No Bad Days
Feb 13 2010, 12:32 PM
Hi Everyone,
I have an HID Light kit from Wheelie Bar that I want to install on a 2006 Raptor 700. Where is the best place to install the two silver, metal HID Boxes that come with the kit? Do I try to zip-tie them to the frame or do they bolt somewhere under the gas tank? There were no instructions, so any advice or pictures would be helpful. This system is just plug and play; right?? Thanks for your help.
Ocotillo Boy
Feb 13 2010, 12:50 PM
I would attach one to the thumb throttle and it would extend the thumb thingy and act as a "thumb saver".....
More leverage=less thumb pain
Ocotillo Boy
Feb 13 2010, 12:52 PM
Or if you don't like that idea you could bolt or cable tie them under the plastics in a secure location.
But......do not extend the wires whatever you do. Mount in a safe location with the wire length you have to play with.
No Bad Days
Feb 13 2010, 12:55 PM
QUOTE (Ocotillo Boy @ Feb 13 2010, 12:50 PM)

I would attach one to the thumb throttle and it would extend the thumb thingy and act as a "thumb saver".....
More leverage=less thumb pain

I want some of what you have been smokin (big smile)!!
No Bad Days
Feb 13 2010, 12:55 PM
QUOTE (Ocotillo Boy @ Feb 13 2010, 12:52 PM)

Or if you don't like that idea you could bolt or cable tie them under the plastics in a secure location.
But......do not extend the wires whatever you do. Mount in a safe location with the wire length you have to play with.

That sounds like a better idea!
Ocotillo Boy
Feb 13 2010, 12:59 PM
QUOTE (No Bad Days @ Feb 13 2010, 01:55 PM)

QUOTE (Ocotillo Boy @ Feb 13 2010, 12:50 PM)

I would attach one to the thumb throttle and it would extend the thumb thingy and act as a "thumb saver".....
More leverage=less thumb pain

I want some of what you have been smokin (big smile)!!

You mean you gave me all you had? You did not keep some for yourself???
feedmelies
Feb 14 2010, 11:36 PM
I zip tied mine to the frame on each side of the radiator, right under the plastics.
Wheelie Bar
Feb 15 2010, 12:17 AM
sorry man, I wish i had some install pics that Ive done....
Ive done it a couple different ways
sometimes it helps if you zip tie them together, then mount them to the front frame horn
whatever works out best for you
you can hide them pretty good up under the front hood
there is 19.5" of wire lead from the HID bulb to the ballast
and yes they are 1005 plug and play
call me or email if you need more help or install tips
KB-
Duneroller
Feb 15 2010, 10:36 AM
Hope this helps...
To the left is the headlight and on the right is the aluminum headlight bracket.
Click to view attachment
raspadoo
Feb 15 2010, 11:32 AM
QUOTE (Ocotillo Boy @ Feb 13 2010, 12:50 PM)

I would attach one to the thumb throttle and it would extend the thumb thingy and act as a "thumb saver".....
More leverage=less thumb pain

Rumor has it that it has a twist throttle
No Bad Days, how about a night-time before and after shot of the lighting
No Bad Days
Feb 15 2010, 08:37 PM
QUOTE (raspadoo @ Feb 15 2010, 11:32 AM)

QUOTE (Ocotillo Boy @ Feb 13 2010, 12:50 PM)

I would attach one to the thumb throttle and it would extend the thumb thingy and act as a "thumb saver".....
More leverage=less thumb pain

Rumor has it that it has a twist throttle
No Bad Days, how about a night-time before and after shot of the lighting

I got them installed and I cannot tell you how much brighter they are!!!! Wow, Wow, Wow! I can definitely say that they are worth every single penny and I would recommend installing these on every bike. I really took my time yesterday and took the front plastics off and did a clean installation job. I am super pleased with the amount of light and I would estimate that it is at least 5 or 6 times brighter. It was funny because when I cranked it up and turned the lights on out in the street after installing the HID's; it was so bright that a guy who was walking 5 houses down covered his eyes with his left arm.

