cant help you out its hard for us to get a group together to head to glamis, try to make atleast two trips a year since were so far away but the more things i read about( tickets,leos,closures,disrespectful people...) the dune heaven i grew up in makes me want to stay ferther and ferther away, see ya in dumont soon...

We've been talking bout these probs since last year and now these new rules are in full effect!
I'm sure I'll suffer just as much as you...

[font="Comic Sans MS"][/font][color="#FF00FF"][/color]I was out there for Halloween weekend. Sat at Old's with my group/family and decided to take a ride to Boardmanville...some would ride the dunes and some would ride to camp, drop off chairs and grab money for beer. I was driving our 2008 Ranger, went over railroad tracks and began heading down Kipton Road when I saw a Ranger sitting there on road....I quickly turned around and went up on the side where tracks are made with quads and such. As I headed towards the Ranger, he turned on his lights and when I got close he yelled at me to stop and come down on road. I thought NOOOOO, I am NOT going to get on that road for a ticket so I sat up top. He came to me and asked for my drivers license and registration. I didn't have my license on me but gave him all the info. He wrote me a ticket.....he said he gave me a break cause that fine is normally $1500.00 for California but he wrote it as federal so it would not be points on my license and ONLY cost me $125.00. Wow...that guy was a jerk!!! Can only get to Boardmanville by vehicle on road, any other way will get you a ticket.

BEWARE!!!!

What was the ticket for?
did he write a vehicle code violation number?

What if im riding my quad, but i dont touch ted kipf road? Is it illegal to ride at all on that side of the tracks?

If im in a street legal vehicle, I have to stay on ted kipf road...where can I turn to get to boardmanville and still be legal?

8341.1 - Regulations governing use.

(a) The operation of off-road vehicles is permitted on those areas and trails designated as open to off-road vehicle use.

(b) Any person operating an off-road vehicle on those areas and trails designated as limited shall conform to all terms and conditions of the applicable designation orders.

© The operation of off-road vehicles is prohibited on those areas and trails closed to off-road vehicle use.

(d) It is prohibited to operate an off-road vehicle in violation of State laws and regulations relating to use, standards, registration, operation, and inspection of off-road vehicles. To the extent that State laws and regulations do not exist or are less stringent than the regulations in this part, the regulations in this part are minimum standards and are controlling.

(e) No person may operate an off-road vehicle on public lands without a valid State operator's license or learner's permit where required by State or Federal law.

(f) No person shall operate an off-road vehicle on public lands: (1) In a reckless, careless, or negligent manner; (2) In excess of established speed limits; (3) While under the influence of alcohol, narcotics, or dangerous drugs; (4) In a manner causing, or likely to cause significant, undue damage to or disturbance of the soil, wildlife, wildlife habitat, improvements, cultural, or vegetative resources or other authorized uses of the public lands; and (5) During night hours, from a half-hour after sunset to a half-hour before sunrise, without lighted headlights and taillights.

(g) Drivers of off-road vehicles shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians, saddle horses, pack trains, and animal-drawn vehicles.

(h) Any person who operates an off-road vehicle on public lands must comply with the regulations in this part, and in 8341.2 as applicable, while operating such vehicle on public lands.

So is crossing the tracks at the 78 in an OHV not tolerated anymore? Its not legal, but like many other aspects of the Wash road saga, has been tolerated for many many years. We like to camp over in the pit (diagonal across tracks from the store) from time to time for a change, but you do have to drive your buggy on the 78 for about 30 feet to cross the tracks.

I dont see a subsection (6)
But it sounds like he cited you for being on the road.
That area "off the road" is open for use, and there are plenty of trails.

and the ONLY other sign on that road

What is "SIGNED OPEN"?

BLM supplementary rules reestablished under authority of 43 CFR 8365.1-6. Violations of the rules are punishable by a fine not to exceed $1,000 and/or imprisonment not to exceed 12 months (43 CFR 8360.0-7). Also, all OHVs must be operated in accordance with State laws and regulations relating to use, registration, operation, and inspection of OHVs(43 CFR 8341.1{d}).

Title 43 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR): (plus) 8341.1© OHV operations in Closed Area, which carries a fine of $150 in most areas. 8341.1(b) OHV operations off designated routes (limited use areas) usually $100 fine. 8341.1(d), CVC (California Vehicle Code) 38020 OHV on public land w/o green sticker $50 - 38505 OHV on public land w/o helmet $35 - 38506 OHV on public land w passenger $35.

Yikes...sorry, that was the same sign, lol

Robbie, So it is written, but so is my ticket. I was not on the road but on a trail that runs along side of the road, never touching the road. The Ranger told me that there are signs out there but when I went back with truck and camera I saw only these signs

I was driving our 2008 Ranger, went over railroad tracks and began heading down Kipton Road when I saw a Ranger sitting there on road....I quickly turned around and went up on the side

You may want to get your story straight.

Your first post said:




Which sounds to me like you know you weren't allowed on Ted Kipf and only got off of it when you saw the range (which as it turns out was too late.)


So were you on the road like you said in your first post, or were you not on the road like you're claiming now?

What is "SIGNED OPEN"?

"Signed open" means their has to be a sign stating open trail. Same trouble at Dove Springs
A trail with a sign "trail closed" and a trail with NO sign are the same off limits

So, you are telling me that the maps that BLM have, are not correct and people should not pay attention to maps created by BLM, the same ones that regulate our dunes. But whether there is NO sign, automatically know that is off limits? I don't get it

At Dove Springs the BLM will tell ya if their isnt a sign they will write you. Limited use means ONLY use marked trails.

Are there ANY marked trails in the ISDRA?

Isnt the area across the tracks a separate area though?

In Parker the "resorts" are "managed" by the BLM, they specified no OHV activity at all within the "managed" lands. We have to tow out and in now...sucks...but people keep voting these idiots in....so it is what it is...

Where's Mr. Hamada's question and answer board...he should know where th limited use area starts...