Full Version: Law Enforcement Crackdown In Glamis
on off weekends you never even see a leo...
QUOTE (UTV Mayhem @ Jan 22 2009, 10:39 AM) 
on off weekends you never even see a leo...
Not enough tickets to write to justify using their gas.
I too experienced this New Years when I was hit with a $100 fine for using gas to light up our Christmas trees. When they ripped into our camp as if they had free reign, they sited a friend for having a Glass bottle beer $100 and another friend $100 because his trash was knocked over (littering). Their actions were very unreasonable for the go and borderline aggressive in tones and nature. No one at our camp was being rude or disrespectful in any way but that didn't matter. The biggest issue I have with this is their tactics, the first law of law enforcement is crimes prevent but if you watch what they are doing is, they hide just outside your camp, wait for you to do something illegal and then they come in like SWAT and nail you. They should enter the camps before and offer up flyers or conversation, I would find this more productive. I guess I should have known gas was not the best thing to use but a simple warning would have worked fine with me and I would never do it again. As for their comments when I asked why. It is our responsibility to go on line to the rules and Reg and know them...They have no interest in educating just getting their jollies.
QUOTE (lexuspray @ Feb 7 2009, 04:28 PM)
I too experienced this New Years when I was hit with a $100 fine for using gas to light up our Christmas trees. When they ripped into our camp as if they had free reign, they sited a friend for having a Glass bottle beer $100 and another friend $100 because his trash was knocked over (littering). Their actions were very unreasonable for the go and borderline aggressive in tones and nature. No one at our camp was being rude or disrespectful in any way but that didn't matter. The biggest issue I have with this is their tactics, the first law of law enforcement is crimes prevent but if you watch what they are doing is, they hide just outside your camp, wait for you to do something illegal and then they come in like SWAT and nail you. They should enter the camps before and offer up flyers or conversation, I would find this more productive. I guess I should have known gas was not the best thing to use but a simple warning would have worked fine with me and I would never do it again. As for their comments when I asked why. It is our responsibility to go on line to the rules and Reg and know them...They have no interest in educating just getting their jollies.
educating doesn't generate revenue$$$$$$$$$$$$$
yeah they are really unresonable and even have a fair amount of attitude.....last thankgiving trip they woke me up cuz my trash bag had fallen on its side and a few cups had spilled.......then they went on to say that glamis wasn't my house that it was THIER HOUSE!!! 
total deschbags.....
total deschbags.....
QUOTE (Mac @ Nov 19 2008, 12:22 PM)
So there are lots of threads on the topic of law enforcement crackdown in Glamis. Where are they going with this? While everything they are doing has been laws...on the books...but out of no where...BAM!...they decide to start enforcing them. People are having there toys impounded, tickets are being written like no tomorrow, people being stopped for general purpose. How much more of this are we to expect?
I suspected there would be some new enforement this season, but not to this extent. I took the time to ensure all our toys were registered (which they always are), make copies of the registrations and put in all our Camelbacks, Have the entire family take the ATV safety course and carry copies of our cards, carry our driver's licenses, replaced old whips, checked all our riding gear, quit drinking...even just a beer if riding. What am I missing?
Now I'm concerned that while my 2 TRX70's that I restored are registered and I have the titles, I can't remember for the life of me the VINs are on the bikes. If it's just the original Honda factory stickers, I'm screwed. I have them, but would need to find a way to refix them to the bikes. Could this be seen as maybe an "attempt" to deceive a LEO if stopped? Should I take these down to DMV and have them etched/VIN plate riveted to the frame?
I feel I am covered and legal to camp and ride in Glamis without fear of a ticket or impound. Do I approach a LEO and say..."I have a few questions and want to make sure I am covered. Can you assist me?" Am I making myself a soft target?
Since when has the slogan changed from "Protect and Serve" to "Cite and Harass"? I should be able to approach any LEO and ask for assistance without fear. This is absolute BS what is going on this season.
damn dude take a breather, laws are laws, i think for the most part the BLM is only going after those that are acting up and nothing more. I haven't had one bit of trouble since going to Glamis. but i guess that's just me. lighten up ....take a ride mang..LOL
Is there anything that is being done? Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated.
