This Thanksgiving was my first trip to Glamis with my first sand car and a great group of people.
Our camp Mayor (30 plus years dunning) got a ticket on his street legal jeep that he trailered in for not having a tow in permit that you can get for free at the ranger station. There is nothing posted when you drive in about this free permit and it was the first time the Mayor herd of it. Well long story short he got heated up. The rangers out there were real (_|_) holes and I was shocked being it my first time out there that they were so disrespectful to everyone in our camp. This ranger stomped threw our camp checking every thing and looking for anything to put a ticket on. I'm not advocating retaliation but buy the time this season is over I would bet they are going to hassle the wrong person and find themselves on the bad end of an (_|_) whooping. Here is another funny thing. The Mayor 62 years old and the ranger about 26 years old took a couple steps back,put his hand on his gun and told the Mayor to step back... he then called for some sort of back up, we all waited as he rampaged around threw our camp, none of his buddies showed up and he took off. He was back later with some women ranger taking another look around. OMG is this how my first family dunning season is going to be with these jerk offs.
Full Version: Tow In Permits......
It's looking like that's how they want to play it this year.
My plan is to keep informed of what rules are real and which ones are bogus and just keep following the rules. As long as they can't find anything to cite, I should be OK.
Although it would be amusing to whip out the DV cam and get some footage of just how unprofessional some of them behave, just in case their supervisor would like to witness it without being able to refute it. Video footage goes both ways.
My plan is to keep informed of what rules are real and which ones are bogus and just keep following the rules. As long as they can't find anything to cite, I should be OK.
Although it would be amusing to whip out the DV cam and get some footage of just how unprofessional some of them behave, just in case their supervisor would like to witness it without being able to refute it. Video footage goes both ways.
Their sh!t is weeeeeeak! Heard this time and again from many people this year, and it's still early in the season. It's hard to play by the rules if they aren't readily known. The rangers used to be friendly and respectful and now they're like gestapo. Even calm sober duners are being harassed excessively by these clowns for minor infractions. Hopefully they will tone it down a little and focus on the real troublemakers.
real troublemakers are more difficult to deal with, not "easy money"
QUOTE (rbjcampi @ Dec 11 2008, 08:52 PM) 
real troublemakers are more difficult to deal with, not "easy money"
Perfect. Well said.
Also for you guys that tow in your street legal vehicals do not forget about that permit. It appears the rangers give no warnings or go out of there way to help a person out.
Next thing you know You will have to get a permit to air down.
plus you'll get fined when you leave for taking ISDRA air out of the area
It'd sure be nice if they would put that rule on their web page, which shows last being updated 9-30-08, so it's not like the rules listed are out of date. Notice the part in bold below. How are people supposed to know if they don't list this rule and there are no signs at the dunes??????????? Do they want every single person to stop by the Ranger Station and ask "What's the new rule of the month this time?" 
QUOTE
Rules & Regulations
Rules are designed to promote public safety in the Imperial Sand Dunes and have been in effect since 1983. PLEASE REMEMBER, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THE LAW. These rules apply to public lands within the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
RECREATION PERMIT. A permit is required for all primary vehicles; a primary vehicle is a street legal vehicle used for transportation to the recreation site. Permits must be purchased on arrival and visibly displayed in the windshield of the primary vehicle with the date side facing out.
SAFETY FLAGS ARE REQUIRED ON ALL VEHICLES IN THE IMPERIAL SAND DUNES RECREATION AREA (This includes two-wheeled motorcycles.) All vehicles shall be equipped with a whip mast and a 6x12 inch red/orange flag. Flags may be of pennant, triangle, square, or rectangular shape. Masts must be securely mounted on the vehicle and extend 8 feet from the ground to the mast tip. Safety flags must be attached within 10 inches of the tip of the whip mast with club or other flags mounted below safety flag or on another whip.
A 15 MPH SPEED RULE EXISTS ON THE SAND HIGHWAYS. No person shall operate an OHV in excess of 15 mph on public lands within 500 feet of Highway 78, Grays Well Road, Gecko Road and access roads within the Gecko and Roadrunner recreation sites.
NO SAVING SPACES. Reserving of camping spaces is prohibited; sites are allocated on a first come/first serve basis.
FIRES The burning of potentially hazardous materials e.g.(but not limited to) gas, oil, plastic and magnesium is prohibited.
NO GLASS BEVERAGE CONTAINERS ARE ALLOWED. Possession or use of any glass, cup or bottle, empty or not, used for carrying any liquid for drinking purposes is prohibited. Persons may pick up glass beverage containers discarded by others to remove for deposit in approved trash receptacles.
NO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ALLOWED WHILE RIDING ON BLM LANDS. No person shall drink an alcoholic beverage, have in their possession or on their person any open container that contains an alcoholic beverage while operating in or on a motor vehicle or OHV on public lands administered by BLM within California. NO PERSON UNDER AGE 21 SHALL BE IN POSSESSION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
USE OF AUDIO DEVICES. No person shall operate or use any audio, such as a radio, television, musical instrument, or other noise producing device or motorized equipment between the hours of 10 pm and 6 am in a manner that makes unreasonable noise that disturbs other visitors; or operate or use a public address system without written authorization from BLM.
PUBLIC NUDITY.Public nudity is prohibited in the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
UNAUTHORIZED ORGANIZED EVENT. No person shall participate in or sponsor an unauthorized organized event (Example bands, videos, movies etc ).
RIDING IN PICKUP BEDS AND OTHER UNSAFE ACTIVITIES. No person shall ride in the bed of a pick up truck or any part of a motor vehicle not designed for passengers on or off road.
AIRCRAFT. Taking off or landing of aircraft, including ultralights, is prohibited within 1 mile of Gecko Road.
DUMPING. Dumping of sewage (black) and/or gray water is prohibited.
CAMPING LIMITATIONS. A 14 day camping limit is in effect in the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
PARKING RESTRICTIONS. No parking or camping within 10 feet of pavement on Gecko Road.
SHOOTING. Shooting is prohibited within 1/2 mile of formal campgrounds and should be conducted well away from other concentrations of people and property.
LEASH LAW. Animals must be kept on a leash not longer than six feet and secured to a fixed object or under the control of a person, or otherwise physically restricted at all times. (43 CFR 87365.2-1{c})
BLM supplementary rules reestablished under authority of 43 CFR 8365.1-6. Violations of the rules are punishable by a fine not to exceed $1,000 and/or imprisonment not to exceed 12 months (43 CFR 8360.0-7). Also, all OHVs must be operated in accordance with State laws and regulations relating to use, registration, operation, and inspection of OHVs(43 CFR 8341.1{d}).
Rules are designed to promote public safety in the Imperial Sand Dunes and have been in effect since 1983. PLEASE REMEMBER, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THE LAW. These rules apply to public lands within the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
RECREATION PERMIT. A permit is required for all primary vehicles; a primary vehicle is a street legal vehicle used for transportation to the recreation site. Permits must be purchased on arrival and visibly displayed in the windshield of the primary vehicle with the date side facing out.
SAFETY FLAGS ARE REQUIRED ON ALL VEHICLES IN THE IMPERIAL SAND DUNES RECREATION AREA (This includes two-wheeled motorcycles.) All vehicles shall be equipped with a whip mast and a 6x12 inch red/orange flag. Flags may be of pennant, triangle, square, or rectangular shape. Masts must be securely mounted on the vehicle and extend 8 feet from the ground to the mast tip. Safety flags must be attached within 10 inches of the tip of the whip mast with club or other flags mounted below safety flag or on another whip.
A 15 MPH SPEED RULE EXISTS ON THE SAND HIGHWAYS. No person shall operate an OHV in excess of 15 mph on public lands within 500 feet of Highway 78, Grays Well Road, Gecko Road and access roads within the Gecko and Roadrunner recreation sites.
NO SAVING SPACES. Reserving of camping spaces is prohibited; sites are allocated on a first come/first serve basis.
FIRES The burning of potentially hazardous materials e.g.(but not limited to) gas, oil, plastic and magnesium is prohibited.
NO GLASS BEVERAGE CONTAINERS ARE ALLOWED. Possession or use of any glass, cup or bottle, empty or not, used for carrying any liquid for drinking purposes is prohibited. Persons may pick up glass beverage containers discarded by others to remove for deposit in approved trash receptacles.
NO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ALLOWED WHILE RIDING ON BLM LANDS. No person shall drink an alcoholic beverage, have in their possession or on their person any open container that contains an alcoholic beverage while operating in or on a motor vehicle or OHV on public lands administered by BLM within California. NO PERSON UNDER AGE 21 SHALL BE IN POSSESSION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
USE OF AUDIO DEVICES. No person shall operate or use any audio, such as a radio, television, musical instrument, or other noise producing device or motorized equipment between the hours of 10 pm and 6 am in a manner that makes unreasonable noise that disturbs other visitors; or operate or use a public address system without written authorization from BLM.
PUBLIC NUDITY.Public nudity is prohibited in the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
UNAUTHORIZED ORGANIZED EVENT. No person shall participate in or sponsor an unauthorized organized event (Example bands, videos, movies etc ).
RIDING IN PICKUP BEDS AND OTHER UNSAFE ACTIVITIES. No person shall ride in the bed of a pick up truck or any part of a motor vehicle not designed for passengers on or off road.
AIRCRAFT. Taking off or landing of aircraft, including ultralights, is prohibited within 1 mile of Gecko Road.
DUMPING. Dumping of sewage (black) and/or gray water is prohibited.
CAMPING LIMITATIONS. A 14 day camping limit is in effect in the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
PARKING RESTRICTIONS. No parking or camping within 10 feet of pavement on Gecko Road.
SHOOTING. Shooting is prohibited within 1/2 mile of formal campgrounds and should be conducted well away from other concentrations of people and property.
LEASH LAW. Animals must be kept on a leash not longer than six feet and secured to a fixed object or under the control of a person, or otherwise physically restricted at all times. (43 CFR 87365.2-1{c})
BLM supplementary rules reestablished under authority of 43 CFR 8365.1-6. Violations of the rules are punishable by a fine not to exceed $1,000 and/or imprisonment not to exceed 12 months (43 CFR 8360.0-7). Also, all OHVs must be operated in accordance with State laws and regulations relating to use, registration, operation, and inspection of OHVs(43 CFR 8341.1{d}).
QUOTE (PGrin @ Dec 12 2008, 11:35 AM)
Next thing you know You will have to get a permit to air down.
That's where C.A.R.B. steps in!!!
I was just thinking, why are they writing so many tickets? Besides the obvious, revenue, what if they are trying to show that there are far to many infractions. That the ISDRA recreation area is out of control and needs to be monitored or traffic limited if you will. Just a thought, a crappy one but a thought.
