Full Version: Dyno Run At Turn Key Engine Supply
I do not own this car nor do I know the person. Watch the video at the 20 second mark. Watch him run the car on the dyno. Now, I have bought a motor from Turn Key in the past and this is exactly how they ran my car. A 2 second pull??? How the hell can you tune anything?
Car looks like it runs pretty hard...
On the Dyno, Turnkey like everyone else pulls top gear from 2000 RPM or where ever the powerband starts and up through Redline. the computer logs the run and then they review it and determine where to adjust fuel / air and timing etc.
On the Dyno, Turnkey like everyone else pulls top gear from 2000 RPM or where ever the powerband starts and up through Redline. the computer logs the run and then they review it and determine where to adjust fuel / air and timing etc.
Very nice. RWHP or Crank HP? Either way she rips the in the dunes.
Im no expert but that car sounded like it was popping alot....
I'm thinking there was another video of the dyno and all he pulled was that 2 second clip.
Bouncing off the rev limiter?
QUOTE (Supreme Air @ Jan 24 2012, 06:57 AM) 
Im no expert but that car sounded like it was popping alot....
Bouncing off the rev limiter?
Popping and what sounds like a Turbo chirping.... No bueno
QUOTE (Supreme Air @ Jan 24 2012, 06:57 AM)
Im no expert but that car sounded like it was popping alot....
I was going to say the same thing.
im sure that wasnt the only pass on the dyno... video editing is to put only the fun parts in the video... im sure no one wanted to see them strapping the car to the dyno either...
I didn't see them put fuel in the car. How did the motor run without fuel?
My point was that this is EXACTLY how they tuned my car. A 2 second pull. I watched this video and saw that I was not the only who had their car tuned like this. How do I know this was a tuning run? Caused I watched them do the same thing on my car. For the dyno to spin up that fast, was there even a load put on the dyno. If there was, it was not a full load. And if it's not loaded correctly, how can you tune the car for a real world scenario? I can't imagine that a no load pull on a Dyno can result the same numbers as pulling Test Hill out in the dunes, as far as A/F ratios. I have had cars tuned by Danzio, Dyno Shop (in Santee) and Crawford performance. None of the mentioned, did Dyno runs in this manner. Just though it was worth noting. And wanted to see what your guys thoughts were on tuning like this.
QUOTE (Heybeerman @ Jan 24 2012, 07:45 AM)
I didn't see them put fuel in the car. How did the motor run without fuel?
We all realize that there were some things we did not see in the video, such as fueling the car, strapping it down and so on. I was just thinking of the things I had seen them do on a first hand basis and wanted to know if this was a regular way to tune cars and or motors.
QUOTE (marlboroman @ Jan 24 2012, 12:41 PM)
QUOTE (Heybeerman @ Jan 24 2012, 07:45 AM)
I didn't see them put fuel in the car. How did the motor run without fuel?
We all realize that there were some things we did not see in the video, such as fueling the car, strapping it down and so on. I was just thinking of the things I had seen them do on a first hand basis and wanted to know if this was a regular way to tune cars and or motors.
I would think that a full dyno pull would be longer than 2 seconds. But maybe, just maybe, they can gather all the info in the two seconds to properly tune???? Just thinking out loud.
QUOTE (The Goo @ Jan 24 2012, 12:45 PM)
QUOTE (marlboroman @ Jan 24 2012, 12:41 PM)
QUOTE (Heybeerman @ Jan 24 2012, 07:45 AM)
I didn't see them put fuel in the car. How did the motor run without fuel?
We all realize that there were some things we did not see in the video, such as fueling the car, strapping it down and so on. I was just thinking of the things I had seen them do on a first hand basis and wanted to know if this was a regular way to tune cars and or motors.
I would think that a full dyno pull would be longer than 2 seconds. But maybe, just maybe, they can gather all the info in the two seconds to properly tune???? Just thinking out loud.
Well, if that's the case, everyone who got charged for 2, 3, 4, or 5 hours of dyno tuning from other tuners got ripped off.
QUOTE (socaldmax @ Jan 24 2012, 01:22 PM)
QUOTE (The Goo @ Jan 24 2012, 12:45 PM)
QUOTE (marlboroman @ Jan 24 2012, 12:41 PM)
QUOTE (Heybeerman @ Jan 24 2012, 07:45 AM)
I didn't see them put fuel in the car. How did the motor run without fuel?