Of course he was probably an 80 year old liberal, tree-hugger out for a quiet night walk, but still it gives you an idea of how bright they are. They are so bright that it is hard to look directly at them when they are on.
raptorrush
Feb 15 2010, 09:23 PM
I made 2 angle brackets that bolted into existing brackets under the tank, I used small screws to secure each unit. Each ballist has a backing plate to protect it and also deflect heat. Iam sorry to not provide a picture of this, cause my quad is stored at GDS. I dont believe there is a better or safer way to protect your investment. Given the amount of vibration and heat near this area, I think mounting them any other way is an invitation to disaster. I have had the same as you now for two trips, and at first, Iwas pretty stoked. The second trip, my left light cuts out intermittently. I took over 8 hours to do a flawless install, to include securing and taping the connections against vibration. After rechecking and rechecking connections for the last two trips, I decided Iam taking them off and going to something else.
hondajimz
Feb 15 2010, 09:23 PM
Did you get the slim or standard ballasts? We mount the slim ballasts under the seat and route wires out under the gas tank.
jwfab1
Feb 15 2010, 09:46 PM
QUOTE (raptorrush @ Feb 15 2010, 09:23 PM)

I made 2 angle brackets that bolted into existing brackets under the tank, I used small screws to secure each unit. Each ballist has a backing plate to protect it and also deflect heat. Iam sorry to not provide a picture of this, cause my quad is stored at GDS. I dont believe there is a better or safer way to protect your investment. Given the amount of vibration and heat near this area, I think mounting them any other way is an invitation to disaster. I have had the same as you now for two trips, and at first, Iwas pretty stoked. The second trip, my left light cuts out intermittently. I took over 8 hours to do a flawless install, to include securing and taping the connections against vibration. After rechecking and rechecking connections for the last two trips, I decided Iam taking them off and going to something else.
Oddly enough my left one starting cutting out intermittently also. So I unplugged the connections, blew them out, plugged them back in, and haven't a problem yet.
No Bad Days
Feb 15 2010, 09:46 PM
QUOTE (raptorrush @ Feb 15 2010, 09:23 PM)

I made 2 angle brackets that bolted into existing brackets under the tank, I used small screws to secure each unit. Each ballist has a backing plate to protect it and also deflect heat. Iam sorry to not provide a picture of this, cause my quad is stored at GDS. I dont believe there is a better or safer way to protect your investment. Given the amount of vibration and heat near this area, I think mounting them any other way is an invitation to disaster. I have had the same as you now for two trips, and at first, Iwas pretty stoked. The second trip, my left light cuts out intermittently. I took over 8 hours to do a flawless install, to include securing and taping the connections against vibration. After rechecking and rechecking connections for the last two trips, I decided Iam taking them off and going to something else.
I hope I don't have those type of intermittent lighting problems, although both lights will not currently stay fully on, unless the engine is running. When I turn the HID's on, without the engine running, they each flicker randomly, back and forth and will go off and on at completely random times. I thought I had a low battery, although they both continued to do this, even with a full battery charge and the battery on a battery tender. I did not seem to have any problems though with the HID lights burning full strength, when the engine was running. I ran my Raptor up and down the street with the lights on and did not note any problems while the engine was running. I PMed Wheelie Bar and he said the flickering could be because of a grounding issue? I will let you know the first time I take it out how it works and I hope I do not have any problems as I too, took over 6 or 7 hours to install them.
No Bad Days
Feb 15 2010, 09:50 PM
QUOTE (jwfab1 @ Feb 15 2010, 09:46 PM)

QUOTE (raptorrush @ Feb 15 2010, 09:23 PM)

I made 2 angle brackets that bolted into existing brackets under the tank, I used small screws to secure each unit. Each ballist has a backing plate to protect it and also deflect heat. Iam sorry to not provide a picture of this, cause my quad is stored at GDS. I dont believe there is a better or safer way to protect your investment. Given the amount of vibration and heat near this area, I think mounting them any other way is an invitation to disaster. I have had the same as you now for two trips, and at first, Iwas pretty stoked. The second trip, my left light cuts out intermittently. I took over 8 hours to do a flawless install, to include securing and taping the connections against vibration. After rechecking and rechecking connections for the last two trips, I decided Iam taking them off and going to something else.
Oddly enough my left one starting cutting out intermittently also. So I unplugged the connections, blew them out, plugged them back in, and haven't a problem yet.
Do your lights cut out when the engine is running or only when the engine is not running? Mine only cut out when the engine is off. Both lights cut on and off at random times when the engine is not running. I noted no problems though the engine was running. I thoroughly cleaned all connections with an electrical cleaner and an air hose before connecting the new HID's to my Raptor.
raptorrush
Feb 15 2010, 09:56 PM
My problem is, is that I secured the connectors so well, and tucked them away from anything, I have to remove the plastics to get to them. I only turn them on when the quad is running to support that initial draw of voltage to kick them on. I did check the bulb connection and that actually helped for awhile. Note, I also modified the dust boot to recieve and protect the bulbs, to include silicone to seal off 100%. Iam going to a bar mount set up now, and I also use a helmet hid from cyclops. Love it..
No Bad Days
Feb 15 2010, 10:05 PM
QUOTE (raptorrush @ Feb 15 2010, 09:56 PM)

