who have you used? i hear alot on this board about poundsand. Just seeing who else tunes shocks as well..

call Ed "poundsand" you will drive away in a new car, with the way it feels when he is done. Hes a great guy too.

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Eds the man. He will dial your car in! And you will learn alot in the process.

X3, he's the "Shock Whisperer".

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That's so funny cause that is exactly what my buddies nick named him while he was working on my car. Ed is a great guy and loves to talk !!!

what does it cost to have somebody tune shocks?

Poundsand. I was more than happy after I handed over my cash.

Cost depends on your setup and what you want done.

Ed is the man. Worth the money!

i only hear eds the man on here but when i read my pm's and talk to others i hear different about him... theres got to be others that tune shocks as well..

I bet you got more PM's than posts.. I know I did when asked..

lol your right!!

if you have kings maybe try this guy...

http://www.glamisdunes.com/invision/index....howtopic=226347

I had Ed tune my car when I first got it, and was far from happy. I was real sceptical when he started making huge adjustments to both the tube settings as well as the rear coilovers (raised the ride height and basically took all of the droop out) without ever driving the car. It made no sense to me how someone could start adjusting on a car that was as unique as mine without a test drive. After he was done, my car was so bad through any whoops it wasn't funny. When I would go over the top of a ridge, the rear end wanted to buck up in the air so bad it felt like I was going to flip. I spent the next few trips undoing what he did and then some. I will say that I got a great driving lesson from him, but it wasn't worth the $400 it cost me for an hour and a half of his time.
My previous car that I had had Kings, and I paid $400 to Gerardo Uribe , who is Kings head RnD guy. That was a much different experience.
He basically got in my car and told me to drive like I would normally, and he would tune it to my driving style. After a couple hours of tweaking, it was determined the I needed my bypass's revalved, which was part of the original charge.

thanks i sent him a pm....

I to find Ed tunes the car to his driving style. if your style is different then his you won't be happy. I personally had him revalve my shocks and retune them. I finally ordered bilstiens and had them tune them and the car is the best I have ever been in now. Thanks go out to Joel at bilstein. Ed can drive for sure though. Sean at king tunes as well. I think Justin at AG sand cars also tunes in the sand and brings his scales.

Bearskinner,
Hey did you have Ed revalve your shocks as well as set the clickers or just do clickers?
Nick

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How do you get ahold of Gerardo? Is he on the board?
Nick

I have heard that Brett King will tune at Glamis as well? Apparently once a season he does a 'dune n' tune' ? And apparently will setup shocks for free / low cost?

I desperately need some help with my car as well! Please send PM's my way

I'm in Phoenix and also need some major help with my shocks,any help on where to turn would be greatly appreciated.

Gerardo works at King in Garden Grove.

I personally have had Ed tune 2 of my cars and have been very happy.

Bret from King and his crew came out to Glamis and worked in conjunction with Glamis Fab and tuned a bunch of cars. Not sure if they will be doing another one this season but call King to see if they have it planned. They brought a trailer and were swapping springs and making adjustments, don't know if they were revalving.

I love your suspension tuning honesty, to bad my engine tuning post didn't get the same honesty.

Big Dan, I've been called alot of things, but dishonest is not one of them. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with your motor, all I can say is that I couldn't ask for more from those guys.

Sorry, I was not questioning your honesty in life just the details within. How many rebuilds makes a company good or bad?

wow!
Thats really funny! When you first came to me, you basicly didnt know much about your car! And you sure didnt know what you really wanted to do with it yet! Off road, or sand dunes? I did not valve your car! And your springs were wrong! None of my doing!! If you wanted something different, all you had to do is ask! That is part of the deal! I surely cant help you if you cant tell me what it is you really want? I have to guess!

An off road, hard dirt, go fast set-up is quite different from a sand tune! If fact! A dirt tune is much more sloppy than a sand tune! Most dirt guys like to go straight and fast, while real dune guys (and girls) like to turn and burn!!
And i am valving shocks now to get great aspects of both dirt and sand for the sand folk!

Surf and dune has one car, unique to himself maybe, and now he is an expert! Thats cool !
Sorry you feel the way you do. But when you have driven and seen the inside of as many shocks and cars as i have, Your are right in the fact that I DONT need to drive most cars before i touch them! I am done putting myself in danger, thrashing my back, driving some of these cars! Yes! thats how bad some of them are!
So, go out and drive a few hundred dirt and sand cars, as well as probably a thousand different dirt bikes and then maybe you will understand!

I am all for all the suspension guys out there! call them, use them! And good luck !

As the saying goes, you cant please all the people all the time! But you can please most of the people, most of the time!

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One thing is true about suspension tuning. Once you get your car tuned it will go faster with your same skill level. Now your confidence will build and your skill level will grow as well. So it is not uncommon for the suspension to need to get tuned up after you get a bit better at driving your car, which will increase the overall speed of your runs.

The cool thing about ED "Poundsand" is that he will fine tune your car as you get better. I have experienced it myself where he tuned my car and now I need it fine tuned. He told me to come over and he would gladly adjust it.

So I would say go with Ed cause he is out there all the time and is willing to help you as your skill level progresses. He did a good job with my car and gave me alot of good driving tips.

Just my $0.02.

1. I ain't laughin.

2. Sort of true. Yes, my car was new to me, but I knew what I wanted. I wanted to use my car in the sand as well as the hardpack with as little adjusting as possible.