I suspected there would be some new enforement this season, but not to this extent. I took the time to ensure all our toys were registered (which they always are), make copies of the registrations and put in all our Camelbacks, Have the entire family take the ATV safety course and carry copies of our cards, carry our driver's licenses, replaced old whips, checked all our riding gear, quit drinking...even just a beer if riding. What am I missing?
Now I'm concerned that while my 2 TRX70's that I restored are registered and I have the titles, I can't remember for the life of me the VINs are on the bikes. If it's just the original Honda factory stickers, I'm screwed. I have them, but would need to find a way to refix them to the bikes. Could this be seen as maybe an "attempt" to deceive a LEO if stopped? Should I take these down to DMV and have them etched/VIN plate riveted to the frame?
I feel I am covered and legal to camp and ride in Glamis without fear of a ticket or impound. Do I approach a LEO and say..."I have a few questions and want to make sure I am covered. Can you assist me?" Am I making myself a soft target?
Since when has the slogan changed from "Protect and Serve" to "Cite and Harass"? I should be able to approach any LEO and ask for assistance without fear. This is absolute BS what is going on this season.
damn dude take a breather, laws are laws, i think for the most part the BLM is only going after those that are acting up and nothing more. I haven't had one bit of trouble since going to Glamis. but i guess that's just me. lighten up ....take a ride mang..LOL
Is there anything that is being done? Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated.
I hate to beat a dead horse here guys but I just wanted to clear a few things up.
These are 4th amendment rights BLM land or not.
Probable cause is the legal standard by which a police officer has the right to make an arrest, conduct a personal or property search, or to obtain a warrant for arrest. While many factors contribute to a police officer’s level of authority in a given situation, the probable cause standard requires facts or evidence that would lead a reasonable person to believe that a
suspect has committed a crime.
Common examples of probable cause include the sight or smell of contraband in plain view or plain smell, or an admission of guilt for a specific crime. The presentation of any of these facts would allow an officer to perform a search and make an arrest.
Be aware that minor traffic violations (e.g. speeding, broken tail-light, or expired registration) are not considered probable cause.
While there are certain situations where police need a warrant to search you or your property -- during a traffic stop, police only need probable cause to legally search your vehicle.
The major exception to the probable cause requirement for vehicle searches is consent. Most vehicle searches don't occur because police have probable cause. They occur because people get tricked or intimidated into consenting to search requests.
Consenting to a search request automatically makes the search legal in the eyes of the law. And the 4th Amendment doesn't require officers to tell you about your right to refuse. So if you're pulled over, don't try to figure out whether or not the officer has probable cause to legally search you. You always have the right to refuse search requests by stating, "Officer, I don't consent to any searches." Repeat, if necessary.
If you refuse consent but the officer searches you anyway and finds illegal items, your lawyer can file a motion to suppress -- or throw out -- the evidence in court. If the judge agrees that the officer's search violated the 4th Amendment's probable cause requirements, she'll grant the motion. Unless the prosecution has other evidence, your charges would be dismissed.
These are 4th amendment rights BLM land or not.
Probable cause is the legal standard by which a police officer has the right to make an arrest, conduct a personal or property search, or to obtain a warrant for arrest. While many factors contribute to a police officer’s level of authority in a given situation, the probable cause standard requires facts or evidence that would lead a reasonable person to believe that a
suspect has committed a crime. Common examples of probable cause include the sight or smell of contraband in plain view or plain smell, or an admission of guilt for a specific crime. The presentation of any of these facts would allow an officer to perform a search and make an arrest.
Be aware that minor traffic violations (e.g. speeding, broken tail-light, or expired registration) are not considered probable cause.
While there are certain situations where police need a warrant to search you or your property -- during a traffic stop, police only need probable cause to legally search your vehicle.
