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SVrider
When I go off road at Ocotillo Wells, I remove the spring arms on my toyhauler as soon as get off the paved road. I have the 12k lbs. Equalizer hitch. I have to stop, jack up the tongue, remove the spring arms, lower tongue and continue off road.

Buddy I go camping with does this as well since I told him it was recommended by trailer mfg. I don't think I have seen anybody else doing this and I look for it when I see someone drive offroad.

Does anybody do this? If not, why not? Just curious about this

Thanks,
Sal
ANGELMONEY
Yes you are supposed to.
1slomofo
I have honestly heard both arguments...

I also have the 12k Equal-i-zer hitch and have left them ON for 3 seasons now...

i pull and camp off of oldsmobile road, massive rollers up and down up and down for about 1.5 miles into the dunes.... i have noticed my hitch pin hole in the receiver has ovaled slightly, but im not sure if the load bars would have changed that or not....
hondajimz
I am fairly new to the whole toyhauler / truck world and have never done this, much less knew it was recommended. What is the reason behind it? Thanks,

Jim
your basic sandrail
Yes... always.
virginsand
I have 1200lb bars and never undo them. So far no breaks.
rivermobster
QUOTE (hondajimz @ Feb 22 2010, 09:26 PM) *
I am fairly new to the whole toyhauler / truck world and have never done this, much less knew it was recommended. What is the reason behind it? Thanks,

Jim



they say a picture says a thousand words...
rivermobster
i pull mine off every time.
Duneroller
I don't, but we stay in the pound (not far off the pavement) and I am the guy creeping along at 5 mph that everyone is hauling azz around.
brycerudd

I make mine two chain links longer. If I leave them, the back of the truck chatters and jumps when I get into a soft spot if I take them off completely it seems like the rear wheels are sinking allot more.
So two links less was the best of both worlds for me. Still some weight on the tongue but not enough to pull the truck down into the sand.
justdirt
Just think about how they work I'd take them off
krustyone
I think the main reason they tell you to disconnect them is that the force of the spring bars could bend the trailer tongue if the angle between the truck and trailer becomes too great. Another thing to consider is the hitch rating, which is normally half the weight capacity without the bars attached. So, with bars, it will handle 1200 lb tongue weight, and without bars it is only rated for 600. So, it boils down to bending the hitch or bending the tongue. Pick one. Hitch is probably cheaper to fix, unless of course like Rivermobsters truck shows, the frame on the truck has also bent, which is probably fairly likely. Come to think of it, you could probably bend the truck frame as well with the bars attached, but it seems less likely given the direction of the forces on the truck ....
Timmay
I don't, but I drive really freakin slow.
Mongo
Ive seen pics of trailers with the tongues bent or snapped off on wash road. I never pulled my old ones because I didnt know better.

I would pull them...
RRon3
I always take mine off, of course most of the time I am just towing from GDS so I just don't put them on.
Emanon
I don't and have never seen anyone taking theirs off.
rivermobster
QUOTE (krustyone @ Feb 23 2010, 10:13 AM) *
I think the main reason they tell you to disconnect them is that the force of the spring bars could bend the trailer tongue if the angle between the truck and trailer becomes too great. Another thing to consider is the hitch rating, which is normally half the weight capacity without the bars attached. So, with bars, it will handle 1200 lb tongue weight, and without bars it is only rated for 600. So, it boils down to bending the hitch or bending the tongue. Pick one. Hitch is probably cheaper to fix, unless of course like Rivermobsters truck shows, the frame on the truck has also bent, which is probably fairly likely. Come to think of it, you could probably bend the truck frame as well with the bars attached, but it seems less likely given the direction of the forces on the truck ....



