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As my membership is almost due to be renewed it's a serous question, what are the pro's and con's of the new CORVA leadership change, is it Good for us or not???...TJ
I'm interested too
While I'm a former officer and still a life member, I'm not - at this time - supporting CORVA leadership on many issues.
There is a couple of good folks in the leadership of CORVA right now, but on the whole, I'm disappointed in what I've seen thus far.
There is a couple of good folks in the leadership of CORVA right now, but on the whole, I'm disappointed in what I've seen thus far.
QUOTE (APHANTOMDUCK @ Jan 15 2009, 03:36 PM) 
While I'm a former officer and still a life member, I'm not - at this time - supporting CORVA leadership on many issues.
There is a couple of good folks in the leadership of CORVA right now, but on the whole, I'm disappointed in what I've seen thus far.
There is a couple of good folks in the leadership of CORVA right now, but on the whole, I'm disappointed in what I've seen thus far.
So who in your eyes IS doing a good job??
(what groups is what im inqiring about)
Thanks.
QUOTE (rivermobster @ Jan 15 2009, 03:54 PM)
QUOTE (APHANTOMDUCK @ Jan 15 2009, 03:36 PM)
While I'm a former officer and still a life member, I'm not - at this time - supporting CORVA leadership on many issues.
There is a couple of good folks in the leadership of CORVA right now, but on the whole, I'm disappointed in what I've seen thus far.
There is a couple of good folks in the leadership of CORVA right now, but on the whole, I'm disappointed in what I've seen thus far.
So who in your eyes IS doing a good job??
(what groups is what im inqiring about)
Thanks.
California Trail Users Coalition
Partnership for Johnson Valley
Utah Shared Trail Alliance
to some degree BRC
This comes to mind at this moment, but their might be others I just don't recall at this time.
QUOTE (APHANTOMDUCK @ Jan 15 2009, 05:48 PM)
QUOTE (rivermobster @ Jan 15 2009, 03:54 PM)
QUOTE (APHANTOMDUCK @ Jan 15 2009, 03:36 PM)
While I'm a former officer and still a life member, I'm not - at this time - supporting CORVA leadership on many issues.
There is a couple of good folks in the leadership of CORVA right now, but on the whole, I'm disappointed in what I've seen thus far.
There is a couple of good folks in the leadership of CORVA right now, but on the whole, I'm disappointed in what I've seen thus far.
So who in your eyes IS doing a good job??
(what groups is what im inqiring about)
Thanks.
California Trail Users Coalition
Partnership for Johnson Valley
Utah Shared Trail Alliance
to some degree BRC
This comes to mind at this moment, but their might be others I just don't recall at this time.
I like Blue Ribbon and ARRA. Both are very good groups to support.
http://www.arra-access.com/arra/home.html
http://www.sharetrails.org/
Along with the ASA of course.
I had a CORVA guy trying to get my attention at the SSSS, I pretty much told him off because of how frustrated I became with people around me. I didn't mean to be a dick... so sorry if you are reading this.
I signed up with CORVA at the SSSS. I had a membership in the past, but its been before the new CORVA. From what I heard they are doing a good job, so I joined up again.
QUOTE (Mad Mattress @ Sep 22 2009, 12:12 PM)
I signed up with CORVA at the SSSS. I had a membership in the past, but its been before the new CORVA. From what I heard they are doing a good job, so I joined up again.
I renewed back in June, just got my membership card in the mail today, good news is they have been sending me the newsletters since then...TJ
Well take a good hard look here in the south and ask yourself have I seen Corva do anything lately? Not much! they used put on and help at clean-ups, be at meetings representing our sport, go to Club meetings and evvents, but lately where are they? oh sure thay are are at Expo's (asking for money but wher does it go?) but why are they not on any of the commissions. have you seen any of the new Board at or representing Johnson Valley? at any meeting concerning Octitillo Wells, or Truckhaven in the past year? Probaly not, but you may have noticed some of the old guard that is still fighting for our rights, while the new Corva sits back.
Oh they talk the talk in there newsletter, but the real worker bees are up in the North (Bruce W. and Amy G. - now of Cal4) trying to cover the entire state while again our representation for the south sits back.
Ask what is going on in Truckhaven and why the events for 2010 will not be there (this includes TDS), why they are not pushing the state to complete there testing for the area. Ask about the wilderness bill, ask why the webpage is not up to date, Just ask.
