Burn
Dec 12 2004, 11:29 PM
I know they used to be semi-popular, anyone here have one or used to have one?
I have the chance to pick one up cheap and was looking for some input.
How much power they make?
What do they weigh?
Thanks everyone.
MANTISmobbin
Dec 13 2004, 06:26 AM
Those are great engines...Ive never seen one in a buggy but I always thought that they would be cool. Dan Vance has been points leader two years in a row in class 1450 MDR, he has a turboed 22 re. go to www.lcengineering.com they have everything you could want for that motor...plus they are very light and can be reved in the high rpm's all day and still be reliable.
XDimitriX
Dec 13 2004, 10:21 AM
I'm pretty sure his motor was NOT turbo. Then he swapped in a 3.4 liter v6. He sold the truck awhile ago anyway, and won this year's points champ in a different truck.
There is a guy on another buggy forum who is running a supercharged 22re. I could give you the url if you want.
drtstar
Dec 13 2004, 10:32 AM
Dan`s truck had a supercharged 3.4 and won last year`s championship! This year He co drove with Austin Farner and won the Championship in "The Piece"! Turbo`s are also illegal in MDR and Score Race`s!
Paleale
Dec 13 2004, 03:33 PM
I am running a built 22R in my buggy what do you want to know? About 100 lbs more than a VW, About 180 hp with a carb. No problems yet ant parts are everywhere.
aquaticwonder
Dec 13 2004, 03:47 PM
got a buddy runnin one alchohol inj turbo putin out almost 450hp lots of work done to it though
oh ya its in a lt baja bug
Burn
Dec 13 2004, 04:21 PM
| QUOTE |
| I am running a built 22R in my buggy what do you want to know? About 100 lbs more than a VW, About 180 hp with a carb. No problems yet ant parts are everywhere |
That answered some of my questions, What kind of carb are you running?I was thinking an OFFY manifold with a 500CFM edelbrock. what transmission do you run behind it? And is the ignition distributor or electronic?
I am kinda old school, I know the benefits of EFI and box ignition, but I like the simplicity and price of carbed distributed motors, and think the perfomance reduction is negligable if prepared correctly.
Paleale
Dec 13 2004, 07:12 PM
I am running a Holley spread bore intake and a Holley 500CFM carb bought and set up by LC Engineering. I also am running a 20R head. Tranny is a built type 1 IRS. The only prob I had with the tranny was I broke a side gear. Other than that all has been good so far. As far as the ignition goes it is stock electronic with the stock Igniter which has to be run (it is part coil part computer), When I get enough money I want to upgrade to a Crane Ignition and a LC Engineering Dist (it has a built in Rev limiter.
Burn
Dec 13 2004, 11:49 PM
Was it difficult to wire the ignition to function properly?
Paleale
Dec 14 2004, 01:19 AM
I think there was only three wires that went to the Coil/Igniter I will check tomorrow for you. I used my brother in-laws old truck for reference and if I remember was pretty simple.
SpitDirtCom
Dec 14 2004, 08:33 AM
| QUOTE (drtstar @ Dec 13 2004, 10:32 AM) |
| Turbo`s are also illegal in MDR and Score Race`s! |
Not in the MDR 1450 class. everything is legal
Burn
Dec 14 2004, 07:17 PM
Do you have the part # for your holley manifold paleale?, I cant find any info on them, thanks for all the help.
TSL Performance
Dec 14 2004, 07:59 PM
First post but it seemed appropriate...
I am running a 22r with a header and a 38 outlaw weber carb. This motor is turnkey and easily adapted with the Kennedy kit. I use my car for hard pack and therfore it makes plenty of horsepower. It was a solid upgrade from my 2000cc VW. H2o cooling is nice also, Fan kicks on at 185 and off at 170. No cooling problems what so ever.
Feel free to contact me if I can be of any help...
