Twin turbo big car+16 year old driver+putting his buddy in the car with him to run up and down Olds + no helmets = stupid.



Count me and everyone we camp with into that 10%. Never understood riding in an environment like this without a helmet, especially since 99.9999999999% of the buggies out there don't have SFI padding on the cage either.



Doesn't that hurt...

What a piece of crap car. To have the roof cave in and fall apart like that on a role. Im sure we wasnt doing 100mph.
That father learned a lesson the hard way. Just plain stupid.

another example of the need for helmets, and X bracing in the roof would have helped stop the light bar also.

I drove a 9 Sec Pro Gas Car at 17.....Just sayin

x-2 I was driving my uncles race car at 15....

Sometimes your the bull and sometimes you get the horn...... Everbody crashes and when you do hopefully two things happen.
1. Nobody gets hurt
2. Nobody gets a bunch of pictures so they can post them up for all the arm chair monday morning quarterbacks to critique.

I did see it happen, we were coming down Olds, and about got run over by this rail as it started to turn and wheelie across the hill. THere were alot of people there at the hill for an off weekend and this was not the time to take the hill sideways. Everybody was very lucky that others going up and down the hill didnt get hit also.

I have to agree. The two times I have been to Glamis I have witnessed 2 deaths, both first time duners in the dunes for less than 24 hours. In addition, there was a video of some well known driver ( not mentioning names ) literally running people off Olds hill and people were commenting on youtube that he was great and it was funny.

Sorry, but someone of that ability consciously driving like that is unacceptable and for people to encourage him is beyond belief.

I do not care about the age of drivers, I have seen grown men stumbling drunk driving a rail on halloween weekend. NO booze and cruise for me.

Ouch.

Glad nobody was seriously hurt. Kid was lucky.



How times have changed.

20 years ago on the biggest of all weekends like Thanksgiving and such..
Everyone would run up and down the Hill on whatever they had....and it was packed!
I'd ride my ATC110 and ATC200 up Comp and it took a good while to do it in knobbies...
There seemed to be only a few accidents a year vs per weekend.

Where people any smarter back then? NO.
The cars were simply less capable then today.

I'd have plenty of time to move outta the way of that supped-up 1915 Beam Travel Buggy.



Oh well....

We just found video of the wreck.


http://www.spike.com/video/14-year-old-crashes/2784932



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I just don't understand why so many people - buggies - want to cut across Olds sideways? Too many people going up and down to do thatsafely at ANY time IMHO! Have seen several near misses (including the "famous" unnamed driver previously mentioned) and a few crashes!

Age is not the issue, maturity and experience is.

It is not likely that 16 year old possesses the maturity and experience to operate such a machine, but it is possible. Conversely, (as stated before in this thread) there are plenty of 45 year olds that do not possess the maturity and/or experience required to operate such a machine.

This is my first sand car, but I've been duning for 25 years in Glamis. Age isn't really the issue.

abc

With age comes wisdom and experience, but stupid has no age limit.

the reason the roof caved in too, was there is no x bracing in the roof poor design

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[/quote]I know I'm one of the 10% (maybe) that wears a helmet (I know TNTDuner does) in the sand car, pretty much each ride. Ever see the thread with the rolled Buckshot where the dude had a dozen staples in his head when the shocks exploaded.. [/quote]

[/quote] Get the helmet. abc[/quote]

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Count me and everyone we camp with into that 10%. Never understood riding in an environment like this without a helmet, especially since 99.9999999999% of the buggies out there don't have SFI padding on the cage either.
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The quest to have everyone wear a helmet is made more difficult when you see Professional Race Car Drivers like Paul Tracy & Casey Mears (whom both stand to loose millions of dollars in potential income if they were to get seriously hurt) running the Drags at 100mph plus speeds not wearing a helmet and not requiring their passengers to wear a helmet.
These are very experienced and life long racers and have witnessed many times what can and does happen in an accident.

I overheard a kid tell his dad at the drags last year..."see Tracy doesn't wear a helmet"......Dad replied sternly "Tracy's not your dad"

Does this drive anyone else crazy when they see this??

Some of you guys with the hanging billet headset holders should consider what would happen in a similar rollover. There was a Mosebilt car that rolled a bunch of times at Dumont last year, and the headset holder got pushed very near the heads of the occupants.

I overheard a kid tell his dad at the drags last year..."see Tracy doesn't wear a helmet"......Dad replied sternly "Tracy's not your dad"

Does this drive anyone else crazy when they see this??

