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UDG, BLM celebrating partnership
Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:32 PM PST
STAFF REPORT
The Imperial Sand Dunes gateway communities of Brawley, El Centro and Yuma will join with the U.S. Bureau of Land Management to celebrate the fruits of a recently formed partnership between the United Desert Gateway and the BLM California Desert District.
William Woody, BLM director of law enforcement and security, will unveil a new law enforcement vehicle to be assigned to the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.
Weekend Warrior president Mark Warmoth also will be on hand to turn over the keys of a trailer that his company has made available to the BLM to support its law enforcement objectives.
Linda Hansen, BLM California Desert District manager, will attend the event at noon Saturday at Pair A Dice restaurant at the Gordons Well exit on Interstate 8. Hansen will announce support of UDG partnership activities with an $80,000 contribution.
UDG president Nicole Nicholas Gilles stated that in a prior meeting between the UDG and BLM, Hansen emphasized the BLM partnership contribution and the new law enforcement vehicle had not been funded by Imperial Sand Dunes visitor fees. The UDG has identified more than $100,000 of public outreach cost-matching contributions required under the terms of the UDG/BLM assistance agreement executed in September.
The United Desert Gateway, in cooperation with one of its partners, the American Sand Association, has saved taxpayers greatly through this blossoming partnership with BLM.
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This will be announced to the duning public saturdat the 18th at Pair A Dice.
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thats good news I think.. when do we get perm. bathrooms over in the washes?? I was in a tent this last weekend and I would do it more often if I didnt have to run out for those duties..
Some may think thats not a big deal - but multiply me times how many thousands that dont have an RV and thats alot of crap and crap paper in the sand..
Some may think thats not a big deal - but multiply me times how many thousands that dont have an RV and thats alot of crap and crap paper in the sand..
Ill bite also..
WHO THE EFF IS THE UDG?? HOW and WHY come to mind when I hear about them.
No company does this without an agenda.. should I start sellin my stuff now??
WHO THE EFF IS THE UDG?? HOW and WHY come to mind when I hear about them.
No company does this without an agenda.. should I start sellin my stuff now??
ASA = UDG = BLM
BLM = ASA = UDG
UDG = BLM = ASA
Where did the 100K come from? Where is the paper trail to all of this? Seems to convienent.. Whats in the big picture future..
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANSWERS??????????
BLM = ASA = UDG
UDG = BLM = ASA
Where did the 100K come from? Where is the paper trail to all of this? Seems to convienent.. Whats in the big picture future..
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANSWERS??????????
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The UDG has identified more than $100,000 of public outreach cost-matching contributions required under the terms of the UDG/BLM assistance agreement executed in September.
The United Desert Gateway, in cooperation with one of its partners, the American Sand Association, has saved taxpayers greatly through this blossoming partnership with BLM.
The United Desert Gateway, in cooperation with one of its partners, the American Sand Association, has saved taxpayers greatly through this blossoming partnership with BLM.
UDG= is the coalition of surrounding communities that have realized the economic advantage of having us dunners around
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I’m actually a little curious about that myself.
UDG has potential to be a good thing for Glamis and her surrounding communities but it is disconcerting that every time the name comes up I get a ton of questions about who/what it is.
At one time I was told there is an agreement between the UDG and the BLM somehow transferring the volunteer cleanup hours over to the UDG. An interesting concept, since DUNERS did the only “outreach” at the cleanup, while 3000 Glamis lovers picked up trash. Perhaps the UDG is all-encompassing and any and all volunteer efforts put forth in Imperial Valley are credited to the UDG, with or without the volunteer’s knowledge? But that doesn’t seem quite right… what would keep the Sierra Club from doing the same thing and then directing the money down the anti-access toilet? I am waiting for clarification on that one.
Don’t get me wrong… I’m all for the matching funds program and new stuff for the dunes, and that $100,000 is mighty nice and will promote access. And I think an organization like the UDG could do good things for Glamis… perhaps the "outreach" hasn't reached out as far as it should yet... maybe there needs to be more involvement with those who truly recreate at Glamis, the duners themselves.
Vicki
".......UDG partnership activities with an $80,000 contribution. "
I myself, wonder and are anxious to see and hear.. what UDG partnership activities WILL BE?? $80K that's a nice chunk of change.
I myself, wonder and are anxious to see and hear.. what UDG partnership activities WILL BE?? $80K that's a nice chunk of change.
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I’m actually a little curious about that myself.
UDG has potential to be a good thing for Glamis and her surrounding communities but it is disconcerting that every time the name comes up I get a ton of questions about who/what it is.
At one time I was told there is an agreement between the UDG and the BLM somehow transferring the volunteer cleanup hours over to the UDG. An interesting concept, since DUNERS did the only “outreach” at the cleanup, while 3000 Glamis lovers picked up trash. Perhaps the UDG is all-encompassing and any and all volunteer efforts put forth in Imperial Valley are credited to the UDG, with or without the volunteer’s knowledge? But that doesn’t seem quite right… what would keep the Sierra Club from doing the same thing and then directing the money down the anti-access toilet? I am waiting for clarification on that one.
Don’t get me wrong… I’m all for the matching funds program and new stuff for the dunes, and that $100,000 is mighty nice and will promote access. And I think an organization like the UDG could do good things for Glamis… perhaps the "outreach" hasn't reached out as far as it should yet... maybe there needs to be more involvement with those who truly recreate at Glamis, the duners themselves.
Vicki
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At the last ASA open board meeting in Ontario on Sat. Jan. 22nd, Nicole Gilles spoke about the UDG program and answered any questions. Also in attendance and speaking was Linda Hansen, BLM California Desert District manager and she answered my questions regarding the empty kiosk by the ranger station.
Too bad you couldn't make it to that meeting Vicki. 
(ALL are invited to attend, you don't have to be an ASA member either. 
)I believe that the $100,000 is from the business community contributions.
