I just got a brochure this morning from California OHV Division about the Non Resident OHV permit. I was under a mistaken impression that AZ residents could operate OHV in California, but I'm now finding that they, for the most part, need such a Permit.

"California now has a Nonresident OHV Use Permit Program so that out-of-state visitors can help contribute to the construction an maintenance of California's OHV facilities. The Permits ('stickers') cost $ 20.00 per year and are required for all OHVs that do no have a valid permit/registration from their home state. If your OHV has a valid permit/registration from your home state, you do not have to buy a California Permit - we call this 'reciprocity'. "Arizona residents should note that unless their OHV is registered for use on streets and highways, the plate issued to them is for "title" only and is not considered a legal "registration" plate in California." (Emphasis Added)

So, from what I read here, AZ residents need a Out-of-State Resident permit to visit, among other places, the ISDRA.

Wow-that is exactly opposite of what has always been said about the green sticker, IIRC even the info the BLM has put out.
Really sucks since the ISDRA keeps getting turned down for requests on this "green sticker" money anyway

2 seasons ago it cost us $30 to go to the dunes for a year with 3 OHV's. This year, including these stickers, it will cost us $150-$90 for a pass and $60 for 3 permits

And what services do we receive for this 500% increase in fees?

Something in this wording just seems a little strange to me. That added part about "title" really threw me off.

So I called California State Parks and said "If an Arizona resident has their OHV registered in Arizona, do they have to purchase the non-resident sticker in order to ride in California?"

She said "No, as long as the Arizona registration is current and up to date."

Vicki

I'm on the phone right now with AZ MVD and also am waiting for Neil Hamada from the BLM to call me back. What Vicki posted above is what we have always understood to be true also.

The information I posted was from a new brochure that came from "The California Nonresident OHV Permit Program" - California Department of Parks and Recreation - Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation Division.

So, if indeed the call Vicki speaks of was accurate information from the Division, then the plot thickens.

I think the key here is the term "registration". From what I can understand of this brochure, it would appear that AZ folks have a "title tag" and not a "registration tag". Thus, California finds that a Nonresident Permit is required.

According to AZ MVD our rails and quads ARE "registered" as OHV's and should be covered under "reciprocity".
Still waiting to hear back from Neil...

I just faxed the document to Vicki.

Not knowing Arizona law, I'm more confused now than before.

The guy that heads this Nonresident program for the OHV Division is a good friend and rarely makes a mistake on matters such as this.

He is out of town on vacation for a couple of weeks, so getting a straight answer might prove to be difficult. Vicki, as a member of the Stakeholders group might have access to some folks I don't know.

I'm interested to see what she finds out.

The problem is the definition of the term "registered" and how it has been interperted in the past vs. how it is apparently now being interperted.

In AZ registration and title are two very separate things - but with an OHV you get a plate as soon as your vehicle is titled. The only time you need to "register" your OHV in AZ is if you want to be street legal with it. Obviously this is a VERY different situation than what CA has.

In the past we've been told that as long as you have an AZ plate you're OK. But even my landlord found that was not always the case and hung his plate on the wall in the garage and started buying the out of state stickers instead after getting pulled over too many times just becuase he had an AZ plate on his rail in the dunes.

The AZ Department of Fish and Game has a good pamphlet about this which I first became aware of last year when I got a copy of it at the Yuma Sport Show, it's available on-line here: http://www.gf.state.az.us/pdfs/outdoor_rec...tv_brochure.pdf

The interesting part is this:

I say ignore the punitive rule... take your ticket... and then dare them to extradite you!

So based upon what Jason has posted, it would appear to me that Arizona folks who visit OHV areas in California are indeed required to purchase a Nonresident OHV permit.

I'd be careful about the getting the citation, as the "Terminator" is looking for revenue and might well have a law on the books to impound vehicles that don't comply.

Sorry no stickers are allowed on my quad I payed to have my quad registered and my gov says it's good enough so your gov has to recipicate not only that but my gov will kick your gov's arse not going to give the wacked out state of confusion aka Cali one red cent

When you buy a quad in Arizona, you get a title AND an off road registration plate with a paper registration.

I guarantee it!!!! You ATV is registered for offroad use. ALL Az residents must have their OHVs titled and registered.

The brochure writer is mis-informed!

Damn....I sure am glad I don't live in AZ..... ...you guys are screwed up worse then WE are!!!!!

I am now in the same situation. Take it to DMV and highway patrol and they can tag/serial number it.

I received a bit more information about this subject today.

According to the person I spoke with at the California OHV Division, the Arizona OHV registration program is somewhat convoluted compared to the California program.

While he is reading this thread and will likely have more information about this subject in the near future, he provided me a quick bit of information about where the State of California is coming from.

If the Arizona "OHV" plate contains a "RV", it is considered by the State of California as a "title" only "registration". In this case, a "Non-Resident" permit is required to operate an OHV in the State of California.

If, in contrast, the Arizona "OHV" plate contains a "MC", it is considered by the State of California a "street legal" vehicle and acceptable to operate without a "Non-Resident" permit in any California OHV facility, including Federal lands within the boundaries of the State of California.

This is where it doesn't make sense Duck....only if an AZ vehicle is classified as "street legal" is CA considering it registered, but CA vehicles are not being judged under the same standard
My OHV has undergone an inspection by AZ DMV and has an affixed VIN number with paperwork that is ceritfied and stamped and states that it is my "registration". Not only would I need to go through the useless process of making my vehicle "street legal" but I would also then need to INSURE my vehicles, which is NOT required of the CA duners. Guess I'm just not understanding why a dune vehicle from AZ suddenly needs to have a windshield, turn signals, wipers etc to be considered "registered" in CA-things they do NOT require of duners in their own state!
BTW-I'm not looking for an answer or explanation from you, I fully understand you are just passing on info and thank you for doing that

Ok-
Now I AM looking for an answer from you Duck (or at least through you )
Did your friend who wrote the brochure ever get back to you on this?
Thanks-
Julie

He indeed did.

