I heard that you have to stop and buy a california OHV temporary registration to ride at GW. Is this true and how much is the damn thing. Also what is the fee for getting into the area. Per person per quad or per vehicle

Aaron

The answer is technically YES. Most shops sell them, they are 20.00. However, if you have an AZ OHV plate, I am not sure if you have to have the sticker too...

If you have an AZ OHV Plate you do not need a sticker. They are required to honor your AZ license, but it is only 20 bucks for a sticker. The price is per quad.

You will also need a parking pass they are 90 for a season or 25 for week if I remember right. That might be what they were tlking about.

what he said is right.and your orv plate has to be mounted so they can see it,it cannot be in the truck..or whatever. :

You also need to keep a copy of the registration paper with the bike when you are out riding.

To sum up-
If your quads are titled here in AZ and you have an AZ ORV plate you do not need an out of state sticker. You do need to keep the paperwork with you for the bike and mount the ORV plate in an easily seen area of the rear of the bike.

If you do not have an AZ ORV plate then you need a sticker.

wow this sure has changed in the 10 years its been since I was last out here. Do they at least give me a tube of lube before screwing me???

This is from state laws.

STATE OF CALIFORNIA
OFF HIGHWAY VEHICLE LAWS
This page does not address ALL California OHV laws. Please remember it is your responsibility to know the law.
HELMET USAGE. All persons, regardless of age, who operate or ride all terrain vehicles (ATV's) on public lands in California must wear an approved safety helmet. (38505 C.V.C.)

REGISTRATION.
1. Vehicles operated on federal and state highways, county roads, and BLM's Gecko Road, Gray's Well Road, and McCain Valley must be licensed for highway use.
2. Off highway vehicles owned by California residents must be registered with the California Department of Motor Vehicles and display a valid Green Sticker or Red Sticker Vehicle Identification Tag (38020,38010 C.V.C.) in a clearly visible location on the vehicle. (38170 C.V.C.) View Red Sticker riding schedule. (This link will take you out of the BLM California Web site.)
3. Off highway vehicles that do not have a valid registration or permit from the owners home state (incl. Mexico and Canada) will be required to purchase a California nonresident permit (sticker) through selected vendors in CA, NV, AZ (view vendor list). (This link will take you out of the BLM California Web site.) Permits may also be purchased from CA Dept. of Parks and Recreation 916 324-4442. (38020 C.V.C.)

REQUIRED EQUIPMENT. According to California State law, any off highway vehicle must be equipped with an approved muffler, brakes, and spark arrester. Headlight and taillight are required for operation at night. Tail lights must include at least one red light.

FOR MORE INFORMATION: Contact BLM El Centro Field Office at 760-337-4400

Page last updated: 2004-09-10 14:53:50.45

What made things confusing this year is that CA declared they would not recognize the AZ OHV plates as they don't meet the CA definition of "registration" and are only "title" plates.

That was a CA state level decision and was published in a number of CA flyers. AZ OHV flyers seem to support that our plates are really only "proof of title" and not "proof of registration".

However the BLM has said that they do consider the AZ plates to be sufficient and will accept them - but they do expect to see the paperwork that goes along with the plate.

So if the only place in CA you go is the dunes you should be safe with your AZ plates. Elsewhere in CA like the state OHV areas you may still need to bend over and give them the $20.

I bought my quads used and dont think I have any plates to go with them. So it looks like im out 40 bucks

Aaron

$40 per year no less as the out of state stickers are only good for a year.

You should be able to get paperwork for your quads though the DMV - if you didn't get titles with them it will be harder but it's still a good idea...even with an out of state sticker if you ever get pulled over for anything and they turn up stolen. Well, it's probably better to find that out at the DMV than out in the wild.

AZ registrations are lifetime regs and they're under $20 - pretty good deal IMHO.

According to an official CA OHV Division document in my hands at this time, "The California Nonresident OHV Permit Program":

"Arizona residents should note that unless their OHV is registered for use on the streets and highways, the plated issued to them is for "title" only and is not considered a legal "registration" plate in California."

Given the above, I'd say unless the Arizona OHV meets the requirement above, you need to purchase a Non-Resident sticker.

And, while BLM may not be enforcing the law at the ISDRA, the Imperial County Sheriff very well may!

And AZDEVIL or Dunerat all you have to do is go down to DMV in mesa and get your plates.

Duck:

That docuement was published incorrectly. A lot of time has been spent researching this issue by concerned people in Az. After several phone calls and discussion on definitions of "registrations", it was determined that AZ OHV plates will be recognized by Ca LEOs. In fact, Ca law states that if you do your research.