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The UDG has identified more than $100,000 of public outreach cost-matching contributions
Now the $80,000 is from our wallets and part of the BLM National program for this type of partnership activities.In the next ASA quarterly newsletter due out soon (March) has information about the UDG and highlights from the ASA board meeting. I don't remember hearing about any transfer of volunteer hours? It looks like the number of volunteers is up from last year for the cleanup, great job everyone.
Are those 3000 just the Glamis cleanup numbers or are they combined with the South Dunes cleanup that same weekend? I hope just the Glamis one... 
Jim
I believe that the $100,000 is from the business community contributions.
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The UDG has identified more than $100,000 of public outreach cost-matching contributions
Now the $80,000 is from our wallets and part of the BLM National program for this type of partnership activities.
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Either way... business community contributions or our wallets..
It's from us.
We pay into the business communitry... so its ALL from our wallets.
Gone are the days.. when you had some control of WHO wants some of your money.
I really do hope this program is going to be a positive one. Just from doing research and having new contacts, I hope it does not target the good-- and take more from us.. to help enforce the bad. That is getting old, IMHO.
ASA meetings are thought out for all of the BOD to be able to make the dates and events and the logistics. Unfortunetly - that does not mean the majority of duners will be able to attend.
As well as other business owners... this is dune season.. quite busy working or needing a much needed vacation. Many with young familes are busy w/soccer/baseball/basketball/school and other interests as well. The world just
doesn't seem to slow down and time is short.
But thanks to all that are able to attend and relay information. For that we are thankful. Love the internet.
QUOTE(Glam_mom @ Feb 16 2005, 01:16 PM)
Either way... business community contributions or our wallets..
It's from us.
We pay into the business communitry... so its ALL from our wallets.
Gone are the days.. when you had some control of WHO wants some of your money.
I really do hope this program is going to be a positive one. Just from doing research and having new contacts, I hope it does not target the good-- and take more from us.. to help enforce the bad. That is getting old, IMHO.
ASA meetings are thought out for all of the BOD to be able to make the dates and events and the logistics. Unfortunetly - that does not mean the majority of duners will be able to attend.
As well as other business owners... this is dune season.. quite busy working or needing a much needed vacation. Many with young familes are busy w/soccer/baseball/basketball/school and other interests as well. The world just
doesn't seem to slow down and time is short.
But thanks to all that are able to attend and relay information. For that we are thankful. Love the internet.
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It's from us.
We pay into the business communitry... so its ALL from our wallets.
Gone are the days.. when you had some control of WHO wants some of your money.
I really do hope this program is going to be a positive one. Just from doing research and having new contacts, I hope it does not target the good-- and take more from us.. to help enforce the bad. That is getting old, IMHO.
ASA meetings are thought out for all of the BOD to be able to make the dates and events and the logistics. Unfortunetly - that does not mean the majority of duners will be able to attend.
As well as other business owners... this is dune season.. quite busy working or needing a much needed vacation. Many with young familes are busy w/soccer/baseball/basketball/school and other interests as well. The world just
doesn't seem to slow down and time is short.
But thanks to all that are able to attend and relay information. For that we are thankful. Love the internet.
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Cathi, I don't quite know what you mean? If Joe's business in Brawley wants to donate money to the UDG for getting ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) kiosks in the ground at the dunes to educate those that use the dunes, that money too is coming from us? Joe doesn't have to give a contribution, he is still in control of his money. Just like any organization asking for donations, it depends on your wallet and if you think the money will be well spent...your choice.
You said,
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I hope it does not target the good-- and take more from us.. to help enforce the bad. That is getting old, IMHO.
Sorry, but you lost me there. Help enforce what bad?And your right, ASA meetings are centered around when 9 VOLUNTEER BOD members and others can arrange to meet. If the majority of the BOD can't attend, whats the point??? Meetings are posted well in advance to All, to allow others time to mark their calendars if they want to attend. They are also spread out in 4 different areas, Ontario, San Diego, Phoenix and Orange County were the majority of duners live so you can attend one hopefully...within a short drive.
Okay, I did get some of my questions answered...
The $80,000 and $100,000 figures are really just "representative figures" of contributions of one form or another. The $80,000 contribution isn't necessarily monetary, for instance. It could include the trailer that was donated by Weekend Warrior, informational brochures that were printed in partnership with the BLM, banners, goods, that kind of thing.
The "matching funds" issue was also discussed and it's not just volunteer hours that count toward matching funds. It has everything to do with "task orders." For instance, let's say the BLM needs to fix that kiosk that has been mentioned. They have the materials, but they just don't have the manpower. John Doe Construction steps up and says they'll pay their guys to fix the Kiosk, using the materials from the BLM. The task gets completed and the cooperative effort goes into the record to go toward "matching funds" for the area.
Basically, the way I think I see it is, devoted (and working) fans for an area translate into real monetary support for that area.
Vicki
The $80,000 and $100,000 figures are really just "representative figures" of contributions of one form or another. The $80,000 contribution isn't necessarily monetary, for instance. It could include the trailer that was donated by Weekend Warrior, informational brochures that were printed in partnership with the BLM, banners, goods, that kind of thing.
The "matching funds" issue was also discussed and it's not just volunteer hours that count toward matching funds. It has everything to do with "task orders." For instance, let's say the BLM needs to fix that kiosk that has been mentioned. They have the materials, but they just don't have the manpower. John Doe Construction steps up and says they'll pay their guys to fix the Kiosk, using the materials from the BLM. The task gets completed and the cooperative effort goes into the record to go toward "matching funds" for the area.
Basically, the way I think I see it is, devoted (and working) fans for an area translate into real monetary support for that area.
Vicki
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Either way... business community contributions or our wallets..
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That is so true, unless of course a business owner is donating money out of is personal trust fund
Other than that, the money being donated by a business is coming from the people that have patronized that business.
