anyone hear about a new law that you can't use the gas cans with the long pour spots.

totally illegal bring them to my house and i will dispose of them for you

Think that law is actually a few years old?

They stopped selling them as "gas cans" a while ago. Then need the evap nossle on them, I dont know why, it just goes right back into the air.

right, infact i think pretty ALL the cans you see at speed shops are all for water or deisel only... i bet if you look on your can you have in the garage right now it says NO GASOLINE IN CALIFORNIA

gotta love california law...

As luck would have it, It would be me to get a ticket for a stupid fuel jug, so to avoid the hassle, I got two of those 14 gallon types with a pump nozzle from pepboy's and or costco from $85.00-$95.00 . Stand one up at the tailgate, and drive up and fill. No Mess, The wife can fill her own quad with no problem. Do have two 5 gal. cal. legal types, but they suck and spill alot from the neck connection, what a waste.. Sorry I don't have a pic.

How fast do they fill the tank? I'd like to use something similarly brainless for our 24 hours of Lemons team, but if they're agonizingly slow, I'll pass.

if i remember the discussions from previous post its illegal to sell and use to dispense but not illegal to store fuel in them so keep the pour spout off of em and no one knows any better....

if I bring them over are you buying me new ones? or are you going to supply the pipes for the quad?

Isn't it funny that the illegal cans work wonderfully and the legal ones dump fuel all over the place? Gotta love them guvment geniuses.

bought 2 of the new legal ones , use them to fill the old good ones so I don't make a mess . Would like to see someone from the goverment show me how to use them safely .

No but i will show your son some HID lights and how they can work on his quad,Then remind him that a pipe will make him go faster and to tell DAD he needs them both.

This topic was brought up on RDC and Brian Busby with Amber Racing Fuels which is the main distributor for VP and F&L fuels posted a comment about the 5 gal "Utility" jugs that we use. Amber is also the distributer of these jugs to most retail buggy shops.

"I know a little bit about this. CARB is the enforcing agency ... and they are able to issue citations to retailers and distributors selling illegal GAS/FUEL cans (up to $500 per container sold). This law is only enforced on gas/fuel cans under 10 gallons. Since dump cans are rapid refueling devices used for motorsports events only, CARB isn't concerned with them.

The end user will not be issued a ticket for using one of these jugs for fuel. It's an urban legend.

This is why we only sell waste/water/utility jugs! ... if you want a GAS/FUEL can, go to Pep Boys.

This is correct. I don't know why people start or perpetuate these rumors, but the old utility jug style is still the best, and only one I'll ever use. Mine are sitting out in the open and I've never had anyone say anything about them.

last i heard you can not take any fuel containers to glamis at all.

Except hydrogen cells...

I called the El Centro BLM office which covers everything from Plaster City to Glamis. The BLM officer said no one was being issued citations for using these jugs with screw on caps with hoses. They don't even have a section code to enforce it. It is not illegal to use any type of storage container for fuel. It is only illegal for mfg or retail shops to sell them as fuel containers. This is all an Internet Rumor!

Guy camped next to us this weekend was stopped on his way into gecko road because he had 4 of the 5 gal jugs with the clear fill hoses sitting in the bed of his truck... ranger wrote him a ticket for 250.00 for each jug and confiscated them full of gas! told the gut tough sh!t and the ticket total was 1000 bucks! thats no joke people dont leave them out even in camp they are giving out tickets like candy this season...

Really???

The law clearly states you can use your older non-compliance jugs until they are no longer usable, but all new ones need to be compliant.

So as long as the old ones - not new ones that say "water" are not leaking or broken you can use them...

I found this out after I bought 6 of the new ones @ $40 each at Cycle Gear, and they leak all over and take forever to fill the tank

I would like to see what CVC section they are citing...




How else am I supposed to bring my illegal race fuel?

I am not sure if the cans were newer and or labled "not for use with flammable liquids etc"... i will have my buddy who is still out there interview the guy tomorrow and find out all the details... i thought if you had the filler hose on the can it was illegal ... it wa my understanding that cans must be stored and transported with the black cap on?

