Alright, so here’s the deal, I have a 2001 400EX. About 3 years ago I bought a set of paddles for the bike, Put them on, rode it for a few months, everything was good. Then I was changing the plug and wanted to go for a cruse around the block. Went to take the paddles off, and the rims were stuck. Being the dumbass I am, and having been new to the sand, I didn’t know I had to turn the lugs around. Basically the aluminum is crimped around the stud, and WONT come off.

My theory is to take the castle nut off, take the hub off, take off the lugs, and to cut the studs off with a grinder, then with a pointed chisel, hammer the stud through the rim. Hopefully the studs will come out and not ruin the rim. When and IF I do this, will I be able to replace he studs??? If not where can I get a pair of hubs at?

It looks like my other option would be to take a hit, buy new hubs, and new rims, and learn from my mistakes.

Any suggestions, solutions, comments (besides saying I was a dumbass kid)?????

Thanks in advance

Mike

Mike I would say take the hub and tire /wheel off the axle and lay it on the ground and take a 2 by 4 or something like it and pound on the hub from the front side and then you may need to do a little work to the wheels but you might still be able to use them.

that was my first thought, but i figure that i will have to puck 3/4 of an inch o fstud through the rim, rather than 1/10 inch. The cutting was pretty much my other option to the hammering with a block of wood.

But if you cut them your going to have to have the studs replaced, this way you might not have to and that will save you so coin. I think I would try pounding it out before cutting. Once they start to move it's gonna be easy. Try it first then go from there.
To replace one hub it's gonna be about $91.00 each. I see no listing for just the studs.

well, i can buy a set of used stock hubs on ebay from 10-40 bucks.

but ill try the hammering thing.

Do you have any advice on taking off that the castle nut? Last time i trued it i was at 2 hours of sleep, a weekend in glamis, hungover etc, and it would not come off, i took the cotter pin out and all, but the nut wouldnt budge. i think im gonna dry some deep penatrating lubricant this time, combined with a big breaker bar, and some elbow grease.

yea, i dont plan on doing it until after my trip to G prez day. The paddles are on there, and i dont ride the dirt too much, although it would be nice. I would spray it every day if i had the bike here, but i dont, its in brawley in our storage.

I would have my dad spray it for me a few days in advance, but i dont want to start on it, and not have a bike for prez day.....

thanks for the help..


Anyone else?????

This sounds like a challenge worthy of video taping.

So... you're saying the lug nuts won't come off because the tapered portion is rammed into the aluminum, right?

Have the lug nuts rounded off yet? If not, have you tried an impact wrench on them? What about a cheater bar? As long as the nut isn't rounded off on the outside there's a good chance they will come off. I use a 6 foot long cheater bar on my VW axle nuts... that should take off any ATV lug nuts.

Good luck.

Dang 6 foot thats pretty long, just dont turn it the wrong way.

On my Z and on the 450r the holes on the stock rims are bigger for the tappered side of the nut, but on my rims wtih my paddles i have to turn the nut around so the tappered part isnt going into the rim. I put it on backwards because the other side is flat.

this happened to me a while ago. just took the lug nuts off and beat each stud with a 2x4 and a sledgehammer. didnt take the hubs off the bike or nothing. using the 2x4 to make contact with the studs, nothing was scratched or damaged. cake.

no the lugs come off, however, i could probably ride the bike forever with no lugs on it, because the aluminum is crimped on the stud..

the castke nut is being a pain in the ass.... ill see what happens next week when i atepmt it. I wish i had a video camera and a bunch of beer to try to tape it.

I was just trying to get input from other people before i started.



P.S. Does anyone happen to know the size of the axel nut?

have you tried hammering yet? im confident it will work as we have done it many a times. just seems like you're making the job bigger than it needs to be.

um, i havent tried hammering it yet, i tried hammering the rim with somthing behing it, and it didnt want to comre off. I figure once i get it off, if every thing is in tact, i can file out the inside of the holes.

I wont know until next week, as i wont be able to work on it until then.

Im pretty sure I have a 400EX hub somewhere in the garage if you need it. email me if you do, I'll give it to you very cheap

And BTW, you CANNOT buy the studs alone.

AND be very careful with the torque. Its like 28# or something and you will snap a stud easily ~ I know

What I did when I snapped the stud was to pound out the broken bit and used a class 8 bolt and nut. Worked great; When I sold the EX I even told the buyer and it didnt bother him a bit.

yeah, hammering the back of the rim wont really work because beating one side of a rim just puts it in a bind. but if you hammer the stud, which is pressed into hub, it will begin to back out of the hub slightly thus loosening the grip on the rim the studs threads have on it. this normally is enough to man-handle the rim off the studs. alluminum is pretty soft, even the force exerted from the banging will loosen it up.

Im not too sure what you are saying by hammering the stud??

I was thinking about taking the hub off with the rim , setting the rim on the ground, so the stids are facing up, and hammering the studs downward.

2muchfun do you only have one hub or do you have a pair???

Thanks.

we kept the hub installed on the axle of the bike just removed the lug nuts, took a 4x4 or 2x4 and placed it up against one of the studs and began to beat it on the end of the wood with a sledge-hammer. continued to do this on all 4 studs.

the studs are slined and pressed into the hub. they are pressed in upon installation and when you beat on them they will begin to back out of the hub. this will loosen the grip the rims have on the threads of the stud because you are beating the studs inward and the rim cannot move because of the hub. you do not need to beat the studs completely out of the hub, usually just a little bit of movement from all of the studs is enough to man-handle the rim off the studs afterwards.

basically the same thing you're talking about by taking the whole hub off the bike and putting in on the ground, but less work. good luck.

Honda manual says 47 ft-lbs for lug nuts.

cool, if anyone has any other information, please post, i will update everyone on how it went next sunday when i come back from G....

Peace.

Mike the rear castle nut is an 18mm.

Right on, thanks 5 million.

I owe you a beer.

Come to glamis this weekend to redeam.

i was going to take a round file and file out the hole.

How much is it for the studs?

service honda's part number and price.
90103-HA2-003 $4.14 each

coo, thanks

Mike,
Did you get this fixed yet?

haha, uhhh. no


well last time i went to the dunes i came back sunday night and showered, and immediatley fell asleep, woke up the next day went to el centro for somthing, then came home. im going to try next weekend, im taking a friend or 5 down and we'll get er done

badabing!


Fixed that s*** today. Works good, no jacked up studs, i filed down the holes, and cleaned everything up a little. I have some pics ill post later for anyone that wants to see.

Was pretty easy, took about 5 minutes to get the hub off the rim. Took about 20 minutes to get the god damn cotter pin out of the left hub, and 10 seconds to get the right one out.


To the sledge hammer.

Glad to hear you got that damn thing done.

If it happens again just take the luggs off and ride it, the tire will just fall off on its own.
Besides, why would you take your paddles off?

last time i went to work on it i was too hungover and tired. took me about 2 hours including looking for tools and a HUGE breaker bar, and taking pics, and cleaning up the parts and putting back together.

haha, i actually thought about doing some slides in the sand with no lugs. but then i decided to use a big pipe and a sledgehammer to pount them out, less dangerous.


its funny because i have had those paddles on there for a little over 2 years, havent had any other reason to take them off, except to clean the rims, and to ride around on the street


the main reason was, when i go to sell the bike, i dont wanna say, oh yea, by the way, the wheels and paddles are stuck the eff* on the bike.