Currently I have a 02 raptor with everything done on it. Susp. and all. I weigh 260 pounds and I am 6ft 4 in. Is the new 450 a better bike for me or is it to small. What is the horsepower and torque of the two different bikes, and is Honda making a fast 4 stroke as well.
Thank you for your help in advance
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I'm 5'7" and the 450 fits me nice. I have riden a Raptor for a day and it ws just a lillte big for me. I'm gonna say stick with the Raptor....much more torque for ya. (Law of cc's) also the YZF450 is about 6" lower in the seat...
Brandon you should ck out the DS650. It's a big bike for big guys and has real good HP. I know a couple of guys that have them and they just love them...
I think Kawasaki has some huge 700cc beast.
KFX700 V Force with a 697cc, four-stroke, 90-dgree V-twin engine.
KFX700 V Force with a 697cc, four-stroke, 90-dgree V-twin engine.
Stick to the raptor.
The 450 will feel like you are on a blaster.
The 450 will feel like you are on a blaster.
Hey thank yo for the info so far. Does anyone know the h.p ratings between the bikes. I was told the 450 is super light, and the ds650 is real heavy is this true?
Has anyone close to my size and weight ridden both bikes?
Has anyone close to my size and weight ridden both bikes?
I am 5'11" 240lbs, and I have an '01 Raptor, did some work, front a arms, pipe, air filter, changed sprocket sizes, just bought a +4 swing arm, shock etc, I also have a YFZ 450, I love both bikes, the Raptor is a smoother ride, feels like it fits me better and I can ride it longer without getting tired, the 450 is a kick ass bike, it does feel a bit small, but it is also a different riding style bike, on the raptor you pretty much point it at whatever and it goes there, on the 450 it can be tossed around a bit, and I find myself moving around alot more, hence I get tired quicker, but for a bigger guy I would say stick with the raptor, specially since you have done work to it, if I had to decide between buying a stock 450 or raptor, I think I would be 51% 450 49% raptor, that would be one damn hard decesion, hope it helps,
Ian
Ian
Brandon if you remember I was going to buy your Raptor last season. I ended up buying an 01 DS650 and like it much better than the Raptor. I believe we are close to the same size, 6'3 220lbs? The DS has more power and much smoother ride. Yes its heavy but when your duning it doesnt feel like it. I have converted several Raptor owners over to the DS after riding mine. The best way to describe the ride is it takes you for a ride! Its a quad you can ride all day long and not get tired becuase its almost effortless ridding when you want to cruise the dunes or you can haul @ss and the bike will soak up anything like a long travel car.
I will be out Pres weekend if you want to test ride it.
I will be out Pres weekend if you want to test ride it.
| QUOTE (Brandon Long @ Jan 20 2004, 11:35 PM) |
| Currently I have a 02 raptor with everything done on it. Susp. and all. I weigh 260 pounds and I am 6ft 4 in. Is the new 450 a better bike for me or is it to small. What is the horsepower and torque of the two different bikes, and is Honda making a fast 4 stroke as well. Thank you for your help in advance |
jus courious...
are you talking about mostly dune riding for your decision?
Yes I am doing mostly dune riding and some in Mexico. Rubths thank you for the offer I might take you up on this because I have actually heard good things about that bike.
Hey guys I have another question. I have a good line on a nice banshee with susp. done. Does anyone have any input on them. How are they compared to the 3 bikes in size.
Thank you in advance
Hey guys I have another question. I have a good line on a nice banshee with susp. done. Does anyone have any input on them. How are they compared to the 3 bikes in size.
Thank you in advance
I ride a banshee, and I love it.
I weigh 235 and a lot of people told me to go with a bigger 4-stroke, but nothing compares to the powerband on these things.
I couldn't imagine going back now.
I weigh 235 and a lot of people told me to go with a bigger 4-stroke, but nothing compares to the powerband on these things.
I couldn't imagine going back now.