Johnson Valley the people in the know are Harry and Helen Baker of Cal4, Ed Waldhiem of CTUC, Wayne Nosala, Friends of Johnson Valley, Friends of Stoddard, Bob Ham (in the Imperial Valley) Steve Khuel, these people attend the meetings both local and throughout the state.
If you want to join a organization (and everyone should) take a hard look, ask what they have done and attended, and ask for the dates they were there, and see if they are representing areas that you enjoy before you join. Ask and get answers not lip service, this is true of any organization, verify what they say.
a sad life member
Oh they talk the talk in there newsletter, but the real worker bees are up in the North (Bruce W. and Amy G. - now of Cal4) trying to cover the entire state while again our representation for the south sits back.
Ask what is going on in Truckhaven and why the events for 2010 will not be there (this includes TDS), why they are not pushing the state to complete there testing for the area. Ask about the wilderness bill, ask why the webpage is not up to date, Just ask.
Johnson Valley the people in the know are Harry and Helen Baker of Cal4, Ed Waldhiem of CTUC, Wayne Nosala, Friends of Johnson Valley, Friends of Stoddard, Bob Ham (in the Imperial Valley) Steve Khuel, these people attend the meetings both local and throughout the state.
If you want to join a organization (and everyone should) take a hard look, ask what they have done and attended, and ask for the dates they were there, and see if they are representing areas that you enjoy before you join. Ask and get answers not lip service, this is true of any organization, verify what they say.
a sad life member
QUOTE
PRESIDENT’S MESSAGE
By Jim Woods
Let’s All Agree to Show Our Support
It has been an interesting month waiting in anticipation for the new Desert Conservation and Recreation Act to be introduced
by Senator Feinstein. The actual language isn’t finished and the comments sent by CORVA, ORBA and AMA
District 37 are still being reviewed. Soon we will have a meeting with the environmentalists to discuss our differences and
come up with a compromise.
More to my surprise was the new energy bill proposed with the installation of solar power and wind generators in the
desert. This seems like a no-brainer upon first examination. Where the problem starts is that some environmentalists don’t
want them in our California Deserts. The proposed area is out by Desert Center -a non populated area close to the Blythe,
Arizona border. If you have ever been out there, you know how open and unpopulated it really is. However, even though
this seems like a optimum placement for these sources, the untouched area will be effected by the creation of this new installation.
Everyone proclaims to want clean energy, just as long as it’s not in their back yard. I am not sure this is the correct
answer to our energy problems but it amazes me that the even the environmentalists can’t agree on where to put the
alternative power sites. We OHV users have given up so many areas over the years, I have a hard time understanding why
they can’t compromise. We’ve sure had too! And not without a lot of pain and anger to go along! We will just have to wait
and see where the compromise comes. Hopefully not from yet another OHV area.
One way to keep our voices heard is to participate in the State OHV
Commission meetings. I recently received a phone call from Paul
Slavik, one of the State Parks OHV Commissioners. He and OHV
State Parks Chief Daphne Green are asking for input from the OHV
public and they want YOU involved in the OHV meetings. During
these meetings, the commissioners discuss important events for the
various areas. For example, one recent meeting was held in Big
Bear where all types of OHV use is available. Discussions included
trails, maintenance, user groups, open access, bicycle trail use,
wildlife issues and much more. I learn something new at every
meeting I attend. Plus, I meet new people and I’m always impressed
by their perspective. We can learn from each other, appreciate each
other and understand a lot more. You can find the dates for the
OHV Commission meetings at: www.ohv.parks.ca.gov and on our
CORVA website. Please participate whenever you can regardless of
the areas you ride. If we don’t participate, then we cannot complain
when important decisions are decided by others. There is no one
organization that represents all aspects off road or that should be
allowed to speak for all of us. All OHV users and OHV riding areas
have their own issues. It’s up to each of us to speak for ourselves
and be involved in preserving our areas.
Check our event calendar for our events and shows. Continue your support for the hard working volunteers and the supporting
vendors of OHV. I hope to meet you at a future OHV Commission meeting. (If I’m not there, tell Paul Slavik I
said hello. We’re old dirt riding buddies from the 1970’s) And if you get a chance, try engaging yourself in some new off
road use. In November, my Vice President Jim Colln is taking me to Glamis. I’ve never played in the sand myself but I
know how important it is to support ALL of our OHV recreation areas. I hope to see you there too!
