A while back people here were talking about doing this very thing. Well, now it's being organized and let's get out and make a LOUD NOISE and let people know we're here and not going away and that we're MAD AS HELL AND NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE! ! ! !
http://www.americansandassociation.org/php...pic.php?t=15185
Full Version: Let's Make Some Noise
I wish that we could make it, but because it is on Friday. 
Good luck to all of you, have a good time, and if we can figure out someway to be there....we will see ya then!
Good luck to all of you, have a good time, and if we can figure out someway to be there....we will see ya then!
I should be able to attend the one in escondido
Wish I could be there...Make some NOISE for me 
I have no life. so I will be there for certain
Why can't the ASA get a FLYER campaign going?
especially on the Major Holiday weekends?
especially on the Major Holiday weekends?
Flyers regarding this ralley are going to be handed out at the Expo this weekend at the O.C. Fairgrounds in Costa Mesa.
I'm also trying very hard to get the ASA phonetree up and running; attempting to contact up to 4000 people in a very short time! If you're interested in helping, send me a pm.
Finally, more info on the ralley will be in the next ASA newsletter that will be out very soon.
I'm also trying very hard to get the ASA phonetree up and running; attempting to contact up to 4000 people in a very short time! If you're interested in helping, send me a pm.
Finally, more info on the ralley will be in the next ASA newsletter that will be out very soon.
| QUOTE (J.A.F.O. @ May 14 2004, 09:42 PM) |
| Why can't the ASA get a FLYER campaign going? especially on the Major Holiday weekends? |
Very Simple... we need more Volunteers to handle these needed parts of the ASA. The ASA is an ALL VOLUNTEER organization NOT a Corporation. NO ONE gets paid to perform any function of the ASA. It takes those people reading this post to say,,, damn, I love to ride at Mother G and I want my kids and grandkids to be able to do the same.
That is why I volunteer... and the only reason why...
Volunteer today,,, (((it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside... like the PINK STUFF!!!)))
AND we realize not EVERYONE can be at the Protest Rally,,, that is why there will be several Letter Generator available to use to SUPPORT this effort...
As Jim said above, we are all VOLUNTEER!
Last month alone, I ran over 900 minutes on my cell phone working on this, not counting my house phone.
I have sent out over 800 emails. I have sent at least 20 people lists of people to call.
This is something that was discussed on this board not too long ago! People were calling for a ralley to make some noise, scream and yell and let them know we're angry!
So, now is the time.
LET'S DO IT! ! ! !
Last month alone, I ran over 900 minutes on my cell phone working on this, not counting my house phone.
I have sent out over 800 emails. I have sent at least 20 people lists of people to call.
This is something that was discussed on this board not too long ago! People were calling for a ralley to make some noise, scream and yell and let them know we're angry!
So, now is the time.
LET'S DO IT! ! ! !
I'm in Washroad, I'll PM you with my email, and phone #'s
THANK YOU!!!
Damn! It looks like I'm going to be out of town for this one...I've already sent out e-mails and hard copies of the letters from the generator, don't know how else I can help, not being an ASA member especially. Washroad, if you can think of anything I'll PM you my contact info...
Dave,
I'm sending you a PM now.
I'm sending you a PM now.
Has the media been advised of the protest, if they have and are going to be present, we must make sure that this event is 100% peacefull. If there is even 1 single arrest on our part, the greens will use it against us and this entire event will be used to their advantage.
Its great that everyone is coming together to fight for our sport. Just keep this in mind. To law enforcment, people that are envolved in a protest are considered a problem. I have no doubt that there will be allot of law enforcement present from multible agencies. They will activate the local E.O.C. (emergency operation center) and they will have a swat team standing by. I'm not trying to stop you, I just want to let you guys know what is normal operating procedures for this type of event. Please be carfull and leave the beers at home.
Its great that everyone is coming together to fight for our sport. Just keep this in mind. To law enforcment, people that are envolved in a protest are considered a problem. I have no doubt that there will be allot of law enforcement present from multible agencies. They will activate the local E.O.C. (emergency operation center) and they will have a swat team standing by. I'm not trying to stop you, I just want to let you guys know what is normal operating procedures for this type of event. Please be carfull and leave the beers at home.
