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Crowdog
http://www.latimes.com/features/outdoors/l...est9mar09.story

WILD WEST
Showdown in the desert sandbox
There's already a ballooning crowd of ATVers. Now lawyers and biologists are joining the fray on the Imperial Dunes.
Christopher Reynolds

March 9, 2004

Vvrrrrroooooooooooooooooom. This meeting of the American Sand Assn. will now come to order.

"You could say we're rednecks!" hollers Bob Mason, 71, the vice chairman. But Greg Gorman, the 43-year-old chairman, gently disagrees.

"We're gearheads!" says Gorman. Then their voices fade amid engine roar and the howl of wind across 40 miles of dunes.

We rouse ourselves from folding chairs, midway between El Centro and Yuma, at the edge of a 21st century wagon circle. RVs, dirt bikes, dune buggies, epic barbecue provisions — the landscape is strewn with toys for men. On this Saturday morning, duner sons rev scaled-down ATVs and duner daughters peddle Girl Scout cookies trailer to trailer. The Mexican border lies less than a mile south. To the north, where we're headed, rolls the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area, biggest batch of dunes in the country.

Mason straps me, goggled and helmeted, into the shotgun seat of his home-built $40,000 buggy. He races the 410-cubic-inch sprint-car engine and engages an automatic transmission harvested from a '79 Buick Riviera, and we creep away from the circle.

Gorman pulls on a helmet, boots and padded suit, throws a leg over his ATV — a 400cc Suzuki quad — and lets out the throttle. And suddenly we're a hurtling convoy behind buggy driver Kurtis Forstie. We leap, careen and romp through the creamy hills and valleys — a strangely smooth ride, because our shock absorbers are roughly the size of goal posts. Clinging to inclines no road builder would ever attempt, we avoid other duners by looking for the flags atop their mandatory 8-foot poles.

But risk is part of this. You can collide, roll, stick like a lawn dart into the face of a dune or tumble into one of the holes they call Witches' Eyes.

We cover about 15 miles. Later I borrow an ATV, scramble over a few low dunes and nearly ram Gorman's RV. No blood spills. Two days afterward, I'm still scraping grains out of my ears.

From one of these metallic beasts, the desert seems inexhaustible. But the longer you look, the smaller this playground gets.

Under pressure over endangered species, federal officials have been steadily cutting back the motorized vehicle territory here. The last big closing, a temporary measure blocking access to about 49,000 acres, came in late 2000 and left the duners with about 85,000 acres, their boundaries monitored by small plane. That's roughly half the space they had 20 years ago.

Meanwhile, in October, the understaffed Bureau of Land Management tripled its fee here, so regulars pay $90 per vehicle per winter. People like me, dropping by for a week or less, pay a hefty $25.

Duners founded the American Sand Assn. three years ago, hoping to fend off closures and link arms with older pro-access groups. They've got 18,000 members now. With big decisions due in coming months, they say they're spending more than $14,000 a month on attorneys and biologists.

Mason, a retired utility executive, has been driving out from Phoenix since the late '60s. Gorman, a software engineer, heads here from Mesa, Ariz., wife and two sons tucked into a 32-foot RV, four ATVs tucked into a trailer behind. Last winter they spent 62 days here.

The area is "a national resource that needs to be managed, for the off-road community as well as everybody else," says Gorman. "That's why we're fighting so hard."

He and his brethren are up against some big guns, though, including the Tucson-based Center for Biological Diversity, the Sierra Club and Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility.

While feds ponder how or whether to reopen those 49,000 acres, arguments persist over such questions as whether the Peirson's milk vetch (a plant that grows in these sands) should be subtracted from the federal threatened species list or the Andrew's dunes scarab beetle should be added. "There's a difference between access and excess," says Daniel Patterson, desert ecologist for the Center for Biological Diversity. "They've got to know when to turn on the no-vacancy sign out there."

So the duners' enemies are a challenge. And so, in a way, are their friends. In January, California officials counted 717,000 registered ATVs, snowmobiles, dune buggies, sand rails and dirt bikes in the state, more than twice the total in 1980, when there was about twice as much space set aside statewide for them. Some weekends, more than 100,000 people turn up here.

The playing field shrinks, the players keep on coming and this wasn't the safest sport on Earth to begin with. BLM officials have counted six fatalities and more than 1,300 injury accidents here since October 2001 — smaller numbers than I expected, given the estimated 1.2 million visitors last year and the inevitable idiots among them.

