I know I will not be making many friends by saying this, but I'd just like to ask what the point of a wheelie is? To show off the number of dollar bills tucked into your rail? How many accidents have there been because of this "wheelie" phenomenon? How many quads, bike, rail have been run over by wheelies?

In most racing / driving you want to keep your wheels on the ground, or at least have all four airborne at the same time. It's not a show of skill of any kind. I understand on a motorcycle, a wheelie takes some skill (I know, I've been trying). But in an overpowered toy, it's just mashing the pedal and impressing nobody. It's not talent, it's power-to-weight and weight distribution.

"Look at me, I've got 700hp and I don't know what to do with it! I certainly cannot use it for anything else" (unless you're Robby Gordon)

I equate it to loud stereos in mini-trucks. People look at you, you get attention, but most of them think you're an idiot. I certainly don't support banning any activity (of any kind), but just know that I (and MANY others) think you're an idiot for doing them. When I see a car on it's back wheels, I think the driver is trying to make up for lack of something.

and there's a big IMHO here!


flame on.....

Look at me......That's it. If someone goes to a quiet part of the dunes and does them because they love doing them that is one thing. Doing them at the drags and hill is for attention.

While I don't normally do them I like watching others. There is a time and place for everything and condemning the act makes me wonder where it ends? Rev limiters? After all does anyone really need to go faster than 50mph in the dunes? The elimination of multiple seat cars? Aren't passengers a distraction? A one way clockwise rotation through the dunes? Wouldn't this greatly decrease accidents? Dunes off limits from sundown to sun up? What are you going to see at night that you didn't see during the day? Slippery slope.

quite ridiculous........

Wheelies for the sake of show in a busy area are not smart.... This to me is common sense - seemingly a great lack of it these days no doubt.

However - wheelie's in the course of a dune run are great fun and do take a lot of talent. Nothing gets the blood pumping more than a third gear pinned wheelie across the face of a dune in the middle of an outrageous run with your bro's. Further, when it is play time and you have a spotter, why not have some big fun?

X2

Have some fun in as safe a manner as you can.

But if you need a risk-free sport, this isn't it.

There are more deaths in lawn bowling.
I'll stick to wheelies

I drive a Subaru---can't do a wheelie with no weight out the back If i get lucky i could do one up a rise!

The perfect wheelie is about two feet high, you still have vision and need a ton of HP to keep it there, anything past that is a waste

Wheelies with a Four cyclinder take some skill, and doing one in the middle of a dune run is the best.

I have seen more people injured doing wheelies on Quads and Motorcycles than Buggies We should outlaw them altogether, never let the wheels off the ground or else

Waste or not they are fun as hell. I personally will do one every chance I get with or without an audience. With a spotter of course. BTW if a car is set up right for the dunes and not set up just to wheelie it does indeed take some skill. If you don't like them look the other way.

10. RUGBY: Possibly the most brutal contact sport on the planet. These boys put NFL stars to shame by being just as vicious in their tackling but without any of the protection. Given that fact, it's hardly surprising that rugby has more injuries per player than any other participation sport. In fact, they're three times more likely to get injured than someone in martial arts. Torn muscles, concussion, broken bones - these boys don't stop unless they can't physically continue.

9. CAVE DIVING: Being a diver is bad enough, what with the risk of decompression, which can cause failure of the spinal cord, brain and lungs. But diving in caves takes things to a whole other level. At depths of 100 feet in a pitch-black cave it's incredibly easy to lose your bearings, have problems with your air supply - or even be eaten by some big, vicious creature. According to the Texas-based San Marcos Area Recovery Team, more than 500 people have died since 1960 while cave diving in Florida, Mexico and the Caribbean alone.

8. CHEERLEADING: In the US alone, there were more than 20,000 reported injuries last year alone, making cheerleading the world's most injury-prone sport in the world for women. In fact, the girls on the sidelines are more at risk of hurting themselves than the guys on the football field. Broken legs and spinal injuries are not uncommon. Don't tell these hardcore girls that cheerleading isn't a sport - they'll eat you for breakfast.

7. MOTORCYCLING: The most dangerous motor race in the world is, without doubt, the Isle of Man TT event. In its 100-year history, this one race has seen more than 220 deaths. The race mainly involves trying not to die by falling off your bike and ploughing headfirst into a tree at ridiculously high speeds.

6. FISHING: The sedate pastime of angling has one of the highest mortality rates of any sport due to the number of people who drown every year. Rock fishing - which involves casting a line into the ocean from the shoreline - is also notoriously dangerous, with people often losing their lives when they are dragged under by huge unexpected waves. In Australia alone, 15 people died while rock fishing in 2001. Plus, which other sport's competitors routinely take part in what is, to all intents and purposes, mass murder? Fish have feelings too, you know...