Right on! Just checked my calendar, Laughlin trip isn't until the next weekend, I will do everything in my power to be in attendance on the 11th! Brian, you can give me a call whenever about anything else I can do to help...
Brian, you can give me a call whenever about anything else I can do to help...
ACE Coolers, 7852 Raytheon Road, San Diego (Between 52, 163 and 805)
Ill be there at 10 am.. Debating on bringing the toy hauler or open trailer with buggy on it (with for sale sign on it also)..
- Not sure if I should bring the kids though.. I mean I want them there - but they might get bored and turn it in to an "ordeal" and tha is no fun..
Ill be there at 10 am.. Debating on bringing the toy hauler or open trailer with buggy on it (with for sale sign on it also)..
- Not sure if I should bring the kids though.. I mean I want them there - but they might get bored and turn it in to an "ordeal" and tha is no fun..
Bring the toyhauler, more room for banners!
Looks like the greens will be joining us
| QUOTE |
| All- Would you be willing to support and help organize a demonstration in support of the ESA at the U.S.Fish and Wildlife Service Headquarters in Carlsbad, CA. on June 11th in order to help give voice to the beliefs of the majority of Americans regarding the protection of our endangered species and their habitats? Leaders of a well-funded, vocal southern California Off-Road Vehicle Group, the American Sand Association are holding a LOUD protest that day calling for "fixing the broken Endangered Species Act". See article below.... I think we need to be there to counter their action. One suggestion I have received is that we show up in large numbers with colorful, beautiful posters of endangered species and other posters with words, and that we SILENTLY demonstrate in support of the silent majority of Amercians and in support of the species who cannot be there themselves! Excuse me if you already received the ORV circulated "alert" below, but this is what we need to couunter. Please let me know your response to our own demonstration and your ideas of how to conduct it and whom to invite to attend- activists, citizens, congress people, etc. Looking forward to hearing from you. Terry Weiner (619) 543-0757 |
Terry Weiner was in the PEER video speaking against us. 
She was walking along Gecko Road in the video.
Well, I look at it this way, you're either on "OUR" side or you're against us.
Looks like Terry wants to be against us.
Again.
She was walking along Gecko Road in the video. Well, I look at it this way, you're either on "OUR" side or you're against us.
Looks like Terry wants to be against us.
Again.
The last name explains it all.
How many of you have used the letter generator on the ASA homepage?
Quick and easy to use.
Quick and easy to use.
I used it for the Fee Demo letters. Very nice.
Perry
Perry
I did as well, the day that KG posted the link to the generator that I believe jhitesma was working on.
EDIT: Giving my props to the wrong people...
EDIT: Giving my props to the wrong people...
| QUOTE (PimpShackDave @ May 21 2004, 10:25 AM) |
| I did as well, the day that jhitesma posted the link. |
Actually Doug (KingGlamis) posted the link....I just added more info
There will be another generator to go along with this protest. If anyone has suggestions on text that should be included be sure to send it over to Jim (Sandduners) ASAP so we can work it in!
Lets do it.
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This is turning into something HUGE!!!
Thanks to those helping to spread the word out,,, on Friday, June 11th this will be the TOP STORY on the NEWS...
Boy I wish I could share some of the GREAT info I've been getting on this,,, but because those pesty, lurking, anti-human people read the forums... I just can't, (not yet that is... )
Thanks everyone, keep posting the message on the other message boards out there. This is NOT a dune only issue,,, so many others are affected by this broken Act...
Go post whores,,,, GO!!!
Thanks to those helping to spread the word out,,, on Friday, June 11th this will be the TOP STORY on the NEWS...
Boy I wish I could share some of the GREAT info I've been getting on this,,, but because those pesty, lurking, anti-human people read the forums... I just can't, (not yet that is...
)Thanks everyone, keep posting the message on the other message boards out there. This is NOT a dune only issue,,, so many others are affected by this broken Act...
Go post whores,,,, GO!!!
head line - "Post whores found usefull in life"
Ill have the toy hauler and will hang any banner that doesnt get me shot!!! Anyone wanting to ride along - let me know..
Ill have the toy hauler and will hang any banner that doesnt get me shot!!!
