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Bluesky
the real controversy is whether there will be an Imperial county.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-im...al10dec10.story

December 10, 2002


Inland Water Sale Rejected; Coastal Cutback Threatened

Imperial Valley

By Tony Perry, Times Staff Writer
EL CENTRO, Calif. -- The Imperial Irrigation District on Monday defiantly refused to approve a large-scale water sale to San Diego County, despite blunt warnings from the federal government that such a move will mean a severe cutback to coastal Southern California.

Governing board members said they bitterly resent the escalating threats by state and federal officials for the Imperial Valley to either sell part of its water or face dire consequences, including having the board disbanded, state projects for Imperial Valley rejected, and the valley's own water supply reduced.

"If you push me around, I'll push back," said board President Stella Mendoza. "We'll see them in court. I'm willing to pay for our defense.... Without water, the Imperial Valley is nothing."

The Bush administration has vowed to immediately suspend rules allowing coastal Southern California to receive surplus water from the Colorado River unless the Imperial board approved the San Diego transfer by Dec. 31. The deal is key to satisfying the administration's demand that California reduce its overall use of the river.

Other Western states, particularly Arizona and Nevada, are eager for California to use less Colorado River water so that they can begin to receive their full entitlements.

After voting down the proposed 75-year deal to San Diego 3 to 2, the Imperial board voted to have their lawyers draft a potential deal of 3 to 5 years in hopes that will keep the federal government from following through on its threats.

Late Monday, Assistant Interior Secretary Bennett Raley rejected the idea of a 3- to 5-year deal, and said it is now a near certainty that Southern California will suffer a reduction in water.

The Imperial board also voted to begin a legal defense fund. In anticipation of the vote, the board had already voted to hire the firm of Ken Khachigian, a Southern California lawyer, water expert, and Republican political consultant.

Board member Bruce Kuhn, who joined Mendoza and Andy Horne in opposition to the deal, said he expects "the state politicians will be at our throats and the feds will be at our throats."

The proposal had split the Imperial Valley: the Board of Supervisors opposed the deal, the United Farm Workers supported it, and the Imperial Valley Farm Bureau was unable to reach a consensus, with some farmers opposing the sale of water and others favoring it.

Even if the Department of Interior shuts off surplus water for California, officials at the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California have said they have enough water in storage to offset the loss for at least two years and long-term projects are in the works that could replace the surplus water.

It is also unclear whether the suspension of the surplus rules would mean an immediate reduction or one that would be phased in over several months.

Phillip J. Pace, chairman of the Metropolitan Water District governing board, issued a statement regretting the Imperial decision and saying that the mega-agency still believes that the deal "offers California the best opportunity to follow through on its commitment to ultimately reduce its dependence on Colorado River water."

Under the 75-year pact, the Imperial district, the nation's largest agricultural irrigation district, would have sold up to 200,000 acre-feet of water a year to San Diego, enough to serve 1.6 million people for a year. The price would have brought up to $2 billion to the district during the life of the contract. Imperial uses more than 3 million acre-feet a year to irrigate 500,000 acres of farmland.

But board members and some farmers and business leaders complained that the price offered by San Diego was too low. They also feared that the agreement would have left the district liable for hundreds of millions of dollars in projects to repair the Salton Sea, which could be harmed by a reduction in agricultural runoff from the Imperial Valley. Federal law requires partners in a water deal to pay for environmental damage resulting from that deal.

Raley, the Interior official, faxed a letter Monday morning to the four agencies — the Imperial district, San Diego County Water Authority, Metropolitan Water District of Southern California and Coachella Valley Water District — urging that the lingering dispute over the sea not be allowed to kill the deal.

California, Raley wrote, must avoid the fate noted by the narrator of the novel, "The Great Gatsby": "So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past."

The four agencies, as well as the state and federal governments, have yet to decide who will pay the tab for any damage done to the Salton Sea, which straddles Riverside and Imperial counties and survives on agricultural runoff. The Imperial board wants a promise by the other parties capping the amount the district will have to pay.