5. ROCK CLIMBING: According to Accidents In North American Mountaineering, the year 2000 saw 24 deaths in the US due to rock climbing mishaps. As well as getting up to wherever it is you want to go, you've got to be able to get back down, which is what makes this such a dangerous sport - it's not too easy to get medical help when you're 1,000 feet up and there's nowhere to land a chopper. Bad weather can prove extremely hazardous, quickly causing frostbite or hypothermia. In the insurance world, rock climbing is classed as a Category 5 sport. The only things more dangerous are Category 6 sports, which include naked knife fighting and blind archery.

4. GOLF: It may be just below boxing and ice hockey in the brutality stakes, but golf is right up there in the death stakes. Some figures suggest more than 4,000 of us take our last breath on the fairway every year. It's also a killing field when it comes to bad weather, with five per cent of all lightning-related deaths taking place on the golf course.

3. HORSE RIDING: A recent survey on the number of fatalities per 100,000 participants in the US put riding a horse - including eventing, racing and show jumping - at the top of the list with a whopping 128. And that's without taking into account all the horses that perished too. Compare this number to the seemingly much more dangerous sport of boxing - which has just 1.3 deaths per 100,000 - and it puts into perspective quite how dangerous getting your leg over a horse can be.

2. BASE JUMPING: Dangerous for the simple fact that it's all or nothing - if your parachute opens you'll be fine, if it doesn't you're looking at certain death. A comprehensive study has revealed that since the first BASE jump around 30 years ago, 175 people have been killed. Anyone taking part in this sport is basically betting their life on whether a chute opens properly or not. Think I'll stick to lawn bowls, thank you very much!

1. LAWN BOWLS: Forget those UFC kitty's, lawn bowls is for REAL men (and women!). Going off the number of deaths per player, it is the world's most dangerous sport, killing literally thousands worldwide every year. Its hardcore competitors will stop at nothing in pursuit of victory. If you're one of the lucky ones that escapes death, there are thousands more who end up with dislocated ankles, broken hips, torn knees or who simply keel over with a heart attack or a stroke due to the incredibly stressful nature of the game. Either that or it's down to most of the competitors being over 85 and lugging great big balls around.



Don't see wheelies in there

if you can do a wheelie you have way to much horsepower for the sand.. or your car is set up totally wrong... your out there to dune... run the bowls.. its not about wheelies or sand drags.. those two thing have the most brakes and rollovers ..

my .02

its all about the exhibition. why do we all line up to watch 2% of the people in the dunes drag race in the afternoons? why do we sit at the bottom of Olds putting up with the loud enginges? becaause we as spectators want to see disaster and close calls.

if we were not there watching there would not be anyone putting on a show.

sorry i had to throw it out there but it is the truth.

Like in boating..........These are the guys that take a 50ft twin screw offshore race boat to the local lake where the speed limit is 35 mph..............It's the "Look at me crowd"...............

However in my opinion the "fad" of enclosing cars top to bottom is far more dangerous than anything else being done with rails today..............but it looks cool to have an enclosed sandrail...... even though it cuts your vision in the dunes by 65% or more its not about that.......its about....."Look at me".........

I like doing wheelies, while listening to loud music in my "mini van" rail, I must really be trying to compensate....

It's about the rush.

WOW, are trying to cause a riot??

Disagree, I drive a Funco with a Subaru that hasn't been touched in 5 years and I can do a wheelie when the moons are aligned, much easier to do when the tides are high.

I have to chime in here too. Wheelies are the most fun I can personally have in the sand. I build my cars to have enough HP and I have enough steel around me to protect me if I roll. The naysayers that cannot do 5th gear wheelies at 80mph on flat grounds, would if they could. If not, hey it's just not your gig. I'm not inot pulling my turning breaks in a hairpin at 60, it's just not my gig. But like Duneflyer said, in a safe path when you are not going to harm someone it is an E ticket ride that we cannot do on the street back home. Thoughts?

You need to start telling people this, A guy ripping a hundred yard wheelie needs to know either his car is a piece of crap or that he needs to unplug a couple spark plug wires.

Twisted, with an LS1 in your ride you dont have the raw hp to rip your front end skyward just on the stab of the throttle. I get excited just thinking about it. We are out here do sand drags and scare ourselves by shifting theough the gears straight up and down, why not! If we screw up, you throw cash at it and go to it different the next time.

LMAO, I had better cork one turbo, I thought I was doing something wrong with too much HP.

If you screw up and your car goes flipping though the crowd at the drags people die!.............You gonna throw cash and the family of the dead and say...." I hope that covers it"............my god!

Wheelie when done properly hurt no one. what i mean is in the right place at the right time.

some people have no concept what the right time or place is . on a crowded hill NO ! keep it in the dunes with spotters !

wheelie in my RZR are the most fun i have had in the dunes , nothing quite like hittin that perfect lip and standing her strait up .

and i will continute to wheelie

my 200 hp RzR is a BLAST!!!!!!!!