The major exception to the probable cause requirement for vehicle searches is consent. Most vehicle searches don't occur because police have probable cause. They occur because people get tricked or intimidated into consenting to search requests.
Consenting to a search request automatically makes the search legal in the eyes of the law. And the 4th Amendment doesn't require officers to tell you about your right to refuse. So if you're pulled over, don't try to figure out whether or not the officer has probable cause to legally search you. You always have the right to refuse search requests by stating, "Officer, I don't consent to any searches." Repeat, if necessary.
If you refuse consent but the officer searches you anyway and finds illegal items, your lawyer can file a motion to suppress -- or throw out -- the evidence in court. If the judge agrees that the officer's search violated the 4th Amendment's probable cause requirements, she'll grant the motion. Unless the prosecution has other evidence, your charges would be dismissed.
QUOTE (kofire @ Nov 1 2009, 06:57 PM)
I hate to beat a dead horse here guys but I just wanted to clear a few things up.
These are 4th amendment rights BLM land or not.
Probable cause is the legal standard by which a police officer has the right to make an arrest, conduct a personal or property search, or to obtain a warrant for arrest. While many factors contribute to a police officer’s level of authority in a given situation, the probable cause standard requires facts or evidence that would lead a reasonable person to believe that asuspect has committed a crime.
Common examples of probable cause include the sight or smell of contraband in plain view or plain smell, or an admission of guilt for a specific crime. The presentation of any of these facts would allow an officer to perform a search and make an arrest.
Be aware that minor traffic violations (e.g. speeding, broken tail-light, or expired registration) are not considered probable cause.
While there are certain situations where police need a warrant to search you or your property -- during a traffic stop, police only need probable cause to legally search your vehicle.
The major exception to the probable cause requirement for vehicle searches is consent. Most vehicle searches don't occur because police have probable cause. They occur because people get tricked or intimidated into consenting to search requests.
Consenting to a search request automatically makes the search legal in the eyes of the law. And the 4th Amendment doesn't require officers to tell you about your right to refuse. So if you're pulled over, don't try to figure out whether or not the officer has probable cause to legally search you. You always have the right to refuse search requests by stating, "Officer, I don't consent to any searches." Repeat, if necessary.
If you refuse consent but the officer searches you anyway and finds illegal items, your lawyer can file a motion to suppress -- or throw out -- the evidence in court. If the judge agrees that the officer's search violated the 4th Amendment's probable cause requirements, she'll grant the motion. Unless the prosecution has other evidence, your charges would be dismissed.
These are 4th amendment rights BLM land or not.
Probable cause is the legal standard by which a police officer has the right to make an arrest, conduct a personal or property search, or to obtain a warrant for arrest. While many factors contribute to a police officer’s level of authority in a given situation, the probable cause standard requires facts or evidence that would lead a reasonable person to believe that a
suspect has committed a crime. Common examples of probable cause include the sight or smell of contraband in plain view or plain smell, or an admission of guilt for a specific crime. The presentation of any of these facts would allow an officer to perform a search and make an arrest.
Be aware that minor traffic violations (e.g. speeding, broken tail-light, or expired registration) are not considered probable cause.
While there are certain situations where police need a warrant to search you or your property -- during a traffic stop, police only need probable cause to legally search your vehicle.
The major exception to the probable cause requirement for vehicle searches is consent. Most vehicle searches don't occur because police have probable cause. They occur because people get tricked or intimidated into consenting to search requests.
Consenting to a search request automatically makes the search legal in the eyes of the law. And the 4th Amendment doesn't require officers to tell you about your right to refuse. So if you're pulled over, don't try to figure out whether or not the officer has probable cause to legally search you. You always have the right to refuse search requests by stating, "Officer, I don't consent to any searches." Repeat, if necessary.
If you refuse consent but the officer searches you anyway and finds illegal items, your lawyer can file a motion to suppress -- or throw out -- the evidence in court. If the judge agrees that the officer's search violated the 4th Amendment's probable cause requirements, she'll grant the motion. Unless the prosecution has other evidence, your charges would be dismissed.
