BEWARE THIS IS SO MASSIVE OTHER ITEMS MAY COMPARE AS SMALL!!!!!!

S4D MAIN CASE BEING ASSEMBLED
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PLEASE CLICK BELOW PICTURE DUE TO THE MASSIVE SIZE OF THE USABLE TOOTH FORM ON THESE GEARS I HAD TO SHRINK THE PICTURE & ITS IFORMATION
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THIS ALSO COMES IN THE S4 SIZE WITH ITS USABLE REVERSE GEAR
CLICK ME PLEASE
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THIS RING GEAR MAY LOOK LIKE ITS COUSINS THE ALBINS BUT IS MADE EXCLUSIVELY FOR MENDEOLA S4D LOCO GRANDE GEAR
COMES IN 4.37/4.63/4.88 FLAVORS
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********* DING/DING/DING THIS JUST IN- COMING ON FEB.14 2010 LOUIS VUITTON TORQUE CONVERTER WILL BE AVAILABLE

What's the cost and HP rating?

Zilla

Comparison pics please

ok you post this up and no specs , you know we are all looking , come on ! hp. rating , cost yada yada yada . very interested in haering about this . tim

So according to your picture 1st gear is 1" or 25.44 mm wide and it looks to have full tooth contact with the mating gear.
2nd thru 4th is 1.185" or 30.11mm wide with full tooth contact as well.


If this is the case this 1st gear has 41% more surface area than the Fotrin wide gear has in 1st (since there is only 18mm contact in Fortins 1 gear). Now there is a difference in strength due to Fortin using straight cut gears however how much of a difference is hard to determine but I doubt it can accommodate a 41% width deficit.

2nd thru 4th in comparison to a 4 speed wide gear Fortin reveals that the S4D has a 20% width advantage. Again there is a difference due to Fortins use of straight cut gears.

what is different from a normal S4D

What's the difference in gear width VS the HD?

Not sure what you are getting at here, it sounds like you are saying that a straight cut gear is stronger than a helical gear? A helical gear has more wear surface and more root area, not to mention that gear diameter comes into play when we are talking about strength as well. Please clarify what you are getting at, inquiring minds want to know.

Straight cut gears are stronger than helically cut gears. However the size difference between the S4D and the Fortin more than makes up the difference I think.
I was comparing the size of the gears and I think that the S4D gear stack would be stronger over all. In first gear the S4D should be much stronger than the Fortin.

It looks like that the S4D would be a great choice especially when you consider the cost.

Just to clear it up that First gear in the pic is the old style gear all Four speeds are now available in the 30mm version. Also Romans your not on the money Helical gears are known for their strength advantage while Spur cut gears are known for their efficiency, truth be told I doubt any of us could really notice the efficiency between the two. Put it on a road course and get down to consistent lap times and you MAY notice it then between the two, but strength in off-road is key or at least that is what I would go with! Also the S4D is $12,950.

Better change that on the site then.

What is the cost difference between the loco and standard S4D? and what are the main differences between the S4 and S4D? Is there a TC setup for these? What does it cost?

^^^^ what he said

Victor - what is the price on an S5D? How about a Chevy bell housing for a full size, i.e. ~11" clutch?

Also, I am confused, is the gear set in the S4D the same as the S4 now?

Can you shed some light on the "challenges" associated with swapping out from an S5 to an S4/5D? How about superimposing the S4D and S4 CAD images so we can see the difference?

In San Diego Off-Roader there is a full page add touting the new TC for the S4D so I'd say that is a "yes" on that. Plus scroll down to the bottom of the first post and read this....
********* DING/DING/DING THIS JUST IN- COMING ON FEB.14 2010 LOUIS VUITTON TORQUE CONVERTER WILL BE AVAILABLE

Would like to upgrade from my S5 to an S5D but.... My S5 has done well with my 4200lb. Alumicraft pre-runner with 35" tires and a 400hp/385 lb-ft(RWHP on Redline dyno) without any problems but would like some additional margin for more HP as well as an 11" bell-housing for a bigger clutch.