We all realize that there were some things we did not see in the video, such as fueling the car, strapping it down and so on. I was just thinking of the things I had seen them do on a first hand basis and wanted to know if this was a regular way to tune cars and or motors.
I would think that a full dyno pull would be longer than 2 seconds. But maybe, just maybe, they can gather all the info in the two seconds to properly tune???? Just thinking out loud.
Well, if that's the case, everyone who got charged for 2, 3, 4, or 5 hours of dyno tuning from other tuners got ripped off.
No One tunes for 2 seconds -
Here is the way I have seen it many times from lots of builders including TurnKey.
You do at least one off idle to redline pull to get a baseline - look at the numbers - If they look good, you try to better them - its easy to read the numbers - if you are lean you fatten it up, if its rich you lean it out, you drive the timing until the power drops off and back off a bit, you might have to play with fuel pressure, check injectors, plugs etc. It sometimes takes 4-5 hours.
But if you are buying one of their off- the shelf packages like and LS2 500HP, or a "standard build" they already have a tune for it, they download that into your ECM first, take one run, and get the "number" that is advertised on the first pull, you are usually done.
On a good running LS engine a 2000- or 2500 RPM to 5500 RPM redline run is the same as a 30MPH to 100MPH run, maybe 8 seconds or so... FWIW
QUOTE (fullthrottleguy @ Jan 24 2012, 10:10 PM)
QUOTE (socaldmax @ Jan 24 2012, 01:22 PM)
QUOTE (The Goo @ Jan 24 2012, 12:45 PM)
QUOTE (marlboroman @ Jan 24 2012, 12:41 PM)
QUOTE (Heybeerman @ Jan 24 2012, 07:45 AM)
I didn't see them put fuel in the car. How did the motor run without fuel?
We all realize that there were some things we did not see in the video, such as fueling the car, strapping it down and so on. I was just thinking of the things I had seen them do on a first hand basis and wanted to know if this was a regular way to tune cars and or motors.
I would think that a full dyno pull would be longer than 2 seconds. But maybe, just maybe, they can gather all the info in the two seconds to properly tune???? Just thinking out loud.
Well, if that's the case, everyone who got charged for 2, 3, 4, or 5 hours of dyno tuning from other tuners got ripped off.
No One tunes for 2 seconds -
Here is the way I have seen it many times from lots of builders including TurnKey.
You do at least one off idle to redline pull to get a baseline - look at the numbers - If they look good, you try to better them - its easy to read the numbers - if you are lean you fatten it up, if its rich you lean it out, you drive the timing until the power drops off and back off a bit, you might have to play with fuel pressure, check injectors, plugs etc. It sometimes takes 4-5 hours.
But if you are buying one of their off- the shelf packages like and LS2 500HP, or a "standard build" they already have a tune for it, they download that into your ECM first, take one run, and get the "number" that is advertised on the first pull, you are usually done.
On a good running LS engine a 2000- or 2500 RPM to 5500 RPM redline run is the same as a 30MPH to 100MPH run, maybe 8 seconds or so... FWIW
So You are saying that they were just checking their tune, so a 2 second run is fine? Since it was an "off the shelf" build?
It has been 6 years but when we set up my car on the Mustang dyno I was driving on the power tests. I can tell you that they were longer than 2 seconds. The dyno can be loaded to do different types of tests. Here is a link to the Mustang dyno manuel. Go to page 154. For some reason I am remembering around 6 seconds but not sure if it is actually timed or more when you get to peak rpm and let off. I will check on this. BTW I have never seen them do a 1/4 mile or standing start test on the dyno. It is always rolling at a certain speed and then you step down full throttle.
I wouldn't use this video as proof of how any car was dyno'd. What you should all be asking is what is this guy trying to pull, how does this car suddenly become right side drive a 1:02 and then back. It is a video for a car that the owner seems very happy with and put together a nice video nothing more.