Az OHV riders, properly display your OHV registration plate as required by AZ law, securely fastened to the rear, and carry you OHV registration paperwork. You do NOT need to buy the Ca sticker, unless you don't have you AZ plate.

An Az OHV plate is a lot cheaper than a Ca sticker, and you have to have your Az plate to ride in Az anyway.

Does anyone know if you can order a permit on the web? where?

Jason

Tim, you may have indeed done your homework on this but we have received nothing from California that amends or corrects (if an error was made) what I provided in my previous post.

I called within the past few months the OHV Division in California and talked with the person in charge of this program and he stands by the statement I provided in the brochure cited above.

Perhaps you could provide your evidence and I'll submit the same to the Division and get their official opinion.

Duck, call again, speak to the State Parks Director, not a subordinate. Things have changed.

Anyway, that document is just a brochure with an "opinion" stated in it. The CA law states otherwise.

Basically, I'm right!

I have not heard of anyone recently getting a citation for this. If a citation is written for this by a mis-informed LEO, it is easily defended in court.

IF YOU HAVE YOUR ARIZONA RV PLATE, YOU DON"T NEED TO BUY THE CALIFORNIA NON-RESIDENT PERMIT, PERIOD.

If you are chicken, go ahead and buy it anyway and give more money to those green eco-wackos on the CA OHV commision so they can use the money for anti-OHV purposes.

Too bad CA citizens don't demand steadfast OHV enthusiasts to be on the commision. Its your money and you are letting them use it agaist you.

I'm hearing that you spoke with the State Parks Director - Ruth Coleman about this. Or was it the Deputy Director of the Division?

The person I spoke with is in charge of the Non-Resident program. I'm not sure, but I assume that he cleared this statement with the Attorney General's office and "higher-ups" within the Division before they printed this information.

But just to make sure once again, I'll contact Bryan.

Please point out to me the California State law you refer to.

Finally, California state law and the current political environment dictate who is appointed to the OHV Commission - not the OHV community. There is an effort afoot via the "little Hoover Commission" to eliminate the OHV Commission.

I received an up-date regarding this issue today from a high level decisionmaker in Sacramento.

The OHV Division believes that they are indeed correct on some of the Arizona OHV's, especially those who have a "RV" on their plate needing a California Non-Resident permit to operate in California. This provision contained in the brochure I spoke of earlier was based upon information garnered by the OHV Division from the Arizona DMV.

But because the Arizona OHV "program" is different than the one from California, and due to the fact that the California OHV Division has heard the issues raised by Arizona residents, the Division has decided to reassess the entire issue. Due to time constraints at the moment to fully assess the situation, the OHV Division has decided to not enforce the Non-Resident permit provision of California law until further discussions with Arizona officials and that of the Department of Parks and Recreation, and the Attorney General here in California, can be scheduled.

The bottom line here is that for the time being, Arizona residents who have a “RV” on their license plate may operate their OHV here in California without a Non-Resident permit. However, this issue will likely be in flux for only a few more months.

Soooo....

I guess California OHV division bureaucrats don't check the laws and facts prior to issuing sweeping statement on an OHV brochure that is liable to affect thousands of dollars of vistors money. Not to mention the costs of Ca OHV fund dollars to print incorrect brochures, which will have to be thrown away.

And, there is a potential for the hundreds, if not thousands, of Az dune visitors to request a refund for the non-resident permit, as they were wrongly told to purchase a permit that no law required. I doubt enough Az OHV enthusiasts would get together to investigate legal remedies.

Anyway....

California OHV division printed brochures stating that Az OHVs needed to buy non-resident stickers because 'someone' saw a statement on an Arizona OHV website, without checking out the facts!

The statement on the Az OHV was been taken off the website when Az OHV enthusiasts questioned OUR OHV bureaucrats. Why that statement was posted and where the information came from, no one admitted knowledge of who was responsible for that mis-information, but assumed it came from infomation sent out by Ca OHV bureaucrats.

I have done my research on this matter, as I don't like to post mis-information...

If Ca wants non-residents to pay an OHV fee, then the law will have to be changed in the state legistlature, which I'm sure will eventually happen.

Az is going to change the way OHVs are administered and we will soon be paying for a yearly sticker, much like Ca. This is currently being worked on and it will take about 2 to 3 years to implement.

Oh yeah...

Thanks, Steve, for confirming what I already said...

