Blue Have a nice day!
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RoostKIng...
[ 01-25-2003, 11:58 PM: Message edited by: RoostKing ]
Full Version: Did BlueSky show at the Cleanup
I know, stupid question as hes not out to actually help the environment, just there to hurt those who chose to use OUR public lands.
Blue Have a nice day!
RoostKIng...
[ 01-25-2003, 11:58 PM: Message edited by: RoostKing ]
Blue Have a nice day!
RoostKIng...
[ 01-25-2003, 11:58 PM: Message edited by: RoostKing ]
quote:No, he was not there. And for the record, he's not targeting public land users. His hatred is far more focused... he targets OHV users. Period.
Originally posted by RoostKing:
I know, stupid question as hes not out to actually help the environment, just there to hurt those who chose to use OUR public lands.
Blue F U!
RoostKIng...
His vendetta comes from some very personal experiences on or near his private property. And even though his problems directly resulted from his own actions and not the actions of the off roaders, he's blinded by his hatred.
Just wanted to set the record straight. Unlike a true environmental fanatic, if an OHV or OHV rider is involved in helping the environment, he'd rather see the environment suffer.
Vicki
[ 01-22-2003, 07:11 AM: Message edited by: SailAway ]
I tend to agree with Vicki on this. If anyone believes Lornes concerns are with the environment, they need only to look at his past. He has been removed from "the other" board for his conduct, he has been removed from the "jeepaholics" board for his conduct and there are more. He targets the users of all OHV's not just atv's and buggies. His concern is not protecting anything. It is mearly to BAN OHVS which is also his e-mail address. If his and others concerns were in fact the environment, they would acually be doing something to help it. As with Glamis, the biggest falacy I believe is peoples concern for the environment and their desire to enjoy it. We, the duners are the ONLY PEOPLE doing anything to prolong the environment at glamis and THE ONLY PEOPLE enjoying Glamis. Lorne does have a deep seeded anger and he chooses our form of recreation to target. If anyone doesn't believe he is an angry man, you should hear his voice mail on my phone. Yes he is angry, he will get his and we will get our dunes back.
quote:how the heck do you know that?
No, he was not there.
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quote:how can you say what somebody else would rather see?
Unlike a true environmental fanatic, if an OHV or OHV rider is involved in helping the environment, he'd rather see the environment suffer.
How can you deny the impact of motorized rec on the environment?
quote:I was not removed from the jeepaholics board--why do you make this crap up?
he has been removed from the "jeepaholics" board for his conduct
quote:dirt bikes are responsible also. How can you deny the impacts of motorized rec on the ecosystem?
He targets the users of all OHV's not just atv's and buggies. His concern is not protecting anything. It is mearly to BAN OHVS
banorvs is my handle at yahoo. I travel a lot all over the desert southwest. I see the unmistakeable and long-lasting imprint of dirtbike and atv trails everywhere. Their numbers are growing. the trails are out of control. there is NO support for environmental responsibility from within the OHV community (with the notable exception of Slappy).
quote:get real--do you believe that?
We, the duners are the ONLY PEOPLE doing anything to prolong the environment at glamis
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quote:who the heck are you talking about? I never phoned you and I never left a message. you're paranoid!
you should hear his voice mail on my phone.
offroaders leave their tracks and new trails all over the land. At Glamis they impact the sensitive areas where rare plants and animals have found a niche. Then they think by holding a cleanup to pick up their own trash they're helping the enviornment? And if they don't see Bluesky out there it fuels their righteousness...
have a nice day
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quote:Think it helps the environment???? I am not sure about you there Bluesky, but I tend to believe picking up trash anyware helps the environment. You are right that we are picking up our own trash and some of us are picking up other peoples trash too. Yes it is unfortunate but some people do leave their trash. Not all of us are as respectful of Mother G and her surrounding world. But being the environmentalist that I am I did my part and continue to do my part wherever I am in this world. If that is in the Sierras, the desert or even walking across the parking lot at work. Does this make me any better than you???? I tend to think so. The way I look at it I was out there doing my environmental duty. It may not have been my trash but it is my land and I would like to keep it that way. You on the other hand... When was the last time you went out to Glamis to experience the beauty that is she??? When was the last time you helped Clean her up??? You are right! I didn't see you there. So i pose this question to you... WHY WEREN'T YOU OUT THERE DOING YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL DUTY???