Before law enforcement started cracking down and groups such as American Sand Assn. starting doing more self-policing a couple of years ago, it was routine for a winter holiday weekend to bring injuries and arrests by the score. In accounts of those nights, you come across the words "Mad Max" a lot. And you wonder why anybody would risk a species to preserve these people's kicks. But then, rolling with Gorman, Mason and the Girl Scouts, you wonder what sense it makes to evict families and everyone else on wheels so the milk vetches can ripple in peace.

My answer is Sonoran Zen: I see skirmishing lawyers and battling biologists as two more creatures in the new desert ecology, essential as ocotillo stalks and those little lizards that swim through loose sand. We need the scratching and clawing for balance, along with the volunteers hooting and murmuring and rangers prowling. I like blasting up a wind-scoured slope well enough. But I like it better when I'm sure nobody's on the other side.
Robbie
Its hard to believe that the LA times actually printed that
stonehenge
Thats a joke right? The leftest times printed that? On invisible ink? Can't beleive it. Whats the world coming to? WOW
HozaykwAIRvo
QUOTE (Robbie @ Mar 9 2004, 07:38 AM)
Its hard to believe that the LA times actually printed that

blink.gif ZACLY!

Must be a joke... I bet they got hate mail from their readers for printing that.
PimpShackDave
Nice read! I'd be curious to see if the paper gets any backlash, and what kind/who from...
JET
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"You could say we're rednecks!" hollers Bob Mason


Nice quote. dry.gif rolleyes.gif
Sandemon
QUOTE (JET @ Mar 9 2004, 11:02 PM)
QUOTE
"You could say we're rednecks!" hollers Bob Mason


Nice quote. dry.gif rolleyes.gif

Yea, thats the image we are trying to portray icon_twisted.gif icon_cool.gif
stonehenge
That was a pure leftest twist, about the redneck, but come on they had to throw in something, the entire piece seemed kinda cynical.
stonehenge
QUOTE (Crowdog @ Mar 9 2004, 06:37 AM)


WILD WEST
Showdown in the desert sandbox






"We're gearheads!" .

We rouse ourselves from folding chairs, midway between El Centro and Yuma, at the edge of a 21st century wagon circle. RVs, dirt bikes, dune buggies, epic barbecue provisions — the landscape is strewn with toys for men
shotgun


No blood spills.
From one of these metallic beasts, the desert seems inexhaustible.







"Mad Max" And you wonder why anybody would risk a species to preserve these people's kicks.

Some of this is what many read.
stonehenge
Its in there, and imagine if your the type that has no idea other than what the "idiot" box feeds your mind.
SailAway
There were some positive comments in the piece. Actually, it was much better than I was expecting, knowing how they Left Angeles Times likes to spin things.

We'll never get a completely fair shake from publications like that.

Vicki
Looney Duner
I read this article yesterday at work, In Ventura, it was the only paper available guys sorry! But I did read the article, and also was very shocked to see the Times write an unbiased piece on our sport, told a couple of friends about it also, and they had the same reaction, NO WAY! laughing.gif
The Pastor
Does anyone subscribe? (I won't give them my money and they require registration on their website... UGGHH) Were there any op/ed pieces in response?

The Pastor smokin.gif
PimpShackDave
So a balanced story that talks about an issue from both sides is unacceptable? The way it would seem some people want it, the news should only be what they feel is fit to print. Unfortunately, that's how it works, and unfortunately, you're not in charge...everyone talks about the liberal media, do you mean to imply the liberals have all the power and money because they control the flow of ideas? If so, how did they ever allow such a religious fundamentalist into rulership of our country?
QueenGlamis
Well coming from the effed up LA Times, I'd expected much worse! It really wasn't a bad article all things considered. icon_biggrin.gif
PimpShackDave
As bad as the slant is from a media outlet, and no matter which way the slant goes, once in a while everyone has to pull at least one fair, balanced piece out of their arse. I think this might be that one. Liberal though I'm labeled, I'll admit that the helLA Times has a pretty hard left bias.
JET
I wish I didn't have a hundred calculus problems to do tonight or I would take the time to point out the liberal/left wing bias here. But for the Left Angeles Times, I have to admit, it has a fair amount of balance.

The Pastor
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If so, how did they ever allow such a religious fundamentalist into rulership of our country?

I've heard the "fundamentalist" label thrown about so much lately I'm starting to wonder if anyone knows what it means...

By fundamentalist do you mean, "not Catholic"???

Last time I checked I wasn't being marched down to Church every Sunday...