My problem is, is that I secured the connectors so well, and tucked them away from anything, I have to remove the plastics to get to them. I only turn them on when the quad is running to support that initial draw of voltage to kick them on. I did check the bulb connection and that actually helped for awhile. Note, I also modified the dust boot to recieve and protect the bulbs, to include silicone to seal off 100%. Iam going to a bar mount set up now, and I also use a helmet hid from cyclops. Love it..
I too modified my original dust boot to help protect the new HID wires. I double checked my connections and do not think the flickering is caused by a bad or poor connection. I think the HID's are pulling too much power from the battery when the engine is not running and this is why they light up and then turn off intermittently. When my Raptor engine is running, I do not seem to have a problem. Let's just hope it keeps working good when I take it out on a night run!
hondajimz
Feb 15 2010, 10:09 PM
The symptoms you describe are not due to a connection issue. These are common symptoms with Raptors and HID lights. The reason the lights are flickering and shutting off/on are because the ballasts are designed to shut off when detecting low voltage. I usually sell my Raptor kits with a relayed wire harness. This pulls the power to ignite the bulbs straight off the battery. The harness also is thicker guage wire and designed to handle the heat and the current better than the stock wiring. Ask Wheelie Bar for a relay harness. If you want to fully eliminate the issues, I would recommend a stator upgrade. Hope this helps a little.
raptorrush
Feb 15 2010, 10:43 PM
Thanks hondajimz, The there is nobody making a larger stator for the raptor 700. But when you purchase a so called plug and play unit, one would think that it should not have that problem. Note too, there is no other draw issues with this set up. I don't have any other electronics tied into it. I agree, I purchased a universal hid harness that does run off the battery, and a separate toggle. I think thats the next go with the other HID'S I have now, yet to mount.
jwfab1
Feb 16 2010, 05:49 AM
QUOTE (No Bad Days @ Feb 15 2010, 09:50 PM)

Do your lights cut out when the engine is running or only when the engine is not running? Mine only cut out when the engine is off. Both lights cut on and off at random times when the engine is not running. I noted no problems though the engine was running. I thoroughly cleaned all connections with an electrical cleaner and an air hose before connecting the new HID's to my Raptor.
Mine were cutting out while riding. I have a YFZ450 with a Ricky Stator, so power shouldn't be an issue, now. Before adding the stator, my battery would drain within 30-45 minutes of riding. When the voltage got low enough, one light would go out and my bike would start to miss like I was running out of gas. At this point there wasn't enough juice to start my bike.
No Bad Days
Feb 16 2010, 05:52 PM
QUOTE (jwfab1 @ Feb 16 2010, 05:49 AM)

QUOTE (No Bad Days @ Feb 15 2010, 09:50 PM)

Do your lights cut out when the engine is running or only when the engine is not running? Mine only cut out when the engine is off. Both lights cut on and off at random times when the engine is not running. I noted no problems though the engine was running. I thoroughly cleaned all connections with an electrical cleaner and an air hose before connecting the new HID's to my Raptor.
Mine were cutting out while riding. I have a YFZ450 with a Ricky Stator, so power shouldn't be an issue, now. Before adding the stator, my battery would drain within 30-45 minutes of riding. When the voltage got low enough, one light would go out and my bike would start to miss like I was running out of gas. At this point there wasn't enough juice to start my bike.
Uh, Oh JWFab, I hope that doesn't happen to me. I am taking my Raptor out and letting it run in the driveway right now; with the lights on. I'll let you know what happens. This whole HID business is like marriage; they never tell you all the things that can go wrong until you get right in the middle of it; and then once you are in the middle of it, no one can afford to get out!! YIKES!
Wheelie Bar
Feb 16 2010, 06:02 PM
QUOTE (No Bad Days @ Feb 16 2010, 05:52 PM)

QUOTE (jwfab1 @ Feb 16 2010, 05:49 AM)

QUOTE (No Bad Days @ Feb 15 2010, 09:50 PM)

Do your lights cut out when the engine is running or only when the engine is not running? Mine only cut out when the engine is off. Both lights cut on and off at random times when the engine is not running. I noted no problems though the engine was running. I thoroughly cleaned all connections with an electrical cleaner and an air hose before connecting the new HID's to my Raptor.
Mine were cutting out while riding. I have a YFZ450 with a Ricky Stator, so power shouldn't be an issue, now. Before adding the stator, my battery would drain within 30-45 minutes of riding. When the voltage got low enough, one light would go out and my bike would start to miss like I was running out of gas. At this point there wasn't enough juice to start my bike.
Uh, Oh JWFab, I hope that doesn't happen to me. I am taking my Raptor out and letting it run in the driveway right now; with the lights on. I'll let you know what happens. This whole HID business is like marriage; they never tell you all the things that can go wrong until you get right in the middle of it; and then once you are in the middle of it, no one can afford to get out!! YIKES!

