Thanx Arnold

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace...noise-bill.html

Good. Straight pipes SHOULD be banned. You can't tell me they increase the performance that much.

And yes, I ride a bike.

first off, it does not say "straight pipes " it says modifying the stock setup or an aftermarket setup . the attention getting theory stated by the politician is correct , as a Bike rider ,i want attention ! i want every car to know i am there ,even if they dont see me ! the saying from the 60's and 70's is still true today "LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES" . as a rider you cant say you have never been cutoff or turned in front because they failed to see you , if you have spent anytime on a bike riding in town you know it happens , thats the theory behind the bumper sticker campaign of "start seeing bikers " well i prefer to be heard , it's much more reliable . tim

i think this is stupid. i think that you should have loud pipes so you can be noticed. everytime a stock bike passes i never knew it was even there until after it passes me.and for the bikes that have loud pipes i can hear them coming and i makes sure i give them plenty of room to pass by.

Some of these pipes folks use are ridiculous..
They drown out my 1200w stereo system and I can feel the vibration in my truck..
I listend to a guy the other night. I heard him for 5 minutes after leaving my street, he got on the I-8 and I heard him untill he got to the loop around la mesa..

I dont ride and I think the loud pipes around my house are a bit much. But I think the pipes make a rider alot more safe on the roadway. When I hear the pipes I triple check my mirrors before any lane changes etc,...
just my .02

Selective enforcement. Sounds like Glamis . . .

i agree that at some point it becomes obnoxious , but not being able to drill some holes in the stock setup is ridiculous. stock pipes have virtually no sound , which equates to only a visual que that the biker is present . i dont disagree that the straight pipe setup is making noise for the sake of noise , but i always run a louder than stock setup , my vulcan will quiet down farly well at a cruising speed , but any throttle gives a stern note that can be heard . a stock setup at cruising speed gives no sound and at throttle virtually none , unless a sewing machine sound raises people awarness , i go with a stern note for by bike . tim

All you pu**ies....You're welcome.

Loud pipes save lives and are the sound of freedom.


Read closely...doesn't go into affect until 2013 and only affects model years after 2013.

First thing I did to my bike was put pipes on it. You better believe I want you to hear me. Good news is the stock pipes are still sitting in the garage.


Loud pipes save lives!!!

gotta go with arnie on this one...thanks to the dumba$$ that lives around the corner and has to run his h/d wide open down the street

Give me your address...I'd HATE to disappoint...

I agree I hate straight pipes but this law is for all pipes. The way I read it is you can no longer change your pipes. All pipes must be stock on bikes 2013 and up.
The first thing you do when getting a new bike is rejet and pipes. I have never tested a stock bike but are they under the 80db?

3 damm Posts including the 1st one when this was posted back in June...

http://www.glamisdunes.com/invision/index....t&p=3745967

Now that it is on the books and too late....this thread will go 10 pages right?









:soapbox:

That may be true, Mac. But, what's to stop them after the law goes into effect, to start going back more and more years. Like the efing diesel smog shit!

Never even saw it in June! Maybe if these important topics go somewhere instead of disappear. It would have gone 10 pages.

X2! Lets have a rally down this guys street. Jackass!

Loud Pipes = Small Weenies

Lets be real here, quiet pipes do not kill riders, splitting lanes do. California bike riders ride like idiots. Sorry if this hurts your delicate little feelers, but you do!!! And really, it isn't just a few crotch rocket riders spoiling it for you responsible ones, I see Harleys, Aspencades, dual sports, Cops, kids, all kinds of bikes and riders doing this.

There is talk in another thread about Can and Should. Yes, you CAN ride between cars with 3" of clear air between your handle bars and each car, but SHOULD you? Then you blame the car drivers because YOU are cutting it too damn close! Oh, and Heaven help us if you aren't the first to leave a stoplight.

Those little white stripey lines in the middle of the road there, that signifies a lane, where you should travel. Cars have to stay inside the lane, or signal and change lanes, while bikers wiggle back and forth, straddling the line, weaving back and forth across car pool lane lines, it is like it is just a free-for-all out there. No turn signals, coming up between cars well above the flow of traffic speed, but God forbid, I put on my signal and change lanes I didnt see you 10 cars back when I started my lane change.

I know, blipping your throttle with a straight pipe makes you tons safer. Silly me.

Rant off, moving my whiney old azz down off the soap box now.

John

I just want to say that I'm a fan of loud pipes, but there is definitely such a thing as TOO loud. I'm slightly deaf from working in aviation and there are some pipes that just hurt my ears when they go by. It is annoying and deafening. That being said, I don't think there are any aftermarket exhaust systems capable of this DB level without being modified. I think the law should read nothing over 115dB

Post your address and a picture of your vehicle so I can entertain you at home and remove your mirror when I lane split.