The Pastor smokin.gif
BeachHead
QUOTE (The Pastor @ Mar 10 2004, 06:47 PM)
Last time I checked I wasn't being marched down to Church every Sunday...


Dang...and here I thought the Pastor went to the church of the shifting sands voluntarilly..icon_smile.gif

It is however amazing that the L.A. Times printed a non bashing story about the dunes. A newspaper only prints what they want, and more importantly what they think their readers want to read. The times is well known as being extremely liberal, and just this past year showed that they will do anything to force that view...even printing doctored pictures.

Their eco-nazi spokesman must have been sick the day that article was approved for publication. That's the only reason I can figure such a relatively unbiased article made it to print.
PimpShackDave
Pastor - I mean someone who's trying to bring the legal system of the U.S. into line with the ideals and morals of the Christian religion. I don't know enough about it to start arguing about Protestant sects vs. Catholicism, for the sake of simplicity I lump them together as having more similarities than differences. My problem with this form of rule is that our population is far from 100% Christian, so someone's gonna get screwed.
South Bay
The way I read it, the fundementalist label is generally applied to those who are known as "born agains" . . .
The Pastor
I'm not sure if you know this... but our system of laws is based on Judeo/Christian ideals.

QUOTE
fundamentalism 
SYLLABICATION: fun·da·men·tal·ism
PRONUNCIATION: AUDIO: fnd-mntl-zm    KEY 
NOUN: 1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.
2a. often Fundamentalism An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of Scripture. b. Adherence to the theology of this movement.


Hmmmm... I guess I'm a fundamentalist, though, not a RELIGIOUS fundamentalist. I certainly believe in a return to fundamental prinicpals, of family, responsibility, honesty, and respect for others. I do NOT believe in religious adherence to those principals, only that I think it is better for our country and our civilization that we move that direction as opposed to the direction of secularism, hedonism, and moral decay.

Is our Government run by fundamentalists? I think that would be a huge stretch!

The Pastor smokin.gif

Sanduners
QUOTE (BeachHead @ Mar 10 2004, 11:13 PM)
It is however amazing that the L.A. Times printed a non bashing story about the dunes. A newspaper only prints what they want, and more importantly what they think their readers want to read. The times is well known as being extremely liberal, and just this past year showed that they will do anything to force that view...even printing doctored pictures.

Their eco-nazi spokesman must have been sick the day that article was approved for publication. That's the only reason I can figure such a relatively unbiased article made it to print.

Or could it be that we ARE making progress with our combined efforts???

That is what I believe made this story (and more to come) a reality. icon_cool.gif

Everyone makes a difference, some small, some LARGE! Thanks to Greg Gorman and tireless Bob Mason for all they do for OUR sport. icon_smile.gif

I live for the day I can cancel my parents 50+ year's of subscriptions to the Times, I did get it down now to only Sunday's.. icon_biggrin.gif
South Bay
QUOTE (The Pastor @ Mar 11 2004, 05:40 PM)


Is our Government run by fundamentalists? I think that would be a huge stretch!


No secret that our president and is of the born again persuasion (Ashcroft too?) or that much of the party's platform is driven by the extreme Christian right. See the faith based social service policies, the abstinence only school curricula, and the recent gay marriage amendment proposal as evidence of their influence over governmental policy . . .

PimpShackDave
Pastor - Your dictionary definition is better than the one I pulled out of my arse, but I still think it could well describe the current leaders of our country. Their wish is for all of us to either adhere to the standards, practices, beliefs, and morals of their religion, or die and go to hell. They wish to make these practices compulsory, rather than voluntary.
Robbie
QUOTE (South Bay @ Mar 12 2004, 08:39 AM)
QUOTE (The Pastor @ Mar 11 2004, 05:40 PM)


Is our Government run by fundamentalists? I think that would be a huge stretch!


No secret that our president and is of the born again persuasion (Ashcroft too?) or that much of the party's platform is driven by the extreme Christian right. See the faith based social service policies, the abstinence only school curricula, and the recent gay marriage amendment proposal as evidence of their influence over governmental policy . . .

Sounds good to me
BeachHead
And what is wrong with respect, morality, responsibility, and self-discipline? I believe that you can see the decline of our society just about matches the decline of those simple principles in our every day lives. And those are definitely cornerstones of Christianity....fundamentals if you will....
South Bay
Nothings is wrong with them. In fact they are a good thing. However, I personally don't think you can or necessarily should attempt to legislate morality. I was responding to the Pastor's assertion that it would be a huge stretch that fundementalists could dictate government policy. They clearly can and do. School prayer anyone ? ? ?
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