I also have a built banshee as well and prefere the DS over it all day long. Banshees are nice bikes once you build them but in stock form they are hard to dune power wise. The DS is just an effortless ride while the banshee tires me out preaty quick and theres that mixing gas thing and or race gas. I tell you I love my bike more and more everytime it comes time to fill it up for another ride, just pull up to my pump station and its full of 91 in a minute 
Wait till Pres weekend and ride mine before you make your decission and I would put money down that you end up with a DS.
Wait till Pres weekend and ride mine before you make your decission and I would put money down that you end up with a DS.
Rubths,
I appreciate the offer and would like to take you up on it. I agree with you that the ds is a larger bike and it does look real smooth but my concern is the weight because after riding a 250r this weekend (not enough power) but the weight was awesome the way it would jump and handle. This is what brought up the first question about 450. Then the speed issue is the ds faster than the raptor?
I appreciate the offer and would like to take you up on it. I agree with you that the ds is a larger bike and it does look real smooth but my concern is the weight because after riding a 250r this weekend (not enough power) but the weight was awesome the way it would jump and handle. This is what brought up the first question about 450. Then the speed issue is the ds faster than the raptor?
My DS is faster than a Raptor all day long and much faster than a 250r. I have not raced any 450's yet but I think they would be faster up the hill but I hear they ride like a 2 stroke when it comes to the gears. I like the fact that I can put my bike in 3rd or 4th ride the dunes fast slow doesnt matter and never have to shift. The bike will go up anything in almost any gear. As far as the weight issue get that out of your mind becuase it doesnt ride like a heavy bike nor does the weight effect the power.
Not sure but didn't the new DS lose a little weight something like 20 or more pounds. Just a thought might help with your decision
I'm 6'4 230 and went from a banshee to yfz450. When I first sat on it I said the same thing. Then I sat on one that had the bars raised about an inch (trail tech clamp). It made a huge difference. After a couple rides I got the new bars and It feels alot better. I've ridden raptors and ds650 and wouldn't trade in the yfz for any of those. Raise the bars up a bit and you'll be happy with it. You're better off sticking with the raptor than getting on of the tanks (ie.. DS650, V700's) With a simple cam mod which is free some new jets and a pipe you'll smoke raptors and ds650's and kawisucki's all day.
Thank you everyone for your responses
| QUOTE (sicaz shee @ Jan 22 2004, 07:24 PM) |
| I'm 6'4 230 and went from a banshee to yfz450. When I first sat on it I said the same thing. Then I sat on one that had the bars raised about an inch (trail tech clamp). It made a huge difference. After a couple rides I got the new bars and It feels alot better. I've ridden raptors and ds650 and wouldn't trade in the yfz for any of those. Raise the bars up a bit and you'll be happy with it. You're better off sticking with the raptor than getting on of the tanks (ie.. DS650, V700's) With a simple cam mod which is free some new jets and a pipe you'll smoke raptors and ds650's and kawisucki's all day. |
yep...what he said! but for pure dunes...id consider a shee as well too.
Buy a bomb, toughest quad ever built. I can ride extremely hard for 3 days and my butt never complains once. Should see the faces of the guys on Banshees when you're on their arrses all day long! Wait till I do the modify the top end and get rid of the rev limiter! I've tried....you can't break this bike! If you want to ride..buy a bomb. If you want to wrench buy a Shee. I have nothing but good to say about the DS. Eff the weight, extra weight means strength.
THE BOMB
THE BOMB
I looked at one and it seems like they have quite a bit more susp. travel maybe you (bomb) or (Rubths) knows the travel. Thanks
The DS are fast, for the weight of them they are one of the fastest as top speeds and times quads out there, I saw it in a older dirt wheels after the Z and pred came out the did a 8 quad shootout and it was fast!
lol...lots of opinions...lots of good info! but...you need to see what feels best for YOU!!! go to someplace like chapperall...sit on em all...see what you fit on!! from my experience...the DS...like the shee...dosent handle too well at all. At 4stroke wars last weekend...the DS bikes were the first ones eliminated. Why? Caues they couldnt get over the whoops!!! like someone else said...the shee will beat you up too. raptor is a nice compramise...good power...good handeling...dependable? thats questionable. the YZF is still new...but the one that i rode will blow your socks off!!!! but the suspension is set up quite stiff. its set up for MX but the power will blow you away. with a few simple mods (yfzcentral.com) you wont belive what it can do. every bike has its pros and cons. let us know what u get!!!