Environmentalists are already suing the federal government for allegedly reneging on its obligation to help the birds and fish survive. The inland sea, although smelly and discolored, is teeming with fish and serves as a stopover for millions of migratory birds.

Monday's vote, closely watched by water officials throughout the West, came after seven years of negotiations that included two administrations in Sacramento and two in Washington, plus a host of state legislators.

Last week, Raley said that he would immediately revoke rules allowing coastal California to get surplus water if the deal was not signed by Dec. 31, a deadline set two years ago by the seven states that get water from the Colorado River.

At stake is 600,000 to 800,000 acre-feet of water a year that Metropolitan distributes to local water agencies in six Southern California counties — Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego and Ventura.

For the San Diego district, the water deal was born of a 50-year civic desire to have a measure of independence from the Los Angeles-based Metropolitan district. Forced by the federal government to join the Metropolitan during World War II, San Diego has grown into Metropolitan's largest and unhappiest customer.

At the root of San Diego's discontent is a formula that could allow the Metropolitan district to shift nearly half of San Diego's water to Los Angeles during a drought.

While Metropolitan officials and board members have said they would never invoke the formula, they have resisted changing it and successfully fought a lawsuit filed by San Diego to force a change.

To ensure its own supply of water, San Diego officials began negotiating seven years ago with the Imperial district. In the search for more water to serve California, virtually all paths lead to the Imperial Valley, where farmers enjoy the cheapest, most plentiful water supply of any region in the state.

There, fear runs deep that politically powerful forces from outside the Imperial Valley will someday try to steal the valley's water.

A century ago, farmers guarded their water with shotguns. Now they employ lawyers. When the government attempted to restrict the use of water from federal reclamation projects to farms of 160 acres or less, the Imperial Irrigation District fought to the U.S. Supreme Court, which ruled in its favor.

"Our water rights have been well earned by the hard work of the pioneers here," Farm Bureau President Michael Cox told the board. "I think they deserve to be protected."
ChildrnOfTheDust
And your point being...
SailAway
quote:
Originally posted by ChildrnOfTheDust:
And your point being...

Yeah sure, like it has one [Snore]

Vicki
ChildrnOfTheDust
No seriously, I can't find any relevance in this post. So there is a water shortage or something and San Diego wants to buy some from Imperial Valley or something. But I don't see anything pertaining to the off road community in there. And for once I am not hungover or drunk while going to this site...So please enlighten me...

By the way Bluesky you never answered my question under the Global Warming thing.
Garbacho
Dito...Whats your point Blue?
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Little B I T C H!
ChildrnOfTheDust
Bluesky, do you have a job? Do you work for a living? Hello? And what do you do?
Doorlord
Funny thing, I don't hear the Davis administration calling for water conservation.
Do you?
madweazl
Cool, I thought maybe I was the only one that didnt understand what the hell I was reading.

Ok, less water. Hum, dunes.
ChildrnOfTheDust
I don't think anyone understands the point of it. But that's okay I rant and rave on here quite often. At least I have alcohol as an excuse for most of them.
Bluesky
quote:
Funny thing, I don't hear the Davis administration calling for water conservation.
Do you?

http://www.cuwcc.org/Uploads/hotnews/Proclamation.htm

http://216.239.51.100/custom?q=cache:tqXez...&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

"CBPA WATER CONSERVATION LEGISLATION SIGNED INTO LAWTwo water conservation measures sponsored by CBPA were recently signed into law. SB 1348 (Brulte, R-Rancho Cucamonga) would reward local water agencies that implement water conservation measures identifiedin their urban water management planning document by allowing the Department of Water Resources toinclude the water district's actions into the process used when reviewing applications for competitive grant andloan water conservation programs. SB 1385 (Brulte, R-Rancho Cucamonga) would create an incentive forapplicants to either implement or install water conservation measures in their park or recreational project inwhich they are seeking grants from the recently passed Park Bond ­ Proposition 40. CBPA believes that bothof these bills will advance water conservation efforts in the state. Both bills compliments CBPA's long-standingcommitment at advancing a comprehensive water policy for California that includes water management programssuch as water conservation and water transfers as well as projects aimed at increasing water supplies"

