thanks, Frank... I'm gonna look into that for sure... after thanksgiving... everyone's gotta be busy right now... when are you heading out to G next??

Hey Sal,
Lets go for a ride! I know this little place thats just southwest of here..

Bigger sprocket in back is less top end. You get there quicker but you top speed will come down.

Few people have a flavor for top speed in the dunes anyways.. More punch is to take a tooth off the front. Sure you loose a bit more top end, but you rip throgh the gears faster and have a bit more torque that us 'bigger' folk need!
See ya soon bro....

If your peggin 5th all the time then take the 2 you added off the rear and remove more.. this will increase your top end, but off the line torque will suffer.. know what I mean?

[ 11-21-2002, 12:45 PM: Message edited by: Chummin ]

I dropped three teeth on my rear sprocket!!!
Went from 50 to 47 tooth rear, can't wait!
Need More Speed !

yeah, I think I'll go with the smaller sprocket in the front for us 'big folk'. I bet it'll finally make my sixth gear useful for something, cuz now, sixth is useless. Yeah, Chumster, we need to go riding again, soon. I think my last final will be the 12th or 13th of December, so hopefully I'll make it to your gathering as well. It'll be cool to see the Escomeister, and all the others who won't be out for TG. Thanks for all the advice, fellas.

[ 11-21-2002, 06:00 PM: Message edited by: SAL ]

Some good tips here. I agree with the counter-shaft sprocket change (cheap tip), shaving the head to still run premium unleaded is another good one, and for duning I agree with the poster that said get rid of the Geckos and get Haulers. Haulers are NOT only hill shooting tires, they are all around great tires. If you can ride a Banshee then turning a Banshee with Haulers in the sand is simple. You will pick up at least 3mph on the top-end with the right Haulers and move a helluva lot more sand.

Geckos are decent all-around sand tires, but NOT what you want. My next tip would be like another poster said, do a mild port job (there are many people who can do it) and that will make a HUGE difference in the overall product. The only problem with running advanced timing on a milled head Banshee is fuel quality of premium unleaded in CA.

1. Countershaft sprocket change
2. Mill head for pump gas
3. Get Haulers
4. Mild recreational port job (Duncan, Trinity, the list goes on)

Have Fun!!

hey Raptor, when you say counter... do you mean both sprockets, or just the front one?? and, do haulers really make that much of a difference??

THANKS!!!

[ 11-21-2002, 06:31 PM: Message edited by: SAL ]

deffintly go /w/ the haulers on the blue label rims "v" force reeds might work for you also . i know some guys who like Vito's timeing key but i don't know that much about them . but if you want real power improvements save your money do your research then go big can you say 420 long rod

sorry, can't say that... haha. I have black label rims, I think in the rear where the geckos are... if I werer to get haulers, I'd probably save some cash and keep the rims...

well /w/ the black label rims you don't have't to worry about the front tires landing first.You can allways sell the tires & rims to somebody else or put dirt yuck tires on the rims latter . just refer to that post about rotating mass .

does it matter if I don't plan on getting the wheels off the ground??

Sal. Seriously, you can find someone to buy your Geckos and black labels and maybe just lose a couple of bones. Your question was make my Banshee a little faster and the responses from people are right on IMO. When you put Geckos and black label wheels on it is like putting 33" monster mudders on a 4 banger Toyota 4x4, it does the job but it sucks power because of all that weight.

Putting Haulers and blue labels will make a significant difference in your dune riding experience and it is a modest upgrade, because you can sell the other stuff easily.

My only problem with the degree key to advance timing is if he uses the forums recommendation of a shaved head for pump gas. The increase in cylinder pressure coupled with the advanced timeing will be border line for that crappy CA fuel.

On the countershaft question, that is the front sprocket, that is all you need for your low budget upgrade.

Raptor727, thanks a lot... You, along with everyone else, have given me great advice...

Banshee/Quads 101 hehehe

Ok, Sal, Just make sure the thing is jetted correctly. Do a throttle chop and reference your spark plug to this http://www.dansmc.com/Spark_Plugs/Spark_Pl...gs_catalog.html

You know what, drop a tooth on the front sproket or two in the back. Look into some porting from Trinity. It's not that much money and you can still use pump gas. The porting helps get the fuel mixing with the air better. You get a better burn. Go to a bit larger carb(but lots of cash). Get the porting. And I can't tell you how important it is to be jetted correctly. Of course, if you're running a little lean you're getting a bit more power. Problem with getting more power out of a Banshee is everything is twice as much as a Honda.

[ 11-25-2002, 10:46 PM: Message edited by: BamBam ]

BamBam you the man... thanks!

I think that you should keep the geckos and drop a tooth on the front. I have had several sets of haulers and I thought they were great until I rode with the geckos. I have a better hole shot and I can turn better. I mean turn, not just slide like I did with the haulers. I never would have thought it, but I think the geckos are the way to go. Just my 2 cents.

Sal I went to a 1342 and I weigh 220 and have pipes, raised comp, 2-1 carb kit and it is not enough. I am going to go to a 43 rear now and try that.

[ 12-02-2002, 11:16 PM: Message edited by: leadfoot350 ]

that's a big 10-4

what size should I get, Raptor 727?

Buy Honda parts......they work better then those yamaha parts. Just weld them on!

Sal, I wrote trinity and basically asked them the same quesion. The tech had this to say.

No question about the engine I would tell you to do. I would do the stage II porting and head work it will run you 350.00 for the port and 138.o00 for the full head mod with our turbo pattern. If you ask around I'm sure you will find that this is a very reliable and strong running kit. With the pipes and reeds that you have we are talking about reliable 65hp. If you want to step it up a little I would consider the Pro MX porting, this will run 450.00. add to this a single carb 35PWK and you are tearing it up.

I run toomey T5's and have stock reeds. I think he mis-read my email and thought that I have the VForce reeds. I would stick with the gecko tires till you get your motor work done then decide if you need new tires. 20 xtra horsepower for $550 is a great way to spend the money. I run haulers but for duning, I would rather use v paddles like the edge. I will get v's next but the haulers are weaing so slow, it might take another 4 years to get new tires.

I can vouch for what Trinity told you. I had the Stage II porting and their head, and it dyno'd at around 68HP. It's been bulletproof. Good luck!

Well, I said it was only my $0.02. Like I said I have had Haulers on both my other Banshees and I would say I may have lost a little on the top end, but overall I would pick them over the Haulers. I do more dune riding then hill shooting so I really could care less about 3mph on the top. Everyone in our group had Haulers and were really impressed with the way the Geckos handled.