By Jim Woods
Let’s All Agree to Show Our Support
It has been an interesting month waiting in anticipation for the new Desert Conservation and Recreation Act to be introduced
by Senator Feinstein. The actual language isn’t finished and the comments sent by CORVA, ORBA and AMA
District 37 are still being reviewed. Soon we will have a meeting with the environmentalists to discuss our differences and
come up with a compromise.
More to my surprise was the new energy bill proposed with the installation of solar power and wind generators in the
desert. This seems like a no-brainer upon first examination. Where the problem starts is that some environmentalists don’t
want them in our California Deserts. The proposed area is out by Desert Center -a non populated area close to the Blythe,
Arizona border. If you have ever been out there, you know how open and unpopulated it really is. However, even though
this seems like a optimum placement for these sources, the untouched area will be effected by the creation of this new installation.
Everyone proclaims to want clean energy, just as long as it’s not in their back yard. I am not sure this is the correct
answer to our energy problems but it amazes me that the even the environmentalists can’t agree on where to put the
alternative power sites. We OHV users have given up so many areas over the years, I have a hard time understanding why
they can’t compromise. We’ve sure had too! And not without a lot of pain and anger to go along! We will just have to wait
and see where the compromise comes. Hopefully not from yet another OHV area.
One way to keep our voices heard is to participate in the State OHV
Commission meetings. I recently received a phone call from Paul
Slavik, one of the State Parks OHV Commissioners. He and OHV
State Parks Chief Daphne Green are asking for input from the OHV
public and they want YOU involved in the OHV meetings. During
these meetings, the commissioners discuss important events for the
various areas. For example, one recent meeting was held in Big
Bear where all types of OHV use is available. Discussions included
trails, maintenance, user groups, open access, bicycle trail use,
wildlife issues and much more. I learn something new at every
meeting I attend. Plus, I meet new people and I’m always impressed
by their perspective. We can learn from each other, appreciate each
other and understand a lot more. You can find the dates for the
OHV Commission meetings at: www.ohv.parks.ca.gov and on our
CORVA website. Please participate whenever you can regardless of
the areas you ride. If we don’t participate, then we cannot complain
when important decisions are decided by others. There is no one
organization that represents all aspects off road or that should be
allowed to speak for all of us. All OHV users and OHV riding areas
have their own issues. It’s up to each of us to speak for ourselves
and be involved in preserving our areas.
Check our event calendar for our events and shows. Continue your support for the hard working volunteers and the supporting
vendors of OHV. I hope to meet you at a future OHV Commission meeting. (If I’m not there, tell Paul Slavik I
said hello. We’re old dirt riding buddies from the 1970’s) And if you get a chance, try engaging yourself in some new off
road use. In November, my Vice President Jim Colln is taking me to Glamis. I’ve never played in the sand myself but I
know how important it is to support ALL of our OHV recreation areas. I hope to see you there too!
This was in the last news letter mailed out, as far as the OHMVR I don't know why but I still support them, but I don't believe that means being happy with the norm no matter what, and just blowing sunshine up their tail pipes...TJ
well, speaking of the last news letter did you notice that the July and August ORIA were the same issues! this is the slip shod stuff that is going on, the web page is a antigue, sporatically updated, there announcements of issues and there own events to clubs and forums is lacking.
This is a organization that was know for being at the forfront of issues and information, now it seems to be a wait and see attitude.
I just think that everyone that is thinking of joining or renewing at the Offroad Expo this weekend really take a hard look at what and who are doing what to keep OHV alive, Then decide.
It takes more than just going out to Glamis for a weekend to keep the lands open.
This is a organization that was know for being at the forfront of issues and information, now it seems to be a wait and see attitude.
I just think that everyone that is thinking of joining or renewing at the Offroad Expo this weekend really take a hard look at what and who are doing what to keep OHV alive, Then decide.
It takes more than just going out to Glamis for a weekend to keep the lands open.