3. You said my springs were too stiff / heavy. If your right, I still to this day don't understand why you would add more preload to them by lowering the collars as much as you did, basically taking all of the droop out. Either way, after your adjustments, the rear end felt like a pogo stick, and was a complete disaster in any whoops or bumps. After some advice of some of our mutual freinds, I raised the collars back up, in fact a little more than how it came originally, played with the bypass settings, and I couldn't be happier with my ride.
As it is now, I can back off the compression a bit and have a nice plush ride in the hardpack, or bump it back up and attack some G-outs without bottoming.

4. I never claimed to be an expert, thats your self imposed title. I will stand behind my statement however, that my car is fairly unique. As far as I know, there are only 2 other Mosebilts that are similar to mine, and I don't think you worked on them. ( I could be wrong )
I know you worked on a car with the same chassis before mine, but that car had a 2d, mine has a much heavier Albins, 2.5s in the rear compared to my 3.0s, and no bypass's in the front.

5. You may want to believe that statement, but I call BS. For all you knew, my car could have been just fine. I might give you the benefit when it comes to cars that you've done time after time, like SCUs Limos, etc. I can see how an "expert" could look at a car thats similar to many others hes done, and make some changes without driving the car, but to make such drastic changes to a package that you've never driven is just wrong. The way my car handled after you touched it is proof. And common Ed, enough with this crap that you might hurt yourself if you just get in someones car before you adjust it. No one said you have to jump in and goes balls out right away.

6. Ed, you obviously have alot of happy customers and I don't question their support of you. I will say though that there are many around here that did not have such a good experience, and have just decided to keep it on the down low.

FWIW here are a couple of pics of my car. The first is right after Ed worked on it. Notice how low the rear shock collar is, and the fact that the car has almost no droop left in it even with some weight in it.
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This is how it sits now.
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you can please some of the people some of the time ...but you cant please all the people all the time
lots of peps here have been real happy with Pound Sand and for them thats great .. as far as the others ..well i guess they are better at there own tunning now

whoever you have do your suspension,make sure they have "you drive w/ them in the passenger seat" and tell them what you like and dislike.
i also had Ed do my suspension and it did turn out better then it was,but thought it still needed work.he raised the rear too high taking away alot of the droop.he said the car wasn't using the whole shock.but when it was raised,my cv's clicked like crazy because of the angle,so i took the preload back to where it was.

Go to who ever "tuned" this guys car.

Fixed it for ya!

Now that's awesome.

"I dare you to try a bunny hop."
"Okay!"

NOT If it was tuned properly that would'nt of happened.

I thought it soaked up those whoops nicely.........

That guy was up to high on his wheelie and engine cage caught a whoop.

That is something I didn't think needed explained. Guess I was wrong.

Surf and Dune
You are right on

I happen to be there in person to watch that . It was a Elite car . He made tons of passes that week or weekend and he was kicking ass and taking names before that !


Sh*t Happens

Don't get me wrong. I thought this car took it well. A lot of cars would have eaten $hit in that same situation.

I would think that if the car was soaking every thing up, the front would not have recoiled so severly as to bunny hop the whole car 7 feet into the air. But that's JMO.

At those speeds up on the cage sh*t just happens. That car looked to take it pretty well!

JMO also ...Watching In slow motion. The front end was bottomed out and looked like it hit a hump making the car jump . Which threw the car up .

Like i said before! You cant seem to please everyone! But "surf and dune" says there are a lot of unhappy people! I know of a couple of them, and as far as the rest! Why havent they called or contacted me!! Sounds weird that all these people would not want their stuff worked out ! Thats part of the deal! Many more hundreds of car owners out there are way way happy with their set ups and I am always here to help and make any, if any adjustments !
Seams like your freinds would rather hide out and complain than pony up a phone call or a message to discuss the problem! I am a listener too, and try to tune to the owners needs and wants!
"Surf and dune" even wrote that when he came to me it was his first time in the dunes with his new car!!! he had no clue what he wanted or needed! So I was left to guess for him! And off road set up is way different than a sand set! And to add, i DID NOT revalve or respring his car, I only set up what he had and told him, like everyone else, that as you change things, like springs, or valving, i would continue making adjustments (at no added cost!) and suggestions!

For example---you want your room painted, and you want it painted blue, but your not sure what kind of blue! So, as an experienced painter, you suggest some blues you think the customer will like after talking with them! The customer says ok! And you tell the customer that you will change it if needed!
But after its done, they dont seem to be happy! But instead of calling and entering in any discussion about making it right, they choose to hide out and complain to others! oh!! And then go a step farther and point the blaime on other problems that the painter as nothing to do with!!

Let me see here??? OH!! Maybe some proper CV maintanence?? Hello!!!!! Some people out there feel there CVs should last forever without maintanence! Come on! If you have a beef with your CVs, then call the manufacturer and whine at them! Or check to see if there is any lube left on those puppies! If they are clicking, that is the CVs way of saying--Hey dude!! Im kinda dry and wore out in here!! HELP ME! Im going to explode and leave you stranded in a bowl somewhere dork!!!!
I get under my car and slab grease on my CVs EVERY OTHER TRIP!!! If your CVs click or blow up, its no ones fault but your own! I check all cars for CV angles, and if you need straps!! If you want to run at little baby angles, then you have to say so, and we can set you car up for the go low and slow, and no maintanence package!!

A small percentage of you duners out there need to man up and take responsibility of you own actions as a car owner if thats possble!!

Late!!

Can't make everyone happy Ed. You have literally hundreds of super happy customers like myself who recommend you over and over again.

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