People in this country have been trained to follow everything a police officer says. Very few will stand up for their rights, or even know what their rights are.
I was speaking about 4th and 5th amendment rights at work a few months ago, and two of the employees (Both US born and raised) had NO idea that they could deny consent to search. They both were under the impression that refusal to search would give probable cause and one even thought that she could be taken to jail for denying consent.
Both of these people are in their mid 30's.
QUOTE (TACO @ Nov 19 2008, 01:10 PM)
QUOTE (Mac @ Nov 19 2008, 12:22 PM)
So there are lots of threads on the topic of law enforcement crackdown in Glamis. Where are they going with this? While everything they are doing has been laws...on the books...but out of no where...BAM!...they decide to start enforcing them. People are having there toys impounded, tickets are being written like no tomorrow, people being stopped for general purpose. How much more of this are we to expect?
I suspected there would be some new enforement this season, but not to this extent. I took the time to ensure all our toys were registered (which they always are), make copies of the registrations and put in all our Camelbacks, Have the entire family take the ATV safety course and carry copies of our cards, carry our driver's licenses, replaced old whips, checked all our riding gear, quit drinking...even just a beer if riding. What am I missing?
Now I'm concerned that while my 2 TRX70's that I restored are registered and I have the titles, I can't remember for the life of me the VINs are on the bikes. If it's just the original Honda factory stickers, I'm screwed. I have them, but would need to find a way to refix them to the bikes. Could this be seen as maybe an "attempt" to deceive a LEO if stopped? Should I take these down to DMV and have them etched/VIN plate riveted to the frame?
I feel I am covered and legal to camp and ride in Glamis without fear of a ticket or impound. Do I approach a LEO and say..."I have a few questions and want to make sure I am covered. Can you assist me?" Am I making myself a soft target?
Since when has the slogan changed from "Protect and Serve" to "Cite and Harass"? I should be able to approach any LEO and ask for assistance without fear. This is absolute BS what is going on this season.
Hell yeah someone sued!!!! that could be why the RR tracks are secured and BLM is making up for it read the news a couple years back the poor kids that killed crossing the RR tracks
Is there anything that is being done? Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated.
I suspected there would be some new enforement this season, but not to this extent. I took the time to ensure all our toys were registered (which they always are), make copies of the registrations and put in all our Camelbacks, Have the entire family take the ATV safety course and carry copies of our cards, carry our driver's licenses, replaced old whips, checked all our riding gear, quit drinking...even just a beer if riding. What am I missing?
Now I'm concerned that while my 2 TRX70's that I restored are registered and I have the titles, I can't remember for the life of me the VINs are on the bikes. If it's just the original Honda factory stickers, I'm screwed. I have them, but would need to find a way to refix them to the bikes. Could this be seen as maybe an "attempt" to deceive a LEO if stopped? Should I take these down to DMV and have them etched/VIN plate riveted to the frame?
I feel I am covered and legal to camp and ride in Glamis without fear of a ticket or impound. Do I approach a LEO and say..."I have a few questions and want to make sure I am covered. Can you assist me?" Am I making myself a soft target?
Since when has the slogan changed from "Protect and Serve" to "Cite and Harass"? I should be able to approach any LEO and ask for assistance without fear. This is absolute BS what is going on this season.
Hell yeah someone sued!!!! that could be why the RR tracks are secured and BLM is making up for it read the news a couple years back the poor kids that killed crossing the RR tracks
Is there anything that is being done? Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated.
The original VIN was a sticker on the bike? No engraved in the frame?
What ever the case is, you may be better just talking to a LEO about it, rather than showing them the bike. Like you said, whats to stop him from just taking it on the spot.
Call the Ranger Station....760-344-3919 see if someone can set you straight.
I agree, it seems like enforcement is getting pretty strict, but we've been asking for it for a LONG time. Maybe someone sued someone over them not doing their job?
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