Well I renewed this year why well really what Else is there, but on the other hand I'm not going to keep renewing just to keep it alive I've been hearing a lot of negative input lately, they ask for our support yes I'm also wondering just what are they doing for us to support?...TJ
I understand, I am sad that the new Corva has for the most part decided to go to a more of a club vs what they were orginally started as by a bunch of desert racers that understood that the land needs to be protected. And from what I can tell it is the Northern People on the Corva Board that are doing 85+ % of the work which is sad. This really came to my attention this weekend while cleaning my Garage and found some old magazaines and the Corva ORIA's from a couple of years ago and it was full of "what we are working on" and land Issues quite a change in under 2 years it is just sad, but I am glad the other Ordgs are doing there part and the old marching order from Corva is still working to keep our lands open (just by themselves).
Yeah it's down to this we're on our own, do your best not to allow those "claiming" to speak on our behalf to compromise our voices, and don't expect much...TJ
http://corva.org/Latest_Issues/2010/corvao...02_2010oria.pdf
Would someone please explain this to me because I could be wrong, but it appears our "new CORVA" leadership is admitting their useless, and are rigging the By Laws so they can't be removed but hey what do I know...TJ
Would someone please explain this to me because I could be wrong, but it appears our "new CORVA" leadership is admitting their useless, and are rigging the By Laws so they can't be removed but hey what do I know...TJ
Well that and 2 years ago there campain promise was to work on the by-laws (wording changes)in reality it has been only in the last few months that any work on the by-laws has been done and suprisingly not all for the good.
It will also be interesting to see how the new Corva comes out on Feinsiens bill S2921 which is no good for OHV it is just a flowery bad attempt to make it look like she is giving us something when in reality we are gaining nothing and could lose. Remeber S7, S11, and S21 this is all over again.
It will also be interesting to see how the new Corva comes out on Feinsiens bill S2921 which is no good for OHV it is just a flowery bad attempt to make it look like she is giving us something when in reality we are gaining nothing and could lose. Remeber S7, S11, and S21 this is all over again.
ORBA, Eco Logic, D-37, ASA and SDORC according to Fred Wiley support S2921, Cal 4X4 went with their menders vote and went against it as written at the last Commission meeting on Feb 25, 2010. The OHMVR Commission took no action and ask Division to ask Feinsiens office to further explain their bill, GOOD FOR THEM YES and nobody found anything in this that's going to counter the Marines expansion plans so we could wind up with both...TJ
Hi guys, as a CORVA director, I thought I would chine in on this thread. Yes, Bruce and Amy do a lot for us off-roaders. Other directors also do good things for us, things less publicized, but still helpful to our cause. I am CORVA's southern grants director, which means I read all the state park's grant requests for the southern part of the state and write comment letters on them. For the benefit of those who are not sure of what I am talking about, green sticker and gas tax money go to State Parks OHV division. Part of the money goes to the division staff and the 8 state parks. The rest goes to grants like law enforcement, operation and maintenance, education and restoration. Most of it goes to government agencies like the BLM and National Forests. By commenting, we can help good grants get funded and not so good grants get less funded. Last year I read and commented on about 75 grants. Most were fine and I recommended them. A few were not so good and I said so. It took me about 25 hours to do this and I am about to do it again, as the grants are coming out on March 3rd. I also do comments on land use issues on behalf of CORVA, like comments on Heber Dunes Environmental Impact Report I did last week. I have done quite a few comments like this, only sharing what I have done with CORVA's leadership. I don't really expect anything for it, just want to help keep it open.
Some of you say you don't like the new Feinstein bill, S2921. I have looked it over and believe this to be one of the best OHV bills I have ever seen. I will tell you why. It affects us the three ways. First, it has a wilderness section. In this area there has been widespread cherry stemming. That means that the places we couldn't go before will be closed(the cherry). The roads that are there are left open (the stems). The roads will be made open by this statute. The monuments will have OHV use retained and it will be locked in by this statute. The 5 open areas (Razor, Stoddert Wells, Spangler Hills El Mirage, what's left of Johnson Valley) will become open areas by statute also. This gives OHV in the open areas and monuments protection equal to the species on the endangered species list. This is BIG! The only other legislation I have seen this good was SB742 a couple years ago. This is nothing like S7 and S21 that locked us out of the places we go. I lost my camp spot in Painted Gorge because of S21 in the 1990's, this new bill is nothing like that.