QUOTE (bakednaz @ Dec 12 2008, 11:27 AM)
I was just thinking, why are they writing so many tickets? Besides the obvious, revenue, what if they are trying to show that there are far to many infractions. That the ISDRA recreation area is out of control and needs to be monitored or traffic limited if you will. Just a thought, a crappy one but a thought.
It is really quite simple, it is a cost effective way to clear the riff raft out of the dunes. There are studies that show that by aggressively enforcing the small things, infractions and very minor misdemeanors, there is a drop in the more serious crimes. Catching a guy steeling a buggy or quad, or committing an assault, is not as easy as all of the law enforcement experts here think. The individuals that do this stuff are not going to do it in front of Johnny Law. By beating everyone over the head with the little things, two things happen. One is the law abiding duners will get their act together, as many here are doing now, and will continue to enjoy Glamis. The second is the criminal element which can’t conform to society to save their lives will go else where. If the criminal that is riding a stolen quad, carrying a gun or both knows that if he rolls down sand highway, Olds, or the drags, there is an excellent chance he will get stopped, he isn’t going to go. The guy that likes to have a few cold ones before he hoops in his rail might not knowing that a he will very likely be stopped for some cheesy thing. The parents that let their kids tool all over G with no supervision, might change their program, because who wants a ticket for that. With all of us being forced to rethink how we act in the dunes one possible out come from this just might be fewer collisions, less crime and fewer deaths, all because we are all being hassled by the man.
QUOTE (SANDPSYCHO @ Dec 12 2008, 12:43 PM)
QUOTE (bakednaz @ Dec 12 2008, 11:27 AM)
I was just thinking, why are they writing so many tickets? Besides the obvious, revenue, what if they are trying to show that there are far to many infractions. That the ISDRA recreation area is out of control and needs to be monitored or traffic limited if you will. Just a thought, a crappy one but a thought.
It is really quite simple, it is a cost effective way to clear the riff raft out of the dunes. There are studies that show that by aggressively enforcing the small things, infractions and very minor misdemeanors, there is a drop in the more serious crimes. Catching a guy steeling a buggy or quad, or committing an assault, is not as easy as all of the law enforcement experts here think. The individuals that do this stuff are not going to do it in front of Johnny Law. By beating everyone over the head with the little things, two things happen. One is the law abiding duners will get their act together, as many here are doing now, and will continue to enjoy Glamis. The second is the criminal element which can’t conform to society to save their lives will go else where. If the criminal that is riding a stolen quad, carrying a gun or both knows that if he rolls down sand highway, Olds, or the drags, there is an excellent chance he will get stopped, he isn’t going to go. The guy that likes to have a few cold ones before he hoops in his rail might not knowing that a he will very likely be stopped for some cheesy thing. The parents that let their kids tool all over G with no supervision, might change their program, because who wants a ticket for that. With all of us being forced to rethink how we act in the dunes one possible out come from this just might be fewer collisions, less crime and fewer deaths, all because we are all being hassled by the man.
Good points.
totally agree very good points so at the end the good folks are left and we can leave our toys outside and enjoy the sand
you know , i have tried to search out any info on this tow in permit and cant find any info any where . this must have something to with the parking pass. if the vehicle you drive in with is obviously street legal . maybe this has something to do with the fact that you could say once out in the sand , this is my sand dune toy . that is all i can think of , maybe this permit exists for street legal vehicles that you "tow in " so they dont need a parking pass . just a thought , still i would like some info on it .eems odd no one has heard of it . tim
QUOTE (tim mesic @ Dec 13 2008, 11:15 AM)
you know , i have tried to search out any info on this tow in permit and cant find any info any where . this must have something to with the parking pass. if the vehicle you drive in with is obviously street legal . maybe this has something to do with the fact that you could say once out in the sand , this is my sand dune toy . that is all i can think of , maybe this permit exists for street legal vehicles that you "tow in " so they dont need a parking pass . just a thought , still i would like some info on it .eems odd no one has heard of it . tim
Exactly why the Mayor lost his cool with the ranger. Nothing posted on this new rule that we could fine. He trailerd his street legal jeep in. Put his whip on. It never saw the highway. He was ticketed for not having a tow in permit. He went up to the ranger station and picked up a free one. Its just a pass that you put on your dash. 2 others in our camp site went up and picked there FREE tow in permits as well. We noticed rangers walking up to a lot of jeep owners at olds and comp. I would bet they were checking for there passes. The mayor is going to fight the ticket. What a pain in the (_|_) for something that they hand out for free.
I'd be very interested in seeing details about the ticket, as I'm sure would some of the TRT members as at least one of them tows in his jeep and has been dealing with this for awhile.
You can find a discussion about the details about this here:
http://www.americansandassociation.org/php...=44&t=24737
The tow-in passes are not and never have been required as far as I or anyone I've talked to know. They are however available for towed in street legal vehicles to avoid confusion about whether or not they require a regular pass. I know at Gordons over Thanksgiving one of the people in our camp was given one when coming in since they saw his street legal truck on his trailer.
Now - there is a catch. (And I'm not saying I agree with this...just sharing the info) That vehicle can NOT go on any roads. That includes Ted Kipf, 78, I-8, Gecko and the wash road. As soon as that vehicle does more than cross any of those roads at a 90 degree angle the law considers it to be a "primary vehicle" and requires it to have a full pass.
Like I said, I don't agree with that. It's my belief that the very term "primary vehicle" means you can only have one. But the law disagrees and says that anything that drives on a road needs to have a full pass.
If your friend did drive on any of the roads, including Gecko, more than just crossing them at 90 degrees. He's SOL. Otherwise it should be an easy ticket to fight since they did issue him the towed in pass from what you're saying.
I would STRONGLY suggest contacting the TRT (and Glen Montgomery who posts here and on the ASA site as lobuck in particular) as this is something they are concerned about.
You can find a discussion about the details about this here:
http://www.americansandassociation.org/php...=44&t=24737
The tow-in passes are not and never have been required as far as I or anyone I've talked to know. They are however available for towed in street legal vehicles to avoid confusion about whether or not they require a regular pass. I know at Gordons over Thanksgiving one of the people in our camp was given one when coming in since they saw his street legal truck on his trailer.
Now - there is a catch. (And I'm not saying I agree with this...just sharing the info) That vehicle can NOT go on any roads. That includes Ted Kipf, 78, I-8, Gecko and the wash road. As soon as that vehicle does more than cross any of those roads at a 90 degree angle the law considers it to be a "primary vehicle" and requires it to have a full pass.
Like I said, I don't agree with that. It's my belief that the very term "primary vehicle" means you can only have one. But the law disagrees and says that anything that drives on a road needs to have a full pass.
If your friend did drive on any of the roads, including Gecko, more than just crossing them at 90 degrees. He's SOL. Otherwise it should be an easy ticket to fight since they did issue him the towed in pass from what you're saying.
I would STRONGLY suggest contacting the TRT (and Glen Montgomery who posts here and on the ASA site as lobuck in particular) as this is something they are concerned about.
jhitesma, thanks for that info. I will contact my friend jimmy today, its his Uncle that recieved the ticket. I will ask him about the details of the ticket. I was 20' away when the ranger walked up to the jeep and started writing. The jeep had not even left the camp site that day.
I'm very new to duning in Glamis but I just wanted to share the info.
I'm very new to duning in Glamis but I just wanted to share the info.
QUOTE (KingGlamis @ Dec 12 2008, 10:45 AM)
It'd sure be nice if they would put that rule on their web page, which shows last being updated 9-30-08, so it's not like the rules listed are out of date. Notice the part in bold below. How are people supposed to know if they don't list this rule and there are no signs at the dunes??????????? Do they want every single person to stop by the Ranger Station and ask "What's the new rule of the month this time?"
QUOTE
Rules & Regulations
Rules are designed to promote public safety in the Imperial Sand Dunes and have been in effect since 1983. PLEASE REMEMBER, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THE LAW. These rules apply to public lands within the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
RECREATION PERMIT. A permit is required for all primary vehicles; a primary vehicle is a street legal vehicle used for transportation to the recreation site. Permits must be purchased on arrival and visibly displayed in the windshield of the primary vehicle with the date side facing out.
SAFETY FLAGS ARE REQUIRED ON ALL VEHICLES IN THE IMPERIAL SAND DUNES RECREATION AREA (This includes two-wheeled motorcycles.) All vehicles shall be equipped with a whip mast and a 6x12 inch red/orange flag. Flags may be of pennant, triangle, square, or rectangular shape. Masts must be securely mounted on the vehicle and extend 8 feet from the ground to the mast tip. Safety flags must be attached within 10 inches of the tip of the whip mast with club or other flags mounted below safety flag or on another whip.
A 15 MPH SPEED RULE EXISTS ON THE SAND HIGHWAYS. No person shall operate an OHV in excess of 15 mph on public lands within 500 feet of Highway 78, Grays Well Road, Gecko Road and access roads within the Gecko and Roadrunner recreation sites.
NO SAVING SPACES. Reserving of camping spaces is prohibited; sites are allocated on a first come/first serve basis.
FIRES The burning of potentially hazardous materials e.g.(but not limited to) gas, oil, plastic and magnesium is prohibited.
NO GLASS BEVERAGE CONTAINERS ARE ALLOWED. Possession or use of any glass, cup or bottle, empty or not, used for carrying any liquid for drinking purposes is prohibited. Persons may pick up glass beverage containers discarded by others to remove for deposit in approved trash receptacles.
NO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ALLOWED WHILE RIDING ON BLM LANDS. No person shall drink an alcoholic beverage, have in their possession or on their person any open container that contains an alcoholic beverage while operating in or on a motor vehicle or OHV on public lands administered by BLM within California. NO PERSON UNDER AGE 21 SHALL BE IN POSSESSION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
USE OF AUDIO DEVICES. No person shall operate or use any audio, such as a radio, television, musical instrument, or other noise producing device or motorized equipment between the hours of 10 pm and 6 am in a manner that makes unreasonable noise that disturbs other visitors; or operate or use a public address system without written authorization from BLM.
PUBLIC NUDITY.Public nudity is prohibited in the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
UNAUTHORIZED ORGANIZED EVENT. No person shall participate in or sponsor an unauthorized organized event (Example bands, videos, movies etc ).
RIDING IN PICKUP BEDS AND OTHER UNSAFE ACTIVITIES. No person shall ride in the bed of a pick up truck or any part of a motor vehicle not designed for passengers on or off road.
AIRCRAFT. Taking off or landing of aircraft, including ultralights, is prohibited within 1 mile of Gecko Road.
DUMPING. Dumping of sewage (black) and/or gray water is prohibited.