That's why it's good to know where your money is going... last year I changed my mind on a merchant when I found out the owner had contributed to Clinton and then Kerry. The price I paid was higher, but I didn't like where my money was going to end up.
My money goes from my pocket into the business, which is profit for the owner, who in turn lines another pocket. So, like I said... unless he's contributing from a personal trust fund, business contributions have to come from someone (or lots of someones). Either way, it comes from our wallets.
Vicki
well if that is the case, then a $20 bill that I spent at the AM/PM was given out for change and was then used to buy drugs around the corner. The money came from me and was spent on drugs.
I don't particularly care for that, so I need to watch my money a little better!
I don't particularly care for that, so I need to watch my money a little better!
QUOTE(Tripod @ Feb 16 2005, 07:08 PM)
well if that is the case, then a $20 bill that I spent at the AM/PM was given out for change and was then used to buy drugs around the corner. The money came from me and was spent on drugs.
I don't particularly care for that, so I need to watch my money a little better!
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I don't particularly care for that, so I need to watch my money a little better!
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I know you are joking, but your example would only be valid if the owner of the am-pm was taking the profit from the store and buying drugs with it. Then, yes, it be the same thing Vicki was saying, and yes, a logical person might choose to not spend money at that establishment...
QUOTE(SailAway @ Feb 16 2005, 03:32 PM)
Okay, I did get some of my questions answered...
The $80,000 and $100,000 figures are really just "representative figures" of contributions of one form or another. The $80,000 contribution isn't necessarily monetary, for instance. It could include the trailer that was donated by Weekend Warrior, informational brochures that were printed in partnership with the BLM, banners, goods, that kind of thing.
The $80,000 and $100,000 figures are really just "representative figures" of contributions of one form or another. The $80,000 contribution isn't necessarily monetary, for instance. It could include the trailer that was donated by Weekend Warrior, informational brochures that were printed in partnership with the BLM, banners, goods, that kind of thing.
Vicki ,I am sure that is not your intent but this statement is just not correct . For instance Ask Weekend warrior if the trailer provided just is representative of $. Heck no thats real bucks out of there pocket. From my personal perspective I know wken the bill comes every month for Funco's billboard I write a real check.
ASA cut a check for 60,000 Time out for safety flyers thats real bucks. I just don't want to see those contributions minmized is my only point here.
The representative dollars look like this . Bob Mason spent huge hours (Not sure the exact amount )coordinating the bill boards ,3000 joe duners spent XXXX # of hours cleaning up trash. Although volunteer hrs. there is a value attached to that.
UDG and ASA are finally able to bring those resources and Bucks back to the users.
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QUOTE(SailAway @ Feb 16 2005, 03:32 PM)
Okay, I did get some of my questions answered...
The $80,000 and $100,000 figures are really just "representative figures" of contributions of one form or another. The $80,000 contribution isn't necessarily monetary, for instance. It could include the trailer that was donated by Weekend Warrior, informational brochures that were printed in partnership with the BLM, banners, goods, that kind of thing.
The $80,000 and $100,000 figures are really just "representative figures" of contributions of one form or another. The $80,000 contribution isn't necessarily monetary, for instance. It could include the trailer that was donated by Weekend Warrior, informational brochures that were printed in partnership with the BLM, banners, goods, that kind of thing.
Vicki ,I am sure that is not your intent but this statement is just not correct . For instance Ask Weekend warrior if the trailer provided just is representative of $. Heck no thats real bucks out of there pocket. From my personal perspective I know wken the bill comes every month for Funco's billboard I write a real check.
ASA cut a check for 60,000 Time out for safety flyers thats real bucks. I just don't want to see those contributions minmized is my only point here.
The representative dollars look like this . Bob Mason spent huge hours (Not sure the exact amount )coordinating the bill boards ,3000 joe duners spent XXXX # of hours cleaning up trash. Although volunteer hrs. there is a value attached to that.
UDG and ASA are finally able to bring those resources and Bucks back to the users.
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Thanks for clearing that up. Speaking for myself, an old timer, sometimes that new math doesn't add up. I also have a good friend who lives in El Centro and he says his business was approached to be part of the UDG. He says it sounds like a very worth while cause and as soon as he gets back from his vacation, he's going to look into it further. It could really help to support our cause.
I probably need to clarify a couple other things.
The BLM and the UDG have whats called an assistance aggreement i.e. partnership. Out of that aggreement came whats called task orders. In other words what the parnership will be working on. Of which there are 2.
1 Visitor outreach and education
2 visitor use studies.
The $ 80.000.00 is real money provided by the BLM commited to fund the task orders.
This is called cost matching and is supposed to match or offset the $100,000.00.
This is all a result from what started almost 2 years ago when ASA attended a Federally sponsored conferance called Partners in Stewardship. Believe me when I tell you guys how rewarding it is to see it finally becoming reality.
This whole process is very well documented in ASA's newsletters.
FYI Nicole Gilles is the lead at the UDG. She was literally raised at Glamis. (She's Dirty Bobs Daughter and the school bus would pick her up at Glamis store) Literally raised at Glamis!!!
The BLM and the UDG have whats called an assistance aggreement i.e. partnership. Out of that aggreement came whats called task orders. In other words what the parnership will be working on. Of which there are 2.
1 Visitor outreach and education
2 visitor use studies.
The $ 80.000.00 is real money provided by the BLM commited to fund the task orders.
This is called cost matching and is supposed to match or offset the $100,000.00.
This is all a result from what started almost 2 years ago when ASA attended a Federally sponsored conferance called Partners in Stewardship. Believe me when I tell you guys how rewarding it is to see it finally becoming reality.
This whole process is very well documented in ASA's newsletters.
FYI Nicole Gilles is the lead at the UDG. She was literally raised at Glamis. (She's Dirty Bobs Daughter and the school bus would pick her up at Glamis store) Literally raised at Glamis!!!