The only problem I have is when I get into big whoops the carb floods out and sometimes the motor will stall. It will then fire right up and clean out very quickly. It is very frustrating when there are alot of whoops. I think if I lower the float level and vent the carb into the air filter it may help. If anyone has any info on my carb problem let me know please...
Paleale
Dec 15 2004, 08:51 PM
Hey Burn, Here is the info on the Manifold. It is a Holley Street Dominator Manifold Part # 300-37 For a 20R head (years 1977 thru 1980 Toyota's) I do not know if they make one for a 22R head. You could make an adapter for it .I went to LC Engineering's web site to see if they still sell this manifold and I could not find it. Also I have a 20R Cannon intake with 2 Weber 40mm DCOE's That I am selling if you are interested.
Burn
Dec 16 2004, 09:01 AM
I may be, how much are you asking for them?
Paleale
Dec 16 2004, 07:41 PM
I am asking 300
Burn
Dec 16 2004, 08:14 PM
I will keep it in mind, I think I just got an offy intake for $100, and I already have an edelbrock 500, I am going to pick up my engine in the next few days I hope, then all I will need is my adaptor and radiator. So far I am looking at a slightly used 22r to my trans for around $1000
Paleale
Dec 17 2004, 10:09 PM
Are you running a 22R head or a 20R head?
Dog eat dog
Dec 18 2004, 06:48 AM
Here's something you my want to look at on the buy/sell board.
http://www.glamisdunes.com/invision/index....last_post&st=252.3L f.i turbo engine. $600.00
Burn
Dec 18 2004, 08:18 PM
As I understand it, a 2.3 ford weighs about 100 pounds more than a 22r, besides I don't really want to run a turbo, too much hassle and too much hp for my trans.
sanddunesaddict
Dec 19 2004, 12:16 PM
another plus with the 22r is if you blow a rod out the side u just take all the pieces out,undo thevalve springs for that cylinder and duct tape the hole and run on 3 cylinders.
and yes i have seen this done on a long trip where it was do that or sit.
it was a long time ago though.
jhitesma
Dec 20 2004, 01:19 AM
I had a friend with a 22GRE Toyota in his rail, ran great and the only thing about it that ever gave him problem were the dual weber side drafts and the linkages for them.
I've moved a number of Ford 2.0 and 2.3 motors and if the 22R is 100lbs lighter than the 2.3 then it must weigh about the same as a fully prepped VW because that's about all the difference I'd say there is between the VW and the 2.3. I've pulled and reinstalled the 2.0 Ford I had in my rail by myself without an engine hoist. (I cheated though, I removed the suspension and dropped the whole car

then lifted it off the motor

)
With the stock cast iron exhaust the 2.3 is noticably heavier than my 2.3. With the exhaust removed it's about the same as my 2.0 was with exhaust and intake. (2.0 has an esslinger header and shaved down stock aluminum intake.)
Frankly though I think they're both great motors and would have seriously considered a Toyota if it wasn't that I could use my 2.0 adapter plate with a 2.3 making it my cheapest choice. If you have a lead on a Toyota I'd personally say go for it.
However I'd also recomend keeping the FI instead. The wiring really isn't all that hard and neither is basic programing. If you want to fully dyno tune it it's potentially cheaper than tuning a carb motor since there are no jets to spend money on

If you build a MegaSquirt and get the factory harness it should be possible to get full control over fuel and spark for under $500. I've got the MS ready to go onto my 2.3 but one other nice thing about the Ford is that the stock computer is real easy to use on the 2.3's. So I used it to get up and running quick...now I'm having too much fun duning to mess with upgrading the motor
SanDollars
Dec 20 2004, 06:29 AM
Those 22R's are frickin' bulletproof! No water? no problem! No oil? No problem!
hbsurfer
Jan 10 2006, 02:31 PM
QUOTE(Paleale @ Dec 13 2004, 04:33 PM)
I am running a built 22R in my buggy what do you want to know? About 100 lbs more than a VW, About 180 hp with a carb. No problems yet ant parts are everywhere.
