No heat, but food for thought...

Is there proof that use of personal water craft, 2-stroke or otherwise, ruins the beauty of places like Tahoe?

First it is two-stroke jet skis. Then all jet-skis and snowmobiles. Then 4x4 access on the Rubicon trail (which ends in Tahoe). Then all motorized boating. If it was up to them, all we could do is hike, swim and canoe.

You've got to look deeper into these organizations to see what their real intent is. "Keep Tahoe Blue" is a great slogan. Who wouldn't want to keep our water's clean and blue? Environmental groups love to use this type of marketing because it brings in lots of cash. But if you choose to support this organization, you are also supporting efforts to eliminate motorized access on and around the lake.

Jon

Not even that in some places... think Oceano and most of Oregon's coastline.



Vicki

and that's only the beginning ... pretty soon
they'll restrict ALL access to these areas unless
you belong to their group ....

My point is, they don't either.

Would be interesting to know how easily these oils break down in saltwater.

Coconut oil for all those nice tans, for instance... it leaves a colorful film on the water but is it tasty to the fish?

How much oil is spilled into the water by the personal watercraft anyway? And how much of that versus all that deep tanning slickery? How about sunscreen? Is there more of one than the other?

What is the breakdown of the substance? Is there evidence that it is truly detrimental to the flora and fauna or is this just another case of "it seems like it would be?"

If we "go along" with the idea that 2-strokes are harming our waterways without demanding proof, how long will it be before sunbathers must suffer the same fate?

That's what the land lovers face every day... our tires, the noise of our bikes, the way we ride... the average joe responds with "it seems like it would be" whenever he's asked "is a dirtbike bad for the earth?"

Seems like and found to be are two different things.

Vicki

I hear what your saying Vicki but if you have ever been to Lake Tahoe its a very cold lake even in the middle of summer that place is freazing.... I agree that sunscreen is just as bad....I just dont think that would be a problem up there...

I think the only reason I started this thread is cause I have heard its bs about 2stroke ban on certain lakes... I honestly dont agree with some of the lakes.. But Tahoe is just one of those awesome places that I enjoy... Maybe because of the peacefulness and beauty...

My dad sold his sea-doo which was a 2stroke and I loved that thing.. I wouldnt mind getting the same kind.. But for what its worth I wouldnt fight tryin for me to be able to use it up there. Basically thats all Im tryin to say...


LOL and basically I was kinda bored and wanted to post in enviromental section since I never have... I didnt wanna be anti anything.. Just state my personal opinion on LAKE TAHOE...

I completely understand

I feel the very same way about Yosemite. I love that place and think it would be awesome to do some leisurely quad riding there.

But I'd never do it.

And thanks, by the way, for making your statement even if it was out of boredom... it helped grease the skids for more conversation

Vicki