As I stated above, the State of California has determined that:

If the Arizona "OHV" plate contains a "RV", it is considered by the State of California as a "title" only "registration". In this case, a "Non-Resident" permit is required to operate an OHV in the State of California.

If, in contrast, the Arizona "OHV" plate contains a "MC", it is considered by the State of California a "street legal" vehicle and acceptable to operate without a "Non-Resident" permit in any California OHV facility, including Federal lands within the boundaries of the State of California.

I didn't make this finding, I'm only the messenger.

Thanks for the quick response....this has come up again on other boards and the BLM/ICSO is saying they are NOT going to enforce.... Like I said in the other thread, the inconsistency is a real problem!

See here:

http://www.americansandassociation.org/php...pic.php?t=16532

You hit the nail right on the head Bob!

ya..sounds like a typical lose-lose situation for the zonies. I guess you either pay the graft to the ecos, or takes your chances. Sounds like arizona is being treated like a second class state by the goofballs in sacramento. That's not right....

I think I'm gonna start a list of laws that the BLM has decided to "not enforce" or that they don't know how to enforce.

I mean, the list is getting kinda large.

OK. I have titled two quads and one dirt bike here in the state of Arizona. I however, did NOT get the little license plates to go on them. Why? Because they are around $20 a piece and I didn't see the point. It was an option. It is true that you can get a title without getting a plate.

Potentially I could have trouble here in AZ while out riding around but I don't do much riding in this state anyways. I have copies of all my titles that I will show any BLM Ranger or CHP to prove they are not a California vehicles - that way I don't get hassled for a green sticker.

I have spoken with BLM Rangers in Dumont, Ocotillo Wells, and Glamis and they were not concerned about my bikes at all. All the Rangers in Glamis cared about was that I had my season pass. The rangers in Dumont were advising my dad to hand over the rest of his fireworks. And the Ocotillo Rangers were just out saying Hi.

Will I get in trouble for not having an out ot state permit? Maybe, but I am not worried about it.

BTW-that was $12 each.

So it was $12 for registration plus the $4 for title per bike? That sounds right. Are you in Maricopa county? I wonder if there are different rates for different counties...kind of like not having to smog vehicles outside Maricopa.

Yeah the first thing I am going to say if I get stopped for not having an out of state permit is: "Great, thanks for letting me know, can you sell me one?" Heck I don't even know where to get a sticker if I did want to buy one. It seems lame to me. Next thing you know Arizona will have "out-of-state license plates" so non-residents can ride here. They might already have them....I don't know.

BLM may chose not enforce this provision, but I'm told the Imperial County Sheriff is "ready, willing, and able to do so". Again, this is revenue generation stuff for them and considering the drive for funds at the county level at this time, I suspect they WILL make this a priority.

I'm sorry, but I'm looking at my papers on BOTH my new quads
and they both state "Title & Registration" ....

Below that it states " **VEHICLE REGISTRATION** " and I got
plates w/ both quads!

CA can go eff* themselves! I paid for title and registration for both
quads, even though both aren't street legal, they ARE REGISTERED in
my home state of AZ ....

and I have the plates mounted on both quads! and btw, they
(the plates) do have the "RV" on them, not the "MC" ....


eff* the Communist Republic of California .....

I've read the phrase "not enforce" a couple of times in the posts above. This is NOT what I was told by BLM and ICSO. In fact the the specific law that they are going to follow is listed in the email. Read the posts on the ASA BBS

Since I posted that yesterday, I asked for, and received, further clarification. I see that luvdunin is or has printed out the post. If you have done that you may want to go back and do it again. I added the header info (the dates & To/From) from the 1st email exchange.

Read the posts on the ASA BBS

My bad Glenn....and I even knew that but my fingers overloaded my brain there

Yeah I didn't read that ASA BBS post until just now. I am going to print that out and carry it with my other info. Although, now it looks like I have to go to the MVD fork over a bit more cash and get some of those little plates... Ah, the MVD, maybe I should go today since it is raining, there might be less people.

Ok, I'd like to take this moment to point out to ANYONE who has EVER made the statement about LEO's or the BLM.....

"If you aren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about."

THIS is why you DO have something to worry about EVEN IF you are doing nothing wrong.

THIS is why you NEVER grant permission to a LEO to search YOU or your vehicle.

THIS is why LEO's are looked at with suspicion when they enter my camp...

Listen to this conversation.

Just remember this.

The real test will be when an AZ rider- with an RV plate and their registration papers on them- gets stopped by a LEO (whatever dept. they may be from) and cited for not having an out of state sticker. I can pretty much guarantee it will happen this season, but the problem is we may not ever even hear about it on any of the boards....there are a LOT of duners out there who don't frequent ANY of the boards, so they have no idea this is even an issue nor will they know about the emails from the BLM and ICSO

Today I found another interesting twist on the OHV registration process in Kalifornia.

Seems as if DMV has issued a memo (VR-2004-31) to its offices that in essence states that if a resident of California purchases a new (model year 2003 and newer OHV) in another state that does not comply with our emission standard, then brings it into California and provides DMV with a Manufactures Statement of Origin (“MSO”), DMV will not be able to provide ANY registration to that vehicle. Not even a Red Sticker!

I’m on the trail on this one and am attempting to get a copy of this memo.

The key here is:

you need to be a California resident,

have purchased your quads new out of state, then brought those quads to California (without ever registering them in the state you purchased them in),

the quads are not emission certified (like a YFZ 350 Banshee);

then DMV is instructed to no offer ANY type of registration to you.