Anyone wanting to ride along - let me know..
There is a Slogan Contest in Slap's Neighborhood if y'all wanna play...
June 11th ~ The American Sand Association is organizing a Protest Rally at the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service(FWS) office in Carlsbad, CA.
From the ASA News here: Main Story
HOW MUCH MORE LAND ARE WE WILLING TO LOSE???
We must face this question. Unless we REFORM The Endangered Species Act(ESA) now,
the possibility of losing your favorite riding area could be tomorrow.
Don't think so? Remember 17,000 acres open at Pismo Beach (now 1,500)?
Remember the Kelso Dunes (87,000 acres) 100% CLOSED? Remember Rice Valley
Dunes, Cadiz Dunes, Panamint Dunes, Eureka Dunes, Saline Dunes, Ibex
Dunes, 1000 Palms Dunes, Borrego Dunes, Pinto Dunes, Whitewater Dunes,
Chuckwalla Dune Thicket? All 100% CLOSED. This is only a PARTIAL list!
Remember when the Imperial Sand Dunes (ISDRA, Glamis, Buttercup) had
49,300 more acres to ride just a few years ago? The list of closures is
long and anti-access activists want to see the list get longer. They are
using the ESA to do it.
The (ESA) needs to be reformed before you lose YOUR favorite riding area.
Don't wait until it happens. Imagine arriving at your favorite place only
to find a CLOSED Sign. IT HAPPENS! All it could take is a newly listed
bug, creature, or plant and YOU ARE OUT: all due to this poorly written
and heavily abused Act.
On Friday, June 11th, come join hundreds of fellow OHV users and the
Public to protest at the Fish & Wildlife Service (FWS) office in Carlsbad.
This office has demonstrated their reluctance to use good science in
listing species such as the Peirson's Milk-Vetch (PMV) at the Imperial
Sand Dunes Recreational Area.
To make an impact, we need hundreds of trucks, motorhomes, toy haulers,
trailers, jeeps, street-legal toys and NOISE to go with them. We need to
assemble so that the media, BLM, and FWS get our message:
THE ESA IS BROKEN AND WE WANT IT FIXED.
Our future recreation on public lands depends on this fatally flawed law
being rewritten.
For questions or to help out:
Email to: volunteers@americansandassociation.org
or call: 1-714-229-0286
IT IS TIME TO MAKE SOME NOISE!!!
Meet at one of the 3 following businesses around 10:00 AM on Friday June 11th for
pre-rally information and instructions on OUR protest at the FWS office in Carlsbad.
B&R Buggies, 1523 So.Coast Hwy, Oceanside (Oceanside Blvd exit off the I-5)
Mech-Tech Motorsports, 1277 Simpson Way, Escondido (Near 78 / 15 Intersection)
ACE Coolers, 7852 Raytheon Road, San Diego (Between 52, 163 and 805 FWY)
If your planning on going to the protest rally, you might want to stay an extra day and hang out with some fellow duners. There are going to be a bunch of duners staying at Lake Skinner. If you would like to get more info on Camping or making camping arrangements Jim Sanduners is handling all camping requests.
You can contact him by email: SANDUNERS@aol.com
LAKE SKINNER PARK
37701 Warren Road, Winchester CA 92596 | Phone: (909) 926-1541
10 mi. N of Temecula off Rancho California Rd.
158 sites with full hook-ups, 16 with water & electric, 39 with water only. Camping is a popular activity here, with 300 developed campsites for both tent and RV campers. Full hookups and showers are available, along with a convenient camp store. Groups can choose from several settings, including two new mini-group areas in Campground C and a separate, reservation available site overlooking the lake. Space is also available for group events, such as company picnics, reunions and club functions. Lake Skinner offers shade structures, barbecues, rest rooms, an on-site caterer, and some of the best views around. Swimming, picnicking, hiking and equestrian trails are among the activities to be enjoyed at Lake Skinner during the warm months. There are lots of barbecue grills and tables for picnickers. Or visitors can grab a quick, tasty bite to eat at the Grill Masters Cafe. While Lake Skinner is a no-swimming lake, the 1/2-acre swimming lagoon, open Memorial Day through Labor Day, provides a refreshing respite from warm summer days for kids of all ages. There's even a sandy beach! The Lake Skinner is located approximately 10 miles north of Temecula off Rancho California Road. You can get more info below, just click the link:
http://www.riversidecountyparks.org/lake_skinner.cfm
From the ASA News here: Main Story
HOW MUCH MORE LAND ARE WE WILLING TO LOSE???