Victor - How about a current price for the S5D?

Dealers sell them for $12,950.00
1000HP/in a 4200-4500 weighted vehicle

http://mendeolatransaxles.com/s4d.php

Sequential 4 speed Deluxe =S4D

11.5" FORGED 9310 VAR RING & PINION SET
4.37 or 4.63 & 4.88 RING AND PINION OPTIONS
FLANGE TO FLANGE DISTANCE, SAME AS 'S4'
C.V. CENTERLINE TO BOTTOM OF CASE, SAME AS 'S4'
8 BOLT HD4 STYLE PINION BEARING HOUSING
BILLET ALUMINUM SIDE COVERS
V-8 BELL HOUSINGS STANDARD
UNITS SET-UP FOR PROPRIETARY KENNEDY 8" TRIPLE DISC FULL METALLIC CLUTCH, STAGE III OR IV
1 3/16-18 HEMI-SPLINE, 300M INPUT SHAFTS
19MM REVERSE GEAR
6.5" DIFFERENTIAL BEARINGS
SUPER-DUTY 14 BOLT 4130 ALLOY DIFFERENTIAL
WITH BILLET 4130 ALLOY DIFF HAT
ALL CASTINGS AIRCRAFT QUALITY A-356 T-6 ALUMINUM ALLOY
HYBRID DANA STYLE DIFFERENTIAL GEARSET

S4D Transaxle Options:
· Series 30 Drive Flanges
· Small Block Chevy and LS1 Bell Housings available
· Engine plate mounted bellhousing

Applications


Max Tire Size

·Sand Buggy 2000 Padla Trak
·Heavy Duty Pre-runner 37" BFG Projects
·SCORE Unlimited Race Cars TOYO 38"


Max Vehicle Weight 4,200 lbs - 4,500 lbs

Max Engine HP *

600 - RACE CAR
650 - PRE-RUNNER
1000 - SAND BUGGY



* 5 SPEED RATING IS 25% LESS

what about the torque converter ? can you give us the scoop and pricing on that ? tim

That's a smokin deal on a trans like this can I trade in my 2d?

Yes,1st gear is older style gear in this unit and is 1" or 25.44 mm wide and made to align for full tooth contact.
Yes,2nd thru 4th is 1.185" or 30.11mm wide with full tooth contact as well.

Romans9, lets put this one to bed % wise we will have more teeth in engagement which will increase the surface area as well- so 41% is now 49% +/-
Gears are tricky with strength #s and how to achieve them being Spur (straight cut) or Helical cut gears can have same ratios and 1several different tooth forms.
Please understand this:
HELICAL GEARS HAVE MORE STRENGTH WHEN COMPARED TO A SPUR GEAR OF THE SAME RATIO. please take in to consideration what was said in 1

please,please,please read the following link and understand gears are purpose built items for there application
http://www.glamisdunes.com/invision/index....howtopic=145520

YOUR S5 gears go right in to a S4D/S5D with new parts maincase forward to bellhousing-VICTOR!!! Help!!! #'S

Why of coarse we sell new and used will wheel and deal we can make your dreams reality.

Ian, you misunderstand my posts. I think these are great sounding specs. for a gear box ESPECIALLY for the price.

In my industry and most others straight cut gears are generally accepted as being a little stronger and a little more efficient at transferring the load than helically cut gears, the biggest draw back to straight cut gears is the noise that they produce. Even in other applications the advantage of using straight cut gears I am sure is minimal. This may not be the case here due to the various other conditions that a off-road gear box is subject too.

My reference to the comparison between this box and a Fortin wide gear was to illustrate just how much more (percentage wise) surface area that this box has over the Fortin. With the information Victor provided concerning first gear, it makes the S4D look even better (stronger).