Then they think by holding a cleanup to pick up their own trash they're helping the enviornment? And if they don't see Bluesky out there it fuels their righteousness...
quote:Well, you logged on to the board numerous times during the weekend. So, unless you have wireless access... which I believe you do not... then you were not there.
Originally posted by Bluesky:
quote:how the heck do you know that?
No, he was not there.
If you wanted OHV's banned, how would you feel about OHV'ers performing cleanups? My guess is--not good. Anything that makes OHV users look good ( ) would make anti-OHV agitators...agitated ( ![[Mad]](mad.gif)
) .
Won't it be a shame for old Bluesky when he realizes his life has gone to waste (![[Frown]](frown.gif)
)? Nothing accomplished after countless hours of obsessive anti-OHV activities. Nothing positive, nothing achieved, nothing saved, helped, or improved. Just lots of negativity, hatred, and millions of wasted keystrokes, both his and ours.
) would make anti-OHV agitators...agitated ( ) .Won't it be a shame for old Bluesky when he realizes his life has gone to waste (
)? Nothing accomplished after countless hours of obsessive anti-OHV activities. Nothing positive, nothing achieved, nothing saved, helped, or improved. Just lots of negativity, hatred, and millions of wasted keystrokes, both his and ours.
quote:It was a silly question anyway and he knows it. I was watching for him, along with some real environmentalists I was hoping would be there and none of them showed, although one of the Sierra Club "watchers" that sit out on a dune and monitor our activity did come by the booth for a free t-shirt.
Originally posted by Robbie:
quote:Well, you logged on to the board numerous times during the weekend. So, unless you have wireless access... which I believe you do not... then you were not there.
Originally posted by Bluesky:
quote:how the heck do you know that?
No, he was not there.
Vicki
BS e-mail address's
banorvs@yahoo.com
jeanatz@aol.com
Juan25ho@aol
And .......
Ok I'll leave that one off
banorvs@yahoo.com
jeanatz@aol.com
Juan25ho@aol
And .......
Ok I'll leave that one off
quote:that's not your problem or your worry
Won't it be a shame for old Bluesky when he realizes his life has gone to waste ( )?
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quote:I resist uncontrolled OHV impacts in a law-abiding manner.
Nothing accomplished after countless hours of obsessive anti-OHV activities. Nothing positive, nothing achieved, nothing saved, helped, or improved.
quote:I have no hatred for you or anyone. I don't fear negativity.
Just lots of negativity, hatred, and millions of wasted keystrokes, both his and ours.
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If you're worried about keystrokes--the solution is in your own hands.
Wow Bluesky your a profit!!!!
And I thought it was confuscious that said "Man with sex on brain end up with SOLUTION IN OWN HANDS".
Still doesnt answer the question. WHY DIDNT YOU COME OUT AND JOIN THE MANY WHO PUT IN THEIR TIME CLEANING UP WHAT YOU CALL AN ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM?
And I thought it was confuscious that said "Man with sex on brain end up with SOLUTION IN OWN HANDS".
Still doesnt answer the question. WHY DIDNT YOU COME OUT AND JOIN THE MANY WHO PUT IN THEIR TIME CLEANING UP WHAT YOU CALL AN ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM?
Because he could care less about Glamis.
You see. Bluser does not actually care at all for the eco-system, enironment, or any creature or plant.
He hates OHV'ers period. I'm willing to bet recyceling is not something he performs with his trash.
This is a jealous vandetta against a group of people that ride legally in SAND that changes with every wind storm. Does blue get involved with city planers? How about sewage spills and the clean ups? Has blue done a study and ACTUALLY found ALL the facts of ANY of his aligations? Does he ever contact private land owners to find out information on their land?
Its really easy to stand there pointing and accusing. Its another to get involved.
He hates OHV'ers period. I'm willing to bet recyceling is not something he performs with his trash.