5th bullet down.

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/elcentro/re...ment/qanda.html

As of July 1, 2007, all PFCs sold in California must be certified by the Air Resources Board as meeting low-emission standards and regulatory requirements.

Approved fuel containers list

thanks for posting that

One other thing I found;

Portable fuel containers shall be color coded for specific fuels:

a) Gasoline – red;

b) Diesel – yellow; and

c) Kerosene – blue.

Each portable fuel container must have identification markings on the

container and on the spill-proof spout.

a) Red containers shall be permanently identified with the embossed

language, or permanent durable label “GASOLINE” in minimum 34-point

Arial font or a font of equivalent proportions.

Don't forget to link what you post. I did some looking and can't find a law that any officer of any agency in Cal can use to cite for fuel jugs. Laws regarding sales, but none regarding use that I can find.

if someone needs the old style fill spouts, there is a place in here in Vegas that sells them, I can ship them out to someone if they need one,

Need more details on this ticket.

thanks.

Are you using the red ones with the push down fill?

I am not gonna call BS... BUT..... I call BS, I had a ranger inspect my truck nov. 3rd on the way out, he clearly saw my 2 race cans and didnt say crap, he stopped me because he wanted to see green sticker and camping permit...

I got a few more details... they guy that got stopped had white/clear jugs and thats the offence i guess... the cans said "not for use with flammible liquids and said something about the writing being part of the mold on the side of the jug...The officer told the guy the cans need to be red from now on (even if you paint them) and say gasoline on the side in at least 2" letters. the non spil jugs that are carb legal are 39.00 each at ORW hee in Escondido...I was not able to find out what the code for the violation on the ticket was, what a bummer.

I heard in CA., it will be illegal to carry a gas can soon.

i would take it to court and fight it. this is quoted from the FAQ section on the BLM el centro page...



scroll down, its the 5th one down..

BLM El Centro

Ya, but if you keep scrolling down there is a question about if fees are going up "NEXT" season (2009-2010)? ? ? ? Could be new law.

Here is the link that covers everything about the new cans. Section 2.2 covers the color. This does not give a CA code though.

Here is the CA code that says it has to have a "spill proof spout" Spill proof

Funny this came up again. I just baught an old 5 gallon galvinized steel can with the yellow flex spout at an estate sale for a buck this past weekend. Still has all the markings for gasoline. Gonna be a nice addition to the other one I have. I look for these all the time, cause their so easy to fill with. The 2 pep boy 14 gal. ones work great too.

I bet he got nailed for the no use of flammable liquids is my guess.Had the cans not said that i would think he'd be ok.I have 2 blue and 1 clear the rest are red.I know one of the blu and the clear will be filled with diesel the other blue will be the first to be used.LOL.

Mine are older pre ban cans

It does say at the very bottom that it was updated on 9/27/2011 so it should be recent.

hmm, all of mine are blue. my bikes run on kerosene

officer; those white gas cans are illegal

me; illegal to carry water?

officer; no illegal to carry gas, can I check to see what is in them

me; not unless you have a warrant.

Where is the Like button... like on Facebook..

Your Basic Sandrail Likes this.

Last night i was thinking this same thing too. since i am staying for a wek i need extra water for trailer.

Good thing I bought a bunch of the old ones right before the law...I've got enough cans to last till the next decade.

Going to have to get the BLM to stand up and inform their officers that they must have the right C.V.C. code available for veiwing when they write tickets...

The document from CARB is specifically aimed at new cans being sold , I saw no where that it addressed cans being used by consumers , I did not read it in it's entirety though . Tim

I read it...it is all about manufacturing and sales.

I posted this back in may for a similar thread has the law changed?