Rubths at 6'3"!? You gotta be kidding me! Try 5'10"
Thank you everyone I will let you know what I decide on....
I have a raptor and YFZ, I love my raptor, but if I was to do it over again, I would stick with the YFZ, I bought it for my bro to ride, he kicks my butt up the hill every time, we put a pipe, filter, jets, and cam mod, the bike friggin rocks, and the best part about that bike is the center of gravity it is so low, that the bike doesnt want to stand up when you hit the gas like a raptor, cresting hills is the best, if you stay on the gas the front end just floats, it is easy to wheelie and the balance point is huge. My raptor has all sorts of suspension mods and stuff, that is why I am keeping it, but stock for stock, I would jump for the YFZ. just my 2 cents, remember, go sit on all of them, jump up and down, feel the suspension, you are gonna be riding it, not us. good luck, see ya in the dunes. Ian
I'll be selling my built Banshee with desert racing suspension as I just bought a 2004 DS 650 Baja X. After riding one in the dunes during T-day, I was hooked. The DS650 rode like a Cadillac! I thought I had good suspension and handling on my Banshee (compared to a stock Banshee), but the stock DS felt better.
| QUOTE (Screamin Ian @ Jan 30 2004, 11:37 AM) |
| I have a raptor and YFZ, I love my raptor, but if I was to do it over again, I would stick with the YFZ, I bought it for my bro to ride, he kicks my butt up the hill every time, we put a pipe, filter, jets, and cam mod, the bike friggin rocks, and the best part about that bike is the center of gravity it is so low, that the bike doesnt want to stand up when you hit the gas like a raptor, cresting hills is the best, if you stay on the gas the front end just floats, it is easy to wheelie and the balance point is huge. My raptor has all sorts of suspension mods and stuff, that is why I am keeping it, but stock for stock, I would jump for the YFZ. just my 2 cents, remember, go sit on all of them, jump up and down, feel the suspension, you are gonna be riding it, not us. good luck, see ya in the dunes. Ian |
Dude...you bought your bro a YFZ....
I wish i had a bro like you when i was growing up
yeah, a couple seasons ago when I had a buggy I bought him a warrior to learn how to ride on, and in case something happened to the buggy I wouldnt be stuck in the dunes, well I decided to sell the buggy, bought a raptor, he out grew the warrior, so after careful consideration of all quads available, I/we decided that the YFZ would be the best bike for him, in trade he cuts my lawn, and does a couple other things once a week for me, it works out for everyone, he has a bike and learns what having a job is like, and I get my lawn cut. I told him that if he starts not doing what is suppossed to be done, he will get warnings, then if he doesnt shape up, then I repo the bike until it is done, so far so good, he is a good kid, he is worth it.
how cool is that!!!
your a good bro 
my brother just sits on his lazy arse all day heh, not to mention he lives in NY, dont have very many atvs out there
my brother just sits on his lazy arse all day heh, not to mention he lives in NY, dont have very many atvs out there
Thanks cuda, he definately got the good end of the deal, we have since moved and we live kind of far for him to come up and work around the house, he is now a Senior in High School, so maybe over the summer I can hire him to work around our ranch, and give him some pocket money at the same time. (I now have 52 acers to take care of so I could use the help)
I don't know much but if you are a big boy 220+ the more displacement the better for duning. It depends on what you are wanting to do but if it is getting to the top of the hill 1st buy a banshee! Put 2g's on top of the bike cost & NO four stroke will touch you unless they have 10g's in it overall(or nitrous). That's why when your at the hill you see 4 strokes running their own & vise versa. I have not seen it but hear some yfz's are very fast though(this is an allout race engine & is supposed to be rebuilt after 10 hours of use as told to me buy a Yamaha mechanic). Like it has been said what ever feels best for you is the way to go.