CAMPING LIMITATIONS. A 14 day camping limit is in effect in the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
PARKING RESTRICTIONS. No parking or camping within 10 feet of pavement on Gecko Road.
SHOOTING. Shooting is prohibited within 1/2 mile of formal campgrounds and should be conducted well away from other concentrations of people and property.
LEASH LAW. Animals must be kept on a leash not longer than six feet and secured to a fixed object or under the control of a person, or otherwise physically restricted at all times. (43 CFR 87365.2-1{c})
BLM supplementary rules reestablished under authority of 43 CFR 8365.1-6. Violations of the rules are punishable by a fine not to exceed $1,000 and/or imprisonment not to exceed 12 months (43 CFR 8360.0-7). Also, all OHVs must be operated in accordance with State laws and regulations relating to use, registration, operation, and inspection of OHVs(43 CFR 8341.1{d}).
Rules are designed to promote public safety in the Imperial Sand Dunes and have been in effect since 1983. PLEASE REMEMBER, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THE LAW. These rules apply to public lands within the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
RECREATION PERMIT. A permit is required for all primary vehicles; a primary vehicle is a street legal vehicle used for transportation to the recreation site. Permits must be purchased on arrival and visibly displayed in the windshield of the primary vehicle with the date side facing out.
SAFETY FLAGS ARE REQUIRED ON ALL VEHICLES IN THE IMPERIAL SAND DUNES RECREATION AREA (This includes two-wheeled motorcycles.) All vehicles shall be equipped with a whip mast and a 6x12 inch red/orange flag. Flags may be of pennant, triangle, square, or rectangular shape. Masts must be securely mounted on the vehicle and extend 8 feet from the ground to the mast tip. Safety flags must be attached within 10 inches of the tip of the whip mast with club or other flags mounted below safety flag or on another whip.
A 15 MPH SPEED RULE EXISTS ON THE SAND HIGHWAYS. No person shall operate an OHV in excess of 15 mph on public lands within 500 feet of Highway 78, Grays Well Road, Gecko Road and access roads within the Gecko and Roadrunner recreation sites.
NO SAVING SPACES. Reserving of camping spaces is prohibited; sites are allocated on a first come/first serve basis.
FIRES The burning of potentially hazardous materials e.g.(but not limited to) gas, oil, plastic and magnesium is prohibited.
NO GLASS BEVERAGE CONTAINERS ARE ALLOWED. Possession or use of any glass, cup or bottle, empty or not, used for carrying any liquid for drinking purposes is prohibited. Persons may pick up glass beverage containers discarded by others to remove for deposit in approved trash receptacles.
NO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ALLOWED WHILE RIDING ON BLM LANDS. No person shall drink an alcoholic beverage, have in their possession or on their person any open container that contains an alcoholic beverage while operating in or on a motor vehicle or OHV on public lands administered by BLM within California. NO PERSON UNDER AGE 21 SHALL BE IN POSSESSION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
USE OF AUDIO DEVICES. No person shall operate or use any audio, such as a radio, television, musical instrument, or other noise producing device or motorized equipment between the hours of 10 pm and 6 am in a manner that makes unreasonable noise that disturbs other visitors; or operate or use a public address system without written authorization from BLM.
PUBLIC NUDITY.Public nudity is prohibited in the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
UNAUTHORIZED ORGANIZED EVENT. No person shall participate in or sponsor an unauthorized organized event (Example bands, videos, movies etc ).
RIDING IN PICKUP BEDS AND OTHER UNSAFE ACTIVITIES. No person shall ride in the bed of a pick up truck or any part of a motor vehicle not designed for passengers on or off road.
AIRCRAFT. Taking off or landing of aircraft, including ultralights, is prohibited within 1 mile of Gecko Road.
DUMPING. Dumping of sewage (black) and/or gray water is prohibited.
CAMPING LIMITATIONS. A 14 day camping limit is in effect in the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
PARKING RESTRICTIONS. No parking or camping within 10 feet of pavement on Gecko Road.
SHOOTING. Shooting is prohibited within 1/2 mile of formal campgrounds and should be conducted well away from other concentrations of people and property.
LEASH LAW. Animals must be kept on a leash not longer than six feet and secured to a fixed object or under the control of a person, or otherwise physically restricted at all times. (43 CFR 87365.2-1{c})
BLM supplementary rules reestablished under authority of 43 CFR 8365.1-6. Violations of the rules are punishable by a fine not to exceed $1,000 and/or imprisonment not to exceed 12 months (43 CFR 8360.0-7). Also, all OHVs must be operated in accordance with State laws and regulations relating to use, registration, operation, and inspection of OHVs(43 CFR 8341.1{d}).
Oh, hell no..
QUOTE (JDMeister @ Dec 14 2008, 02:39 PM)
QUOTE (KingGlamis @ Dec 12 2008, 10:45 AM)
It'd sure be nice if they would put that rule on their web page, which shows last being updated 9-30-08, so it's not like the rules listed are out of date. Notice the part in bold below. How are people supposed to know if they don't list this rule and there are no signs at the dunes??????????? Do they want every single person to stop by the Ranger Station and ask "What's the new rule of the month this time?"
QUOTE
Rules & Regulations
Rules are designed to promote public safety in the Imperial Sand Dunes and have been in effect since 1983. PLEASE REMEMBER, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THE LAW. These rules apply to public lands within the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
RECREATION PERMIT. A permit is required for all primary vehicles; a primary vehicle is a street legal vehicle used for transportation to the recreation site. Permits must be purchased on arrival and visibly displayed in the windshield of the primary vehicle with the date side facing out.
SAFETY FLAGS ARE REQUIRED ON ALL VEHICLES IN THE IMPERIAL SAND DUNES RECREATION AREA (This includes two-wheeled motorcycles.) All vehicles shall be equipped with a whip mast and a 6x12 inch red/orange flag. Flags may be of pennant, triangle, square, or rectangular shape. Masts must be securely mounted on the vehicle and extend 8 feet from the ground to the mast tip. Safety flags must be attached within 10 inches of the tip of the whip mast with club or other flags mounted below safety flag or on another whip.
A 15 MPH SPEED RULE EXISTS ON THE SAND HIGHWAYS. No person shall operate an OHV in excess of 15 mph on public lands within 500 feet of Highway 78, Grays Well Road, Gecko Road and access roads within the Gecko and Roadrunner recreation sites.
NO SAVING SPACES. Reserving of camping spaces is prohibited; sites are allocated on a first come/first serve basis.
FIRES The burning of potentially hazardous materials e.g.(but not limited to) gas, oil, plastic and magnesium is prohibited.
NO GLASS BEVERAGE CONTAINERS ARE ALLOWED. Possession or use of any glass, cup or bottle, empty or not, used for carrying any liquid for drinking purposes is prohibited. Persons may pick up glass beverage containers discarded by others to remove for deposit in approved trash receptacles.
NO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ALLOWED WHILE RIDING ON BLM LANDS. No person shall drink an alcoholic beverage, have in their possession or on their person any open container that contains an alcoholic beverage while operating in or on a motor vehicle or OHV on public lands administered by BLM within California. NO PERSON UNDER AGE 21 SHALL BE IN POSSESSION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
USE OF AUDIO DEVICES. No person shall operate or use any audio, such as a radio, television, musical instrument, or other noise producing device or motorized equipment between the hours of 10 pm and 6 am in a manner that makes unreasonable noise that disturbs other visitors; or operate or use a public address system without written authorization from BLM.
PUBLIC NUDITY.Public nudity is prohibited in the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
UNAUTHORIZED ORGANIZED EVENT. No person shall participate in or sponsor an unauthorized organized event (Example bands, videos, movies etc ).
RIDING IN PICKUP BEDS AND OTHER UNSAFE ACTIVITIES. No person shall ride in the bed of a pick up truck or any part of a motor vehicle not designed for passengers on or off road.
AIRCRAFT. Taking off or landing of aircraft, including ultralights, is prohibited within 1 mile of Gecko Road.
DUMPING. Dumping of sewage (black) and/or gray water is prohibited.
CAMPING LIMITATIONS. A 14 day camping limit is in effect in the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
PARKING RESTRICTIONS. No parking or camping within 10 feet of pavement on Gecko Road.
SHOOTING. Shooting is prohibited within 1/2 mile of formal campgrounds and should be conducted well away from other concentrations of people and property.
LEASH LAW. Animals must be kept on a leash not longer than six feet and secured to a fixed object or under the control of a person, or otherwise physically restricted at all times. (43 CFR 87365.2-1{c})
BLM supplementary rules reestablished under authority of 43 CFR 8365.1-6. Violations of the rules are punishable by a fine not to exceed $1,000 and/or imprisonment not to exceed 12 months (43 CFR 8360.0-7). Also, all OHVs must be operated in accordance with State laws and regulations relating to use, registration, operation, and inspection of OHVs(43 CFR 8341.1{d}).
Rules are designed to promote public safety in the Imperial Sand Dunes and have been in effect since 1983. PLEASE REMEMBER, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THE LAW. These rules apply to public lands within the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
RECREATION PERMIT. A permit is required for all primary vehicles; a primary vehicle is a street legal vehicle used for transportation to the recreation site. Permits must be purchased on arrival and visibly displayed in the windshield of the primary vehicle with the date side facing out.
SAFETY FLAGS ARE REQUIRED ON ALL VEHICLES IN THE IMPERIAL SAND DUNES RECREATION AREA (This includes two-wheeled motorcycles.) All vehicles shall be equipped with a whip mast and a 6x12 inch red/orange flag. Flags may be of pennant, triangle, square, or rectangular shape. Masts must be securely mounted on the vehicle and extend 8 feet from the ground to the mast tip. Safety flags must be attached within 10 inches of the tip of the whip mast with club or other flags mounted below safety flag or on another whip.
A 15 MPH SPEED RULE EXISTS ON THE SAND HIGHWAYS. No person shall operate an OHV in excess of 15 mph on public lands within 500 feet of Highway 78, Grays Well Road, Gecko Road and access roads within the Gecko and Roadrunner recreation sites.
NO SAVING SPACES. Reserving of camping spaces is prohibited; sites are allocated on a first come/first serve basis.
FIRES The burning of potentially hazardous materials e.g.(but not limited to) gas, oil, plastic and magnesium is prohibited.
NO GLASS BEVERAGE CONTAINERS ARE ALLOWED. Possession or use of any glass, cup or bottle, empty or not, used for carrying any liquid for drinking purposes is prohibited. Persons may pick up glass beverage containers discarded by others to remove for deposit in approved trash receptacles.