I know keeping an org like CORVA vibrant is very difficult and getting good people to do stuff is hard. If you are really dissatisfied with CORVA, I would recommend you get involved and help carry some of the load. I work full time, race motocross once a month and go riding other times. I just make it a point and a priority to help out how I can. We just had our southern legislative guy quit on us. Anyone interested? I would personally bring anyone up to speed on what you would be doing in the job. There are both state and federal issues that need us to work on. With an org like CORVA, you can do as much or little as you like. Want to just focus on the lead ban for CORVA? We will take your help. Love Truckhaven and want to work on that? Let us know.
If you think that giving CORVA $35 is bad for OHV, I think you are mistaken. There are a lot of orgs that do what we do and they are all under funded and under staffed, that is just the nature of our business. We would love to hire a lawyer, a lobbyist and a public relations firm, its just not in our budget now. Give us volunteers polite, constructive criticism or jump in to help. Throwing rocks at us does none of us any good.
Ed Stovin
CORVA Southern Grants
VP San Diego Off-Road Coalition
Some of you say you don't like the new Feinstein bill, S2921. I have looked it over and believe this to be one of the best OHV bills I have ever seen. I will tell you why. It affects us the three ways. First, it has a wilderness section. In this area there has been widespread cherry stemming. That means that the places we couldn't go before will be closed(the cherry). The roads that are there are left open (the stems). The roads will be made open by this statute. The monuments will have OHV use retained and it will be locked in by this statute. The 5 open areas (Razor, Stoddert Wells, Spangler Hills El Mirage, what's left of Johnson Valley) will become open areas by statute also. This gives OHV in the open areas and monuments protection equal to the species on the endangered species list. This is BIG! The only other legislation I have seen this good was SB742 a couple years ago. This is nothing like S7 and S21 that locked us out of the places we go. I lost my camp spot in Painted Gorge because of S21 in the 1990's, this new bill is nothing like that.
I know keeping an org like CORVA vibrant is very difficult and getting good people to do stuff is hard. If you are really dissatisfied with CORVA, I would recommend you get involved and help carry some of the load. I work full time, race motocross once a month and go riding other times. I just make it a point and a priority to help out how I can. We just had our southern legislative guy quit on us. Anyone interested? I would personally bring anyone up to speed on what you would be doing in the job. There are both state and federal issues that need us to work on. With an org like CORVA, you can do as much or little as you like. Want to just focus on the lead ban for CORVA? We will take your help. Love Truckhaven and want to work on that? Let us know.
If you think that giving CORVA $35 is bad for OHV, I think you are mistaken. There are a lot of orgs that do what we do and they are all under funded and under staffed, that is just the nature of our business. We would love to hire a lawyer, a lobbyist and a public relations firm, its just not in our budget now. Give us volunteers polite, constructive criticism or jump in to help. Throwing rocks at us does none of us any good.
Ed Stovin
CORVA Southern Grants
VP San Diego Off-Road Coalition
There will always be those who talk, and those who do.
While the two aren't mutually exclusive, many times they seem to be on forums.
Ed's post points out what is great about CORVA - he works hard, he does a lot, and remains humble but dedicated to the cause. There are many on the board who are just like this, they're too busy working to spend much time on forums. I would challenge many of you on this forum to do as much.
While I guess I've been singled out as one of the people who are engaged in CORVA, (with sort of a back-handed compliment) I'm here to tell you that the people who do the most work don't always have the time to sit and justify themselves to those who just want to complain.
What is CORVA doing? Making a difference in state-wide politics, writing comment on federal documents, and teaching people to be responsible in their local areas.
Conversely, if you want to join the effort instead of complain about the effort - we have an opening on our board. Step up to the plate to make a difference.
In the meantime:
Take responsibility for your actions in your local area.
get to know your land managers.
get to know your legislators
Join state-wide organizations that give you the most representation (I'm a big fan of CA4WDC and CORVA)
Take stock of what you can do to make a difference - maybe you're skilled at PR, maybe you're a printer that can help print flyers, maybe you can help with a webpage.
Offer to help.
If you are already doing these things - great... if not, take stock, see what you can do to help.
Amy Granat
Northern Director
CORVA
While the two aren't mutually exclusive, many times they seem to be on forums.
Ed's post points out what is great about CORVA - he works hard, he does a lot, and remains humble but dedicated to the cause. There are many on the board who are just like this, they're too busy working to spend much time on forums. I would challenge many of you on this forum to do as much.
While I guess I've been singled out as one of the people who are engaged in CORVA, (with sort of a back-handed compliment) I'm here to tell you that the people who do the most work don't always have the time to sit and justify themselves to those who just want to complain.