This is a jealous vandetta against a group of people that ride legally in SAND that changes with every wind storm. Does blue get involved with city planers? How about sewage spills and the clean ups? Has blue done a study and ACTUALLY found ALL the facts of ANY of his aligations? Does he ever contact private land owners to find out information on their land?
Its really easy to stand there pointing and accusing. Its another to get involved.
I cleaned up some Granola mix and a birkenstock sandal, maybe he was there???????? NOT!!!
quote:So let me get this straight. It's all right for you to "travel all over the desert southwest", but we should be banned? Hmmm, that makes sense! NOT! Look Lorne, your hypothesis about the "long-lasting" imprint just doesn't hold water! I've stated many times that during the early Fourtys (only 60 years ago) the desert around Blythe was used for training by Patton. There were thousands and thousands of men and equipment used in the desert. Tanks, trucks, jeeps and numerous other military vehicles traversed all over this desert non-stop for years. Yet go out into the desert now and try to find a trace of them! It's very difficult! Now you want us to believe that a few bikes are going to do more harm than an army and there equipment??? I just don't thing it's so. Your time frame is to condensed Lorne. You may be able to see the tracks for a relatively short time, but mother nature will surly erase them. Maybe not in a week or a month, but be assured that they will disappear. Also, you have seen the closure map and stated that there appears to a large portion of Glamis closed! Now if you take the increasing number of OHV enthusiast and cram them into smaller and smaller areas, of course their impact will be greater! That's why we need to open up more of our public lands to OHV use. That way we can lesson the impact! That is just common sense!!! I wish I could understood why you loathe us so much Lorne. We are good people just trying to enjoy our lifes and protect our freedoms from those who think "they" know what is better for us than we do ourselves! That is what makes me so angry and determined to defend what is rightfilly MINE!
I travel a lot all over the desert southwest. I see the unmistakable and long-lasting imprint of dirt bike and atv trails everywhere. Their numbers are growing. the trails are out of control.
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PROTECT YOUR FREEDOM!, STOP THE CLOSURES!, KEEP OUR DESERTS OPEN!
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
quote:I travel on paved highways and mapped, approved dirt routes of travel. I DON'T speed, slalom from side to side, make a new trail, run through mudholes or make doughnuts in the roads.
So let me get this straight. It's all right for you to "travel all over the desert southwest", but we should be banned?
quote:why don't we do the numbers? compare the numbers of soldiers and the numbers of vehicles driven during Patton's time with the numbers of vehicles driven in the past 30 years.
I've stated many times that during the early Fourtys (only 60 years ago) the desert around Blythe was used for training by Patton. There were thousands and thousands of men and equipment used in the desert... Now you want us to believe that a few bikes are going to do more harm than an army and there equipment???
quote:who is going to assure me? Someone who gets his thrills making those tracks?
You may be able to see the tracks for a relatively short time, but mother nature will surly erase them. Maybe not in a week or a month, but be assured that they will disappear.
quote:I believe that
We are good people
quote:It's just that OHVers don't seem to care or notice the effects of their recreation on the land.
just trying to enjoy our lifes and protect our freedoms from those who think "they" know what is better for us than we do ourselves!
quote:you have a right as an American to vote and to participate in the process that governs the use of our lands. that's the end of your rights. The land is not yours to do with what you want. It belongs to all Americans, present and future. The BLM is mandated to insure that the land can be used sustainably. OHV use impacts more and more land every year. We have not seen any desert OHV area recover yet. We can't prove that OHV use is sustainable in the desert, or even controllable!
That is what makes me so angry and determined to defend what is rightfilly MINE!
[ 01-22-2003, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: Bluesky ]
Bluesky,
You speak dogmatic, pragmatic nonsense.
Less and less off roading land is available for use from decade to decade.
You talk Daniel Patterson lies.
You also lie about the voteing process:
You support Trojan horse laws, and letting judges over rule the voters,,, bypassing the one person, one vote theory.
Put down your crackpipe, look in the mirror and realize what a dirtbag you are.
You speak dogmatic, pragmatic nonsense.