hold on there cowboy, that aint MY truck!!! it does belong to a board memeber here, and it is (of course) a chevy truck!!! laughing.gif

he learned his lesson, and allowed me to share the pic. he pulls his bars every time now, and it hasnt happend again.
MossLager
I used to but stopped out of pure laziness. I usually don't boon dock the truck over big whoops but if I did I would still pull them. I also keep my bars parallel with the frame of the trailer which is the proper method. I notice others many times crank the sh!t outta the bars where they point upwards and not parallel to the trailer frame which is way to much tension.
ElCaminoManT
in the 2 years i had my warrior, i never pulled the bars. 99% of my camping was in the washes. dunno.gif i have a 5th wheel now

QUOTE (rivermobster @ Feb 23 2010, 11:44 AM) *
QUOTE (krustyone @ Feb 23 2010, 10:13 AM) *
I think the main reason they tell you to disconnect them is that the force of the spring bars could bend the trailer tongue if the angle between the truck and trailer becomes too great. Another thing to consider is the hitch rating, which is normally half the weight capacity without the bars attached. So, with bars, it will handle 1200 lb tongue weight, and without bars it is only rated for 600. So, it boils down to bending the hitch or bending the tongue. Pick one. Hitch is probably cheaper to fix, unless of course like Rivermobsters truck shows, the frame on the truck has also bent, which is probably fairly likely. Come to think of it, you could probably bend the truck frame as well with the bars attached, but it seems less likely given the direction of the forces on the truck ....



hold on there cowboy, that aint MY truck!!! it does belong to a board memeber here, and it is (of course) a chevy truck!!! laughing.gif

he learned his lesson, and allowed me to share the pic. he pulls his bars every time now, and it hasnt happend again.


k hold on a min, watch your chevy comments there joe, thats not cool wife.gif that hitch that mike had on his truck was a pile of chit, numerous people on other boards have had big issues with the same brand hitch. the mounting design to the frame is the problem, it inherintly pulls away when loaded. the factory hitch has better mounting than that! putnam has reinforced their hitches since but its still the same flawed design....
Merriman®
I always take mine off. I go through some pretty big dips to get to my camp site.
mjmtrsprt
I have never taken mine off. My trailer bounces way more going thru the bumps on the 86 (used to be way worse a couple years ago better after they re-paved) then it does driving slowly in the dirt going to a campsite.
nosocks
QUOTE (rivermobster @ Feb 22 2010, 11:25 PM) *
QUOTE (hondajimz @ Feb 22 2010, 09:26 PM) *
I am fairly new to the whole toyhauler / truck world and have never done this, much less knew it was recommended. What is the reason behind it? Thanks,

Jim



they say a picture says a thousand words...


Yep.

I leave mine on for runs to the pound since it's not that bumpy. Anything more severe or further and they come off.

those bars rock up and down in rough roads and start twisting the frame mounts. EFF THAT.
adbrothers
QUOTE (SVrider @ Feb 22 2010, 09:04 PM) *
When I go off road at Ocotillo Wells, I remove the spring arms on my toyhauler as soon as get off the paved road. I have the 12k lbs. Equalizer hitch. I have to stop, jack up the tongue, remove the spring arms, lower tongue and continue off road.

Buddy I go camping with does this as well since I told him it was recommended by trailer mfg. I don't think I have seen anybody else doing this and I look for it when I see someone drive offroad.

Does anybody do this? If not, why not? Just curious about this

Thanks,
Sal





You dont have to jack it up to pull the bars off.........just stay to the side when you release the binders. The pipe flips down real fast so stay out of the way.


I never thought of taking mine off. I do have a real long bumper pull triple axle, so not as much movement. And I dont (wont) tow it with my chevy!
nosocks
QUOTE (adbrothers @ Feb 25 2010, 11:12 PM) *
QUOTE (SVrider @ Feb 22 2010, 09:04 PM) *
When I go off road at Ocotillo Wells, I remove the spring arms on my toyhauler as soon as get off the paved road. I have the 12k lbs. Equalizer hitch. I have to stop, jack up the tongue, remove the spring arms, lower tongue and continue off road.

Buddy I go camping with does this as well since I told him it was recommended by trailer mfg. I don't think I have seen anybody else doing this and I look for it when I see someone drive offroad.