NO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ALLOWED WHILE RIDING ON BLM LANDS. No person shall drink an alcoholic beverage, have in their possession or on their person any open container that contains an alcoholic beverage while operating in or on a motor vehicle or OHV on public lands administered by BLM within California. NO PERSON UNDER AGE 21 SHALL BE IN POSSESSION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
USE OF AUDIO DEVICES. No person shall operate or use any audio, such as a radio, television, musical instrument, or other noise producing device or motorized equipment between the hours of 10 pm and 6 am in a manner that makes unreasonable noise that disturbs other visitors; or operate or use a public address system without written authorization from BLM.
PUBLIC NUDITY.Public nudity is prohibited in the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
UNAUTHORIZED ORGANIZED EVENT. No person shall participate in or sponsor an unauthorized organized event (Example bands, videos, movies etc ).
RIDING IN PICKUP BEDS AND OTHER UNSAFE ACTIVITIES. No person shall ride in the bed of a pick up truck or any part of a motor vehicle not designed for passengers on or off road.
AIRCRAFT. Taking off or landing of aircraft, including ultralights, is prohibited within 1 mile of Gecko Road.
DUMPING. Dumping of sewage (black) and/or gray water is prohibited.
CAMPING LIMITATIONS. A 14 day camping limit is in effect in the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
PARKING RESTRICTIONS. No parking or camping within 10 feet of pavement on Gecko Road.
SHOOTING. Shooting is prohibited within 1/2 mile of formal campgrounds and should be conducted well away from other concentrations of people and property.
LEASH LAW. Animals must be kept on a leash not longer than six feet and secured to a fixed object or under the control of a person, or otherwise physically restricted at all times. (43 CFR 87365.2-1{c})
BLM supplementary rules reestablished under authority of 43 CFR 8365.1-6. Violations of the rules are punishable by a fine not to exceed $1,000 and/or imprisonment not to exceed 12 months (43 CFR 8360.0-7). Also, all OHVs must be operated in accordance with State laws and regulations relating to use, registration, operation, and inspection of OHVs(43 CFR 8341.1{d}).
Oh, hell no..
What is funny is how only some rules are inforced? I don't buy the theory that the leos are just trying to write tickets for easy money. If that was true then take a look at the list of rules and look how many could be easy tickets. PARKING RESTRICTION: 10' off the road? How many tickets could be written on Gecko on any weekend? CAMPING LIMITATION: 14 days? Easy money. SAVING SPACE: Cha Ching$
Oldschoolduners .02
how can they write a ticket for no permit, just for driving on railroad property?
it dont make sense either
it dont make sense either
QUOTE (Robbie @ Dec 18 2008, 09:17 PM)
how can they write a ticket for no permit, just for driving on railroad property?
it dont make sense either
it dont make sense either
I believe there's a MOU between the RR and BLM.....something along the lines of the GBS owners granting permission for LEOs to patrol their private property.
QUOTE (AFamilyof4 @ Dec 19 2008, 07:50 AM)
QUOTE (Robbie @ Dec 18 2008, 09:17 PM)
how can they write a ticket for no permit, just for driving on railroad property?
it dont make sense either
it dont make sense either
I believe there's a MOU between the RR and BLM.....something along the lines of the GBS owners granting permission for LEOs to patrol their private property.
but what law are you breaking?
<----So happy I did not encounter one BLM LEO at any point in time last weekend.
Gotta love the "Off" Weekends.
Gotta love the "Off" Weekends.
I went to G a few weeks ago and towed my brothers jeep in with a tow bar. I didnt know what the rule was so I stopped into the ranger station to ask. The young man i asked was new and didnt know, but he asked someone else and had me fill out the permit. Permit was filled and posted on the windshield of the jeep. Permit does state that the vehicle can not be driven on highway while at G.
The point i am trying to make is if you dont know, ask. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE. If you need a season/weekly pass for your tow vehicle, and a green/red sticker for your toys, then common sense tell you there must be some kind of permit/pass required for any towed in street legal vehicles. The ranger doesnt know that you towed the jeep in. its no diffrent than showing up to G with no pass i their eyes.
I dont know what your situation was with the ranger or who was acting like a jack hole, but im sure that getting "heated" didnt make the situation any better. Situations like this delay rangers response time to emergency situations.
I dont mean to bust your balls, but im with the ranger on this one.
The point i am trying to make is if you dont know, ask. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE. If you need a season/weekly pass for your tow vehicle, and a green/red sticker for your toys, then common sense tell you there must be some kind of permit/pass required for any towed in street legal vehicles. The ranger doesnt know that you towed the jeep in. its no diffrent than showing up to G with no pass i their eyes.
I dont know what your situation was with the ranger or who was acting like a jack hole, but im sure that getting "heated" didnt make the situation any better. Situations like this delay rangers response time to emergency situations.
I dont mean to bust your balls, but im with the ranger on this one.
QUOTE (optix @ Dec 29 2008, 11:14 PM)
I went to G a few weeks ago and towed my brothers jeep in with a tow bar. I didnt know what the rule was so I stopped into the ranger station to ask. The young man i asked was new and didnt know (which seems to be the point IMHO), but he asked someone else and had me fill out the permit. Permit was filled and posted on the windshield of the jeep. Permit does state that the vehicle can not be driven on highway while at G.
The point i am trying to make is if you dont know, ask. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE. If you need a season/weekly pass for your tow vehicle, and a green/red sticker for your toys, then common sense tell you there must be some kind of permit/pass required for any towed in street legal vehicles. Not really... since the tow vehicle pass is treated more like a camping permit, and the green/red sticker is in lieu of license plates... The tow-in is already registered and plated, and isn't being slept in, so why would it need another pass? I know the technicalities of the law differ but if you think about how they're enforced I think you'll agree. The ranger doesnt know that you towed the jeep in. its no diffrent than showing up to G with no pass i their eyes. Granted, but isn't that more a function of how the vehicle-pass rule is enforced than anything else? I camp at Dumont as well, in my experience there the rangers check for your pass as you leave... no pass, then you gotta buy one. Simple, easy, effective. Oh, and no ticket...
I dont know what your situation was with the ranger or who was acting like a jack hole, but im sure that getting "heated" didnt make the situation any better. Situations like this delay rangers response time to emergency situations. (Or not, since the ranger's first call for backup went unanswered... which means one of two things: Either the call wasn't coded with enough urgency to warrant a response, or his colleagues KNOW he an arsehole and figure they need to stay clear of any arsewhuppins this guy is going to get. Just sayin'...)
I dont mean to bust your balls, but im with the ranger on this one. I'm not... reasons follow below.
The point i am trying to make is if you dont know, ask. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE. If you need a season/weekly pass for your tow vehicle, and a green/red sticker for your toys, then common sense tell you there must be some kind of permit/pass required for any towed in street legal vehicles. Not really... since the tow vehicle pass is treated more like a camping permit, and the green/red sticker is in lieu of license plates... The tow-in is already registered and plated, and isn't being slept in, so why would it need another pass? I know the technicalities of the law differ but if you think about how they're enforced I think you'll agree. The ranger doesnt know that you towed the jeep in. its no diffrent than showing up to G with no pass i their eyes. Granted, but isn't that more a function of how the vehicle-pass rule is enforced than anything else? I camp at Dumont as well, in my experience there the rangers check for your pass as you leave... no pass, then you gotta buy one. Simple, easy, effective. Oh, and no ticket...
I dont know what your situation was with the ranger or who was acting like a jack hole, but im sure that getting "heated" didnt make the situation any better. Situations like this delay rangers response time to emergency situations. (Or not, since the ranger's first call for backup went unanswered... which means one of two things: Either the call wasn't coded with enough urgency to warrant a response, or his colleagues KNOW he an arsehole and figure they need to stay clear of any arsewhuppins this guy is going to get. Just sayin'...)
I dont mean to bust your balls, but im with the ranger on this one. I'm not... reasons follow below.
I wasn't there, and I don't have a tow-in street-legal vehicle so this doesn't really affect me, but here's my $.02: Attitude is everything. If the ranger came into their camp with his balls on fire, then it's understandable (and expected) that he would get some of that attitude back. If it's likely that few folks know of the requirement, which apparently is the case as shown by your experience, then it seems the prudent course of action would be to inform, then cite if the violation continues (say, the next day for instance). The spirit of the law, vs. the letter of the law.
However, as evidenced by numerous examples posted on here this season, it seems the rangers have decided that we are the problem, all of us... and are determined to treat us as such. By so doing they're creating more tension... which in turn feeds more resentment, attitude, and "heat." Not to say there aren't a lot of knuckleheads out there that deserve the full undivided attention of law enforcement. But it's wrong to assume that everyone is a knucklehead. Couple that with the arrogant "gotcha" attitude that I've seen from LEOs in Glamis this season, and the stage is set for some pretty ugly incidents.
I should also point out that while Ranger Rick was actively tossing their camp seeking out felonious equipment, registration, and littering violations (twice, apparently... once with backup), in all likelihood there were half a dozen arsehats doing Mach 3 on Sand Highway, twice that number of drunks shooting up Olds, and probably at least one duner wadded up in a bowl somewhere waiting for help.
Edited 'cuz of the EFFIN! swearfilter... assholes
Further edit: Why is "a $ $holes" changed to "gluteous maximusholes" but "assholes" stays that way?
QUOTE (Noozeyeguy @ Dec 30 2008, 02:44 AM)
QUOTE (optix @ Dec 29 2008, 11:14 PM)
I went to G a few weeks ago and towed my brothers jeep in with a tow bar. I didnt know what the rule was so I stopped into the ranger station to ask. The young man i asked was new and didnt know (which seems to be the point IMHO), but he asked someone else and had me fill out the permit. Permit was filled and posted on the windshield of the jeep. Permit does state that the vehicle can not be driven on highway while at G.
The point i am trying to make is if you dont know, ask. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE. If you need a season/weekly pass for your tow vehicle, and a green/red sticker for your toys, then common sense tell you there must be some kind of permit/pass required for any towed in street legal vehicles. Not really... since the tow vehicle pass is treated more like a camping permit, and the green/red sticker is in lieu of license plates... The tow-in is already registered and plated, and isn't being slept in, so why would it need another pass? I know the technicalities of the law differ but if you think about how they're enforced I think you'll agree. The ranger doesnt know that you towed the jeep in. its no diffrent than showing up to G with no pass i their eyes. Granted, but isn't that more a function of how the vehicle-pass rule is enforced than anything else? I camp at Dumont as well, in my experience there the rangers check for your pass as you leave... no pass, then you gotta buy one. Simple, easy, effective. Oh, and no ticket...