Less and less off roading land is available for use from decade to decade.
You talk Daniel Patterson lies.
You also lie about the voteing process:
You support Trojan horse laws, and letting judges over rule the voters,,, bypassing the one person, one vote theory.
Put down your crackpipe, look in the mirror and realize what a dirtbag you are.
BlueSky says:
Oh, and as a start to your research; Patton's training 'theatre' operated from Desert Center, CA south to the Mexican border and east to Dateland, AZ ( about 90 miles east of Yuma). Basically "all over the desert southwest"
quote:OK, lets do that. You start. How many soldiers and vehicles were in the desert during Patton's time?
why don't we do the numbers? compare the numbers of soldiers and the numbers of vehicles driven during Patton's time with the numbers of vehicles driven in the past 30 years.
Oh, and as a start to your research; Patton's training 'theatre' operated from Desert Center, CA south to the Mexican border and east to Dateland, AZ ( about 90 miles east of Yuma). Basically "all over the desert southwest"
Blue, I didnt ask for yet another cut a paste marathon.. I simply asked if you were at Glamis to help out in the cleanup of YOURS and OURS precious sand dunes...
Its a simple yes or no...
RoostKing...
Its a simple yes or no...
RoostKing...
does Roostking understand about how to make a question? If roostking wants an answer from a person, he/she will ask that person and then wait for an answer.
[ 01-23-2003, 07:24 AM: Message edited by: Bluesky ]
quote:this doesn't sound like the way to get a person to answer a question.
Topic: Did BlueSky show at the Cleanup I know, stupid question as hes not out to actually help the environment, just there to hurt those who chose to use OUR public lands.
Blue F U!
[ 01-23-2003, 07:24 AM: Message edited by: Bluesky ]
And there it is again? in all its glory.
a Non answer.
a Non answer.
quote:Hey BLU, What happened to the espanol that you wrote at the bottom of your post?
Originally posted by Bluesky:
does Roostking understand about how to make a question? If roostking wants an answer from a person, he/she will ask that person and then wait for an answer.
quote:this doesn't sound like the way to get a person to answer a question.
Topic: Did BlueSky show at the Cleanup I know, stupid question as hes not out to actually help the environment, just there to hurt those who chose to use OUR public lands.
Blue F U!
It looked like it was something that could've gotten you BANNED.
[ 01-23-2003, 08:59 AM: Message edited by: Robbie ]
quote:As I asked in a post earlier in this thread.
Originally posted by Bluesky:
does Roostking understand about how to make a question? If roostking wants an answer from a person, he/she will ask that person and then wait for an answer.
quote:this doesn't sound like the way to get a person to answer a question.
Topic: Did BlueSky show at the Cleanup I know, stupid question as hes not out to actually help the environment, just there to hurt those who chose to use OUR public lands.
Blue F U!
DH1
quote:And again
So i pose this question to you... WHY WEREN'T YOU OUT THERE DOING YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL DUTY???
quote:I must say I was not nasty and mean about this either. I asked quite nicely.
Still doesnt answer the question. WHY DIDNT YOU COME OUT AND JOIN THE MANY WHO PUT IN THEIR TIME CLEANING UP WHAT YOU CALL AN ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEM?
I will ask again. WHERE WERE YOU DURING THE CLEAN UP OF YOUR BELOVED DUNES???
[ 01-23-2003, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: downhillin1 ]
quote:it's funny
Hey BLU, What happened to the espanol that you wrote at the bottom of your post?
It looked like it was something that could've gotten you BANNED.
Roostking can write Blue FU and it's OK, but if I want to write the same thing back it gets censored.
quote:What you wrote was different. You know it and I know it.
Originally posted by Bluesky:
Roostking can write Blue FU and it's OK, but if I want to write the same thing back it gets censored.
Don't cross that line again.
HEY BLUE, I AM STILL WAITING FOR AN ANSWER.
quote:Lorne, I noticed that you didn't comment on this statement! I wonder why??? Maybe because it's the truth!