Does anybody do this? If not, why not? Just curious about this

Thanks,
Sal





You dont have to jack it up to pull the bars off.........just stay to the side when you release the binders. The pipe flips down real fast so stay out of the way.

I think the extra 30 seconds to jack the thing up 6 inches is worth not risking a broken femur.
Rockwood
QUOTE (krustyone @ Feb 23 2010, 10:13 AM) *
I think the main reason they tell you to disconnect them is that the force of the spring bars could bend the trailer tongue if the angle between the truck and trailer becomes too great. Another thing to consider is the hitch rating, which is normally half the weight capacity without the bars attached. So, with bars, it will handle 1200 lb tongue weight, and without bars it is only rated for 600. So, it boils down to bending the hitch or bending the tongue. Pick one. Hitch is probably cheaper to fix, unless of course like Rivermobsters truck shows, the frame on the truck has also bent, which is probably fairly likely. Come to think of it, you could probably bend the truck frame as well with the bars attached, but it seems less likely given the direction of the forces on the truck ....

Better go back to a flatbed and tent... icon_biggrin.gif
adbrothers
QUOTE (nosocks @ Feb 25 2010, 11:17 PM) *
QUOTE (adbrothers @ Feb 25 2010, 11:12 PM) *
QUOTE (SVrider @ Feb 22 2010, 09:04 PM) *
When I go off road at Ocotillo Wells, I remove the spring arms on my toyhauler as soon as get off the paved road. I have the 12k lbs. Equalizer hitch. I have to stop, jack up the tongue, remove the spring arms, lower tongue and continue off road.

Buddy I go camping with does this as well since I told him it was recommended by trailer mfg. I don't think I have seen anybody else doing this and I look for it when I see someone drive offroad.

Does anybody do this? If not, why not? Just curious about this

Thanks,
Sal





You dont have to jack it up to pull the bars off.........just stay to the side when you release the binders. The pipe flips down real fast so stay out of the way.

I think the extra 30 seconds to jack the thing up 6 inches is worth not risking a broken femur.









I guess its like everything else........if your smart enough not to put your femur in front of the bar when you release it. And you can save the broken bones for later out in the sand. He acted like it was a lot of work to take them off. I was just pointing out that it doesnt have to be.
SVrider
QUOTE (nosocks @ Feb 25 2010, 11:17 PM) *
QUOTE (adbrothers @ Feb 25 2010, 11:12 PM) *
QUOTE (SVrider @ Feb 22 2010, 09:04 PM) *
When I go off road at Ocotillo Wells, I remove the spring arms on my toyhauler as soon as get off the paved road. I have the 12k lbs. Equalizer hitch. I have to stop, jack up the tongue, remove the spring arms, lower tongue and continue off road.

Buddy I go camping with does this as well since I told him it was recommended by trailer mfg. I don't think I have seen anybody else doing this and I look for it when I see someone drive offroad.

Does anybody do this? If not, why not? Just curious about this

Thanks,
Sal





You dont have to jack it up to pull the bars off.........just stay to the side when you release the binders. The pipe flips down real fast so stay out of the way.

I think the extra 30 seconds to jack the thing up 6 inches is worth not risking a broken femur.


Definately agree with this, 30 seconds is time well spent!
SVrider
QUOTE (adbrothers @ Feb 25 2010, 11:12 PM) *
QUOTE (SVrider @ Feb 22 2010, 09:04 PM) *
When I go off road at Ocotillo Wells, I remove the spring arms on my toyhauler as soon as get off the paved road. I have the 12k lbs. Equalizer hitch. I have to stop, jack up the tongue, remove the spring arms, lower tongue and continue off road.

Buddy I go camping with does this as well since I told him it was recommended by trailer mfg. I don't think I have seen anybody else doing this and I look for it when I see someone drive offroad.

Does anybody do this? If not, why not? Just curious about this

Thanks,
Sal





You dont have to jack it up to pull the bars off.........just stay to the side when you release the binders. The pipe flips down real fast so stay out of the way.