We must face this question. Unless we REFORM The Endangered Species Act(ESA) now,
the possibility of losing your favorite riding area could be tomorrow.
Don't think so? Remember 17,000 acres open at Pismo Beach (now 1,500)?
Remember the Kelso Dunes (87,000 acres) 100% CLOSED? Remember Rice Valley
Dunes, Cadiz Dunes, Panamint Dunes, Eureka Dunes, Saline Dunes, Ibex
Dunes, 1000 Palms Dunes, Borrego Dunes, Pinto Dunes, Whitewater Dunes,
Chuckwalla Dune Thicket? All 100% CLOSED. This is only a PARTIAL list!
Remember when the Imperial Sand Dunes (ISDRA, Glamis, Buttercup) had
49,300 more acres to ride just a few years ago? The list of closures is
long and anti-access activists want to see the list get longer. They are
using the ESA to do it.
The (ESA) needs to be reformed before you lose YOUR favorite riding area.
Don't wait until it happens. Imagine arriving at your favorite place only
to find a CLOSED Sign. IT HAPPENS! All it could take is a newly listed
bug, creature, or plant and YOU ARE OUT: all due to this poorly written
and heavily abused Act.
On Friday, June 11th, come join hundreds of fellow OHV users and the
Public to protest at the Fish & Wildlife Service (FWS) office in Carlsbad.
This office has demonstrated their reluctance to use good science in
listing species such as the Peirson's Milk-Vetch (PMV) at the Imperial
Sand Dunes Recreational Area.
To make an impact, we need hundreds of trucks, motorhomes, toy haulers,
trailers, jeeps, street-legal toys and NOISE to go with them. We need to
assemble so that the media, BLM, and FWS get our message:
THE ESA IS BROKEN AND WE WANT IT FIXED.
Our future recreation on public lands depends on this fatally flawed law
being rewritten.
For questions or to help out:
Email to: volunteers@americansandassociation.org
or call: 1-714-229-0286
IT IS TIME TO MAKE SOME NOISE!!!
Meet at one of the 3 following businesses around 10:00 AM on Friday June 11th for
pre-rally information and instructions on OUR protest at the FWS office in Carlsbad.
B&R Buggies, 1523 So.Coast Hwy, Oceanside (Oceanside Blvd exit off the I-5)
Mech-Tech Motorsports, 1277 Simpson Way, Escondido (Near 78 / 15 Intersection)
ACE Coolers, 7852 Raytheon Road, San Diego (Between 52, 163 and 805 FWY)
If your planning on going to the protest rally, you might want to stay an extra day and hang out with some fellow duners. There are going to be a bunch of duners staying at Lake Skinner. If you would like to get more info on Camping or making camping arrangements Jim Sanduners is handling all camping requests.
You can contact him by email: SANDUNERS@aol.com
LAKE SKINNER PARK
37701 Warren Road, Winchester CA 92596 | Phone: (909) 926-1541
10 mi. N of Temecula off Rancho California Rd.
158 sites with full hook-ups, 16 with water & electric, 39 with water only. Camping is a popular activity here, with 300 developed campsites for both tent and RV campers. Full hookups and showers are available, along with a convenient camp store. Groups can choose from several settings, including two new mini-group areas in Campground C and a separate, reservation available site overlooking the lake. Space is also available for group events, such as company picnics, reunions and club functions. Lake Skinner offers shade structures, barbecues, rest rooms, an on-site caterer, and some of the best views around. Swimming, picnicking, hiking and equestrian trails are among the activities to be enjoyed at Lake Skinner during the warm months. There are lots of barbecue grills and tables for picnickers. Or visitors can grab a quick, tasty bite to eat at the Grill Masters Cafe. While Lake Skinner is a no-swimming lake, the 1/2-acre swimming lagoon, open Memorial Day through Labor Day, provides a refreshing respite from warm summer days for kids of all ages. There's even a sandy beach! The Lake Skinner is located approximately 10 miles north of Temecula off Rancho California Road. You can get more info below, just click the link:
http://www.riversidecountyparks.org/lake_skinner.cfm
| QUOTE (Chummin @ May 22 2004, 08:28 AM) |
| head line - "Post whores found usefull in life" Ill have the toy hauler and will hang any banner that doesnt get me shot!!! Anyone wanting to ride along - let me know.. |
I will cruise with you moofer
Boss won't let me have the day off............................ I believe she may be a white coat! 