Now if you take the increasing number of OHV enthusiast and cram them into smaller and smaller areas, of course their impact will be greater! That's why we need to open up more of our public lands to OHV use. That way we can lesson the impact! That is just common sense!!!
quote:Come on out to the desert all "LOOK" for your self! I've been all around the desert in this area and " I " can assure you that mother nature can and will erase them!
who is going to assure me? Someone who gets his thrills making those tracks?
quote:Gee, what was the title of this thread? That's right, Did Blu show up at the clean up? Well YOU didn't, but many OHVers who care about the desert did! HYPOCRITE!
It's just that OHVers don't seem to care or notice the effects of their recreation on the land
quote:Your right, And I do!!!! Notice the fact that we have a Republican President and both Houses of Congress! I was a part of that! As far as being the end of my rights!!?? You couldn't be more wrong Mr. Paddington. This land does belong to me! As a citizen of this country, public land belongs to the public! I don't need your permission to do with it as I please you F*****G MORON! I really don't care what your opinion is of how I use it! As long as I am not breaking the law, your opinion means NOTHING!!! When you attempt to take away something that I hold dear, I take offence to it and become ANGRY! I only wish that you could see what an ass you make of your self when you post your nonsense! You and people like you are the only down side to living in a free society! Your just not happy unless your trying to make everyone else as miserable as you!
you have a right as an American to vote and to participate in the process that governs the use of our lands. that's the end of your rights
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
Over New Years, I was told you gave up on us....I really had my heart set that you were gone for good...........So what happened? Trust me..We're not redeemable!!! ![[BigCry]](graemlins/bigcry.gif)
Go away!!!!!!
Go away!!!!!!
I deleted your post Blue. That's your second strike.
Your translation is wrong and I won't put up with it.
DON'T CROSS THE LINE AGAIN.
Vicki
Your translation is wrong and I won't put up with it.
DON'T CROSS THE LINE AGAIN.
Vicki
quote:I'll bet you never leave your vehicle
I've been all around the desert in this area
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except to take a leakquote:did dezfan?
Did Blu show up at the clean up?
quote:if you continue to impact rare species on public land, the law will be enforced and you will not be permitted to use it for unlimited vehicle rec.
I really don't care what your opinion is of how I use it! As long as I am not breaking the law,
http://www.intwg.com/trolls.htm
quote:
Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.
Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.
quote:
The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.
When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you insult a troll, he wins. When you scream at a troll, he wins. The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored.
ANSWER MY QUESTION YOU EFFING *****!!!!!
WHY didnt you go to the clean up???
WHY didnt you go to the clean up???
quote:Lorne, I am so tired of playing your silly games! Look, if you want to live in your little world of make believe, then do it! But do not infringe on my way of like! You will not like the outcome! Now go away you
Now if you take the increasing number of OHV enthusiast and cram them into smaller and smaller areas, of course their impact will be greater! That's why we need to open up more of our public lands to OHV use. That way we can lesson the impact! That is just common sense!!!
TROLL! It's obviouse your not here to discuss anyhting with any type of common sense! Your here to spread your hatred of our community, pure and simple! I am tired of it and don't intend to answer you again!LIVE FREE OR DIE!
QUE?
I think we should do what Sailaway said:
The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.
The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.
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[ 01-28-2003, 06:37 PM: Message edited by: DuneTroll ]
[ 01-28-2003, 06:37 PM: Message edited by: DuneTroll ]
quote:let's continue in spanish,
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quote:I'm not here to call Bluesky names
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quote:I'd like conversations with and about everyone without limit
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quote:but I don't think we can arrive at a reasonable agreement, too bad.
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[ 01-28-2003, 06:38 PM: Message edited by: DuneTroll ]
AAAOh Shiznet!!! Now we have to see this crap in 2 languages? I thought he didn't like us anymore
I thought he didn't like us anymore
This sure developed into a stimulating topic. NOT!
The troll wins again.
The troll wins again.
quote:Still researching BlueSky? I thought you wanted to do the numbers?
Originally posted by LoBuck:
BlueSky says:quote:OK, lets do that. You start. How many soldiers and vehicles were in the desert during Patton's time?
why don't we do the numbers? compare the numbers of soldiers and the numbers of vehicles driven during Patton's time with the numbers of vehicles driven in the past 30 years.