I dont know what your situation was with the ranger or who was acting like a jack hole, but im sure that getting "heated" didnt make the situation any better. Situations like this delay rangers response time to emergency situations. (Or not, since the ranger's first call for backup went unanswered... which means one of two things: Either the call wasn't coded with enough urgency to warrant a response, or his colleagues KNOW he an arsehole and figure they need to stay clear of any arsewhuppins this guy is going to get. Just sayin'...)
I dont mean to bust your balls, but im with the ranger on this one. I'm not... reasons follow below.
The point i am trying to make is if you dont know, ask. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE. If you need a season/weekly pass for your tow vehicle, and a green/red sticker for your toys, then common sense tell you there must be some kind of permit/pass required for any towed in street legal vehicles. Not really... since the tow vehicle pass is treated more like a camping permit, and the green/red sticker is in lieu of license plates... The tow-in is already registered and plated, and isn't being slept in, so why would it need another pass? I know the technicalities of the law differ but if you think about how they're enforced I think you'll agree. The ranger doesnt know that you towed the jeep in. its no diffrent than showing up to G with no pass i their eyes. Granted, but isn't that more a function of how the vehicle-pass rule is enforced than anything else? I camp at Dumont as well, in my experience there the rangers check for your pass as you leave... no pass, then you gotta buy one. Simple, easy, effective. Oh, and no ticket...
I dont know what your situation was with the ranger or who was acting like a jack hole, but im sure that getting "heated" didnt make the situation any better. Situations like this delay rangers response time to emergency situations. (Or not, since the ranger's first call for backup went unanswered... which means one of two things: Either the call wasn't coded with enough urgency to warrant a response, or his colleagues KNOW he an arsehole and figure they need to stay clear of any arsewhuppins this guy is going to get. Just sayin'...)
I dont mean to bust your balls, but im with the ranger on this one. I'm not... reasons follow below.
I wasn't there, and I don't have a tow-in street-legal vehicle so this doesn't really affect me, but here's my $.02: Attitude is everything. If the ranger came into their camp with his balls on fire, then it's understandable (and expected) that he would get some of that attitude back. If it's likely that few folks know of the requirement, which apparently is the case as shown by your experience, then it seems the prudent course of action would be to inform, then cite if the violation continues (say, the next day for instance). The spirit of the law, vs. the letter of the law.
However, as evidenced by numerous examples posted on here this season, it seems the rangers have decided that we are the problem, all of us... and are determined to treat us as such. By so doing they're creating more tension... which in turn feeds more resentment, attitude, and "heat." Not to say there aren't a lot of knuckleheads out there that deserve the full undivided attention of law enforcement. But it's wrong to assume that everyone is a knucklehead. Couple that with the arrogant "gotcha" attitude that I've seen from LEOs in Glamis this season, and the stage is set for some pretty ugly incidents.
I should also point out that while Ranger Rick was actively tossing their camp seeking out felonious equipment, registration, and littering violations (twice, apparently... once with backup), in all likelihood there were half a dozen arsehats doing Mach 3 on Sand Highway, twice that number of drunks shooting up Olds, and probably at least one duner wadded up in a bowl somewhere waiting for help.
Edited 'cuz of the EFFIN! swearfilter... assholes
Further edit: Why is "a $ $holes" changed to "gluteous maximusholes" but "assholes" stays that way?
WELL SAID!!!
QUOTE (optix @ Dec 29 2008, 11:14 PM) I went to G a few weeks ago and towed my brothers jeep in with a tow bar. I didnt know what the rule was so I stopped into the ranger station to ask. The young man i asked was new and didnt know (which seems to be the point IMHO), but he asked someone else and had me fill out the permit. Permit was filled and posted on the windshield of the jeep. Permit does state that the vehicle can not be driven on highway while at G.
The point i am trying to make is if you dont know, ask. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE. If you need a season/weekly pass for your tow vehicle, and a green/red sticker for your toys, then common sense tell you there must be some kind of permit/pass required for any towed in street legal vehicles. Not really... since the tow vehicle pass is treated more like a camping permit, and the green/red sticker is in lieu of license plates... The tow-in is already registered and plated, and isn't being slept in, so why would it need another pass? I know the technicalities of the law differ but if you think about how they're enforced I think you'll agree. The ranger doesnt know that you towed the jeep in. its no diffrent than showing up to G with no pass i their eyes. Granted, but isn't that more a function of how the vehicle-pass rule is enforced than anything else? I camp at Dumont as well, in my experience there the rangers check for your pass as you leave... no pass, then you gotta buy one. Simple, easy, effective. Oh, and no ticket... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)
I dont know what your situation was with the ranger or who was acting like a jack hole, but im sure that getting "heated" didnt make the situation any better. Situations like this delay rangers response time to emergency situations. (Or not, since the ranger's first call for backup went unanswered... which means one of two things: Either the call wasn't coded with enough urgency to warrant a response, or his colleagues KNOW he an arsehole and figure they need to stay clear of any arsewhuppins this guy is going to get. Just sayin'...)
I dont mean to bust your balls, but im with the ranger on this one. I'm not... reasons follow below.
I wasn't there, and I don't have a tow-in street-legal vehicle so this doesn't really affect me, but here's my $.02: Attitude is everything. If the ranger came into their camp with his balls on fire, then it's understandable (and expected) that he would get some of that attitude back. If it's likely that few folks know of the requirement, which apparently is the case as shown by your experience, then it seems the prudent course of action would be to inform, then cite if the violation continues (say, the next day for instance). The spirit of the law, vs. the letter of the law.
However, as evidenced by numerous examples posted on here this season, it seems the rangers have decided that we are the problem, all of us... and are determined to treat us as such. By so doing they're creating more tension... which in turn feeds more resentment, attitude, and "heat." Not to say there aren't a lot of knuckleheads out there that deserve the full undivided attention of law enforcement. But it's wrong to assume that everyone is a knucklehead. Couple that with the arrogant "gotcha" attitude that I've seen from LEOs in Glamis this season, and the stage is set for some pretty ugly incidents.
I should also point out that while Ranger Rick was actively tossing their camp seeking out felonious equipment, registration, and littering violations (twice, apparently... once with backup), in all likelihood there were half a dozen arsehats doing Mach 3 on Sand Highway, twice that number of drunks shooting up Olds, and probably at least one duner wadded up in a bowl somewhere waiting for help.
Edited 'cuz of the EFFIN! swearfilter... assholes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laughing.gif)
Further edit: Why is "a $ $holes" changed to "gluteous maximusholes" but "assholes" stays that way? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)
the ranger is out there to enforce the law, not to be your buddy. act like a jackhole and you will get treated like one.treat him with respect, you will get the same in return. If ranger rick has to come to your camp site twice and site you twice for littering, then hes doing his job. Wtf. clean up your campsite. if he shows up with "back up", then there obviously was a problem that needed immediate attention. they enforce the law of the land, if you dont like it, stay home. I for one appreciate their service.
The point i am trying to make is if you dont know, ask. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE. If you need a season/weekly pass for your tow vehicle, and a green/red sticker for your toys, then common sense tell you there must be some kind of permit/pass required for any towed in street legal vehicles. Not really... since the tow vehicle pass is treated more like a camping permit, and the green/red sticker is in lieu of license plates... The tow-in is already registered and plated, and isn't being slept in, so why would it need another pass? I know the technicalities of the law differ but if you think about how they're enforced I think you'll agree. The ranger doesnt know that you towed the jeep in. its no diffrent than showing up to G with no pass i their eyes. Granted, but isn't that more a function of how the vehicle-pass rule is enforced than anything else? I camp at Dumont as well, in my experience there the rangers check for your pass as you leave... no pass, then you gotta buy one. Simple, easy, effective. Oh, and no ticket... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)
I dont know what your situation was with the ranger or who was acting like a jack hole, but im sure that getting "heated" didnt make the situation any better. Situations like this delay rangers response time to emergency situations. (Or not, since the ranger's first call for backup went unanswered... which means one of two things: Either the call wasn't coded with enough urgency to warrant a response, or his colleagues KNOW he an arsehole and figure they need to stay clear of any arsewhuppins this guy is going to get. Just sayin'...)
I dont mean to bust your balls, but im with the ranger on this one. I'm not... reasons follow below.
I wasn't there, and I don't have a tow-in street-legal vehicle so this doesn't really affect me, but here's my $.02: Attitude is everything. If the ranger came into their camp with his balls on fire, then it's understandable (and expected) that he would get some of that attitude back. If it's likely that few folks know of the requirement, which apparently is the case as shown by your experience, then it seems the prudent course of action would be to inform, then cite if the violation continues (say, the next day for instance). The spirit of the law, vs. the letter of the law.
However, as evidenced by numerous examples posted on here this season, it seems the rangers have decided that we are the problem, all of us... and are determined to treat us as such. By so doing they're creating more tension... which in turn feeds more resentment, attitude, and "heat." Not to say there aren't a lot of knuckleheads out there that deserve the full undivided attention of law enforcement. But it's wrong to assume that everyone is a knucklehead. Couple that with the arrogant "gotcha" attitude that I've seen from LEOs in Glamis this season, and the stage is set for some pretty ugly incidents.
I should also point out that while Ranger Rick was actively tossing their camp seeking out felonious equipment, registration, and littering violations (twice, apparently... once with backup), in all likelihood there were half a dozen arsehats doing Mach 3 on Sand Highway, twice that number of drunks shooting up Olds, and probably at least one duner wadded up in a bowl somewhere waiting for help.
Edited 'cuz of the EFFIN! swearfilter... assholes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laughing.gif)
Further edit: Why is "a $ $holes" changed to "gluteous maximusholes" but "assholes" stays that way? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)
the ranger is out there to enforce the law, not to be your buddy. act like a jackhole and you will get treated like one.treat him with respect, you will get the same in return. If ranger rick has to come to your camp site twice and site you twice for littering, then hes doing his job. Wtf. clean up your campsite. if he shows up with "back up", then there obviously was a problem that needed immediate attention. they enforce the law of the land, if you dont like it, stay home. I for one appreciate their service.
QUOTE (optix @ Dec 30 2008, 08:21 AM)
QUOTE (optix @ Dec 29 2008, 11:14 PM) I went to G a few weeks ago and towed my brothers jeep in with a tow bar. I didnt know what the rule was so I stopped into the ranger station to ask. The young man i asked was new and didnt know (which seems to be the point IMHO), but he asked someone else and had me fill out the permit. Permit was filled and posted on the windshield of the jeep. Permit does state that the vehicle can not be driven on highway while at G.