Cars have these rules, why shouldnt motorcycles?

I agree with the law.

Your pic tells the story...

Post your address so we can stand out in front of your house with air horns

Would a horn not work?

You're right...YOU'RE A HOMO....quit your crying about loud pipes and lane splitting






2177 Lago Ventana Chula Vista, CA 91914

and...No. My thumb would get tired of constantly holding the horn down.

i get the feeling, some, or most of the "i agree with the law "posts are from people who dont ride . i doubt most riders are advocating straight pipes or driving dangerously , which i am not sure how that relates to the pipe law . the theory is quite simple , make some noise and people dont have to see you to know your there , this theory is used every day with emergency services vehicles , I.E. police , ambulance and fire trucks . think about it , those vehicles are a lot larger than a motorcycle and yet the same concept is used to help avoid trouble , motorcycles are very easy to miss , why not afford a small ammount of extra protection by allowing us to be heard , nobody says we want to run open pipes or drive dangerously , just be heard . tim

Don't use your logic here...those who don't use it don't appreciate being made to look stupid...


But yes...X2

The straight pipes, no worries, couldn't care less. But I have a feeling the that the loud pipes is more "Look At Me!" than "Look out for me!".

The lane splitting, fine, if you would take responsibility for your actions and not get all up in arms when a car is in *YORE* space. There is a reason that lane splitting is not legal in most places.

Make sure that YOU quit crying and whining about four wheelers not looking out for you.

John

Tim, I don't ride on the pavement. But, I know many that do. I sit in traffic most days and I agree it's easy to not see motorcycles, so it's nice to hear that they are there. Agree 100% on emergency vehicles using noise as a way to be seen.

He doesn't have to worry about 4 wheelers anymore, he just has to pay attention to dunes and stop tryin to show off.

It's all about moderation and abuse of privileges. Just like kindergarten. One pinhead ruins it for everybody.

I can empathize with the need to be seen and heard, but c'mon... does your Harley really need to be louder than a space-shuttle launch? And let's face it, can a 6000-dB pipe really compete with a 47-gigawatt sound system that registers on seismographs in China? Couple that with the majority of drivers who put "driving" about fourth or fifth on the list of things they do while driving, and I'm constantly amazed that more bikers aren't greasy smears on the 405.

Just wait. This is only the beginning. Once traffic fatalities go up, lane-splitting will be outlawed. The greenies will make you pull all your performance mods off, and get smogged. And the bubble-wrap crowd will insist on "supplemental stability systems" and "occupant restraint systems" and "cabin intrusion resistance systems" so you'll wind up looking like this:

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Good luck picking up hot chicks.

they went after the 2 strokes, and banned them.
then they went after the youth bikes, and banned them.

Pretty soon you wont have to worry about them banning just the loud pipes.

Its the law, respect it.

That's a slippery slope...

I was wondering what the CA governor was doing while the AZ governor was busy trying to protect our borders??!!!

There gonna ban everything eventually if we let them... Marxist gradualism. (socialist) they are criminalizing society...

man i just wasted 7 bucks that address mac is a fire station......

You're welcome...

X1000! if we take that approach we wont have anything to worry about because we will have nothing left. just because somebody makes a bad law does not mean we should not stand up for what we feel is right . why dont we just roll over on all the closures at the dunes . if we did not fight back ,they would already be completely closed . i dont have to respect a law i fell is wrong , i may have to abide by it , but respect it , no thanks . tim

I'm conflicted. On one hand, I hate the sound of open piped Harley's with a passion. They are as obnoxious as it gets. There is no possibly legitimate reason for your motorcycle to be that loud. It's obvious the only reason for exhaust that loud is for attention, otherwise people with it wouldn't be revving their bikes constantly when at a stop. Those bikers don't understand that other people are staring at them because they are a nuisance, not because they look cool. On the other hand, there must have been state laws already on the books to deal with this. This is just another way for the government to restrict how people modify their vehicles. We have enough of that from CARB.

The mentality summed up:

I commuted on a street bike for 2 years and agree with the fact that the stock exhausts are too quiet. I also agree that there are some bikes that are so loud Im tempted to run the dude over. 80/20 rule. 20% of the riders(aka jackasses) cause about 80% of the problems.

i can always use the air horn at glamis....for the loud pipe 3 am carbuerator cleaning clowns...

Why not just impose a decibel limit like they do on cars? I can understand having it louder (I did it, once upon a time).

On the other hand, I can't stand some of the pipes guys throw on their Harleys. I think there should be some sort of limit, since you're allowed to ride motorcycles at any time during the day or night, but you're not allowed to do other, similarly noisy things in public.

I agree with the law also........And wasn't lane splitting allowed back when the law was passed so that the air cooled bikes would not overheat? Now everyone thinks they need to get to their destination quicker than everyone else, and louder than everyone else.....