Just my 2 cents

Tim

If i had a car that would wheelie then i would do it.......just not up or down a crowded hill with other people riding on it. Yes a lot of these guys are just dorks trying to look cool. On the other hand, some of them really love ripping through the dunes and they are very good drivers. It all boils down to common sense. Lots of missing brain cells from the "hill shooters"

No different than than someone who drives 40 mph through a residential tract while kids are out playing.

how can you do a wheelie when you have not touched your car in 5 years???

Thats like saying a Z06 has to much HP the max legal speed limit in most states is 75mph. Why do they make a car that will go 200mph plus ?

Nonsence - I wheelie all over Glamis and my car is set up perfect and does not have too much HP.

Sorry, haven't touched or rebulit engine in 5 years..........

funny but yes.. my car stays firmly planted on the ground... nice even 500hp.. no turbos no blower... nice even power and the power to weight ratio is awsome.. very well balanced car.. if your stab the throttle and your front end comes off the ground once again either to much horsepower or the balance is off on your car.. lol..

Tampon anyone?

funny.. my car will do it if the stars are aligned also..has to be a cold winters day.. with the sun at dead noon.. but I don't need to.. Im fast in the dunes.. that is what matters..

so your telling me when you stab the throttle your wheels stay on the ground??

Perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats not what im saying.. sand cars are for duning.. not doing wheelies.. if your wheels are off the ground your no longer have complete control of your car... that is why I say either to much hp or bad weight balance..

and listen.. yes they look cool.. but they need to be done in a safe manor.. but some people have more money then sense (cents)... so that is where people get hurt..

It's funny that you bring up Duneflyer........I know Pat also...........I've duned and camped with Pat numerous times...... He could buy and sell most guys I know 10 times over without blinking an eye.......however he is one of the nicest, most humble guys I know......you never see him throwing around how much cash he has,...he never gets envolved in this idiotic who's fastest at the drags BS.......... I wish all the so called "ballers were more like Pat. Glamis would be a much better place if that were the case. You guys with the HUGE egos would do well to take a page out of Duneflyers book. Pat is a class act top to bottom!......

I can answer this for my car. Yes, this is flat our in a strait line with it mashed to the floor and it had a little help from a rise.

Anyone want to talk "set up"? Want to go for a dune run?

...and yes, it's a 1,000+ HP.

I do not consider that a wheelie.. and your power to weight ratio is probley about right... will your car stand straight up??

This is fun. By the way Bill....priceless comment. Flash, sandrails are made to wheelie, some just dont have the beans, but hey, they dont break down either. I will take you for a ride and when were done ask you if sandrails should wheelie or not, I think I can change your mind.
Flash, we have our own drags. You just dont know about them.

ohh.. yea sure I would love to run with you.. or anyone else.. no for braging rights.. but to tear up the dunes and come out laughing.. i will be there this weekend..

I can answer this for my car. Yes, this is flat our in a strait line with it mashed to the floor at the HP Wars weekend and it had a little help from a rise.

Anyone want to talk "set up"? If you think my high HP rail can't dune let's go for a run.

...and yes, it's a 1,000+ HP.

not claiming.. has...

but I am talking of the guys only doing wheelies.. straigh up..or beyond their vision.. not just a foot lofter...

I am telling ya, guilty as charged. I have to watch my rear cage that it doesnt hook when I am straight up and down and cause me to come slamming down on my front end or hit a mogul on one side of my paddle and cartwheel me. That is tactical driving and I do it 3x a day every day I am out there. SBA You want that ride? 99% duning, but 1% wheel stands.

Not sure Flash still goes to the dunes??

Dirty: what every your opinion.. I have to say your car is sick.. love the layout and graphics...

Bla bla bla .......

DWB...........better go back and reply to the right guy....I never said sandrail shouldnt wheelie....however if you think they were "made" to wheelie....maybey in your world!.....they are made to dune...wheelies are only one part of the whole picture...or at least they should be.

Again.......it takes 10 times the balls to DUNE fast than go in a STRAIGHT line fast.

WB .....Id think youd know that...Im sort of surprised you of all people buy into the latter.

Wheelies, jumps, handfull of turning brake, aux rev limiter screaming, donuts, jack daniels, sobe bombs fireworks, porn, etc.


There is a time and a place for everything. Use a spotter, wear a seat belt, brush twice a day and floss, blah blah blah.

Sometimes its safe to wheelie, jump, slide, whatever. Sometimes its not. We all make mistakes and make some stupid decisions. But just 'cause you have tons of cash or no cash, major HP or only 651hp, it doesnt mean you have tons of brains or restraint or common sense or talent.


Do what makes you happy, when it makes you happy. All I ask is you think first and dont be a tool near me and my family!

Thanks Bro, you have a beautiful car too.

100% agree. Keep your showboating somewhere safe where you are the only person that has to go to the hospital.