The point i am trying to make is if you dont know, ask. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE. If you need a season/weekly pass for your tow vehicle, and a green/red sticker for your toys, then common sense tell you there must be some kind of permit/pass required for any towed in street legal vehicles. Not really... since the tow vehicle pass is treated more like a camping permit, and the green/red sticker is in lieu of license plates... The tow-in is already registered and plated, and isn't being slept in, so why would it need another pass? I know the technicalities of the law differ but if you think about how they're enforced I think you'll agree. The ranger doesnt know that you towed the jeep in. its no diffrent than showing up to G with no pass i their eyes. Granted, but isn't that more a function of how the vehicle-pass rule is enforced than anything else? I camp at Dumont as well, in my experience there the rangers check for your pass as you leave... no pass, then you gotta buy one. Simple, easy, effective. Oh, and no ticket... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)
I dont know what your situation was with the ranger or who was acting like a jack hole, but im sure that getting "heated" didnt make the situation any better. Situations like this delay rangers response time to emergency situations. (Or not, since the ranger's first call for backup went unanswered... which means one of two things: Either the call wasn't coded with enough urgency to warrant a response, or his colleagues KNOW he an arsehole and figure they need to stay clear of any arsewhuppins this guy is going to get. Just sayin'...)
I dont mean to bust your balls, but im with the ranger on this one. I'm not... reasons follow below.
I wasn't there, and I don't have a tow-in street-legal vehicle so this doesn't really affect me, but here's my $.02: Attitude is everything. If the ranger came into their camp with his balls on fire, then it's understandable (and expected) that he would get some of that attitude back. If it's likely that few folks know of the requirement, which apparently is the case as shown by your experience, then it seems the prudent course of action would be to inform, then cite if the violation continues (say, the next day for instance). The spirit of the law, vs. the letter of the law.
However, as evidenced by numerous examples posted on here this season, it seems the rangers have decided that we are the problem, all of us... and are determined to treat us as such. By so doing they're creating more tension... which in turn feeds more resentment, attitude, and "heat." Not to say there aren't a lot of knuckleheads out there that deserve the full undivided attention of law enforcement. But it's wrong to assume that everyone is a knucklehead. Couple that with the arrogant "gotcha" attitude that I've seen from LEOs in Glamis this season, and the stage is set for some pretty ugly incidents.
I should also point out that while Ranger Rick was actively tossing their camp seeking out felonious equipment, registration, and littering violations (twice, apparently... once with backup), in all likelihood there were half a dozen arsehats doing Mach 3 on Sand Highway, twice that number of drunks shooting up Olds, and probably at least one duner wadded up in a bowl somewhere waiting for help.
Edited 'cuz of the EFFIN! swearfilter... assholes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laughing.gif)
Further edit: Why is "a $ $holes" changed to "gluteous maximusholes" but "assholes" stays that way? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)
the ranger is out there to enforce the law, not to be your buddy. act like a jackhole and you will get treated like one.treat him with respect, you will get the same in return. If ranger rick has to come to your camp site twice and site you twice for littering, then hes doing his job. Wtf. clean up your campsite. if he shows up with "back up", then there obviously was a problem that needed immediate attention. they enforce the law of the land, if you dont like it, stay home. I for one appreciate their service.
The point i am trying to make is if you dont know, ask. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE. If you need a season/weekly pass for your tow vehicle, and a green/red sticker for your toys, then common sense tell you there must be some kind of permit/pass required for any towed in street legal vehicles. Not really... since the tow vehicle pass is treated more like a camping permit, and the green/red sticker is in lieu of license plates... The tow-in is already registered and plated, and isn't being slept in, so why would it need another pass? I know the technicalities of the law differ but if you think about how they're enforced I think you'll agree. The ranger doesnt know that you towed the jeep in. its no diffrent than showing up to G with no pass i their eyes. Granted, but isn't that more a function of how the vehicle-pass rule is enforced than anything else? I camp at Dumont as well, in my experience there the rangers check for your pass as you leave... no pass, then you gotta buy one. Simple, easy, effective. Oh, and no ticket... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)
I dont know what your situation was with the ranger or who was acting like a jack hole, but im sure that getting "heated" didnt make the situation any better. Situations like this delay rangers response time to emergency situations. (Or not, since the ranger's first call for backup went unanswered... which means one of two things: Either the call wasn't coded with enough urgency to warrant a response, or his colleagues KNOW he an arsehole and figure they need to stay clear of any arsewhuppins this guy is going to get. Just sayin'...)
I dont mean to bust your balls, but im with the ranger on this one. I'm not... reasons follow below.
I wasn't there, and I don't have a tow-in street-legal vehicle so this doesn't really affect me, but here's my $.02: Attitude is everything. If the ranger came into their camp with his balls on fire, then it's understandable (and expected) that he would get some of that attitude back. If it's likely that few folks know of the requirement, which apparently is the case as shown by your experience, then it seems the prudent course of action would be to inform, then cite if the violation continues (say, the next day for instance). The spirit of the law, vs. the letter of the law.
However, as evidenced by numerous examples posted on here this season, it seems the rangers have decided that we are the problem, all of us... and are determined to treat us as such. By so doing they're creating more tension... which in turn feeds more resentment, attitude, and "heat." Not to say there aren't a lot of knuckleheads out there that deserve the full undivided attention of law enforcement. But it's wrong to assume that everyone is a knucklehead. Couple that with the arrogant "gotcha" attitude that I've seen from LEOs in Glamis this season, and the stage is set for some pretty ugly incidents.
I should also point out that while Ranger Rick was actively tossing their camp seeking out felonious equipment, registration, and littering violations (twice, apparently... once with backup), in all likelihood there were half a dozen arsehats doing Mach 3 on Sand Highway, twice that number of drunks shooting up Olds, and probably at least one duner wadded up in a bowl somewhere waiting for help.
Edited 'cuz of the EFFIN! swearfilter... assholes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laughing.gif)
Further edit: Why is "a $ $holes" changed to "gluteous maximusholes" but "assholes" stays that way? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)
the ranger is out there to enforce the law, not to be your buddy. act like a jackhole and you will get treated like one.treat him with respect, you will get the same in return. If ranger rick has to come to your camp site twice and site you twice for littering, then hes doing his job. Wtf. clean up your campsite. if he shows up with "back up", then there obviously was a problem that needed immediate attention. they enforce the law of the land, if you dont like it, stay home. I for one appreciate their service.
well , i would like to call BU!! SH!T, in caps no less , to make a statement like this, is asinine , your statement assumes that all leo's always act correctly in all situations and that all duners they come across are always wrong if the leo says so . i got news for you SOME leo's are jerks , like all people ,they come in all types and sometimes they have a bad day . your brown nose concept is wought with flawed logic. some leos are just badge heavy and sometimes some duners are jerks , to blanket every scenario is ridiculous . just because you may have never seen a leo abuse his power, does not mean it does not happen , neither you or i were there , this guy gave us his side , yea there are two sides to every story but for to assume because a leo had to call for backup there was an obvious problem with the duner , again you were not there , so based on pure logic . bu!! sh!t ! tim
QUOTE (optix @ Dec 30 2008, 07:21 AM)
the ranger is out there to enforce the law, not to be your buddy. act like a jackhole and you will get treated like one.treat him with respect, you will get the same in return. If ranger rick has to come to your camp site twice and site you twice for littering, then hes doing his job. Wtf. clean up your campsite. if he shows up with "back up", then there obviously was a problem that needed immediate attention. they enforce the law of the land, if you dont like it, stay home. I for one appreciate their service.
Maybe we're reading the situation differently. The original poster said that "[t]his ranger stomped threw our camp checking every thing and looking for anything to put a ticket on." He didn't say whether or not any further citations were issued... "he then called for some sort of back up, we all waited as he rampaged around threw our camp, none of his buddies showed up and he took off." Had the situation required immediate attention (i.e., officer in distress, medical emergency, menace to public safety) I'm willing to bet that at least one other ranger would have showed up, and the first ranger wouldn't have left. He goes on to say, "He was back later with some women ranger taking another look around." Again, no mention of further citations, so I'm going to read between the lines here and say none were issued.
Now, devil's advocate.... maybe the "Mayor" was a butthead from the get-go. Maybe Ranger Rick just came from another encounter with a group of jagoffs. Maybe Venus was in the house of Sagittarius with Mercury retrograde. Whatever. There is information missing here, and we're only getting one side of the story, but this person's experience dovetails pretty neatly with what other members have posted.
I'll agree that a ranger's job is not to be my buddy. By the same token, I expect as a law-abiding citizen of this nation to be treated as such, absent any immediate and obvious evidence to the contrary. Last time I checked, the law was still "innocent until PROVEN guilty." We as a duning community are out there to have fun with family and friends. We are NOT criminals... hell for the most part we are precisely the demographic most likely to support law enforcement, not be the target of it.
Edit: Ok now THAT'S funny... "p r i c k" gets changed to "Gayders".
Changed it.... still laughing...
QUOTE
QUOTE (optix @ Dec 30 2008, 08:21 AM) QUOTE (optix @ Dec 29 2008, 11:14 PM) I went to G a few weeks ago and towed my brothers jeep in with a tow bar. I didnt know what the rule was so I stopped into the ranger station to ask. The young man i asked was new and didnt know (which seems to be the point IMHO), but he asked someone else and had me fill out the permit. Permit was filled and posted on the windshield of the jeep. Permit does state that the vehicle can not be driven on highway while at G.
The point i am trying to make is if you dont know, ask. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE. If you need a season/weekly pass for your tow vehicle, and a green/red sticker for your toys, then common sense tell you there must be some kind of permit/pass required for any towed in street legal vehicles. Not really... since the tow vehicle pass is treated more like a camping permit, and the green/red sticker is in lieu of license plates... The tow-in is already registered and plated, and isn't being slept in, so why would it need another pass? I know the technicalities of the law differ but if you think about how they're enforced I think you'll agree. The ranger doesnt know that you towed the jeep in. its no diffrent than showing up to G with no pass i their eyes. Granted, but isn't that more a function of how the vehicle-pass rule is enforced than anything else? I camp at Dumont as well, in my experience there the rangers check for your pass as you leave... no pass, then you gotta buy one. Simple, easy, effective. Oh, and no ticket... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)
I dont know what your situation was with the ranger or who was acting like a jack hole, but im sure that getting "heated" didnt make the situation any better. Situations like this delay rangers response time to emergency situations. (Or not, since the ranger's first call for backup went unanswered... which means one of two things: Either the call wasn't coded with enough urgency to warrant a response, or his colleagues KNOW he an arsehole and figure they need to stay clear of any arsewhuppins this guy is going to get. Just sayin'...)
I dont mean to bust your balls, but im with the ranger on this one. I'm not... reasons follow below.