who is going to the escondido location???????/
In light of the FWS decision, this ralley is going to take on more significance.
There will be speakers there like Senator Bill Morrow!
Anyone in Riverside area willing to help me make phone calls to get the word out?
There will be speakers there like Senator Bill Morrow!
Anyone in Riverside area willing to help me make phone calls to get the word out?
Everyone, please bring your video camera and use a tape you can give up (a blank one without any bedroom stuff on it! )
We plan on creating a video with interviews and such, but we need lots of footage to make a really good video.
Thanks
PastorVor
)We plan on creating a video with interviews and such, but we need lots of footage to make a really good video.
Thanks
PastorVor
reporter Esco will be in the front row filming
Trouble on call.. 24/7
I hear Friday's a federal holiday in memory of Ronald Reagan, they're working on making it a state holiday too...does this change anything?
Dave,
The organizers are waiting to see if the FWS office will be closed on Friday. Someone will post any news as soon as a decision is made.
In the meantime, who is going to help paint banners tomorrow???????
Perry
The organizers are waiting to see if the FWS office will be closed on Friday. Someone will post any news as soon as a decision is made.
In the meantime, who is going to help paint banners tomorrow???????
Perry
Don't know if this will help:
| QUOTE |
| PRESIDENTIAL DOCUMENTS EXECUTIVE ORDERS Government agencies and employees: Closing of Executive branch departments and agencies on June 11, 2004 (EO 13343), 04-13123 |
The final order will be officially posted in the Federal Register tomorrow.
I guess the question will be whether a field office of the Fish & Wildlife Service is in this mix.
Vicki
Just confirmed that it is in the mix.
| QUOTE ("SANDUNERS") |
| It is still ON. We will Honor and pay Tribute to our fallen 40th President at the Protest Rally this Friday. Even though Mr. Reagan was a strong supporter of the ESA as written in 1973, he warned of the realities of the Act. |
See you there on Friday!!!!
Also Don't forget the Banner Party Tomorrow at Weekend Concepts!
I have a lot of TriTip that needs to be eaten!
Perry
I'll be there "early" tomorrow!
Hungry, and since I'm on the Atkins diet, hmmmmmm! Tri-tip!!!!
Perry, thank you so much for making phone calls for me!!!
Hungry, and since I'm on the Atkins diet, hmmmmmm! Tri-tip!!!!
Perry, thank you so much for making phone calls for me!!!
| QUOTE (SailAway @ Jun 7 2004, 02:45 PM) |
| Just confirmed that it is in the mix. |
So the office is closed or open? On Friday?
The office is closed. All federal offices are closed. I am not sure yet about state offices.
It's a public day of mourning for Pete's sake.
Vicki
It's a public day of mourning for Pete's sake.
Vicki
So let me get this staight, your having a protest at a office that is closed on a day of mourning to a President who hated protesters and protests in general? Call it what you want, but it sucks.
Call it what you want, but it sucks.
Yea I wrote, sucks. Stupid is a better word. The office is closed, right? Just want to make sure I'm reading this right?
damn it... This is very important - but if not moved to a different day Im out.
| QUOTE (Chummin @ Jun 8 2004, 07:46 AM) |
| damn it... This is very important - but if not moved to a different day Im out. |
Important? To who? The folks that its directed at won't even be present? Do you think the liberal media is gonna cover this on a day the office is closed and a day of Fed. mourning?
And since when was RR involved in or cause? If you follow his politics he was very vocal about being against protest rallies. How can you combine a protest and a tribute? Kinda like Kerry going to view the casket, just a fake f-n photo op! Shallow and fake, people aren't stupid.
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