This is bench racing right? Just wanted to introduce my new motor---size is top secret but it's bigger than a 3.0 and smaller than a 4.0 My previous motors were all 3.0 liters that have been in all my previous cars. This is a prototype from Subaru, it is basically a 3.6 liter Tribeca motor but has many factory billet parts, and some of my own (bore and stroke have changed)

This is the block with the custom crankshaft i had made, the blueprints alone were $2200 and 20 pages!, Notice how small the case is and 7 main bearing journals, two of the journals are pinned
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Here are the JE pistons and some custom rods to my specs, tiny things aren't they? pistons are about 320 grams!
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Here's the bottom side of my pistons, note that i have only .080 side clearance--that's .040" per side, this allows me to have a super short pin of just over 2.000" and still have 1.000" of pin to piston contact. light weight here is good These are special JE FSR lightweight forgings that have a very narrow skirt and internally reinforced
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Bare block
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More pics of the timing components soon

oh, I want one! Take my 2.5 as trade??

Im not concerened no more race gas I dont want to play with you guys.....J/k looks great john cant wait to pass you going down the drags Lol.....

I'll spot you some, just so you have no excuses

Can't wait to see it run...... That is going to put out some sick power!

I still have to break it in but should be able to run at 15psi by the end of this week-----that should be in the 700 HP ball park, it's experimental but if it stays together it will be going in my SU car (my avatar) pushing boost in the 25psi range, time to clean the dust off of that thing

john , somebody needs to let you know part of that motor is missing , there's only 6 pistons . tim

That's what i'm going to say to all you V8 boys, "hey and i beat you with two pistons missing"

700 HP, what (total car) weight..? might need to put some weights in the front or a wheelie bar....

abc

ouch! that hurt . cant wait to see that thing run , glad i put in a rear view camera . tim

You mean like this?

My Funco is 2200 lbs, my SU car is around 2000lbs, goal in this car is a true 1000HP, tranny is an S4D with the beginings of an air shifter
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This is gonna be the next "IT" motor. Can't wait.

This is the oil pump and cam drive off of the crank, note the billet chain guides
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This is what's inside that big timing cover, water pump is driven by chain inside this cover
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Right and left side cam gear drives, also note the billet chain tensioners
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NICE John!!! I cant wait to see it run... About time you got to work on your stuff again..

looks as though it will rev to the moon, what is redline or shiftpoint on a motor like this??? cant wait to see and HEAR!!!!!

nice work!!! with a light block, small pistons and then add the short skirts. DAMN that motor if the valves can keep up should rev like a Mofo.

sorry if i missed it (the wood got in the way) but is this going to be turbo or supercharged? what kind on compression is it starting with? what kind of RPM's are you hoping to get out of it?

sorry i didn't get to all 20 questions just yet lol

Bill, did you get out last weekend? if not we'll be going out for Thurs-Sat of this weekend?

This motor has a redline of around 7800rpm , Being the engine builder i leave my redline a little higher (like 8000+) for two reasons, 1. Need to find any weak links and 2. Just in case i'm pulling a sweet wheelie and don't want to stop. (hey, is it still o.k. to do these? ) it is turboed with a GT series turbo from Garrett and the static compression in the 9-10 to 1 range. Note how the center of gravity is below the crank centerline, and the intake is plastic. The valve buckets are shimless lightweight units that come out of the late model STi 2.5 engine.

SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

looks nice john lets see some pics when it done.

John if you put one of these motors powering your right paddle and another powering your left paddle, I am going to get nervous!

I am going out this weekend too john. Let's hook up. I will be on 1.5 with Diamond Dave or on Pad 3 in the middle. Where ya camping?

Beautiful motor my friend. Like a Ferrari, small, high revving and boost galore!

We should be in Road Runner, sounds good, hopfully be at the dunes by Thursday Morning, now about that motor idea of yours....twin turbos sound cool but twin motors sounds even better

i like it!

Tried to push this setup on some other folks, they wouldn't bite.

I'd imagine this will make them regret it. I can't wait to see the results.

John, with that kind of power to weight ratio, there are going to be some believers real soon, I will put my money down.... just keep her together, SBA for sure!

Were you referring to another builder?