I wasn't there, and I don't have a tow-in street-legal vehicle so this doesn't really affect me, but here's my $.02: Attitude is everything. If the ranger came into their camp with his balls on fire, then it's understandable (and expected) that he would get some of that attitude back. If it's likely that few folks know of the requirement, which apparently is the case as shown by your experience, then it seems the prudent course of action would be to inform, then cite if the violation continues (say, the next day for instance). The spirit of the law, vs. the letter of the law.
However, as evidenced by numerous examples posted on here this season, it seems the rangers have decided that we are the problem, all of us... and are determined to treat us as such. By so doing they're creating more tension... which in turn feeds more resentment, attitude, and "heat." Not to say there aren't a lot of knuckleheads out there that deserve the full undivided attention of law enforcement. But it's wrong to assume that everyone is a knucklehead. Couple that with the arrogant "gotcha" attitude that I've seen from LEOs in Glamis this season, and the stage is set for some pretty ugly incidents.
I should also point out that while Ranger Rick was actively tossing their camp seeking out felonious equipment, registration, and littering violations (twice, apparently... once with backup), in all likelihood there were half a dozen arsehats doing Mach 3 on Sand Highway, twice that number of drunks shooting up Olds, and probably at least one duner wadded up in a bowl somewhere waiting for help.
Edited 'cuz of the EFFIN! swearfilter... assholes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laughing.gif)
Further edit: Why is "a $ $holes" changed to "gluteous maximusholes" but "assholes" stays that way? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)
the ranger is out there to enforce the law, not to be your buddy. act like a jackhole and you will get treated like one.treat him with respect, you will get the same in return. If ranger rick has to come to your camp site twice and site you twice for littering, then hes doing his job. Wtf. clean up your campsite. if he shows up with "back up", then there obviously was a problem that needed immediate attention. they enforce the law of the land, if you dont like it, stay home. I for one appreciate their service.
well , i would like to call BU!! SH!T, in caps no less , to make a statement like this, is asinine , your statement assumes that all leo's always act correctly in all situations and that all duners they come across are always wrong if the leo says so . i got news for you SOME leo's are jerks , like all people ,they come in all types and sometimes they have a bad day . your brown nose concept is wought with flawed logic. some leos are just badge heavy and sometimes some duners are jerks , to blanket every scenario is ridiculous . just because you may have never seen a leo abuse his power, does not mean it does not happen , neither you or i were there , this guy gave us his side , yea there are two sides to every story but for to assume because a leo had to call for backup there was an obvious problem with the duner , again you were not there , so based on pure logic . bu!! sh!t ! tim
The point i am trying to make is if you dont know, ask. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE. If you need a season/weekly pass for your tow vehicle, and a green/red sticker for your toys, then common sense tell you there must be some kind of permit/pass required for any towed in street legal vehicles. Not really... since the tow vehicle pass is treated more like a camping permit, and the green/red sticker is in lieu of license plates... The tow-in is already registered and plated, and isn't being slept in, so why would it need another pass? I know the technicalities of the law differ but if you think about how they're enforced I think you'll agree. The ranger doesnt know that you towed the jeep in. its no diffrent than showing up to G with no pass i their eyes. Granted, but isn't that more a function of how the vehicle-pass rule is enforced than anything else? I camp at Dumont as well, in my experience there the rangers check for your pass as you leave... no pass, then you gotta buy one. Simple, easy, effective. Oh, and no ticket... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)
I dont know what your situation was with the ranger or who was acting like a jack hole, but im sure that getting "heated" didnt make the situation any better. Situations like this delay rangers response time to emergency situations. (Or not, since the ranger's first call for backup went unanswered... which means one of two things: Either the call wasn't coded with enough urgency to warrant a response, or his colleagues KNOW he an arsehole and figure they need to stay clear of any arsewhuppins this guy is going to get. Just sayin'...)
I dont mean to bust your balls, but im with the ranger on this one. I'm not... reasons follow below.
I wasn't there, and I don't have a tow-in street-legal vehicle so this doesn't really affect me, but here's my $.02: Attitude is everything. If the ranger came into their camp with his balls on fire, then it's understandable (and expected) that he would get some of that attitude back. If it's likely that few folks know of the requirement, which apparently is the case as shown by your experience, then it seems the prudent course of action would be to inform, then cite if the violation continues (say, the next day for instance). The spirit of the law, vs. the letter of the law.
However, as evidenced by numerous examples posted on here this season, it seems the rangers have decided that we are the problem, all of us... and are determined to treat us as such. By so doing they're creating more tension... which in turn feeds more resentment, attitude, and "heat." Not to say there aren't a lot of knuckleheads out there that deserve the full undivided attention of law enforcement. But it's wrong to assume that everyone is a knucklehead. Couple that with the arrogant "gotcha" attitude that I've seen from LEOs in Glamis this season, and the stage is set for some pretty ugly incidents.
I should also point out that while Ranger Rick was actively tossing their camp seeking out felonious equipment, registration, and littering violations (twice, apparently... once with backup), in all likelihood there were half a dozen arsehats doing Mach 3 on Sand Highway, twice that number of drunks shooting up Olds, and probably at least one duner wadded up in a bowl somewhere waiting for help.
Edited 'cuz of the EFFIN! swearfilter... assholes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laughing.gif)
Further edit: Why is "a $ $holes" changed to "gluteous maximusholes" but "assholes" stays that way? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)
the ranger is out there to enforce the law, not to be your buddy. act like a jackhole and you will get treated like one.treat him with respect, you will get the same in return. If ranger rick has to come to your camp site twice and site you twice for littering, then hes doing his job. Wtf. clean up your campsite. if he shows up with "back up", then there obviously was a problem that needed immediate attention. they enforce the law of the land, if you dont like it, stay home. I for one appreciate their service.
well , i would like to call BU!! SH!T, in caps no less , to make a statement like this, is asinine , your statement assumes that all leo's always act correctly in all situations and that all duners they come across are always wrong if the leo says so . i got news for you SOME leo's are jerks , like all people ,they come in all types and sometimes they have a bad day . your brown nose concept is wought with flawed logic. some leos are just badge heavy and sometimes some duners are jerks , to blanket every scenario is ridiculous . just because you may have never seen a leo abuse his power, does not mean it does not happen , neither you or i were there , this guy gave us his side , yea there are two sides to every story but for to assume because a leo had to call for backup there was an obvious problem with the duner , again you were not there , so based on pure logic . bu!! sh!t ! tim
From what i read, the leo did what is required in his job. when ever there is an accident, i always hear about how the rangers dont enforce the 15 mph near camps, or how people post pics of g trashed afterany given weekend and how littering isnt being enforfced. But as soon as they start enforcing the law of the land,people start thwowing a hissy fit about it. you cant have it both ways. the poster didnt know what was required to tow in a vehicle and didnt bother to find out. Again, the leo had to enforce the law of the land( im not assuming all leos are nice guys, but im also not assuming all are a holes either).
you are innocent until prove guilty. Fight the citation,its your right. But educate your self before going to g.
QUOTE (optix @ Dec 30 2008, 06:45 PM)
Fight the citation,its your right. But educate your self before going to g.
So, for purposes of argument (and because it's really sloooooooow at work and I'm bored
) I Googled "Glamis tow-in vehicle permits." The only relevant link was this one... from the ASA board in 2006. Some interesting reading to be sure...S much for "educating yourself."
http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/elcentro/re...ment/qanda.html
What is the status of the secondary permits for towed in vehicles to prove they are exempt from requiring a regular pass and will this continue next year?
In order to receive a secondary permit, the visitor needs to show officials it was towed in. However, if a visitor decides to drive it on the road after arrival, it is then a primary vehicle and will require a weekly or seasonal permit. BLM will be working with future fee collection contractors to address this issue.
i too googled this, hope it answers some questions.
What is the status of the secondary permits for towed in vehicles to prove they are exempt from requiring a regular pass and will this continue next year?
In order to receive a secondary permit, the visitor needs to show officials it was towed in. However, if a visitor decides to drive it on the road after arrival, it is then a primary vehicle and will require a weekly or seasonal permit. BLM will be working with future fee collection contractors to address this issue.
i too googled this, hope it answers some questions.
QUOTE (phatdad @ Dec 11 2008, 08:27 PM)
I would bet they are going to hassle the wrong person and find themselves on the bad end of an (_|_) whooping.
"I see" said the blind man.
10 pages+QUOTE (optix @ Dec 30 2008, 10:00 PM)
http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/elcentro/re...ment/qanda.html
What is the status of the secondary permits for towed in vehicles to prove they are exempt from requiring a regular pass and will this continue next year?
In order to receive a secondary permit, the visitor needs to show officials it was towed in. However, if a visitor decides to drive it on the road after arrival, it is then a primary vehicle and will require a weekly or seasonal permit. BLM will be working with future fee collection contractors to address this issue.
i too googled this, hope it answers some questions.
What is the status of the secondary permits for towed in vehicles to prove they are exempt from requiring a regular pass and will this continue next year?
In order to receive a secondary permit, the visitor needs to show officials it was towed in. However, if a visitor decides to drive it on the road after arrival, it is then a primary vehicle and will require a weekly or seasonal permit. BLM will be working with future fee collection contractors to address this issue.
i too googled this, hope it answers some questions.
Ok, now we're down to splitting hairs. If you input the search term I listed, that ^^^^^ doesn't show up. We could continue to argue this, but the bottom line is the situation should have been handled better, by all parties involved. Agreed?
dont mean to split hairs but google " isdra tow permit " . top of the page.
agreed
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We could continue to argue this, but the bottom line is the situation should have been handled better, by all parties involved. Agreed?
agreed
QUOTE (phatdad @ Dec 11 2008, 08:27 PM)
This Thanksgiving was my first trip to Glamis with my first sand car and a great group of people.
Our camp Mayor (30 plus years dunning) got a ticket on his street legal jeep that he trailered in for not having a tow in permit that you can get for free at the ranger station. There is nothing posted when you drive in about this free permit and it was the first time the Mayor herd of it. Well long story short he got heated up. The rangers out there were real (_|_) holes and I was shocked being it my first time out there that they were so disrespectful to everyone in our camp. This ranger stomped threw our camp checking every thing and looking for anything to put a ticket on. I'm not advocating retaliation but buy the time this season is over I would bet they are going to hassle the wrong person and find themselves on the bad end of an (_|_) whooping. Here is another funny thing. The Mayor 62 years old and the ranger about 26 years old took a couple steps back,put his hand on his gun and told the Mayor to step back... he then called for some sort of back up, we all waited as he rampaged around threw our camp, none of his buddies showed up and he took off. He was back later with some women ranger taking another look around. OMG is this how my first family dunning season is going to be with these jerk offs.