CG, I dont want to get into a huge argument, by I have both a YFZ and a Raptor, a stock YFZ schools my piped raptor by at least 4 bike lengths no matter who is riding it. My bro and I put a pipe, filter, etc and did the cam mod and he smokes piped banshees all day long, We have had the bike since Sept '03 and have ridden the hell out of it, and it still runs strong, only thing we have done is change the oil and lube the chain. Stock for stock, and reliability wise, you cannot touch a YFZ with a banshee. I have ridden my raptor, my YFZ, a piped banshee, and overall for the hill and duning I will pick the YFZ all day long, AND I am 5'11" 255lbs.
Ian, not looking for an argument 
just giving my opinion... 1st off pipes are not 2 g's in mods($500). With that a filter, milled head, port & polish & clutch to get it to the ground & that is a good start & our budget is exhausted. If you want to keep going lets get bigger carbs, overbore, long rods & extended swingarm we are talking about a very fast machine. I don't think for the same $ you would be able to make an almost maxed out engine that much faster. I am sure in a stock vs stock race it would be laughable. I have rode a 426 Yam cycle & it was VERY fast. I think it depends on what you want to do. If you want to dune a 4's broad, torquey powerband is great & not as fatiguing. If you want to run the hill & be FIRST put your $ in something where the sky is the limit in upgrades. A yfz's clyinder is ceramic & cannot be bored. This is the reason why it is recommended that the piston be reringed in such a short time so you do not damage the walls. I will be honest & say I have not raced an yfz but am looking forward to seeing just how fast they are. I will say that I have NEVER lost to a 4 stroke but with that being all that is out now I am sure there are some much faster than my mediumly built shee. At my age(29) my racing days on a quad are coming to an end in the near future. If someone reads this hope it didn't bore you...
PS Ian congrats on your BC/GW moderater posistion. Also hope you get your rail soon & your side panels are the sweetest I have seen
just giving my opinion... 1st off pipes are not 2 g's in mods($500). With that a filter, milled head, port & polish & clutch to get it to the ground & that is a good start & our budget is exhausted. If you want to keep going lets get bigger carbs, overbore, long rods & extended swingarm we are talking about a very fast machine. I don't think for the same $ you would be able to make an almost maxed out engine that much faster. I am sure in a stock vs stock race it would be laughable. I have rode a 426 Yam cycle & it was VERY fast. I think it depends on what you want to do. If you want to dune a 4's broad, torquey powerband is great & not as fatiguing. If you want to run the hill & be FIRST put your $ in something where the sky is the limit in upgrades. A yfz's clyinder is ceramic & cannot be bored. This is the reason why it is recommended that the piston be reringed in such a short time so you do not damage the walls. I will be honest & say I have not raced an yfz but am looking forward to seeing just how fast they are. I will say that I have NEVER lost to a 4 stroke but with that being all that is out now I am sure there are some much faster than my mediumly built shee. At my age(29) my racing days on a quad are coming to an end in the near future. If someone reads this hope it didn't bore you...PS Ian congrats on your BC/GW moderater posistion. Also hope you get your rail soon & your side panels are the sweetest I have seen
CG, I hear you, if you want to run the hill, and want to get a bike with an unlimited motor, then a shee would be the way to go, but if I was going to do that, I would drop a 600 streetbike motor in a quad and call it done.
Thanks for the compliments, I appreciate it.
Thanks for the compliments, I appreciate it.
i can sympathize, we have 52 acres in missouri, 8 of which is clearing, always having to go through the woods hacking up trees and carrying them back
QUOTE(CG Duner @ Mar 26 2005, 05:52 PM)
Ian, not looking for an argument just giving my opinion... 1st off pipes are not 2 g's in mods($500). With that a filter, milled head, port & polish & clutch to get it to the ground & that is a good start & our budget is exhausted. If you want to keep going lets get bigger carbs, overbore, long rods & extended swingarm we are talking about a very fast machine. I don't think for the same $ you would be able to make an almost maxed out engine that much faster. I am sure in a stock vs stock race it would be laughable. I have rode a 426 Yam cycle & it was VERY fast. I think it depends on what you want to do. If you want to dune a 4's broad, torquey powerband is great & not as fatiguing. If you want to run the hill & be FIRST put your $ in something where the sky is the limit in upgrades. A yfz's clyinder is ceramic & cannot be bored. This is the reason why it is recommended that the piston be reringed in such a short time so you do not damage the walls. I will be honest & say I have not raced an yfz but am looking forward to seeing just how fast they are. I will say that I have NEVER lost to a 4 stroke but with that being all that is out now I am sure there are some much faster than my mediumly built shee. At my age(29) my racing days on a quad are coming to an end in the near future. If someone reads this hope it didn't bore you...