I think Subaru North America would like to see one of these in an STi, say 600hp on pump gas, 4wd, hmmmmmm

People looking to build cars.

I referred them to you for further detail.

Hypathetical ??If i have 600ftlbs of torque at 6000 RPM and you have 600ftlbs at 5000 RPM and both our cars weigh the same--everything else realtively the same, who wins?

the car with its power down the fastest, so 5000 would be my guess...

Awesome John, Keep the updates coming!


Brandon Long

This thing looks beautifully violent.

Nice stuff!

Are all 4 cams Vanos? If so what kind of advancement can you get out of them? Are they adjustable? BTW...Looks impressive

Good eye, all four cams are "vanos" (subaru AVCS)with independant cam position sensors for each, this requires a Motec m800 which is what is in my SU car, i have them disconnected in my Funco because the ecu i run in that car can't control them (so there is still more power on tap with my other ecu/car, mainly for more bottom end) the intake cams cam be advanced up to 51 degree's! with the feature disconnected the intakes go fully retarded and the exhaust go fully advanced----basically they're straight up, best position full peak HP

John, you need to ditch the ECU in your Funco then! Get those cams working!
Nice build by the way.

There is a purpose to use thise ecu.....not everyone can afford an ecu that costs $5500 for just the box (no harness) by the time you're done with the ecu, harness, upgrades, etc the electronics could be approaching $8000. the Funco ecu can do 90% of the Motec and cost around $2500 for everything.

I completely understand. The core market isn't going to stup up to an M800. But, you are a Motec dealer and it is your car.

That is true, but when i give someone a ride i can truly say this is what you're going to get!, if they need more i'll put them in the SU car and show them some more

So can this Motor be set up to run pump gas and what would the HP and Torque be? Would it still be turbocharged only low boost? How much lighter is this motor with Turbo and intercooler versus an LS2? If 550 HP would you recommend S4S or 2D? Getting ready to spec a new buggy. You set up my Honda Turbo
SCU car last year with your Intecooler and the car just came alive. Probably 25% Increase in power. Want the same feeling in a new car which now doubt will be heavier. Not totally sold on the LS Motor set up. My car runs great but with the Race gas issue coming up it makes sense to look into a LS Motor, but if I could save weight with your 6 Cylinder it might be worth the money. How much maintenance would the motor require? If I could get 500 to 550 HP on Pump gas and be lighter than an LS I might be interested.

This post will require multiple posts to answer and i can't do it right now at work, however as far as the weight is concerned--it's worse than comparing apples and oranges, besides being much lighter, the CG is much lower and it's "half" of the length out the backend of the car!!!(these two should never be compared because they are too different, ie: you could never make the LS1 engine with the same weight or CG as the Subaru), i have a lot of these running with a 2d but that would not be my recommendation, i would like to see the next step in a tranny like a simple sequential. This motor shines in cars of 2200 and lighter, preferable more like the 2000 range as the torque could never be that of V8, i have not built one for pump gas yet, but it would be possible but not in the near future. I'm still looking at the race gas issue myself and the implications as well as the future use of it. it may not be as bad as you think

John get some weight off your car. My two seat mid engine AlumiCraft with a dual turbo NorthStar and a S-5, full body and glass windshield only weighes 1900# I could take out the NorthStar and put in a alum small block non LS motor with twin turbos alky 20% nitro and get at least 2000 HP. Take out those heavy Beard seats and put in one carbon fiber seat, take out the heavy glass windshield and replace with some plexyglass and lighten up a few more parts and it would be less than 1900# with at least 2000HP. May not be too good for duning but it would hawl the mail at the drags. Also you don't need a $5500. ECU.
DON~~~

leaving to the dunes in one hour---over 700HP

to the tires ? . tim

yuma drags

Wow if youre putting 700 hp to the ground at 2100lbs I think you will be hard to beat my friend....

He already is!!

Its in his sig:

2007/8 EPO "Third Times A Charm" Race Champ #1
2007/8 GNC "Run For The Gold" Race Champ #1

see the problem with John is....he already has the driver mod, its something that THANK GOD, you cannot buy. John was fast with 500hp....now he will be....


LUDACRIS SPEED.................


I call dibs for next ride...

Sorry Tim, Motor guys always talk Engine HP, not to the ground. This is making over 700 at the engine.