QUOTE (SANDPSYCHO @ Jan 25 2012, 11:55 AM)
I wouldn't use this video as proof of how any car was dyno'd. What you should all be asking is what is this guy trying to pull, how does this car suddenly become right side drive a 1:02 and then back. It is a video for a car that the owner seems very happy with and put together a nice video nothing more.
Okay, I'll bite right hand drive? what did they do, shoot the vid in a mirror?
QUOTE (tinytimslaw2 @ Jan 25 2012, 10:14 AM)
QUOTE (SANDPSYCHO @ Jan 25 2012, 11:55 AM)
I wouldn't use this video as proof of how any car was dyno'd. What you should all be asking is what is this guy trying to pull, how does this car suddenly become right side drive a 1:02 and then back. It is a video for a car that the owner seems very happy with and put together a nice video nothing more.
Okay, I'll bite right hand drive? what did they do, shoot the vid in a mirror?
At one minute and two second into the video the guy is alone in the car and sitting in the passenger seat. I don't now maybe it was shot on the other side of the equator.
QUOTE (SANDPSYCHO @ Jan 25 2012, 09:55 AM)
I wouldn't use this video as proof of how any car was dyno'd. What you should all be asking is what is this guy trying to pull, how does this car suddenly become right side drive a 1:02 and then back. It is a video for a car that the owner seems very happy with and put together a nice video nothing more.
3:02 and 3:27 too
QUOTE (marlboroman @ Jan 24 2012, 10:21 PM)
QUOTE (fullthrottleguy @ Jan 24 2012, 10:10 PM)
QUOTE (socaldmax @ Jan 24 2012, 01:22 PM)
QUOTE (The Goo @ Jan 24 2012, 12:45 PM)
QUOTE (marlboroman @ Jan 24 2012, 12:41 PM)
QUOTE (Heybeerman @ Jan 24 2012, 07:45 AM)
I didn't see them put fuel in the car. How did the motor run without fuel?
We all realize that there were some things we did not see in the video, such as fueling the car, strapping it down and so on. I was just thinking of the things I had seen them do on a first hand basis and wanted to know if this was a regular way to tune cars and or motors.
I would think that a full dyno pull would be longer than 2 seconds. But maybe, just maybe, they can gather all the info in the two seconds to properly tune???? Just thinking out loud.
Well, if that's the case, everyone who got charged for 2, 3, 4, or 5 hours of dyno tuning from other tuners got ripped off.
No One tunes for 2 seconds -
Here is the way I have seen it many times from lots of builders including TurnKey.
You do at least one off idle to redline pull to get a baseline - look at the numbers - If they look good, you try to better them - its easy to read the numbers - if you are lean you fatten it up, if its rich you lean it out, you drive the timing until the power drops off and back off a bit, you might have to play with fuel pressure, check injectors, plugs etc. It sometimes takes 4-5 hours.
But if you are buying one of their off- the shelf packages like and LS2 500HP, or a "standard build" they already have a tune for it, they download that into your ECM first, take one run, and get the "number" that is advertised on the first pull, you are usually done.
On a good running LS engine a 2000- or 2500 RPM to 5500 RPM redline run is the same as a 30MPH to 100MPH run, maybe 8 seconds or so... FWIW
So You are saying that they were just checking their tune, so a 2 second run is fine? Since it was an "off the shelf" build?
Not Quite what I said...., I said that if its an off the shelf build and you get the numbers first pull - no reason to do more
And a pull will last as long as it takes to get from the start of the power band usually 2000 RPM to Redline
That makes sense right?
I've had my car dyno'd at Turnkey twice and they ran the car up thru the gears and then while in 4th floored it for awhile, the computer collected the data and this was after a couple of other runs. I felt they were very professional and complete on their testing and I have been very satisfied and this is my second car with a Turnkey motor.
Sorry to hear your experience with them was less than you expected. But Paul and Kobe have always treated me very well.
Sorry to hear your experience with them was less than you expected. But Paul and Kobe have always treated me very well.
bouncing off the limiter, and nice editing with the right hand drive runs, another turnkey saga 
Gave up on Turn Key. CBM all the way now. Cheap, nice, fast, way way more power. Video of just one of about 20 pulls on a new motor. Took it to the dunes totally confident it was going to run right and make a crap load of power. Engine still has a poorly developed and very suspect Turn Key wiring harness I need to replace.
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