Risk/reward is how many of those life long racers achieved their status. However, I don't see why they wouldn't wear a helmet. Especially cause they've all crashed (with superior protective equipment).

I agree, odd. Maybe we should ask them when we're out there?

abc

awesome quote from that dad... love it. I give some of the same reasoning to my kids too.

Wow, someone did something stupid at Olds. I hope they read this thread so daddy won't let his kid do that again. BTW, everyone on here picked the winning team in the Superbowl the day after it was played...

I don't know if this was mentioned but....driving in WET SAND is a whole nother ball game...buggies handle different and anyone driving or letting someone drive their buggy should give that info.

FWIW I think letting a 16 year old, wheelie a twin turbo, long travel car across Olds is a bad idea 7 days a week.

Agreed. I think going to Olds is a bad idea 7 days a week, kind of like a sightseeing trip to Compton...

No kidding, I can definitely tell the difference. Presidents wasn't too bad, just felt like really soft sand. This last weekend it was kinda just weird.

well , i cant disagree with you . i should be wearing a helmet at the drags

Video just put up on Youtube......

VIDEO - CLICK HERE

There are a LOT of fine upstanding adults with common sense that DON't wear helmets either. I was one of them, Ive owned 3 different buggies and I never thought I'd need a helmet. But when you hit speeds like the cars do nowadays, you just never know. If I ever have another sand car, I will definitely wear a Brain Bucket.

100k+ rail.......a roll over valve is worth the extra $$, just sayin.


Hope the guy heals up OK...

Helmets are now a requirement for under 18 years old in a sand car in Oregon ......

Slippery slope. I can't believe I survived growing up riding in the back of pickup trucks, not wearing seat belts and chowing down at McDonald's. Not to mention riding double on an air cooled ATC 250R in flip flops without a helmet all over Glamis, guess I'm just lucky...

Im so sick of seeing that video.....I was going to let my 10 year old drive our new Tatum and do a whellie I guess not now......

That would be great Paul.......kids and adults do see you as a role model behind the wheel.

I'm glad you guys never saw some of the stuff I did at 16. Ha ha ha. Of course I was riding a atc70 at a little over 2 years old. Most would frown on that now days too. The dunes are a different animal now. Common sense has been absent for a while.

It will be passed in Cali also some day..........................................of course there will be people from other states that blame all of this on the politics of Kalifornia, I would bet it would be some of the same people that have posted on this thread about wearing helmets?

FYI, not the first light bar I have seen come crashing down thru the roof, also not the first DTD to see on it's lid.

I think common sense is at roughly the same level it's always been. What's changed is the spreading of information and our newly acquired attitude of "it's not your fault". How many of us would have heard of the car that rolled much less seen pictures of it 20 years ago? How many people involved in off road accidents thirty years ago tried to sue either the person driving or the manufacturer of the vehicle?
It seems that in the last 20 years or so we have created a race of self righteous super beings who have no doubt that when something bad happens somebody or something else is responsible. Buy a new quad, it looks like a gang of sticker taggers wrapped in caution tape had at it. A cup of coffee at McDonald's, hell it's not our fault if we shoot someone because we chowed down 25 Twinkies prior to pulling the trigger.
People are going to die or get seriously effed up in this sport, some from a lack of judgment and some from a perfect storm of variables coming together, all we can do is keep our machines up and be aware of our surroundings.

Lets keep the laws in the court and the common sense in the dunes. WE DO NOT NEED ANY MORE RULES out in the desert. The land of the free....

Why do you alwyas use that common sense approach, it will get you in trouble some day couldn't agree more

Damn, sorry for the rant, I thought this was the thread about the defective condoms...

i was telling supreme aaron today . when he asked why i dont wear a helmet . i have tons of racing helmets , but dont have one that will work with the radio systems the sandcar vs a race car . poor exuse but i usualy have a guy radioing me when the drags are fairly clear

Pretty easy to wire up an existing helmet. My buddy did it to a couple of his...all people ride with helmets now in his car.

db

Pete,
Take one of your old race helmets and pull the IMSA spec radio kit out of it and replace it with a Nexus kit. They are $75 to $90 and will plug in to your current set up for headsets. You can have speakers, just earphones like you use in the race car, or a combo of both. The combo is what I use.

For the rest of you, I was asked by members here to do a helmet buy. I was surprised after the initial 25 PM's I got, no one bought one. This is just another story that keeps repeating itself. Every time a head injury occurs, you guys all say you want helmets, but never do it.

