Sleepin with the debil...

Edited 'cause I see the word compromise...

I'm wondering if the sand community was contacted (ASA) or they contacted the Senator's staff during the forumlation of this proposal?

I'm also wondering if ORBA contacted ASA and asked them to be involved?

Ha ha ha ha ha, thats where the compromise bites us in the a$$

Please elaborate here.

In the proposed Wilderness areas the Senator’s staff worked with many individuals and OHV organizations to come to a compromise on excluding some of the high value trails. This was done to save them for future access.


Im gonna get hammered, but here goes... ASA has proven to be reactive. When the time comes for Feinstein to need votes, the "compromise" areas will become targets. Since it doesnt seem like ASA is involved here, guess what areas may end up to be compromised?

Again, just my feeble opinion, not slamming the efforts of the people at ASA, just the direction that has been taken.

How long is Permanent?

Knowing how we got effed in the past, the gov probably has a definition for it somewhere.
probably 25 years.

Hammered? Why? You are just stating the facts that we have seen in the past 10 years or so.

Better protection might also increase the number of National Forest Service rangers patrolling the area to clamp down on off-roaders in the Big Morongo area, Zeller said.

http://www.mydesert.com/article/20100202/N...-beauty--growth

Seems like somebody is starting to run for re-election. What better way to secure your job than give a carrot to the Sheople who would more than likely vote aginst you in the next up comming election.

not one bill, in original form, ever passes the way it is. They always get "modified"

look for the off road community to get "cornholed" yet again

I don't trust that beeeeyotch 1 iota

Ding Ding Ding. We have a winner. She knows shes as effed as the other dems- better look for fresh voters...

I think this is just a precurser... they are lubing us up before they pull the rug out from under us and take 187,000 acres in Johnson Valley to increase the size of a very large Marine Base known as Twentynine Palms. This will eliminate many world known rock trails for the rock crawling crowds.

I think this Bill is a good thing... for now. But I am very skeptical. "Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes" Feinstein is known to take our lands and lock them up so no one can use them... so when they offer a deal its usually because they are gaining something on the backside or they are about to gain or take something because of the transaction. Time will tell.

Dont care who supports this bill or not, she will not be getting my vote!

Thats the whole point of this bill right there...

The ASA is focused on Glamis. You are well aware of this fact!

Unless they wanted to put renewable energy out in the dunes, there is no reason to get them involved. The whole point of this thing is to get renewable energy locations locked in. Making permanent off-road locations, was prolly the comprimise they had to make. IMHO, the off-roaders got lucky this time...

Why?
From what I can see, this legislation impacts the ‘hard pack’ riding areas of California. I didn’t know that was ASA’s responsibility too.

I would think, Duck, that you’d be asking what is CORVA’s involvement in and support of this legislation.


I respect ORBA and District 37. So I have some faith that this bill isn’t another major screwing of the OHV community. OTOH, I’d be just as pleased if this bill never passed. As far as I’m concerned, we already have enough ‘Wilderness Area’ and ‘Preserved Areas’ in this country.

Also agree with Mr. Cheese and Havaduner. The….um…lady will not get my vote, ever. She’s one of the worst things that has happened to this state and country.

What is CORVA's stance on this?


ORBA and D37 have our intrests in mind....No doubt there.

Two reasons here.

1. There is lands in this bill that are in Imperial County that are affected.

2. Seems to me that D-37 is attempting to gain a Congressional designation of the open areas of the more northern desert that may prove to eliminate lawsuits to close them down and I'm thinking this may be an idea to once-and-for-all resolve the issues at the ISDRA.

After all, we are very close to ten years with the closures and no resolution has been achieved.

How many dollars have been thrown at the ISDRA and the fact of the matter is that nothing has really changed since the Order of the Court?

Not sure if it's the same bill, but I heard there is a bill with similar language threatening oil reserves.

Yeah we need more of that don't we?

I don't know what the involvement is/was on this and any position on the proposal. I don't communicate with the new administration to any degree.

From my perspective, CORVA has put their emphasis more on the Forest Planning process in nothern California in the past two years or so.

Some here are pointing to this legislation as an attempt for election purposes.

I don't see it that way. Di Fi is not running for office this year that I'm aware of.

From what can see this bill has to do with the vast amount of energy applications BLM has received (in the CDCA) and the potential to site some of these on former Catellus lands that were acquired by conservency groups post California Desert Protection Act (1994).

why cant we get theses damn tree huggers out of office.. all they do is cause me and everyone trouble.

I guess I just see it as if Feinstein is giving the OHV community a big hug, you better be watching out for the ice pick in the back at the same time.

It all comes down to well do you trust Feinstein or not, going back to my NRA days I spent too many years waking up screaming with her leading the charge agisnt us to ever do that, perhaps D37 and ORBA mean well but I'll never trust Feinstein...TJ

this is exactly why i wont join any of these orginazations. we as an off road community need 1 large speacial intrest group. to fight the sierra club and these congressional land closers.

i think comprimising will wind up with a shot in offroadings arse. again...............................................

Subject: S2921 - Cal4wdc Position


From Cal 4 Wheel:

S2921 The California Desert Protection Act of 2010 ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___ ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ The California Association of Four Wheel Drive Clubs, Inc. is the largest 4WD organization in the state of California representing over 8,000 family members. CA4WDC works to maintain access to public lands and promotes responsible use of those lands. CA4WDC is based in Sacramento and has three districts to serve the state. CA4WDC was founded in 1959 and has over 50 years of service to the OHV community. 8120 36th Avenue Sacramento, CA 95824-2304 (800) 4x4-Funn www.cal4wheel. com

Issue:

If enacted the California Desert Protection Act of 2010 (S2921) will:

• Create the Mojave Trails National Monument containing ~941,000 acres.

• Create the Sand to Snow National Monument containing ~134,000 acres.

• Set aside a minimum of 200,000 acres as "mitigation lands" to provide for alternative energy projects. This will likely exclude recreation in these areas.

• Add ~90,000 acres to Death Valley National Park

• Create new wilderness areas totaling ~300,000 acres in BLM, USFS, and NPS managed Lands

• NOT protect Johnson Valley from the Marine Corps expansion.

　

This bill WILL have an adverse effect on recreation opportunities and public access in California. Access for mining, recreation, and other uses will be curtailed. While not yet fully understood, it is believed that at least 400 miles of roads in the new wilderness areas and monuments will be closed.

Supporters of the bill state that Rasor OHV Area, Stoddard Wells OHV Area, El Mirage OHV Area, Spangler Hills OHV Area, and a portion of the Johnson Valley OHV Area are all slated to receive a congressional designation as OHV areas. It can be argued as to what this means as these areas are already OHV areas, and there is no guarantee that they will remain open and unaffected. There is also no compensation for the areas that will be closed.

CA4WDC Position:

The California Association of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs is OPPOSED to S2921 in its present form. We oppose legislation that restricts the public’s access to public lands. We oppose the creation of new wilderness areas and National Monuments that withdraw lands from public access and close existing routes. We oppose the creation of new wilderness areas that do not meet the standards of the Wilderness Act of 1964, which established the National Wilderness Preservation System. We also oppose legislation that attempts to indiscriminately close any area or route of travel without verification of the economic impact to the area.

Contacts / Additional information:

Harry Baker Robert Reed

(818)705-3930 (925)784-4702

bakerhab@aol. com robertreed5@ comcast.net



Terry Work - President
Point Mugu 4x4
tpwork@yahoo. com
No To S2921







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