What is CORVA doing? Making a difference in state-wide politics, writing comment on federal documents, and teaching people to be responsible in their local areas.
Conversely, if you want to join the effort instead of complain about the effort - we have an opening on our board. Step up to the plate to make a difference.
In the meantime:
Take responsibility for your actions in your local area.
get to know your land managers.
get to know your legislators
Join state-wide organizations that give you the most representation (I'm a big fan of CA4WDC and CORVA)
Take stock of what you can do to make a difference - maybe you're skilled at PR, maybe you're a printer that can help print flyers, maybe you can help with a webpage.
Offer to help.
If you are already doing these things - great... if not, take stock, see what you can do to help.
Amy Granat
Northern Director
CORVA
Amy thanks 1st on topic comment form CORVA on this tread but I have big problems with the By Law changes, such as just what is a supporting member, and how members get nominated for office some say Carry the load just what do they mean by that???...TJ
QUOTE (motoed @ Mar 3 2010, 12:18 AM)
Some of you say you don't like the new Feinstein bill, S2921. I have looked it over and believe this to be one of the best OHV bills I have ever seen. I will tell you why. It affects us the three ways. First, it has a wilderness section. In this area there has been widespread cherry stemming. That means that the places we couldn't go before will be closed(the cherry). The roads that are there are left open (the stems). The roads will be made open by this statute. The monuments will have OHV use retained and it will be locked in by this statute. The 5 open areas (Razor, Stoddert Wells, Spangler Hills El Mirage, what's left of Johnson Valley) will become open areas by statute also. This gives OHV in the open areas and monuments protection equal to the species on the endangered species list. This is BIG! The only other legislation I have seen this good was SB742 a couple years ago. This is nothing like S7 and S21 that locked us out of the places we go. I lost my camp spot in Painted Gorge because of S21 in the 1990's, this new bill is nothing like that.
I know keeping an org like CORVA vibrant is very difficult and getting good people to do stuff is hard. If you are really dissatisfied with CORVA, I would recommend you get involved and help carry some of the load. I work full time, race motocross once a month and go riding other times. I just make it a point and a priority to help out how I can. We just had our southern legislative guy quit on us. Anyone interested? I would personally bring anyone up to speed on what you would be doing in the job. There are both state and federal issues that need us to work on. With an org like CORVA, you can do as much or little as you like. Want to just focus on the lead ban for CORVA? We will take your help. Love Truckhaven and want to work on that? Let us know.
Give us volunteers polite, constructive criticism or jump in to help. Throwing rocks at us does none of us any good.
I know keeping an org like CORVA vibrant is very difficult and getting good people to do stuff is hard. If you are really dissatisfied with CORVA, I would recommend you get involved and help carry some of the load. I work full time, race motocross once a month and go riding other times. I just make it a point and a priority to help out how I can. We just had our southern legislative guy quit on us. Anyone interested? I would personally bring anyone up to speed on what you would be doing in the job. There are both state and federal issues that need us to work on. With an org like CORVA, you can do as much or little as you like. Want to just focus on the lead ban for CORVA? We will take your help. Love Truckhaven and want to work on that? Let us know.
Give us volunteers polite, constructive criticism or jump in to help. Throwing rocks at us does none of us any good.
Here ya go Ed...
The bill is very flawed in that it has language that requires new management plans that are very open to litigation from the likes of CDB, Sierra Club, etc. The language needs to be changed to better protect what you believe is being protected.
One needs to remember that each of the open areas that are in this bill already have a management plan that seems to work out just fine.
This being said: Why in the world would the bill mandate another management plan.
Could it be a way for the enviro's to get us on board and then litigate us and BLM to accepting something different?
We lose forever Surprise Canyon through Wild and Scenic River status. I'm sure this is very upsetting to CA4WDC.
These are just a couple of my concerns about supporting legislation that on face looks good, but in reality is just a set-up for litigation in the future.
Ed and Amy,
to 
It is fantastic you have both taken time to explain some of the information we have yet to hear.
to It is fantastic you have both taken time to explain some of the information we have yet to hear.
QUOTE (Trail Gal @ Mar 3 2010, 10:02 AM)
There will always be those who talk, and those who do.
While the two aren't mutually exclusive, many times they seem to be on forums.