I can't tell you how many times I have heard "Wow, helmets are so expensive". That is BS!!!! How much money do you have into that car or even the trick wheels or paint? Go without one piece of Bling to maybe save your life.

You can buy a cheap helmet and wire it for your existing intercom or you can buy a $900 HJC. We just wired 2 Bells that a guy bought at Wal Mart for $90. It at least is better then nothing. I am not pimping this to make money. I just want you to be safe.......

Here is a link to the helmet thread. We even have them for your kids: TSL Helmet info

And like I said. Even if you do not buy an SA rated race helmet, go buy an inexpensive M rated helmet at your favorite shop, or where you think is the best deal. We can then set it up for comms. You can do it for under $200!!!!

Scott

scot explain what m rated and sa rated mean , i am familiar with dot and snell . i have never even heard of them . any other helmet info would be great also . i just bought a new helmet for the dunes and just got snell and dot and wired it myself . tim

What are the differences between the SA, M and K standards?
The SA standard was designed for competitive auto racing while M standard was for motorcycling and other motorsports. The K standard was released to accommodate helmets used in karting. There are three major differences between them:
The SA standard requires flammability test while the M and K standards do not.
The SA and K standards allow for a narrower visual field than M standard (Some SA and K certified helmets may not be street legal).
The SA and K standards include a rollbar multi impact test while M standard does not.



BTW Everyone has been wearing helmets in my car for years. I just wear my Motorcycle helmet. Not SA rated but I feel the odds are still way in my favor.

I'm really happy the two young men are ok... What I don't understand is why they wheren't wearing there HELMETS?
So many head injuries could be avoided... Go figure.

Good info onanysunday..... The easiest way to quickly describe it is M rated helmets are designed to withstand a motorcycle type crash. Usually this includes one big hit followed by a slide or skid. The integrity and energy dissipation is designed to withstand a motorcycle cash.

An SA rating helmet is designed to withstand multiple strikes and maintain its integrity. Like hitting a roll bar multiple times. The tighter tolerance and smaller openings allow for a higher impact rating. As mentioned they must also have a certain level of flame resistance.



Snell SA Rated Helmets:
Snell "SA" (Sports Application) rated professional helmets are designed for auto racing and provide extreme impact resistance and higher fire protection.

Snell M Rated Helmets:
Snell "M" (Motorcycle) rated helmets are designed for motorcycling and other motor sports. They offer slightly less protection than SA rated helmets.

That, and the fact that there is SOOOOOOOOOOOO much more HP now!!! Even Scott said something about less accidents back in the "old" days. We all need to be much more carefull these days. Thats one hell of a hard lesson to learn...

ed zachary

spent all their money on a fancy car, but wont chump a few bills for a nice skid lid. amazing isnt it? 200k+ sand rails and people buy, if they buy one, a 40 dollar red chinese helmet from a swap meet.

Depends on the driver and the experience. Kids his age and younger are doing a lot more dangerous things in sports these day (have you seen the jumps the 12 and 13 year olds are doing on dirt bikes?), I believe Pastrana jumped his parents house younger than that. I'm sure the kid was pretty experienced with the rail for his dad to be let him doing it in the first place. I've seen a lot older drivers wreck doing the same thing. Doesn't necessarily mean they ran out of talent, sometimes it just means sh*t happens sometimes...

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I believe Pastrana jumped his parents house younger than that.

Doesn't necessarily mean they ran out of talent, sometimes it just means sh*t happens sometimes...
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I'm sure Pastrana was wearing a helmet.......actually never seen him do a stunt without one

You're right sometimes sh*t does happen.......a great argument for always wearing a helmet

Actually, unless your wearing a neck support with that helmet, you could cause more damage than good in a vehicle where your body is strapped in securely. The extra weight of the helmet on a head that is getting thrown around like a rag doll in a accident is enough to do some serious damage to your neck. Nascar drivers run hans device.......


And which would you prefere, your kid jumping your house on a dirtbike wearing a helmet, or you kid to do a wheelie in a fully caged vehicle in the sand going slower?

In my opinion, the passenger that got his head bashed open was not because he hit his head in a roll, but because the design of that lightbar was un nsafe. The driver walked away with out a scratch. I can't tell you how many times i've told people to design their lightbar so not to interfere with the integrity of the roll cage. I've seen roof tubes caved in over 10" because of improper lightbar mounts.

Sure, he prob. would have been fine if he was wearing a helmet, but it was still a design flaw that caused the injury......IMO