Our camp Mayor (30 plus years dunning) got a ticket on his street legal jeep that he trailered in for not having a tow in permit that you can get for free at the ranger station. There is nothing posted when you drive in about this free permit and it was the first time the Mayor herd of it. Well long story short he got heated up. The rangers out there were real (_|_) holes and I was shocked being it my first time out there that they were so disrespectful to everyone in our camp. This ranger stomped threw our camp checking every thing and looking for anything to put a ticket on. I'm not advocating retaliation but buy the time this season is over I would bet they are going to hassle the wrong person and find themselves on the bad end of an (_|_) whooping. Here is another funny thing. The Mayor 62 years old and the ranger about 26 years old took a couple steps back,put his hand on his gun and told the Mayor to step back... he then called for some sort of back up, we all waited as he rampaged around threw our camp, none of his buddies showed up and he took off. He was back later with some women ranger taking another look around. OMG is this how my first family dunning season is going to be with these jerk offs.
I watched my training officer pull a gun on a 15 year old girl the other night. Seems harmless right? She had a 9mm gun and a bayonet on her person. The Ranger doesn't know you, or any person in his camp. The first second he drops his guard, he's lying on the ground with a bullet wound to his chest wondering what the eff happened.
Andy
QUOTE (WaPaWeKkA @ Dec 31 2008, 12:16 PM)
QUOTE (phatdad @ Dec 11 2008, 08:27 PM)
This Thanksgiving was my first trip to Glamis with my first sand car and a great group of people.
Our camp Mayor (30 plus years dunning) got a ticket on his street legal jeep that he trailered in for not having a tow in permit that you can get for free at the ranger station. There is nothing posted when you drive in about this free permit and it was the first time the Mayor herd of it. Well long story short he got heated up. The rangers out there were real (_|_) holes and I was shocked being it my first time out there that they were so disrespectful to everyone in our camp. This ranger stomped threw our camp checking every thing and looking for anything to put a ticket on. I'm not advocating retaliation but buy the time this season is over I would bet they are going to hassle the wrong person and find themselves on the bad end of an (_|_) whooping. Here is another funny thing. The Mayor 62 years old and the ranger about 26 years old took a couple steps back,put his hand on his gun and told the Mayor to step back... he then called for some sort of back up, we all waited as he rampaged around threw our camp, none of his buddies showed up and he took off. He was back later with some women ranger taking another look around. OMG is this how my first family dunning season is going to be with these jerk offs.
Our camp Mayor (30 plus years dunning) got a ticket on his street legal jeep that he trailered in for not having a tow in permit that you can get for free at the ranger station. There is nothing posted when you drive in about this free permit and it was the first time the Mayor herd of it. Well long story short he got heated up. The rangers out there were real (_|_) holes and I was shocked being it my first time out there that they were so disrespectful to everyone in our camp. This ranger stomped threw our camp checking every thing and looking for anything to put a ticket on. I'm not advocating retaliation but buy the time this season is over I would bet they are going to hassle the wrong person and find themselves on the bad end of an (_|_) whooping. Here is another funny thing. The Mayor 62 years old and the ranger about 26 years old took a couple steps back,put his hand on his gun and told the Mayor to step back... he then called for some sort of back up, we all waited as he rampaged around threw our camp, none of his buddies showed up and he took off. He was back later with some women ranger taking another look around. OMG is this how my first family dunning season is going to be with these jerk offs.
I watched my training officer pull a gun on a 15 year old girl the other night. Seems harmless right? She had a 9mm gun and a bayonet on her person. The Ranger doesn't know you, or any person in his camp. The first second he drops his guard, he's lying on the ground with a bullet wound to his chest wondering what the eff happened.
An
i appreciate your analogy, as some of us are not in law enforcement and are not used to the scenarios you guys see everyday, but as a laymen i would venture to say the 15 year old girl was being looked at for some serious crime or was in the mix of some serious crime, lets be honest , the dreaded "tow in permit violation" is not a serious crime . it's common knowledge that attitude is half of dealing with people , i bet you see some officers that are "good at their job" and i bet one common thread is an ability to deal with people . law enforcement is ,at it's core ,dealing with people and of course, alot of times, not when people are at their best or on their best behavior . a good leo can diffuse a sitiation where tempers or frustration levels are high , if someone is the type of person who enflames tempers or situations , they are in the wrong job . to go in swaggering and posturing is not conducive to protecting and serving , it's just ego, pure and simple . like all proffessions there are people who are good at their job and poor at their job , unfortunatley law enforcement is a proffession, where even the poor performers carry a gun . tim
QUOTE (tim mesic @ Dec 31 2008, 12:32 PM)
QUOTE (WaPaWeKkA @ Dec 31 2008, 12:16 PM)
QUOTE (phatdad @ Dec 11 2008, 08:27 PM)
This Thanksgiving was my first trip to Glamis with my first sand car and a great group of people.
Our camp Mayor (30 plus years dunning) got a ticket on his street legal jeep that he trailered in for not having a tow in permit that you can get for free at the ranger station. There is nothing posted when you drive in about this free permit and it was the first time the Mayor herd of it. Well long story short he got heated up. The rangers out there were real (_|_) holes and I was shocked being it my first time out there that they were so disrespectful to everyone in our camp. This ranger stomped threw our camp checking every thing and looking for anything to put a ticket on. I'm not advocating retaliation but buy the time this season is over I would bet they are going to hassle the wrong person and find themselves on the bad end of an (_|_) whooping. Here is another funny thing. The Mayor 62 years old and the ranger about 26 years old took a couple steps back,put his hand on his gun and told the Mayor to step back... he then called for some sort of back up, we all waited as he rampaged around threw our camp, none of his buddies showed up and he took off. He was back later with some women ranger taking another look around. OMG is this how my first family dunning season is going to be with these jerk offs.
Our camp Mayor (30 plus years dunning) got a ticket on his street legal jeep that he trailered in for not having a tow in permit that you can get for free at the ranger station. There is nothing posted when you drive in about this free permit and it was the first time the Mayor herd of it. Well long story short he got heated up. The rangers out there were real (_|_) holes and I was shocked being it my first time out there that they were so disrespectful to everyone in our camp. This ranger stomped threw our camp checking every thing and looking for anything to put a ticket on. I'm not advocating retaliation but buy the time this season is over I would bet they are going to hassle the wrong person and find themselves on the bad end of an (_|_) whooping. Here is another funny thing. The Mayor 62 years old and the ranger about 26 years old took a couple steps back,put his hand on his gun and told the Mayor to step back... he then called for some sort of back up, we all waited as he rampaged around threw our camp, none of his buddies showed up and he took off. He was back later with some women ranger taking another look around. OMG is this how my first family dunning season is going to be with these jerk offs.
I watched my training officer pull a gun on a 15 year old girl the other night. Seems harmless right? She had a 9mm gun and a bayonet on her person. The Ranger doesn't know you, or any person in his camp. The first second he drops his guard, he's lying on the ground with a bullet wound to his chest wondering what the eff happened.
An
i appreciate your analogy, as some of us are not in law enforcement and are not used to the scenarios you guys see everyday, but as a laymen i would venture to say the 15 year old girl was being looked at for some serious crime or was in the mix of some serious crime, lets be honest , the dreaded "tow in permit violation" is not a serious crime . it's common knowledge that attitude is half of dealing with people , i bet you see some officers that are "good at their job" and i bet one common thread is an ability to deal with people . law enforcement is ,at it's core ,dealing with people and of course, alot of times, not when people are at their best or on their best behavior . a good leo can diffuse a sitiation where tempers or frustration levels are high , if someone is the type of person who enflames tempers or situations , they are in the wrong job . to go in swaggering and posturing is not conducive to protecting and serving , it's just ego, pure and simple . like all proffessions there are people who are good at their job and poor at their job , unfortunatley law enforcement is a proffession, where even the poor performers carry a gun . tim
I was just trying to shed some light on the situation. I've only been a cop for 4 months and maybe I don't know everything but one thing I've adopted from a few of my training officers is the subject I'm dealing with dictates my attitude towards them. If I stop you for running a red light and I get up to the car and your already cussing, calling me names, throwing your license and registration at me then your attitude has convinced me that you need this ticket and maybe some other violations that I find across the car(tinted windows, no brake lights, etc.) If I come up to your car and you admit you were in the wrong and have a decent excuse and are apologetic, then my attitude might be to let you slide on this one with a warning.
P.S. This is just my way of thinking. I don't speak for every single cop and by no means am I an experienced cop. My next training officer might even tell me this is a stupid way of thinking and I will take his point of views and consider them.
P.S.S Your right, that 15 year old girl was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people. She certainly wasn't an angel either.
Andy
This is an update to an old topic but I was doing some research for a buddy that is wanting to tow his jeep to the dunes. Here is what I found on the BLM web site:
http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/elcentro/re...dinvehicle.html
Street Legal Vehicles Towed into the Imperial Sand Dunes
When a street legal vehicle is towed into the ISDRA, the owner can ask either BLM or the fee permit staff for a "Towed in" permit at no cost. Here are the conditions:
1. Must be issued upon entry to prove the vehicle is indeed towed in.
2. Available free of charge from either the Cahuilla or Buttercup Ranger Stations, as well as from the fee permit staff.
3. Allows the vehicle to be driven off-highway in the ISDRA.
4. Allows the vehicle to be driven across the Herman Schneider Memorial Bridge/Dune Buggy Flats fee checkpoint.
5. Does not allow the vehicle to be driven on any of the other access roads, or through any other fee check points, without a weekly or seasonal permit.
6. Does not allow the vehicle to exit and then re-enter the recreation area without a weekly or seasonal permit.
Best overall advice when obtaining a "Towed in" permit: Keep it in the sand!
http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/elcentro/re...dinvehicle.html
Street Legal Vehicles Towed into the Imperial Sand Dunes
When a street legal vehicle is towed into the ISDRA, the owner can ask either BLM or the fee permit staff for a "Towed in" permit at no cost. Here are the conditions:
1. Must be issued upon entry to prove the vehicle is indeed towed in.
2. Available free of charge from either the Cahuilla or Buttercup Ranger Stations, as well as from the fee permit staff.
3. Allows the vehicle to be driven off-highway in the ISDRA.
4. Allows the vehicle to be driven across the Herman Schneider Memorial Bridge/Dune Buggy Flats fee checkpoint.
5. Does not allow the vehicle to be driven on any of the other access roads, or through any other fee check points, without a weekly or seasonal permit.
6. Does not allow the vehicle to exit and then re-enter the recreation area without a weekly or seasonal permit.
Best overall advice when obtaining a "Towed in" permit: Keep it in the sand!
QUOTE (brianirick @ Oct 20 2010, 08:54 AM)
Best overall advice when obtaining a "Towed in" permit: Keep it in the sand!
EXACTLY!!! Because that's what it's for.
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