Even if a straight cut gear is a little (you may not agree and I haven't personally tested it so I can't be dogmatic about it) stronger I don't see how for example the Fortin wide gear could come close to handling the loads this box (S4D) could with its 30mm gears.

As of right now this is the transaxle I would purchase for my new car especially with a Chevy bell housing and a torque converter if that is available.

Am I correct and seeing that you offer these in the S4s. what kind of advantages over lets say 1 year old S4.

SO if I trade in my albins what kind of deal can I get?? Would love a tq set up. just mash the gas baby!!!!!!!!

Would you really trade in an Albins?

Sorry it took me a while to get in here! A S5D carries a $13,950 price tag... both the S4D and S5D come with either the LS1 or SBC bellhousing for the 9in. clutch. The price to upgrade from a S4/5 to the D model is Roughly $7,000 all said and done! I will talk to Ian about getting the CAD drawings supper imposed! Good Idea! Also this gear stack is standard we do not charge anything extra, their are certain ratios that are not available yet in 30mm but I will verify with Weddle to see how which ones are not available. The S4D w/ the torque converter setup is $16,950 (IIRC) Alone I have not gotten a price from Mike yet. John Cooley is absolutely pleased with it in his New Class 1 car he built, which I say is a WORK OF ART!


Edit for spelling

You will be moving the engine back and changing the lower, and upper if one is ran bellhousing mount.
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Sorry Romans9 -I understood your understanding of the gears especially from the industry you work in.
I worry some readers don't.
I want them to do the full research, and have a understanding of what gears and why they are used.
If Tim were to have dug a little deeper he would have come up with this propaganda that was being sold to him.
Sorry, and thank you for letting me use you as my whipping pole.

WOW Sunday responses - do you guys work 24-7!!!

Almost hate to go here but....

Will the PBS bellhousing work on the S4/5D?

Its that or Christmas shopping with the old lady.

good choice ! tim

I'll shop with the old lady as long as were going to McKenzie's, Kartek, a stop at Penhall, Alumicraft and Jimco to figure out where we'll put the deposit down on a new car and then we'll swing by Mendeola for their
SPECIAL HOLIDAY PRICING BLOW OUT SALE to order up a new S5D!!

I've been searching online for Mendeola coupon codes w/o any luck - got to be there somewhere...

BFS,

Alumicraft, its the only way to fly! Come on down!

Thanks, Victor

What's the gear width on an Albins sequential?

It would appear that this is a more budget minded alternative to the albins

Though the saying "you get what you pay for" may apply.

i have my eye on this trans . tim

X2

I just had my s4d converted over to a 5 speed and would really like to know what I would need to change to a TC and some prices. I already have the chevy bellhousing and a spacer plate and am running a 9" triple disc mcleod clutch

how long have you had the s4D and how much power are you running ? tim

I've only had it about 5 months. I've had it in glamis for 3 trips of 4 to 6 days and a day out in Barstow and we just ran the SNORE off road race in Laughlin. We also polished all the gears when it was converted to the 5 speed. I'm running a 632" big block and it dunked at 836 hp on the engine dyno and 625 at the rear wheels on the chassis dyno at Danzio.

Well...

Why not I have a H syncro pattern trans i can never put a TC behind it. So sure if that trans is rated for 1000 hp why not. Sell my trans and break even or close to it one way or the other. I am sure I could sell my trans. It is brand new front to back.

24mm

Go anywhere you want- the answer is Yes
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this case is stronger than the s4 case ? tim

Yes, it has more mass in the casting.

I think you would be crazy to trade an Albins for a S4D.
I know they SAY it will hold 1000HP but they also said their 2D would hold 500!!!
You know the Albins will hold it with no issues....is it really that hard to shift a H pattern???? But I see you would like a torque converter so that is another issue.

Actually they said it would hold 375 32 inch tire on it.

However most people though a 35 inch tire and 500+ horsepower was more on the ball and even then they have generally held.

Club HD4 here and lov'n it.