Here are the actual figures for the cost sharing between the BLM and the UDG
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PREFACE
The United Desert Gateway (UDG) was formed as a direct result of the Partners in Stewardship conference held in Los Angeles, California on November 17-20, 2003.
The conference keynote speakers and the partnership building sessions set the stage for the execution of an Assistance Agreement between the Imperial Sand Dunes gateway communities of Brawley, El Centro and Yuma with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) in September of 2004. In less than twelve months the UDG has identified and implemented several “Partners in Stewardship” projects that have provided volunteer and economic resources. This report documents these projects and demonstrates the UDG contribution. Under the terms of the Assistance Agreement dated September 17, 2004 the UDG is responsible for support of Task Order objectives through cost sharing activities. Two Task Orders have been proposed and are pending final approval.
SUMMARY OF COST SHARING ACTIVITIES
Dollars Hours
•Highway billboard safety message program 57,800* 250
•Dune Smart brochure 15,547 500
•BLM ISDRA “On The Ground” outreach 1,600 25*
•Printed media outreach 6,000 -
•Broadcast media outreach 16,000 -
•ISDRA cleanup outreach TBD TBD
•Law enforcement trailer 25,000 -
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Total UDG contribution** $121,900 * 775***
TBD – To Be Determined
* Includes estimated data
** NOT FINAL
*** The $/Hr will be provided by Steve Razo of BLM
HIGHWAY BILLBOARD SAFETY MESSAGE PROGRAM
This program was initiated by the El Centro Field Office in preparation for the 2002/03 Dune season. Funding was provided by a grant from the California State Parks Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation Division.
The 2003-04 program was coordinated by the American Sand Association (ASA) and expanded to six billboards for the 2003-04 season. Funding was provided by Sand Sports business sponsors and the Imperial County Sheriffs’ Office (ICSO) joined the program.
The UDG joined the 2004-05 program and a total of fourteen billboards are in place. The following is a summary of the cost of this program:
Rental $34,275
Production cost $7,530 * Estimated
Graphic artist $6,000 *
ASA Website and Newsletter $10,000*
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Total $57,805
Volunteer administrative support = 250 hours
In addition to the above outreach value the billboard artwork is displayed on the ASA website and the program is the subject of a feature article in the ASA December 2004 Newsletter. The added value is estimated to be $10,000 *.
DUNE SMART BROCHURE
This brochure was produced by ASA at the suggestion of the Imperial Sand Dunes Manager. The brochure includes the BLM’s national alcohol message. ASA volunteers prepared the text and the artwork. Four major business sponsors underwrote the printing cost. The following is a summary of the cost of this program:
Printing cost $14,881
Shipping $666
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Total $15,547
Volunteer support = 500 hours
In addition to the volunteer hours associated with the preparation of the brochure volunteers distributed the brochure at trade shows and at ISDRA. This is estimated to be 500 hours.
BLM ISDRA “On The Ground” OUTREACH
Beginning with the 2004-05 New Years weekend BLM added emphasis to their “On The Ground” outreach at ISDRA. BLM designed a new flyer entitled “Take Time Out For Safety.” ASA arranged for the printing of 60,000 copies. The ICSO provided trade show type bags that were stuffed with this flyer and other material by jail inmates. The following is a summary of the cost of this program:
Flyer printing cost $1,500 * Estimated
Trade show bags $100*
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Total $1,600
Volunteer support 25 hours
PRINTED MEDIA OUTREACH
ASA arranged for the BLM “National Alcohol” message to be published in three sand sport periodicals. The estimated value this public safety outreach opportunity is $6,000 based on three half-page ads.
BROADCAST MEDIA OUTREACH
Working in conjunction with the UDG Wally Cahill, Motorsports Mania
talk show host has interviewed BLM Management, UDG leadership, OHV leadership and Sand Sport business sponsors. Based on the value of the airtime this outreach contribution amounts to $16,000.
ISDRA CLEANUP OUTREACH
Significant volunteer time is committed thru organized cleanup activities. One such stewardship opportunity occurred on January 15. The estimated ISDRA visitor volunteer hours are noted below.
January 5, 2005 Cleanup
Estimated Volunteer Hours
South dunes TBD
North dunes TBD
Total TBD
LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAILER
In September of 2003 Weekend Warrior (WW) offered to supply BLM with a trailer to support law enforcement objectives for the Imperial Sand Dunes. Arrangements were finalized with the recent signing of a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU). The trailer will display a mutually acceptable public safety message. The value of the trailer is $25,000. This equates to $250/month according to WW.
The United Desert Gateway (UDG) was formed as a direct result of the Partners in Stewardship conference held in Los Angeles, California on November 17-20, 2003.
The conference keynote speakers and the partnership building sessions set the stage for the execution of an Assistance Agreement between the Imperial Sand Dunes gateway communities of Brawley, El Centro and Yuma with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) in September of 2004. In less than twelve months the UDG has identified and implemented several “Partners in Stewardship” projects that have provided volunteer and economic resources. This report documents these projects and demonstrates the UDG contribution. Under the terms of the Assistance Agreement dated September 17, 2004 the UDG is responsible for support of Task Order objectives through cost sharing activities. Two Task Orders have been proposed and are pending final approval.
SUMMARY OF COST SHARING ACTIVITIES
Dollars Hours
•Highway billboard safety message program 57,800* 250
•Dune Smart brochure 15,547 500
•BLM ISDRA “On The Ground” outreach 1,600 25*
•Printed media outreach 6,000 -
•Broadcast media outreach 16,000 -
•ISDRA cleanup outreach TBD TBD
•Law enforcement trailer 25,000 -
_________________________________________________________________
Total UDG contribution** $121,900 * 775***
TBD – To Be Determined
* Includes estimated data
** NOT FINAL
*** The $/Hr will be provided by Steve Razo of BLM
HIGHWAY BILLBOARD SAFETY MESSAGE PROGRAM
This program was initiated by the El Centro Field Office in preparation for the 2002/03 Dune season. Funding was provided by a grant from the California State Parks Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation Division.
