My friend stepped into his coach for a beverage and came out to a BLM ranger writing him a ticket for parental neglect. For leaving his kids unattended riding on their track. and what a pryck he was too, trying to escalate the anger of my friend. Azzhole took pure enjoyment in it. This was a closed in kid track with flag streamers put up between giant cones. and several other RV's with people in them too. By no means a unsafe environment, but nobody happen to be outside standing by the track right when Rambo arrived. Luckily nobody was arrested for child porn or kidnapping or murder or something.... I know these rangers witness some horrible accidents so I shouldn't complain about rules that save lives. But they should always be respectful to the public and leave their miserable lives at home. Rant off

Wowwww!!!!!! I woulda blew my cork for sure... jebbessssusssss..........

I wonder if CPS has to make an appearance per law??

so sad what a police state CA has become.

I would have just said those aren't my kids...

where was this at?

Behind the vendors in the flats

Wow, hardly ever see any enforcement in that area.
I woulda thought somewhere on Gecko

My cousin got one last year in the South Dunes. He was inside his toyhauler watching out the window. When he explained this to the leo, he asked, "then why didn't you come out when I pulled up?" My cousin explained he watched him pull up and didn't feel there was any reason to make contact.

Don't let your kids play in the backyard unattended!!!!!! What a joke!

i understand your rant ,but they are kids. just like a swimming pool you should never leave them for a second.i too am guilty of the same situation.but have not been harmed by me going to the trailer for a minute.just like they say (it only takes a second).it really boils down to how well you know the kids ability to ride .but the officers dont know that. i do call bs on the ticket but it is their job .right

If he witnessed them being unsafe or in danger, yeah I would agree.......

BLM is federal law isnt it ?

true . i totally agree, problem is the officer may not have a clue what is appropriate riding behavior for these kids.ive seen some very young kids who ride and understand riding better than way older kids.only the parents truly know their kids abilities to ride. but we are talking about a kiddie track and it sounds like money generation to me on this one. maybe a said warning would have been more effective in my opinion.

How old is your kid? Have either of you taken the safety class?

What's the officer/Ranger to camper ratio? My guess is that if they let everything little slide, some of them would never see anything to ticket. Plus, if they let the little things slide, people take it for granted that it's okay to do...

Do you think it is okay to let young kids ride unsupervised?

Kind of wondering the same thing. Even if the kids had taken the safety course, they still need to be surpervised. Most times, I think a little education about the laws would go alot further than a ticket would. I wish the LEO's would practice more of the "Spirit of the Law" versus the "Letter of the Law."

"Spirit of the Law" versus the "Letter of the Law" doesn't exist.
they created "Zero tolerance" which removes the need for "Common Sense"

Yeap. But a guy can wish can't he?

If my memory serves me right, if the kid is under 14 then then he or she must be supervised by an adult with a safety cert. or the child must have the safety cert. and still be supervised.

I didn't do any real stupid stuff until I was 16+ and unsupervised. Before that I was always driving with people watching me.

I always love when these start out this way. I left for a minute (AKA 30 minutes) and when I came back............

Wheres the accountability. Been going to glamis since the 90's and have never had an issue. But my friends have..

i think we were camped right next to you

Well, folks, I’m not saying there aren’t chicken s$it tickets being written. There are. And I have to agree that there certainly appears to be less ‘common sense’ options being exercised by the ISDRA LEO’s right now.

That being said, children under the age of (I believe it’s 14) are to be supervised at all times by an adult. Period.

We’ve had one of our club members get the same ticket, for the same thing. Though they were unsupervised for more then ‘just a minute’.

I see kids under the age of 10, unsupervised in kiddy tracks out there all the time and it scares me to death because of all the nut case camp racers, both quad and sand car, Ricky racing around at high speed with limited visibility near camp.

I bet your friend doesn’t take his eyes off his kids ever again, eh?


Same thing goes for trash. We've had one member of our group get the 'Littering' ticket for cans left at the fire the night before that they would have picked up, just didn't get to it first thing the next morning.
So now, we all make a special effort to keep trash off the ground in camp at all times. Even if that means picking up someone else's (from our camp) every now and then.
And something is wrong with that how????

I rest my case.

Yeah, and he was going into his coach to get a "beverage"? What kind of beverage was he getting? Kids should be supervised out there at ALL times...period.

Define kids...
There's a few 10-12 year olds in my camp that have more sense than half the washes....
Also, just because there's nobody sitting right at the track, doesn't mean 3 sets of grandparents aren't keeping an eye out on them..

This is a JUDGEMENT call..
Eff the BLM for questioning my judgment..
You can come over and ask me about what's going on if it would make you feel more comfortable, but don't cite me as a negligent parent.

It only takes a second for someone in a buggy or truck to come screaming through a kiddie track. It may only take another second for someone waving there hands above there head to grab the attention of that buggy or truck driver.

