Whoa, there Vanilla Ice, or Tough Bunch or whatever poser group you belong to! You must be one of the "PROBLEMS" at Comp. we are talking about! It has become a nightmare! While I don't think the dusk to dawn closure is a good thing, something had to be done to stop the idiocy that has been increasing in the last few years! I too had planned on NOT going to Comp. at night! Not because I'm frightened, but because of the stupidity of the crowd there!!! I do however have some common sense and a respect for life and property! Where you there last year? Do you condone what happened? If this closure helps to eliminate the UNWANTED! element from the dunes then it will have been worth it! But you and your kind will just move your circus to another hill and get it closed as well! With people like you on our side, who needs enemies?

LIVE FREE OR DIE!

Deleted my earlier post because I've been in these forum flame wars before, and they accomplish nothing.

I stick by everything I wrote on the ASA forums. There's no contradiction between wanting the "rave" atmosphere at Comp to disappear, and wanting the Comp curfew to be temporary.

[ 11-26-2002, 04:10 PM: Message edited by: Poiks ]

This is what I posted on the ASA BBS:

All,

I attended the meeting today and while I was not happy about everything, I am convinced that the ICBoS has our best interest at heart. Like many of you, I don't go to comp at Glamis, but despise the word "closure". Also, as many others feel, comp was lost years ago to the rowdies. After listening to what everyone had to say, and there were many that spoke, I feel that this revised ordinace is the best route to go at this time.

The revised ordinance specifically details the curfew days and times and is focused on holidays only. This is an improvement over the previous version that left it to be in place 365 days per year. It also specifically details the exact locations of the curfew to include the Glamis Comp Hill area.

Sheriff Carter was very forthcoming with the situation his officers and other LEOs are faced with, and his concerns are shared by many of us. He said that they do have a plan to make this work, but of course, he did not share it. As he should not do that publicly.

The Sheriff, other LEOs, BLM, and BoS have agreed to debrief next Tuesday to evaluate the effectiveness of the curfew. The BoS stated publicly during the meeting that they are committed to ensure the safety of the ISDRA users and the LEOs. To further empathize this, they said that if this course of action is not effective that they will look at other options.

During the pubilc comment, a Westmoreland city council member said that it could take physical force to bring this problem of lawlessness to a halt. He continued to say that if it takes the LA riot squad to be brought in to do it, it should be done. Later during the supervisors discussion, a supervisor said that if this curfew doesn't take care of the problem that 'the jarheads from Pendleton should be brought in to kick the **** out of them'. This resulted in first laughter, then sounds of agreement from the audience.

The single most important point in this meeting was that the BoS stated publicly and on the record that they "want every square inch of the deserts" to be open to the public. That is thier goal. The second most important point was that the BoS stated that they are not too proud to admit when something need to be revisited and perhaps changed. This revised ordinance is proof of that statement.

Keith Rosewitz was there to officially represent the ASA. I will let him speak on his own. Basically, Keith restated that the ASA will continue in their efforts to educate the public and its members and its efforts to reopen all of the dunes.

My opinion is that we should, at least at this point, stand behind the ICBoS in their efforts to get OUR dunes back under control. If this does not work, they have demonstrated that they will listen for other solutions. In the mean time, be ready to be there, in their face, if this doesn't work.

There were a few changes that were made to draft document during the meeting, good ones. Watch for a copy of the ordinance to be posted on the ASA web site as soon as it is available.

Other than that, like Vicki said: Keep the LEOs in your prayers and your fingers crossed.

Although new to this board I'm not new to glamis, and I do agree that some measures of control are needed, especially at comp, heck I dont' let my 16 year old go there at night even in a big group anymore, but i certinly hesitate to jump on the I'ts the other guy band wagon

Glamis always represented a sence of fredom! a way to shake off the binds of constant control

Please don't get me wrong my fredom stops where another persons fredoms starts. But we must try to come up with mangable sulutions, and more self policing, and untill we shut down the mahem temporarly we wont be able to turn the the public image around.

If we don't act now as a group, with out pointing fingers, we will lose many of thouse fredoms we enjoy about glamis

Just a thought!

Osman

Quick suggestion;

Maybe we can throw this at them. Since everyone thinks that comp hill has all the partiers coming there and just stirrin trouble why not this.