The 2003-04 program was coordinated by the American Sand Association (ASA) and expanded to six billboards for the 2003-04 season. Funding was provided by Sand Sports business sponsors and the Imperial County Sheriffs’ Office (ICSO) joined the program.
The UDG joined the 2004-05 program and a total of fourteen billboards are in place. The following is a summary of the cost of this program:
Rental $34,275
Production cost $7,530 * Estimated
Graphic artist $6,000 *
ASA Website and Newsletter $10,000*
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Total $57,805
Volunteer administrative support = 250 hours
In addition to the above outreach value the billboard artwork is displayed on the ASA website and the program is the subject of a feature article in the ASA December 2004 Newsletter. The added value is estimated to be $10,000 *.
DUNE SMART BROCHURE
This brochure was produced by ASA at the suggestion of the Imperial Sand Dunes Manager. The brochure includes the BLM’s national alcohol message. ASA volunteers prepared the text and the artwork. Four major business sponsors underwrote the printing cost. The following is a summary of the cost of this program:
Printing cost $14,881
Shipping $666
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Total $15,547
Volunteer support = 500 hours
In addition to the volunteer hours associated with the preparation of the brochure volunteers distributed the brochure at trade shows and at ISDRA. This is estimated to be 500 hours.
BLM ISDRA “On The Ground” OUTREACH
Beginning with the 2004-05 New Years weekend BLM added emphasis to their “On The Ground” outreach at ISDRA. BLM designed a new flyer entitled “Take Time Out For Safety.” ASA arranged for the printing of 60,000 copies. The ICSO provided trade show type bags that were stuffed with this flyer and other material by jail inmates. The following is a summary of the cost of this program:
Flyer printing cost $1,500 * Estimated
Trade show bags $100*
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Total $1,600
Volunteer support 25 hours
PRINTED MEDIA OUTREACH
ASA arranged for the BLM “National Alcohol” message to be published in three sand sport periodicals. The estimated value this public safety outreach opportunity is $6,000 based on three half-page ads.
BROADCAST MEDIA OUTREACH
Working in conjunction with the UDG Wally Cahill, Motorsports Mania
talk show host has interviewed BLM Management, UDG leadership, OHV leadership and Sand Sport business sponsors. Based on the value of the airtime this outreach contribution amounts to $16,000.
ISDRA CLEANUP OUTREACH
Significant volunteer time is committed thru organized cleanup activities. One such stewardship opportunity occurred on January 15. The estimated ISDRA visitor volunteer hours are noted below.
January 5, 2005 Cleanup
Estimated Volunteer Hours
South dunes TBD
North dunes TBD
Total TBD
LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAILER
In September of 2003 Weekend Warrior (WW) offered to supply BLM with a trailer to support law enforcement objectives for the Imperial Sand Dunes. Arrangements were finalized with the recent signing of a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU). The trailer will display a mutually acceptable public safety message. The value of the trailer is $25,000. This equates to $250/month according to WW.
Seems great. With all this now helping out - what of our FEEs that are supposed to help also??
Quick stupid question. The billboards. They are BIG and they are NICE - I see them all through Yuma, El Centro, and Brawley - Looks like the cost of them is about 60 to who? Business name on there, ASA, and the likes? Then the UDG gives that money back? To whom do they give it to?
Joe Fab has a cool one that catche my eye all the time. Im sure Sand Limo paid a large portion of the board. So did ASA, BLM, and ?? - when the re-imbursements come back - where do they go?
Thanks for your patience in my ignorance..
Quick stupid question. The billboards. They are BIG and they are NICE - I see them all through Yuma, El Centro, and Brawley - Looks like the cost of them is about 60 to who? Business name on there, ASA, and the likes? Then the UDG gives that money back? To whom do they give it to?
Joe Fab has a cool one that catche my eye all the time. Im sure Sand Limo paid a large portion of the board. So did ASA, BLM, and ?? - when the re-imbursements come back - where do they go?
Thanks for your patience in my ignorance..
The money does not comeback per se. The federal government (Interior department) has funds that they allocate to local offices, in this case the BLM, to fund things above and beyond what the local office can fund through their local budget. This funds are called matching funds because they are allocated based on the local volunteers efforts. Things such as the safety messages on the billboards, safe duning brochure and clean up efforts are all examples of local volunteer efforts.
The various sponsors of the safety messages on the billboards paid for those and do not receive any money back. Through their generous efforts matching funds are returned to be used for the good of the whole dune community.
Because of the partnership between the UDG and the BLM some of these funds will be used for such things as visitor outreach and education and a study to document the financial impact on the local communities by the dune users. This is important as decisions about the dunes have to take into account the economic impact of these decisions on the local economy, so it’s important to have accurate, verifiable data on the impact of the dune user on the local economy.
I hope this will give you a little more insight into this issue and the importance of the volunteer efforts of everyone and that those volunteer efforts are well documented and communicated to the BLM.
The various sponsors of the safety messages on the billboards paid for those and do not receive any money back. Through their generous efforts matching funds are returned to be used for the good of the whole dune community.
Because of the partnership between the UDG and the BLM some of these funds will be used for such things as visitor outreach and education and a study to document the financial impact on the local communities by the dune users. This is important as decisions about the dunes have to take into account the economic impact of these decisions on the local economy, so it’s important to have accurate, verifiable data on the impact of the dune user on the local economy.
I hope this will give you a little more insight into this issue and the importance of the volunteer efforts of everyone and that those volunteer efforts are well documented and communicated to the BLM.