Oh, and as a start to your research; Patton's training 'theatre' operated from Desert Center, CA south to the Mexican border and east to Dateland, AZ ( about 90 miles east of Yuma). Basically "all over the desert southwest"
quote:Good one Lobuck, that's funny!
Still researching BlueSky? I thought you wanted to do the numbers?
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Lorne wanting to use hard numbers! Now we both know that's BULLS**T! As he has demonstrated many times, accurate numbers and Mr. Paddington are not compatible!LIVE FREE OR DIE!
Blue, Here's something to get you started. Sorry for the cut & paste
click here
[ 01-25-2003, 06:27 PM: Message edited by: LoBuck ]
click here
quote:
Unaware of the ultimate significance of their assignment, 600 officers and 3000 enlisted men departed Major General George S. Patton's 2d Armored Division at Fort Benning, Georgia, on April 14 1941, and entrained for Camp Beauregard, Louisiana, where they were to form the nucleus of a new armored unit
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Seven thousand recruits joined the "Bayou Blitz," as the Division was first nicknamed
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Although almost 3000 men were lost tot he Division in September, 1941
quote:Hey that was pretty easy. hmm, no tank numbers though.
June and early July 1942, were dark months for the men of the 3d Armored Division. While an epidemic of yellow jaundice swept through the entire outfit - and the rest of the United States Army as well - the Division was ablaze with varied rumors concerning impending troop movements. In mid July orders came down; the Division was to move to the Mojave Desert in California for more intensive training.
Thirty trains were used to transport the 'Bayou Blitz" to California. After a four-day journey, the troops stepped down from the relatively cool interior of the railroad coaches into the brilliant expanse of sun, sand, and jagged rock. While the thermometer squirmed well over 100 degrees, the Division bivouacked 13 miles west of the whistle-stop, Freda in a vast expanse of sand and runty greasewood brush , and despite the burning sun and wind, launched a series of desert maneuvers.
The Mojave was no vacation land. At first the heat was almost unbearable. The burning wind tanned the troops to a saddle leather color. Lips chapped painfully, though a cure was soon found for that, crimson lipstick, definitely not GI. But the maneuvers in the Mojave during that summer probably did more to toughen the Division and prepare it for actual combat than had all previous training. Stripped to bare essentials, the tankers and supporting arms took to the wide open spaces in mock battle. Pitted against superior "enemy forces," the never failed to turn in a creditable performance.
[ 01-25-2003, 06:27 PM: Message edited by: LoBuck ]
Your right Blu, I will edit my post.
Now did you go to the cleanup of not???
RoostKing...![[Monkee Dance]](graemlins/monkeedance2.gif)
Now did you go to the cleanup of not???
RoostKing...
banorvs is my handle at yahoo. I travel a lot all over the desert southwest. I see the unmistakeable and long-lasting imprint of dirtbike and atv trails everywhere. Their numbers are growing. the trails are out of control.
Hey Blue Sky, I too have troped all over the desert states. Guess what I have seen. 200 year old wagon marks and pioneer roads that have a lasting effect on the land. I have also hiked all over the Sierras. guess what I have seen. Your precious Sierra club traks on horse back making a mess of the trails and leaving behind your litter. I guess its OK for you, but not the rest.
Heres another question for you Blue. Why is it OK for a horse to s*** all over the trail but not a dog? S*** is s*** no matter what A$$ it comes out of!
So if you want to talk about conservation you better dot your I's and cross your T's, 'cause your in a world of hurt now boy.
[ 01-28-2003, 06:33 PM: Message edited by: DuneTroll ]
Hey Blue Sky, I too have troped all over the desert states. Guess what I have seen. 200 year old wagon marks and pioneer roads that have a lasting effect on the land. I have also hiked all over the Sierras. guess what I have seen. Your precious Sierra club traks on horse back making a mess of the trails and leaving behind your litter. I guess its OK for you, but not the rest.
