and the LED light bar on & off, the amount of amps being drawn through the light bar running, and the temperature of the housing.

This article will not tell you who is a winner or which one is the best one out there or things of that nature. It will simply give you all the information you and others have asked and put it in an informative article let you make your choice and form your own opinion from there.

Below you will find a table that has all the information side by side for comparison, then I will get into the details of the numbers shown.

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First off lets discuss amps. The amps shown above are the amount of amps the light bar is drawing while the car is running and the bar has been turned on for 10 minutes or more. Rigid is drawing 7.62 amps on the 30”, Vision-X is drawing 9.40 amps on the 32”, and Vision-X is drawing 12.90 amps on the 42”. Thus showing us that the Rigid 30” has the least amount of amp draw between the 3 LED light bars tested.

Secondly we will discuss volts on the OEM battery while the car is running and the LED light bar is turned off than turned on. Car 1 (Rigid) had a reading of 14.19 volts while the car was at idle, the LED light bar was turned off and no other accessories were running. Car 2 (Vision-X) had a reading of 14.33 volt while the car was at idle, the LED light bar was turned off and no other accessories were running. Now we will discuss the volts on the stock Yamaha Rhino battery while the LED light bars were running. Car 1 (Rigid) had a reading of 13.80 volts while the LED light bar was turned on, the car was t idle and no other accessories were running. That shows us that there is a 2.72% decrease in volts with the Rigid 30” LED bar running. Car 2 (Vision-X) had a reading of 13.82 volts with the 32” LED bar running, which is a 3.55% decrease in volts. Car 2 (Vision-X) had a reading of 13.72 volts while the 42” LED bar was running, which equates to a 4.10% decrease in volts. What does this sum up? The Rigid 30” bar had the lower percentage of volt loss with the LED bar running. Which now will bring us to the final and most important test, light output.

Now lumen's, LUX, candlepower and what-not are confusing to me, so we will use Foot Candle, which I went over in the beggining of this article. We tested the light output at 25' increments, up to 200'. Car 1 (Rigid) had a Foot Candle output of 26.90 at 25', 13.90 at 50', 8.50 at 75', 5.20 at 100', 3.70 at 125', 2.50 at 150', 2.00 at 175' and 1.40 at 200'. Car 2 (Vision X) with the 32” had a Foot Candle out put of 20.80' at 25', 8.60 at 50', 4.20 at 75', 2.20 at 100', 1.40 at 125', 0.80 at 150', 0.50 at 175' and 0.30 at 200'. Car 2 (Vision X) with the 42” had a Foot Candle out put of 43.20 at 25', 17.90 at 50', 9.00 at 75', 5.00 at 100', 3.50 at 125', 2.20 at 150', 1.70 at 175' and 1.00 at 200'. What do all these numbers mean? Well lets look at 2 measurements for comparisons, 25 feet and 200 feet. The Rigid 30” had a reading of 26.90 at 25' while the Vision-X 32” had a reading of 20.80 and the 42” had a reading of 43.20 at 25'. So at 25' the 42” Vision X bar had the highest reading of light out put. Now, the big one, 200', which is 66 yards, over half the length of a football field. The Rigid 30” had a reading of 1.40 at 200', while the Vision X 32” was reading 0.30 at 200' and the 42” was 1.00 at 200'. So by looking at the measurement we can say that the Rigid 30” LED bar puts out more light at 200' than the 32” & 42” Vision-X LED light bars.

Now we tried our best to take some photos for you to see, but are not the best photographers or have the best camera for taking pictures at night so this is what we can show you. Each picture was taken with each car in the same spot, both cars were at idle and no other accessories were running. Each orange stake shown was at 25 foot increment up to 200 feet, and the reflective sign at the farthest was at 500 feet away.

Picture 1 is the Rigid Industries E-Series 30” LED light bar. Picture 2 is the Vision-X Xmitter 32” LED light bar. Picture 3 is the Vision-X Xmitter 42” LED light bar.


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And there you have it, that was what we tested and how we tested it. Is one bar better than the other, is there a better bar, is there a cheaper bar, is there a bar with more light out put, less amp draw? Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes. Take the information found in this article and my tests to make your decision on your purchase if you are looking to buy an LED bar. In summary we can say this. The Rigid 30” had less amp draw, less volts lost, and more light output at 200 feet over the Vision-X 32” & 42” LED light bar. The Vision-X 42” LED light bar put out the most amount of light at 25 feet almost double the amount put out by the Rigid 30” and the Vision-X 32”.

I hope this has been informative and will help clear the air on the rumors and expectations of LED light bars. Look forward to more product shoot-outs and testing for all the www.UTVCHAT.com forum members and anyone else who stumbles upon it.