Thanks Doc.. That helped alot. Now I see what / how it works. Thanks
How about using those funds to build some more pads, or campgrounds
How about extending gecko rd, or at least fix the existing pads
How about extending gecko rd, or at least fix the existing pads
QUOTE(Sandwizard @ Feb 18 2005, 01:41 AM)
How about using those funds to build some more pads, or campgrounds
How about extending gecko rd, or at least fix the existing pads
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How about extending gecko rd, or at least fix the existing pads
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Excellent suggestions!
Which leads me to another thought... who decides how the "matched funds" are spent? Are the matching funds thrown into the same big pot as our fee dollars and then just used to pay for the next available "task?" Is there a list of tasks that an organization can pick from? Are priorities assigned to the tasks?
The new law enforcement buggy was mentioned in the "staff report." Did the matched funds pay for that? Was the law enforcement trailer in the budget and so now our fee demo money is responsible for $25,000 less than it was? Was it a task?
Yeah, I know... questions, questions, questions... I'll save the rest for Glamis
Vicki
QUOTE(Sandwizard @ Feb 18 2005, 01:41 AM)
How about using those funds to build some more pads, or campgrounds
How about extending gecko rd, or at least fix the existing pads
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How about extending gecko rd, or at least fix the existing pads
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Osman and Chummin , The things you are asking for are covered in the New RAMP when it comes out through the business plan.
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QUOTE(Sandwizard @ Feb 18 2005, 01:41 AM)
How about using those funds to build some more pads, or campgrounds
How about extending gecko rd, or at least fix the existing pads
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How about extending gecko rd, or at least fix the existing pads
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Excellent suggestions!
Which leads me to another thought... who decides how the "matched funds" are spent? Are the matching funds thrown into the same big pot as our fee dollars and then just used to pay for the next available "task?" Is there a list of tasks that an organization can pick from? Are priorities assigned to the tasks?
The new law enforcement buggy was mentioned in the "staff report." Did the matched funds pay for that? Was the law enforcement trailer in the budget and so now our fee demo money is responsible for $25,000 less than it was? Was it a task?
Yeah, I know... questions, questions, questions... I'll save the rest for Glamis
Vicki
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Vicki ,Its not nearly that complicated.
The Matching funds are to be used to fund the task orders. They will not be thrown into DEMO Fee. The 2 are completly seperate.
I would assume the priorities will be determined by the UDG and its partners.
No , the new LEO buggy was not taken out of either Demo FEE ,matching funds or the field office O&M budgets. In fact it was a result of ASA's relationship with Bill Woody the national BLM LEO officer.
All of these things have been extremly well documented in our (ASA newsletters) UDG has had many workshops and meetings all of which have been publicized .
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Vicki , I just reread the UDG report. No cleanup hrs are being used as matching funds. Is DUNERS going to release the #'s to the UDG so we can all benifit from those hours ?
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Vicki , I just reread the UDG report. No cleanup hrs are being used as matching funds. Is DUNERS going to release the #'s to the UDG so we can all benifit from those hours ?
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I recently learned it's not that simple, after asking Linda Hansen specifically about the cleanups when we last spoke. Apparently it's not real clear where they fit in exactly.
A "task order" would be something like, oh, the kiosk in the south dunes that has been neglected. The BLM has the materials to fix it but is lacking the manpower. So if some energetic souls volunteer their labor to fix it, using the BLM's materials, that task order will be completed and the volunteer hours will be counted.
Vicki
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QUOTE(Sandwizard @ Feb 18 2005, 01:41 AM)
How about using those funds to build some more pads, or campgrounds
How about extending gecko rd, or at least fix the existing pads
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How about extending gecko rd, or at least fix the existing pads
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Osman and Chummin , The things you are asking for are covered in the New RAMP when it comes out through the business plan.
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That would be wonderful but I thought this "task order" was part of the (still in place) 1987 RAMP, but was not part of the preferred alternative for the shiney new RAMP we're all waiting for. Maybe my memory is fuzzy... that was several years ago.
Sure would be dandy.
Vicki
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QUOTE(GRANT@FUNCO @ Feb 18 2005, 08:04 AM)
QUOTE(Sandwizard @ Feb 18 2005, 01:41 AM)
How about using those funds to build some more pads, or campgrounds
How about extending gecko rd, or at least fix the existing pads
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How about extending gecko rd, or at least fix the existing pads
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Osman and Chummin , The things you are asking for are covered in the New RAMP when it comes out through the business plan.
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That would be wonderful but I thought this "task order" was part of the (still in place) 1987 RAMP, but was not part of the preferred alternative for the shiney new RAMP we're all waiting for. Maybe my memory is fuzzy... that was several years ago.
Sure would be dandy.
Vicki
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I don't think extending Gecko was in the 87 RAMP. Even back then the center of the Dunes were desiginated "L" or limited use. Regardless extending Gecko won't ever happen in my view.
When I spoke to it not being that complicated I meant it had nothing to do with Fee money . The Kiosk example you used would fall under the outreach task order . And if done as you explained it would be a win win win . UDG money would be used , Leaving Demo fee money for other on the ground duties and We would get volunteer hrs for future cost matching.
Grant,
"NEW" ramp or "The New Ramp".. Any revisions to it in the last 4 mos?
"NEW" ramp or "The New Ramp".. Any revisions to it in the last 4 mos?
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I don't think extending Gecko was in the 87 RAMP. Even back then the center of the Dunes were desiginated "L" or limited use. Regardless extending Gecko won't ever happen in my view.
IIRC Grant, Vicki is right that in one of the "older" RAMPs there was a plan to extend Gecko-not sure if it was the '87 RAMP or a different one though. Jim Colln has brought it up at times also. I also agree with you though that we will never actually see it happen
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QUOTE(GRANT@FUNCO @ Feb 18 2005, 09:52 AM)
I don't think extending Gecko was in the 87 RAMP. Even back then the center of the Dunes were desiginated "L" or limited use. Regardless extending Gecko won't ever happen in my view.