Heres another question for you Blue. Why is it OK for a horse to s*** all over the trail but not a dog? S*** is s*** no matter what A$$ it comes out of!
So if you want to talk about conservation you better dot your I's and cross your T's, 'cause your in a world of hurt now boy.
[ 01-28-2003, 06:33 PM: Message edited by: DuneTroll ]
Please post in English only.
Please stop with the personal attacks.
the "Blue F U" did not belong. It is a personal attack.
A certain amount of leeway is given in these threads. Blu, you have been very good about putting up with the personal attacks. I must commend you. I've not edited ALL of them, but, all it would take is a note letting me or Sailaway know that things are out of hand and things will be handled.
If anyone as any questions about the moderating please feel free to drop me or any other moderator a note. We will be happy to help.
Vor
Please stop with the personal attacks.
the "Blue F U" did not belong. It is a personal attack.
A certain amount of leeway is given in these threads. Blu, you have been very good about putting up with the personal attacks. I must commend you. I've not edited ALL of them, but, all it would take is a note letting me or Sailaway know that things are out of hand and things will be handled.
If anyone as any questions about the moderating please feel free to drop me or any other moderator a note. We will be happy to help.
Vor
Here's your answer to the Blu's attendance question.
Also the trash is ok with you because the wind will blow it all away? Where's it blowing to? I can't believe you have the nads to post something like this."The wind will blow most of the trash away" What about the trash that won't blow away?
I've heard a lot of dribble from you, but this takes the cake.
Go back under your bridge and just collect the money from the goats and keep quiet.
[ 01-28-2003, 07:38 PM: Message edited by: Race255 ]
quote:We know from your own words posted right here you Kook.
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No, he was not there.
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how the heck do you know that?
quote:So your "job" is merely to advise, not to actually DO something about it?
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Greens, Have not participated in clean up, or advisory to the dunning public.
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it's your mess, you clean it up. The wind will blow most of the trash away anyway. It's the tracks and the habitat degradation that can't be easily repaired. Greens have advised the OHV community of their responsibility to use the land in a sustainable manner.
Also the trash is ok with you because the wind will blow it all away? Where's it blowing to? I can't believe you have the nads to post something like this."The wind will blow most of the trash away" What about the trash that won't blow away?
I've heard a lot of dribble from you, but this takes the cake.
Go back under your bridge and just collect the money from the goats and keep quiet.
[ 01-28-2003, 07:38 PM: Message edited by: Race255 ]
quote:I don't get paid to care about the environment. The way I care about the environment is up to me. I attend meetings, write letters, talk to people...yes I do pick up trash--mostly beer cans--when I'm out in the desert.
So your "job" is merely to advise, not to actually DO something about it?
Just because I didn't make it to the cleanup you were at doesn't mean I don't do my part.
But you knew that. Your purpose for starting this thread was to 1. let everybody know YOU were there 2. have a reason to spew some crap my way.
no harm done.
quote:And neither did anyone else who showed up at the clean up. They did it free because they too care about the environment! I only wish you would understand this point Lorne!
I don't get paid to care about the environment.
LIVE FREE OR DIE!
Blue I have never talked to you and after this I hope not to ever agin but is there a happy medium so that us off roaders can have space to play.
Well over 1/2 of glaims is gone for off road use Why cant we all shair public lands for all to enjoy? WHY?
Well over 1/2 of glaims is gone for off road use Why cant we all shair public lands for all to enjoy? WHY?
quote:Unfortunately, you're not talking to a true environmentalist, so the answer you'll likely get will be an embarrassment to those people who are truly working on behalf of the environment.
Originally posted by m03a3:
Blue I have never talked to you and after this I hope not to ever agin but is there a happy medium so that us off roaders can have space to play.
Well over 1/2 of glaims is gone for off road use Why cant we all shair public lands for all to enjoy? WHY?
DUNERS is working on a program that will involve input from conservation representatives and, believe it or not, we've been able to contact a couple people who actually do spend their time working to help the situation instead of viciously working against one faction.
While we may not always see eye-to-eye, some have a passion to match our own and the wits to match. It should be very interesting.
Vicki
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