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Hello,, I have a question. I just put a 22r in a Baja bug n put the radiator in the front with the water hoses running back to the engine. Trouble is. The engine gets too hot. Way too hot.
I'm wondering if the distance is too great and the pump isnt able to move the water..
Where did you mount your radiator for your 22r in your buggy..
Just tryin to figure out how I can get this to work.. thx man..
oh, n do you know anybody else that has this kind of set up.. i have a feeling this wont be my first dumb question.. thx..
Chris, in huntington beach.
Wild Earp
Jan 20 2006, 04:52 PM
youll probably need to run an inline electric pump to boost it. Same thing they do in trucks when they mount the rad in the bed. not sure what size/model though.
Ive got a turboed 22re in my buggy. It vibrates like crazy though (solid mounts). but works good. I run it at 7-8 psi right now, and it makes maybe 190 HP. It made 290 on pump gas @ 16 psi in the street car it was in before being put in my buggy. But I need to do some stuff to it first before running it at that level (like dual row timing chain conversion and a scoop for the intercooler).
onanysunday
Jan 20 2006, 05:20 PM
My buddy has a 2 seater with the 22r running 15lbs of boost with intercooler. It runs great! Currently his car is in Tucson having the head upgraded from a stage 2 to I think he said a Stage 8. He really likes the motor guy he is using. If anyone ever wants this guys number just PM me and I'll call him. Oh yeah those Toyotas
are TOPS
HiddenFromTheRest
Jan 20 2006, 05:32 PM
QUOTE(sl1111 @ Dec 14 2004, 07:59 PM)
First post but it seemed appropriate...
I am running a 22r with a header and a 38 outlaw weber carb. This motor is turnkey and easily adapted with the Kennedy kit. I use my car for hard pack and therfore it makes plenty of horsepower. It was a solid upgrade from my 2000cc VW. H2o cooling is nice also, Fan kicks on at 185 and off at 170. No cooling problems what so ever.
Feel free to contact me if I can be of any help...
The only problem I have is when I get into big whoops the carb floods out and sometimes the motor will stall. It will then fire right up and clean out very quickly. It is very frustrating when there are alot of whoops. I think if I lower the float level and vent the carb into the air filter it may help. If anyone has any info on my carb problem let me know please...
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Try lowering your fuel pressure, if you dont have a fuel pump definently do the vent tube into the air filter. Lowering the fuel pressure made a huge diff. for me on a carbed rover v-8.
Sandzilla
Jan 21 2006, 08:28 PM
QUOTE(Biterman @ Dec 20 2004, 06:29 AM)
Those 22R's are frickin' bulletproof! No water? no problem! No oil? No problem!
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^^^^ What he said^^^^ It's one tough little motor, for sure!
Zilla
TSL Performance
Jan 22 2006, 08:58 PM
QUOTE(HiddenFromTheRest @ Jan 20 2006, 05:32 PM)
QUOTE(sl1111 @ Dec 14 2004, 07:59 PM)
First post but it seemed appropriate...
I am running a 22r with a header and a 38 outlaw weber carb. This motor is turnkey and easily adapted with the Kennedy kit. I use my car for hard pack and therfore it makes plenty of horsepower. It was a solid upgrade from my 2000cc VW. H2o cooling is nice also, Fan kicks on at 185 and off at 170. No cooling problems what so ever.
Feel free to contact me if I can be of any help...
The only problem I have is when I get into big whoops the carb floods out and sometimes the motor will stall. It will then fire right up and clean out very quickly. It is very frustrating when there are alot of whoops. I think if I lower the float level and vent the carb into the air filter it may help. If anyone has any info on my carb problem let me know please...
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Try lowering your fuel pressure, if you dont have a fuel pump definently do the vent tube into the air filter. Lowering the fuel pressure made a huge diff. for me on a carbed rover v-8.
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Wow, this was an old post. I have sold the toyota powered car and am now in a Honda.... Thanks anyway, I am sure the info can help someone else. I did end up venting the carb and it solved the problem. Then I sold it....
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