Glamis is for rails, bikes, and any other sand toy right? We the dune people who go there to dune should fight alittle better and give out some ideas.

So.............. how about this.....
Comp Hill to get access you must be on a vehicle that is built for the dunes. No trucks, cars, buses, trailers, or any other thing that the brawley kids or trouble makers can come in.

If its just the duners and they have the check points for kegs, lots of beer then it should not be a problem. I think the street vehicles should stay out of the sand and stay on the street. Can't afford a toy then dont dump the $$$ in your pick up. Plus real 4 X 4 driving in in the dirt and mud like back east.

My 2 $

They looked at that Kennie, and decided against it. How do they decide who to discriminate against? Me, driving my street legal Jeep or maybe Natsj40 in his Landcrusier? What about Oldmanx in his Manx? Maybe jhitesma decides he wants to drive his Ramcharger over, it will climb the hill. I know what your saying, I thought the same thing too. Maybe the beer thing, but how much beer is too much? Definately a keg, but what about a case?

Realisticly, it should be only those that break the law, but they can't do it that way now. Its become to big to manage, but it will get managable soon.

[ 11-27-2002, 02:53 PM: Message edited by: LoBuck ]

Not only will it climb the hill but it will do it in 2WD Hi gear no less (Which I learned by mistake when I thought I was alredy in 4 and went for it. First try made it about 10 feet from the top, second try I had more heart into it and made it....then noticed it was in 2, shifted into 4 and the next run was effortless )

And it's now looking like that may be the only way I make it out this weekend since I still haven't had time to dig into my spare tranny to find out why it only lasted 200 feet before breaking

Hey, Glenn. You making a day trip this weekend? Drop me an e-mail since it sounds like that's the only way I'll have a chance of making it and all my other friends will already be up there somewhere

THEY CLOSE COMP THEY KNOW EVERYBODY IS GOING TO OLDS . IF YOU THINK LIKE A LEO OLDS IS ALOT EASIER TO DO ONE OF THERE PINCH POINT THINGS AT .ONLY ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT . WHEN THEY SEE ONECOOLPUNK MOBBIN HIS TRUCK AROUND /W/ A BEER IN HIS HAND THEY JUST WAIT FOR HIM AT THE DOOR .YOUR ROOM IS READY .NEXT!

I also disagree Kennie, taking my Z-71 to the dunes is one of my favorite ways to enjoy the dunes, I love to ride my quad too, but sometimes I like to take some friends along. I don't think we should discriminate against any particular type of vehicle. Instead, I feel that a pinch point stop with LEO's checking I.D.'s and seeing that there are no weapons in or on the vehicle like they do at most truck shows that I used to attend! If your under 18, no admittance without parental accompaniment. Under 21 and you have alcohol in or on your vehicle and you pour it out before entering! It's a pain, but what else can be done!

P.S. Sorry, Zuk no harm ment!

LIVE FREE OR DIE!

How about this?

I can't remember her name, but she organized a grassroots clean up at the dunes a few years back, and as I recall there was plenty of help and support from both BLM, and business that profit from us at glamis.

What if some Duner group staked out comp or other hot spot BE FOR the crowds showed up and staged some type of reality touch with folks as they arrive, IE: INFORMATION ONLY, NOT CONFRONTATION

Get enough of a positive and united presence before hand, and start a dialog of dune etiquette: a little safety, a little less stupidity, and that will have a far more lasting impact on people, I still think most folks will follow some scene of good conduct if they know we are watching!

I think you're referring to Jennifer Whyte, who used to be involved in lots of dune cleanups.

first of all its easy to spot the gullywompers, they are a large group of gangsters with shovels in their truck, Please don't associate the kind of activity that went on last thanksgiving with rave parties, as far as I know rave partys have always had mellow people drinking water and dancing all night, those people that burned up those brand new trucks and caused all the violence were anything but mellow or rave type people! It reminds me of localism at surf spots, the people who prey on surfers from out of town are bored with surfing, so harassing non locals is more interesting for them! I think alot of the trench diggers/(gullywompers) are bored with riding sand toys and peaceful partying so they try to out do each other with acts of violence!
Its really sad because when I first went to comp I thought it was the greatest thing I ever seen and then I seen it turn ugly!!!

Just the light show on a thanksgiving weekend with sand toys coming from a million directions was spectacular!!!