I have seen it where a kid maybe 16 in a buggy was haulin ass across the flats and headed right for the kids riding around a track between bushes. Mom jumped up and started waiving her hands and screaming and the kid slowed down and veered off. You just never know.

Why is it the government's job to decide how I care for my children? Not saying it's a bad idea for parents to be watching their kids, just wondering how it's even possible (constitutionally) to legislate it.

still no word on how old these kids are..

Curious, at what age are they not considered a kid that needs watched? At what age do people feel the kid is old enough to be able to go cruise small dunes without parental supervision(but with friends)?

anyone know what the laws are regarding this?

I'm Certified and so is my 7 year old son.

My son can only ride if there is an adult supervising him and the other kids he may be riding with.
My other smaller kids can only ride if I am supervising them.

I or the other adults are either riding alongside the kids or sitting in direct view of the area they are riding.

It's that simple, there are no deviances of that - period.

I know the law and more importantly I know that kids unsupervised can get hurt.
I would DIE if any of my kids or others in camp got hurt or killed because one of the responsible parents could not get off their ass to actually be a part of the Family experiance I feel that Glamis should be.

Now, watching your kids from the trailer....that sucks, but its a valid ticket. You can see your kid, but not any other quad, SxS, Rail etc....that could be comming their way.





Need to get certified?

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/elcentro/re...v_training.html

American Desert Foundation is doing classes in GLAMIS....do you need to be spoon fed too?

http://www.americandesertfoundation.com/

my daughter is certified.. and according to that,she can't ride without direct adult supervision.. she is 13.. I actually find that funny.. Those that know her will understand why..

I think there isn't a single person on this board that rather see them write tickets for people camp racing (15mph within 50 feet from camp). I have never seen them policing the camp racers ever!!

Sorry about the ticket, it is the law, even though a simple warning would have sufficed.

thats because she can ride her 450 better than alot of the peeps out there!

Tuffest part is finding Adults who can keep up with her.

"sorry officer, I was trying to keep an eye on my daughter but she lost me about a half mile back and I still haven't been able to catch up"

I'm curious about this one:

V C Section 38503 Conditions for Operating Minors
Conditions for Operating: Minors
38503. No person under the age of 18 years, on and after January 1, 1990, shall operate an all-terrain vehicle on public lands of this state unless the person satisfies one of the following conditions:

(a) The person is taking a prescribed safety training course under the direct supervision of a certified all-terrain vehicle safety instructor.

(b) The person is under the direct supervision of an adult who has in their possession an appropriate safety certificate issued by this state, or issued under the authority of another state.

© The person has in possession an appropriate safety certificate issued by this state or issued under the authority of another state.

Added Ch. 881, Stats. 1987. Effective January 1, 1988.

What if the rider, who is under 18, has a valid CA Driver's License ?

SO TRUE!!!

It was windy outside, I was watching from the window. The officer told me that because he could get to my son faster than I could that I was getting a ticket. I was annoyed, nobody wants a ticket. But after I thought about it, he was right. A few seconds can make a difference.

Now we both have our safety certification also.

I don't understand why we are suppose to sympathise with the people who bitch and moan about the LEO's catching them breaking the law.

Many posts about it and most admit "well, maybe I did do it" but they don't want to be held accountable when caught. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

A family in our group got the same ticket four of five years ago. His daughter was riding in camp and we were all out side watching her. We had a box trailer parked inside our circle of trailers and when she would go around the box trailer, she was out of our sight thus not being supervised. He was written a ticket on those grounds. He paid rather than spending the money to fight it.

Unfortunately the law is the law. We may not agree with it but we have no choice to abide by it. My son and the rest of the kids in my camp all have extremely good riding skills and are all taught to ride responsibly and not do stupid things. I agree that accidents do happen, not much we can do about it but if they want to go out as a group and take a ride together, I will still let them. I trust them to ride responsibly and safely. Alot of what goes on with the ticketing is not from the responsible parents but from the irresponsible ones. The Leos are just out there doing what they are paid to do. Do they need to give tickets and harass people? Probably not, a simple warning would be sufficient but on the other hand with the economy the way it is, I would not be surprised to see that they are issuing more and more bogus tickets just to bring in more revenue. I do seem to be hearing more and more stories about bogus tickets and harassment.

funny thing is the 10 and 11 year olds he is talking about could out ride the LEO's... But he is right, it is the law, if they decide to write the ticket there isn't a lot we can do other then come here and bitch about it..

Too bad they weren't this strict with rules at "other" places in the dez...

they aren't that strict.. that is why our kids get away with going out riding together everyday with no adults there...

That's it! I'm not gonna let Crusty ride my grown-man Rappy anymore. You'll have to stick to your 250...I don't want to get a ticket for allowing a gurly man ride a manly man's quad.

I was also talking about yours too. That would be funny to watch the kids outrun the LEOs. Does that make me a bad parent?

I've told Conner before, " I don't think they'll catch you in the dunes, maybe you just didn't hear them say 'Stop' "

Mac already thinks I'm a bad parent