IIRC Grant, Vicki is right that in one of the "older" RAMPs there was a plan to extend Gecko-not sure if it was the '87 RAMP or a different one though. Jim Colln has brought it up at times also. I also agree with you though that we will never actually see it happen
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I Don't understand why Gecko can't be extended I thought the AMA was modified to allow more area on the NW part of it, it would seem not that far fetch to take it down a mile or so and add/extend 6 or more of the existing pads, it would not be that hard to double camping capacity, generating more fees, and relieving congestion.
But, I guess if you want built in capacity limits just leave it alone. With the exception of some pit toilets along wash rd, I really can’t think of another item more in demand. That would benefit all dune users.
AS for the BLM New Buggy and Trailer, it’s needed and the Co. that provides it should be able to profit from it. It’s the American way. I don’t think 1 or 2 Buggys, or trailers is going to make a financial difference to either company. And adds to the positive PR part of it, a real benefit to all users.
650.00 for a hammer, and 1350.00 for a toilet seat, now there’s something to cry about.
QUOTE(Sandwizard @ Feb 18 2005, 11:40 AM)
But, I guess if you want built in capacity limits just leave it alone. With the exception of some pit toilets along wash rd, I really can’t think of another item more in demand. That would benefit all dune users.
Sorry but extending Gecko won't help "all dune users". I have absolutely zero interest in camping in an apartment complex nor do I need or want pavement. I personally would like to see less paved camping areas as they seem to attract the trouble makers more than anything.
To me extending Gecko does the opposite of help. It makes it easier for more trouble makers without off road vehicles to come out and give us a bad name. It uses funds that could be used to provide services that all dune users could truely benefit from (more outreach, more information, more EMT's).
I still say the BLM needs to turn Gecko into a full fledged campground with it's own separate fee system. If people want a campground experience they should pay for it and let those of us who enjoy more primitive camping continue to experience the dunes the way we prefer without having to pitch in to fund their campground.
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QUOTE(GRANT@FUNCO @ Feb 18 2005, 08:22 AM)
Vicki , I just reread the UDG report. No cleanup hrs are being used as matching funds. Is DUNERS going to release the #'s to the UDG so we can all benifit from those hours ?
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I recently learned it's not that simple, after asking Linda Hansen specifically about the cleanups when we last spoke. Apparently it's not real clear where they fit in exactly.
Vicki
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I think Grant asked if the volunteer hours "could be" turned over to the UDG, as they would benefit for US volunteering, not the BLM.
I know that those in our club put down about 4 hours each for the cleanup... (40 x 4 = 160 hours volunteered) 3000 x 2 = 6000 hours... WOW. 
I don't know if you seen my earlier question about the 3000 volunteers in my first post???
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In the next ASA quarterly newsletter due out soon (March) has information about the UDG and highlights from the ASA board meeting. I don't remember hearing about any transfer of volunteer hours? It looks like the number of volunteers is up from last year for the cleanup, great job everyone. Are those 3000 just the Glamis cleanup numbers or are they combined with the South Dunes cleanup that same weekend? I hope just the Glamis one...
Jim
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Are those 3000 just the Glamis cleanup numbers or are they combined with the South Dunes cleanup that same weekend? I hope just the Glamis one... Jim
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QUOTE(luvdunin @ Feb 18 2005, 10:14 AM)
IIRC Grant, Vicki is right that in one of the "older" RAMPs there was a plan to extend Gecko-not sure if it was the '87 RAMP or a different one though. Jim Colln has brought it up at times also. I also agree with you though that we will never actually see it happen
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Well, that was back in the 70's, I believe in the 1972's plan...that never happened due to $$$ and in 1978 I believe wanting the SWA (Study Wilderness Area) in the central part area (now temp closed
) to become a National one like the 1994 one North of Hwy 78. That central area is listed as Limited and if Gecko Road was extended it would no way be Limited due to ease of reaching it from a paved road. Remember the BLM's report states: the majority of recreation happens within 2 miles of paved highways... So it propably won't happen in my lifetime... Jim
QUOTE(Sanduners @ Feb 18 2005, 12:14 PM)
I think Grant asked if the volunteer hours "could be" turned over to the UDG, as they would benefit for US volunteering, not the BLM. I know that those in our club put down about 4 hours each for the cleanup... (40 x 4 = 160 hours volunteered) 3000 x 2 = 6000 hours... WOW. [right][snapback]867724[/snapback][/right]
I know that those in our club put down about 4 hours each for the cleanup... (40 x 4 = 160 hours volunteered) 3000 x 2 = 6000 hours... WOW. [right][snapback]867724[/snapback][/right]No, if what the Desert District Manager told me is correct (and she should certainly know). From what I was told, and at this point in time I believe the UDG is also aware of it, the cleanup hours cannot go into the UDG's pool of volunteer hours. Something about the agreement between the BLM and the UDG regarding outreach, task order fulfillment, etc., being very specific.
However, the hours will be "credited" as they have been in years past.
Vicki
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I don't know if you seen my earlier question about the 3000 volunteers in my first post???
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Are those 3000 just the Glamis cleanup numbers or are they combined with the South Dunes cleanup that same weekend? I hope just the Glamis one...
Jim
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Sorry... missed it.
The only numbers I would have are from the north dunes cleanup
Vicki
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QUOTE(Sanduners @ Feb 18 2005, 12:14 PM)
I don't know if you seen my earlier question about the 3000 volunteers in my first post???
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Are those 3000 just the Glamis cleanup numbers or are they combined with the South Dunes cleanup that same weekend? I hope just the Glamis one...
Jim
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Sorry... missed it.
The only numbers I would have are from the north dunes cleanup
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Well that is Great News, then that beats last years numbers for the cleanup by hundreds...
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Number of volunteers: 2472; number of volunteer hours: 10488.