dont worry bro!
the 450s are a WHOLE different story! those are the quads that have nightmares!
the stronger, and cleaner the (ground),, the better they fire off!
I think a Relay is just a waste, you don't really need them
a 18 gauge wire will support these HID systems
I will work with you until you are happy
KB-
No Bad Days
Feb 16 2010, 07:32 PM
QUOTE (Wheelie Bar @ Feb 16 2010, 06:02 PM)

QUOTE (No Bad Days @ Feb 16 2010, 05:52 PM)

QUOTE (jwfab1 @ Feb 16 2010, 05:49 AM)

QUOTE (No Bad Days @ Feb 15 2010, 09:50 PM)

Do your lights cut out when the engine is running or only when the engine is not running? Mine only cut out when the engine is off. Both lights cut on and off at random times when the engine is not running. I noted no problems though the engine was running. I thoroughly cleaned all connections with an electrical cleaner and an air hose before connecting the new HID's to my Raptor.
Mine were cutting out while riding. I have a YFZ450 with a Ricky Stator, so power shouldn't be an issue, now. Before adding the stator, my battery would drain within 30-45 minutes of riding. When the voltage got low enough, one light would go out and my bike would start to miss like I was running out of gas. At this point there wasn't enough juice to start my bike.
Uh, Oh JWFab, I hope that doesn't happen to me. I am taking my Raptor out and letting it run in the driveway right now; with the lights on. I'll let you know what happens. This whole HID business is like marriage; they never tell you all the things that can go wrong until you get right in the middle of it; and then once you are in the middle of it, no one can afford to get out!! YIKES!

dont worry bro!
the 450s are a WHOLE different story! those are the quads that have nightmares!
the stronger, and cleaner the (ground),, the better they fire off!
I think a Relay is just a waste, you don't really need them
a 18 gauge wire will support these HID systems
I will work with you until you are happy
KB-
Thanks Kyle! That's what I call great customer service! I totally appreciate it and just got back from running my quad in the driveway for about 15 minutes with the HID's on. Both HID's lit up nicely and had a steady light the whole time the engine was running. If I left the lights on and turned the engine off; the HID's would stay constantly lit for about 3 to 4 minutes and then one of them would flicker and then cut off. The remaining light would stay on for quite a while longer. I did not, however, have any problem starting the engine after leaving the lights on for at least 5 minutes. I plan on taking it out to El Mirage in a few weeks and will run the HID's for a longer time to check them out while I am riding. Again, a BIG THANK YOU for giving such great customer service!!

PS: I had a 450 quad and I know the electrical systems on those quads was not really as good as it should be. My stock lights on my 450 would flicker while it was idling. I am hopeful the Raptor 700 has a better electrical system.
hondajimz
Feb 16 2010, 08:08 PM
You will not have to worry about running your lights and draining your battery as long as the quad is running. The stator will continue to keep the battery charged. The YFZ 450 is another story as the stator will not keep up with the current draw from HID's and the battery will eventually drain.
I only recommended running the system through a relay based on my experience with selling these kits. The relay helps minimize the strobe effect during the start up. Beleive me, once you get used to the minor issues, you will never trade your HID's for stock lighting.
jwfab1
Feb 16 2010, 08:26 PM
No Bad Days, check the voltage at the battery at mid RPM. You should have around 13.4v, + or - .2v, if so, your good.
The YFZ's have a horrible charging system, and no kick start! Luckily mine died pulling into camp, so no big deal.
Don't worry, Kyle take's care of his customers.
No Bad Days
Feb 20 2010, 09:45 AM
I ran my Raptor the other night with the HID's on, for about 30 minutes, and the lights were bright and worked perfectly. I will know more when I take it out on the first trip and will keep you posted. I cannot believe how bright these HID's are! I would call them painfully bright as they are hard to even look at when you are standing in front of them. Thanks again to Raspadoo and KB Customs/Wheelie Bar for hooking me up!
Wheelie Bar
Feb 20 2010, 09:49 AM
glad this all worked out!
now go get your SHINE ON!!!
i cant wait until you see the LIGHT
KB-
No Bad Days
Feb 21 2010, 01:30 PM
QUOTE (Wheelie Bar @ Feb 20 2010, 09:49 AM)

glad this all worked out!
now go get your SHINE ON!!!
i cant wait until you see the LIGHT
KB-
"Shine it up good, kickin through my neighborhood
Motorola phone, fat rims and a Kenwood
Quick to get around it, and then i'll have it drop
Simply cause I'm ridin people think I'm sellin rocks...."
Thanks Again KB for the great customer service! These HID lights are really that great.
feedmelies
Feb 21 2010, 05:13 PM
Night rides are so much fun with tons of light...
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