http://www.water.ca.gov/
dezfan1
quote:
By the way Bluesky you never answered my question under the Global Warming thing.
Do not expect an answer any time soon Children of the Dust, Blu doesn't answer questions. That is not in the agenda. I tried to get him to answer several question on several subjects(Environmental Issues-I THINK BLU IS DUCKING ME!) and got "0" out of the Bluzer! His M.O. is to cut-n-paste, say "can you prove it" and then check will the head greenies at "GREEN INC." to see what his next mission of destruction is. I tried to have an open discussion with the Bluzer and never got anywhere. I now see that his only mission in life is to try and take away our RIGHTS as citizens of this country to use what belongs to us! Just call it like you see it, Blu is a [Angry Fire] TROLL! [Angry Fire]

LIVE FREE OR DIE!
Omnivore
Courtesy of Bluesky:

"CBPA WATER CONSERVATION LEGISLATION SIGNED INTO LAWTwo water conservation measures sponsored by CBPA were recently signed into law. SB 1348 (Brulte, R-Rancho Cucamonga) would reward local water agencies that implement water conservation measures identifiedin their urban water management planning document by allowing the Department of Water Resources toinclude the water district's actions into the process used when reviewing applications for competitive grant andloan water conservation programs. SB 1385 (Brulte, R-Rancho Cucamonga) would create an incentive forapplicants to either implement or install water conservation measures in their park or recreational project inwhich they are seeking grants from the recently passed Park Bond ­ Proposition 40. CBPA believes that bothof these bills will advance water conservation efforts in the state. Both bills compliments CBPA's long-standingcommitment at advancing a comprehensive water policy for California that includes water management programssuch as water conservation and water transfers as well as projects aimed at increasing water supplies"
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California politicians usually start off by saying, briefly, what they did (to us) and end by saying what the results will actually be (for/to us). The internal verbage is not intended for human consumption.

Take the first five words and the last five words of this statement, throw out the whole reeking pile of innards and make the summary of this gobbledegook. Just like government to say they are doing one thing and really end up doing something, if not the exact opposite, else.

If they REALLY wanted conservation, they would not have mentioned increasing supply.

There would be no need to buy more water from Imperial Valley if WE simply turned off the water, while brushing and flushed very other time. But conservation empowers the people and government hates to share power. They would rather we waste and pay dearly for it.
Dunetamer
Speaking as a public water agency employee for 15 years, water conservation is only a "drop in the bucket" when comparing it to the Imperial Irrigation's lack of ratification of the water transfer. So. Cal. stood to receive approximately 800,000 acre feet of water per year This would have been at an extreme cost to the Imperial Valley farmers and communities. Colorado river water is now going to be distributed per the existing water use agreement and So. Cal. will now be forced to find new water sources, inlcuding desalinization (which the Sierra Club is against). I suggest that anybody who wants to comment on this issue (BlueSky) to thoroughly research the history of water regulation in the western states. Start off by viewing "Cadillac Desert", it's an eye opener.

But wait, Bluesky didn't comment on this, he only cut/pasted it. Nobody has told him his position in this matter and he can't comment for himself. Hey Blue, what does Danny-Boy have to say about the water issues facing California? Go ahead, take your time, I know you need some time to cut and paste his thoughts...........

[ 12-17-2002, 01:17 PM: Message edited by: Dunetamer ]
Doorlord
quote:
Originally posted by Doorlord:
Funny thing, I don't hear the Davis administration calling for water conservation.
Do you?

Any TV ads asking you to:
Turn off the water while you brush your teeth?
Turn off the water while you soap up in the shower?
Water your lawn at a specific time?
Drive around in a dirty car?
Sweep your driveway with a broom, not a hose?
The Pastor
Help conserve water...
Shower with a friend! [Big Grin]

Vor
Dietch
... preferably of the opposite sex. [Big Grin]
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