PS Ian congrats on your BC/GW moderater posistion. Also hope you get your rail soon & your side panels are the sweetest I have seen
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just giving my opinion... 1st off pipes are not 2 g's in mods($500). With that a filter, milled head, port & polish & clutch to get it to the ground & that is a good start & our budget is exhausted. If you want to keep going lets get bigger carbs, overbore, long rods & extended swingarm we are talking about a very fast machine. I don't think for the same $ you would be able to make an almost maxed out engine that much faster. I am sure in a stock vs stock race it would be laughable. I have rode a 426 Yam cycle & it was VERY fast. I think it depends on what you want to do. If you want to dune a 4's broad, torquey powerband is great & not as fatiguing. If you want to run the hill & be FIRST put your $ in something where the sky is the limit in upgrades. A yfz's clyinder is ceramic & cannot be bored. This is the reason why it is recommended that the piston be reringed in such a short time so you do not damage the walls. I will be honest & say I have not raced an yfz but am looking forward to seeing just how fast they are. I will say that I have NEVER lost to a 4 stroke but with that being all that is out now I am sure there are some much faster than my mediumly built shee. At my age(29) my racing days on a quad are coming to an end in the near future. If someone reads this hope it didn't bore you...PS Ian congrats on your BC/GW moderater posistion. Also hope you get your rail soon & your side panels are the sweetest I have seen
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You are right that for the same $ a banshee will be faster at the hill. That said, you are wrong about the rest. A yfz cylinder is ceramic????? Have to rebuild after 10 hours??? If I were you, I would slap the hell out of whoever is giving you your info. Because my "ceramic cylindered" bored/stroked yfz runs just great. Show me the ceramic in this pic please.
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You are right that for the same $ a banshee will be faster at the hill. That said, you are wrong about the rest. A yfz cylinder is ceramic????? Have to rebuild after 10 hours??? If I were you, I would slap the hell out of whoever is giving you your info. Because my "ceramic cylindered" bored/stroked yfz runs just great.
I'm not going to put the guy on the spot(in case I got it mixed up) but it is a Yamaha dealer owner/mechanic(25+ yrs in business) that gave me the yfz info. I am NO mechanic but that cylinder looks metallic just like any other from what I can tell. I will ask him again when I see him to get more info. Also I will look around to see if I can find anything about it. As said before I have only heard good things about it's handling & POWER! Hopefully will see some at the hill next trip to see if my 4 stroke string ends!
You are right that for the same $ a banshee will be faster at the hill. That said, you are wrong about the rest. A yfz cylinder is ceramic????? Have to rebuild after 10 hours??? If I were you, I would slap the hell out of whoever is giving you your info. Because my "ceramic cylindered" bored/stroked yfz runs just great.
I'm not going to put the guy on the spot(in case I got it mixed up) but it is a Yamaha dealer owner/mechanic(25+ yrs in business) that gave me the yfz info. I am NO mechanic but that cylinder looks metallic just like any other from what I can tell. I will ask him again when I see him to get more info. Also I will look around to see if I can find anything about it. As said before I have only heard good things about it's handling & POWER! Hopefully will see some at the hill next trip to see if my 4 stroke string ends!
QUOTE(CG Duner @ Mar 28 2005, 05:23 PM)
Hopefully will see some at the hill next trip to see if my 4 stroke string ends!
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Look me up when you get there, I may be able to help you with that.
QUOTE(24v @ Mar 29 2005, 04:19 AM)
QUOTE(CG Duner @ Mar 28 2005, 05:23 PM)
Hopefully will see some at the hill next trip to see if my 4 stroke string ends!
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Look me up when you get there, I may be able to help you with that.
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Little effer broke my streak
But there's allways next time 
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