The California Air Resources Board (CARB) adopted a PFC regulation on September 11, 2000. This
regulation requires spill-proof containers and spill-proof spouts sold in California after January 1, 2001,
to meet performance standards that reduce VOC emissions. The performance standards require all PFCs
to have an automatic shut-off feature preventing overfilling and an automatic closing feature so the can
will be sealed when it is not being used. The performance standards also eliminate secondary venting
holes and require new plastics to reduce vapor permeation through container walls. CARB determined
that the performance standards would reduce VOC emissions by 75 percent. There is no requirement for
owners of conventional PFCs to modify their gas cans or to scrap them and buy new ones. Compliance
will be accomplished primarily through attrition. As containers wear out, are lost, damaged, or destroyed,
consumers will purchase new spill-proof containers replace conventional containers. CARB determined
that the average useful like of a PFC is five years. With a one-year sell-through period, CARB anticipates
that full compliance will be achieved by January 1, 2007.

Heck my GOTT Red Plastic Gas Jugs purchased in 1988 emptied befor stored in my garage after every tripare all very functional I have 6 I doubt in my lifetime they will ever need to be replaced unless somebody steals em

Does your gas can meet OSHA requirements?
Can you legally use that red plastic $5.00 gas can on your jobsite?
The short answer, probably not.

OSHA Standard 29 CFR 1926.152(a)(1) states "Only approved containers and portable tanks shall be used for storage and handling of flammable and combustible liquids. Approved safety cans or Department of Transportation approved containers shall be used for the handling and use of flammable liquids in quantities of 5 gallons or less.

Anytime the word "shall" is used in a regulation, it means that this rule is mandatory and must be followed.

What is an approved safety can or DOT gas can?
A safety can is (29CFR1926.155(1) an approved, closed container, of not more than 5 gallons capacity, having a flash arresting screen, spring closing lid and spout cover and so designed that it will safely relieve internal pressure when subjected to fire exposure.

Approval is given by a nationally recognized testing laboratory, for example, Underwriters' Laboratory, Inc.

Gas cans can only display DOT approval markings when they meet stringent Department of Transportation requirements. Here is where it gets confusing, inexpensive plastic gas cans may meet EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) requirements, but they do NOT meet DOT rules. Some gas cans may say they meet CARB spill-proof regulations in certain states or AQMD (Air Quality Management
District) rules. Again, this doesn't help when trying to comply with OSHA. None of these other regulatory agencies are the same as DOT. They are not interchangeable.

If your head isn't already spinning, one last point. If you are looking for a UL "approval", you will see the following words on the product, UL Listed. If your can has a UL Classified marking, this is not the same as UL Listed (approved). If you want more information about UL markings, go to

Same question on all boards rule only for new cans with spill proof hose.

California residents are no longer allowed to buy any of these jerry cans unless the
corresponding spouts meet the new California Air Resources Board (CARB) spillproof spouts. Although CARB spouts are available that fit some jerry cans,
discussion of these CARB approved spouts is out of scope for this FAQ since these
spouts are not a military standard.
In addition, there are 2 types of jerry can holders. The military designed holder will
hold all types of jerry cans, both for fuel and water; the civilian version will only hold
the Blitz style fuel can. More about this later.
I’ll also discuss the advantages and disadvantages using siphons and funnels to pour
and dispense motor fuels.
There are some internet sites selling jerry cans that state that US Department of
Transportation (DOT) regulations require that jerry cans be colored red for gasoline.
I have both DOT 178.509 for plastic jerry cans and DOT 178.511 for steel jerry cans:
neither regulation requires these cans to be any color, including red; nor can I find
any specific requirement for the red color in other DOT regulations for portable fuel
containers. If someone can find a DOT regulation that states otherwise, please email the DOT regulation number to me at . All except four of
my 13 jerry fuel cans are olive drab (OD) and I’ve never had any problems filling
these OD cans with fuel at different gas stations. If you’ve ever been denied
permission to fuel a jerry can for this, or any other reason, please e-mail me with the
details. In any event, in case this is an issue in those states with less personal
freedom (e.g. PRK, OR, PA); the obvious solution is to just paint the cans red