I never thought of taking mine off. I do have a real long bumper pull triple axle, so not as much movement. And I dont (wont) tow it with my chevy!


Not sure what you mean by "binders" or "pipe flips down real fast" On the Equa-li-zer I don't think you can release the bars without jacking the trailer up to release the weight on 'em.

Maybe you are referring to the other types of weight dist. setups. Never have used them so I am not familiar.
cjrockcrawler
I have seen a few trailer tongues on different manufacturer's haulers looking up at the sky on wash road before. I had a 05' FS3000 in the past and know the frames are not the strongest when under a heavy load or added stress. Hence the class action lawsuit that was against WW.
ChuckZilla
I think it's critical to get the hitch height correct when setting up a hitch system. If the ball height is too low to start then the bars will have to make up the difference to get a good even trailer. Take a poor setup off road and boom................
adbrothers
QUOTE (SVrider @ Feb 27 2010, 10:49 PM) *
QUOTE (adbrothers @ Feb 25 2010, 11:12 PM) *
QUOTE (SVrider @ Feb 22 2010, 09:04 PM) *
When I go off road at Ocotillo Wells, I remove the spring arms on my toyhauler as soon as get off the paved road. I have the 12k lbs. Equalizer hitch. I have to stop, jack up the tongue, remove the spring arms, lower tongue and continue off road.

Buddy I go camping with does this as well since I told him it was recommended by trailer mfg. I don't think I have seen anybody else doing this and I look for it when I see someone drive offroad.

Does anybody do this? If not, why not? Just curious about this

Thanks,
Sal





You dont have to jack it up to pull the bars off.........just stay to the side when you release the binders. The pipe flips down real fast so stay out of the way.


I never thought of taking mine off. I do have a real long bumper pull triple axle, so not as much movement. And I dont (wont) tow it with my chevy!


Not sure what you mean by "binders" or "pipe flips down real fast" On the Equa-li-zer I don't think you can release the bars without jacking the trailer up to release the weight on 'em.

Maybe you are referring to the other types of weight dist. setups. Never have used them so I am not familiar.

By "binders" I mean the place where you hook the chain back to the frame (tounge) of the trailer. You usualy use a pipe to pull up to put tension on the chains. And the pipe flips down real fast is if you release the binder with that same pipe. And yes you can take them off without getting the blocks of wood out, jacking the trailer up, unhooking them, raising the jack back up and puting the blocks back away (and the bars). I guess some of you do that in 30 sec, if I do it that way it takes me a little longer than 30 sec.

Blacklisted
I leave mine on but tow slow down wash road and the washes. Does anyone else have the problem with the hitch leaning back without the bars on? I have tightened up the bolts for the hitch but when I moved my trailer without the spring bars it pushed the hitch down/angled back. I am worried about breaking the bolts without the spring bars, is this normal or am I just having problems that need to be looked at/fixed? I hope I am explaining this right.
MWBbanshee
A properly set up hitch should be able to be towed off road with no problem...There is a differance between driving down wash road or into the flats a Gordons and going off road. Your trailer probaly goes thru more stress getting in and out of some gas stations than it does where most of us go off roading with our trailers. Hell getting on and off the 78 onto wash road is pretty bad.
mjmtrsprt
QUOTE (Blacklisted @ Mar 3 2010, 06:45 AM) *
I leave mine on but tow slow down wash road and the washes. Does anyone else have the problem with the hitch leaning back without the bars on? I have tightened up the bolts for the hitch but when I moved my trailer without the spring bars it pushed the hitch down/angled back. I am worried about breaking the bolts without the spring bars, is this normal or am I just having problems that need to be looked at/fixed? I hope I am explaining this right.



I have had a few different WD hitches and they all have done that. If I remember right the top hole is slotted a little. I believe they are supposed to be like that.
Mongo
Hitch shouldnt move and its supposed to be tipped back a little. Thats what makes the pressure on the bars. Bars are supposed to be parallel to the tongue when chained up...
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