Ok now I'm more confused than ever. Based on the pictures, the Vision bar seems to have a much broader, much brighter light output than the Rigid. I know you claim that the Rigid reaches out farther, but it doesn't appear to be much better than the Vision (if any). After all the talk about the Rigid having better "reflectors" than Visions, I was expecting the Rigid to blow Vision away.
I still say a combo of HID spots and LEDs would be the best, and based on your pics. the Vision is a much better flood.

the E-Series Rigid light is a combo of flood and spot reflectors, the vision light is all euro pattern(flood). Rigid makes lights in combo, spot or flood. A combo was used in this test, had they used a flood it would have been a much, much wider pattern. And the distance is MUCH better than the vision, look at the foot candle chart on the 30 vs 32, there is no comparison in the distance, Rigid is many times brighter. And again on the 42", the Rigid 30 still wins.

Do you have to bolt to the frame or can you bolt them to the roof panel???

They could be bolted to the roof panel. BUT, the panel would need some extra support where the bolts go through to keep the light from tweaking the metal as the light tries to rock back and forth. Some sort of plate on the underside to spread the load over a larger area.

Pete, I finally got my light bar mounted and now getting you the pics. I called Rigid to get the mounting tabs that come with the light (I didn't get a set). They were great and sent them right out, unfortunately I couldn't use them.

Had to make some tabs, pretty simple in design, as you can see. I'll have to get some paint to touch up the PC. I am also going to get the wiring redone, I don't like the wheather pac plugs on the roof, so I wiil reverse them so the plug is under the dash but still have it unplug if I ever want to take the light bar off.

Thanks again, Matt

looks great Matt, any reviews on the light output...Very nice mount job..
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RIGID

Im thinking of going this direction on my next build. Question... Can you get these in a specific length? or are there only pre-made lengths. Also was wondering if they make a cover for them?
Thanks,
Dave

Looks good Matt. Almost like the light was meant for the car. It fits nice.


Dave, The lights are pre-made to specific lengths.

4"
6"
10"
20"
30"
40"
50"

They don't have a cover but one could easily be made from a sheet of ABS.

Be careful using those lengths. Those aren't the overall lengths. Just the basically the lexan light cover. I got the 40" bar expecting the overall length to be 40" like the xmitter, but the overall length of the Rigis 40" is more like 43". Now I need to get rid of mine and get a smaller one. And the mounting brackets they come with are junk. Make your own or get some billet ones. The ones that came with my Rigid light broke on the second dune ride over Presidents and the bar actually came inside and hit me in the nose. I also agree that you need a couple HID's also with these lightsbars.

Wow Kyle-way to crap all over someone's lively hood with Chineeeese lights.

your right man.... my bad!
I shouldnt have even posted those in here
he HAS a NICE product!!!

Hey, there may have been a more tactful way to announce in a different thread, BUT COMPETITION IS HEALTHY and will get us, the consumer, a better price and better product.

If Kyle's lights don't hold up, they won't sell, but if the quality is there, it is good for the consumer to have a more affordable option. I know I personally would love a bar for my truck and quad, but right now there are just too expensive. I have been patiently waiting for a more affordable option, and it looks like it is soon to be here!

I am waiting with ears open to hear prices Kyle.

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Wierd. I saw the reply in my email but when I got here it was gone. I don't care if you post the crappy chinese stuff here. Post away. TOYOTA61384 is right. Competition is healthy. I deal with junk from the Chinese light makers all the time. The lights are great for being seen by others but weather or not they allow you to see is another thing.

The light pattern is great for what I do. I have 2 Acro hid's (modified beam) low on the front and they don't add much to the pattern. I have 2 Eagle Eye spots in the garage that I plan to put on and I think they will reach out farther than the LED's which will complete it for me.

Thanks on the compliments

My outside measurement is 41 1/2'' for those of you looking. I also have a set of the brackets that come with the light. Rigid sent them to me on a phone call and since I couldn't use them I'd like to pass them along to someone who can. Just let me know if you need them.

Thanks.... I'll get a measurement as soon as comes out of sheet metal.......I'm interested!!

Cool Double Trouble. Since IBal-in-AZ reminded me the lights are actually 3/4" inch longer on each end. So a 40" light is actually 41 1/2" long. I'll update that on the first page. As far as the mounting brackets they come with being junk I don't know what to tell ya. I've never heard of them breaking. But I have no doubt they could. They arn't the most burley looking things. Most of the people I know that use these things weld tabs to their car like Matt did.

The LED lights seem to be getting more and more popular. Since my price has been reduced I'll go ahead and reduce the price to anyone that would like a light. I've revised the prices on the first page. Everything is in stock and ready to ship.

You can now get them with amber lenses too.







Because the optics is so nice on the Rigid light it can run at almost half the power of the Vision X light.

If more flood or spot is required the reflectors can be reconfigured on the Rigid light.

how wide can the smaller ones throw the light? im kinda thinkin about getting one for my quad, probably the 6". i have 2 of the kragen 4" hids so they do great. i also have one of the stock headlights HID. im wanting to change the 2 other lights to HID, but i am wondering how led will do. i just though of this while looking at your topic. i dont really need to throw light out far, since the 2 on the bars are great for that. do the 6" bars have a wide flood pattern?

like i said, just thought of this while looking at your lights(and prices ) i planned on putting a couple kragen hids there, but it might be cool to put a couple of your bars there. just thinking and seeing what you think.



here's a old pic, i want the 2 halogens upgraded.