Ed's post points out what is great about CORVA - he works hard, he does a lot, and remains humble but dedicated to the cause. There are many on the board who are just like this, they're too busy working to spend much time on forums. I would challenge many of you on this forum to do as much.
While I guess I've been singled out as one of the people who are engaged in CORVA, (with sort of a back-handed compliment) I'm here to tell you that the people who do the most work don't always have the time to sit and justify themselves to those who just want to complain.
What is CORVA doing? Making a difference in state-wide politics, writing comment on federal documents, and teaching people to be responsible in their local areas.
Conversely, if you want to join the effort instead of complain about the effort - we have an opening on our board. Step up to the plate to make a difference.
In the meantime:
Take responsibility for your actions in your local area.
get to know your land managers.
get to know your legislators
Join state-wide organizations that give you the most representation (I'm a big fan of CA4WDC and CORVA)
Take stock of what you can do to make a difference - maybe you're skilled at PR, maybe you're a printer that can help print flyers, maybe you can help with a webpage.
Offer to help.
If you are already doing these things - great... if not, take stock, see what you can do to help.
Amy Granat
Northern Director
CORVA
While the two aren't mutually exclusive, many times they seem to be on forums.
Ed's post points out what is great about CORVA - he works hard, he does a lot, and remains humble but dedicated to the cause. There are many on the board who are just like this, they're too busy working to spend much time on forums. I would challenge many of you on this forum to do as much.
While I guess I've been singled out as one of the people who are engaged in CORVA, (with sort of a back-handed compliment) I'm here to tell you that the people who do the most work don't always have the time to sit and justify themselves to those who just want to complain.
What is CORVA doing? Making a difference in state-wide politics, writing comment on federal documents, and teaching people to be responsible in their local areas.
Conversely, if you want to join the effort instead of complain about the effort - we have an opening on our board. Step up to the plate to make a difference.
In the meantime:
Take responsibility for your actions in your local area.
get to know your land managers.
get to know your legislators
Join state-wide organizations that give you the most representation (I'm a big fan of CA4WDC and CORVA)
Take stock of what you can do to make a difference - maybe you're skilled at PR, maybe you're a printer that can help print flyers, maybe you can help with a webpage.
Offer to help.
If you are already doing these things - great... if not, take stock, see what you can do to help.
Amy Granat
Northern Director
CORVA
It's always so much easier to throw stones, than actually get something done. Great post. Thanks for all that you do!!!
OK again I want to hear what they mean by helping carry the wight, My membership is still up to date and in 2008 I donated $200 to CORVA, I comment and attend meetings so let's clear this up folks. SO again what is a supporting member, also what has CORVA done to help me be more affective as an interested party, that's the main reason I support any organization..TJ
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I have looked it over and believe this to be one of the best OHV bills I have ever seen.
So Officially does CORVA support this thing or not, simple yes or no please...TJ
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Found this cool flyer on the D37 BBS, their trying to do a Lobby day and it shows CORVA as being part of this, guess CLORV is not involved but if CORVA is this should be on the CORVA Web site. Wiley stated at the last Commission meeting CLORV was back, if so are they going to do a voters guide which brings me to my next question, who will they be recommending for our States US Senator Hummm...TJ
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Amy thanks 1st on topic comment form CORVA on this tread but I have big problems with the By Law changes, such as just what is a supporting member, and how members get nominated for office some say Carry the load just what do they mean by that???...TJ
Seems real clear to me:
A. Supporting Membership
Supporting Members are individuals or families of individuals who are current in their dues and are interested in off-road vehicles.
Ride on
Brewster
Thanks Brew but I really want a commitment on this forum the people responsible, IE the CORVA BOD that's what it means...TJ
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OOPS We left the CLORV Logo off of the flyer..... (District 37 Off-Road and CORVA are only Sponsoring Sundays events) This is a CLORV event ...Sorry Folks
OK their now saying CLORV is doing this, well CLORV or no CLORV can we all agree to put out best foot forward to remove Boxer, that's the only way (yes my opinion) to have any leverage with Feinstein or anyone show we can influence elections...TJ
Just donated my membership renewal money to Chuck Devore, to help in his Senate run against Boxer hope CORVA and our Leadership figures something out, C-AY I'm outa here.
Quack, Quack, Quack....................Don't look back...TJ
Quack, Quack, Quack....................Don't look back...TJ
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