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Add to that the South Dunes Cleanup and we have almost another 1000 volunteers and hours to add in... pretty impressive I say...
Must be the biggest single day cleanup around the country...
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I still say the BLM needs to turn Gecko into a full fledged campground with it's own separate fee system. If people want a campground experience they should pay for it and let those of us who enjoy more primitive camping continue to experience the dunes the way we prefer without having to pitch in to fund their campground.
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I still say the BLM needs to turn Gecko into a full fledged campground with it's own separate fee system. If people want a campground experience they should pay for it and let those of us who enjoy more primitive camping continue to experience the dunes the way we prefer without having to pitch in to fund their campground.
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Lets not stop there, the washes could be set up as "Group Camping areas with reservation required", Tent camping in Wash 20-24 only(sorry no toilets, got to keep it "primitive camping"), Vender area could have parking and entry admission fees, Oh lets not forget Valet service also
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If people want a campground experience they should pay for it and let those of us who enjoy more primitive camping continue to experience the dunes the way we prefer without having to pitch in to fund their campground.
Sounds good to how about reserved space for the season at 5000.00 a for a season pass, Just tell me where to send the check,
Oh yea, make sure theres a gaurd shack for the Gecko gated community.
Did I say that outload
I'm with ya osman.EFFEN WASHERS 
Yes let's keep the washes as primative as possible...saddle up them horses and head out don't forget to bail the hay.
Everyone that goes to G has some requirement of non primative creature comforts. Clearly the number of RV campers has out grown tent campers. So we do need to have places for the RV's, trailers, and tent campers. Gecko road does not need to be lenghten, just needs more DG turn outs roads for camping pads. The turn outs should be greater than 100 ft from Gecko road similar to cement flats. Camping pads right next to the road are dangerous
The primative campers are hiking in the wilderness area
don't forget to bail the hay. Everyone that goes to G has some requirement of non primative creature comforts. Clearly the number of RV campers has out grown tent campers. So we do need to have places for the RV's, trailers, and tent campers. Gecko road does not need to be lenghten, just needs more DG turn outs roads for camping pads. The turn outs should be greater than 100 ft from Gecko road similar to cement flats. Camping pads right next to the road are dangerous
The primative campers are hiking in the wilderness area
Washers just need some shitters is all. Not those porta pottis that are only out on the big weekends that get flipped.. 
Voice of experience there, chum?
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Yea I'll go along with that sandrat, in the order of Keyhole, but just a little bigger.
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I'm with ya osman.EFFEN WASHERS
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Hay I know some of them there washers, and there alright by me, it's just not my cup of tea camping in the washes, too scary getting out to the dunes. Pad 4 is my camp of choice, never had a problem with condo camping. 2 min. out and I'm rippin bowls, and a whole lot better sand.
Oop's there I go again daydreaming I'm wrong shitty and cramped camping, never find a spot, and the sad way worse than out by the washes, never camp on Gecko rd not worth it.
Jason you headed out next WE
Osman
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Yea I'll go along with that sandrat, in the order of Keyhole, but just a little bigger.
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I'm with ya osman.EFFEN WASHERS
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Hay I know some of them there washers, and there alright by me, it's just not my cup of tea camping in the washes, too scary getting out to the dunes. Pad 4 is my camp of choice, never had a problem with condo camping. 2 min. out and I'm rippin bowls, and a whole lot better sand.
Oop's there I go again daydreaming I'm wrong shitty and cramped camping, never find a spot, and the sad way worse than out by the washes, never camp on Gecko rd not worth it.
Jason you headed out next WE
Osman
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Voice of experience there, chum?
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Actually Yes. Last weekend I was in a tent. I still like the freedom of camping in a tent and do it 3-4 times a season on average. I have many friends that are in Tents full time or enclosed trailers without bathrooms.
Not only is it a pain to get up and Zero dark thrity to do the deed, On a crowded weekend - its a 20 min ride to get out of view as not to offend anyone with the deed.
That would be #1 on my list for next season. Simply multiply me by hundreds and hundres. More women would come out with their other halves also if there were bathrooms and they didnt have to ask a fellow duner for a crapper (embarrasing).
IMO..
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that get flipped..
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Oh it sounded like maybe a guy was in one at the time
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No, if what the Desert District Manager told me is correct (and she should certainly know). From what I was told, and at this point in time I believe the UDG is also aware of it, the cleanup hours cannot go into the UDG's pool of volunteer hours. Something about the agreement between the BLM and the UDG regarding outreach, task order fulfillment, etc., being very specific.
However, the hours will be "credited" as they have been in years past.
Vicki
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Do we know what specifically they will be credited to?
After all the cleanups North and South have there ever been any residual benifits for the users. Other than the obvious , which is cleaner dunes.
Have you spoken to Nicole?
If you look at the outreach T/O I would think we can roll the clean up hours into it without to much difficulty.
The BLM typically always says no till they are shown the light . LOL
[quote=Sanduners,Feb 18 2005, 12:14 PM]I think Grant asked if the volunteer hours "could be" turned over to the UDG, as they would benefit for US volunteering, not the BLM.
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No, if what the Desert District Manager told me is correct (and she should certainly know). From what I was told, and at this point in time I believe the UDG is also aware of it, the cleanup hours cannot go into the UDG's pool of volunteer hours. Something about the agreement between the BLM and the UDG regarding outreach, task order fulfillment, etc., being very specific.
However, the hours will be "credited" as they have been in years past.
Vicki
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Do we know what specifically they will be credited to?
After all the cleanups North and South have there ever been any residual benifits for the users. Other than the obvious , which is cleaner dunes.
Have you spoken to Nicole?
If you look at the outreach T/O I would think we can roll the clean up hours into it without to much difficulty.
The BLM typically always says no till they are shown the light . LOL
ummm..Grant, your fingers were a little fat...the U is next to the I key...you menat IDG right?
Me, miss type ..... Neber happen .....
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