It helps for most to read from two different sources, from the states involved, that currently...

Arizona residents with RV registration plates do not need to purchase a non-resident sticker for their OHV.

Um Tim....I'm not sure what website you're talking about but that's not the only place that AZ made the statement that RV plates are not "registration" but only "Proof of Title".

I have a printed flyer from the AZ fish and Game department that I got at last years Y sport show about OHV laws in AZ. And that flyer spells out the position that RV plates are "Proof of title" only and only MC plates also include registration.

The website I saw (and posted a link to last year when this originally came up) was just a PDF of the printed flyer. I'll have to dig the flyer out of storage but IIRC it's copyright date was some time ago so this wasn't any kind of new info.

I do feel that CA refusing to accept what is legal in AZ is a crock. But at the same time having read the AZ laws and regulations regarding registration I can see how there is room for confusion. The two systems are so completely different that trying to find common ground between them is very difficult. But that dosn't mean someone should take advantage of the situation because the letter of the law dosn't match the intent.

I got this from the Laws & Safety (bunch of Crap)

Non-Resident Permit: As of January 1, 1998 you will need to purchase a special "Non-Resident OHV Permit" if you are not a California resident AND your off-highway vehicle or snowmobile is not registered in your home state. An Arizona “RV” plate is not registration and is not valid for OHV’s being used in California. For Arizona OHV information, visit the Arizona State Parks website at http://www.pr.state.az.us/partnerships/ohv/safety.html. To find out where these Non-Resident OHV Permits can be purchased and to get more information on the program, please contact a local Ranger or contact the OHMVR Division at:

I also received this Email from OHVINFO [OHVInfo@parks.ca.gov]

If your vehicle has an "RV" plate you need a non-resident permit if you have an "MC" plate you do not need a non-resident permit.

Please can someone else verify this, I dont want to pay 100 to ride in CA.

That is incorrect and it has been verified that AZ OHV Off road plates are acceptable if displayed on the rear of the OHV!

Next year Az will probably have a change on our OHV law where we will buy a sticker, much like CA, and AZ said they will sign an agreement with CA to recognize each others stickers.

My quads are street registered in AZ, so I'm in a totally different situation than off road plates, as Ca does not allow quads to have street plates there. No one could answer that one for me, except to say I was good with my registration for offroad use, but no on road use..

Can you tell me where you got your info, I have to throw it in a California Pencil Pushers face.

Thanks,

Chuck

Thanks I needed a good laugh today.

Sorry to say, but that one would also be your responsibility.
Make sure it's not in a glass bottle.
If they keep upping the fees for this and that...I'm leaning toward selling everything and buying a street licensed jeep.

I do not agree with any additional money we from out of state need to pay CA to ride there. I have a RV plate for my quad and thats all I am going to get. I have heard many different versions and read them all here. Basiclly - very few can say the same thing. I am a firm believer you need a sticker if your bike (or whatever) is NOT registered. My quad is registered and I do display my plate. I will now carry my papers with me (did not know about that part). So CA -
I am not buying a sticker and paying more $$ for YOUR probelms. I pay my $90 a year to ride at ISDRA and thats all you need CA.

Take that!!! CA

I should have made a note where I saw it in the forum. But someone has really outlined that you do NEED a "sticker" for your toy. Even if you do have the RV plate. This is a buch of BS as far as I am concerned. I feel for the people who have manys toys and have to fork out more $$$ just to play. Honselty - we pay enough with the $90 a year. Why are we been penalized by having to pay more???

Hey CA -

My understanding is, that the federal govenment has a "resiprosity" clause, meaning, if it's legal in one state, all states must honor that legality..

The same for foreign drivers licenses, they are legal here..

Ca. may be on a revenue hunt, but I'm sure the feds will win out..

This is wrong information you have been given. Go over the the ASA website and do a search there or in this forum. YOU DO NOT NEED A STICKER IF YOU HAVE AN RV LICENSE DISPLAYED PROPERLY.

What I find frustrating regarding this whole issue is the state's intent here. Essentially, this is a selective secondary tax designed to impugn a specific user group under a guise of noncompliance. However, there is no impact to the state as a result of user noncompliance and the "fee" does is not designed to offset any costs or impact as a result of the noncomplying user.

I would be like charging $20.00 at the border crossings for each car coming in to California from Arizona because automobiles in AZ do not have front license plates when they are required for California residents [Oh shoot!, I probably just gave liberals another idea]. The point is: How would not having a front license plate negatively impact CA? Likewise, how does owning an ATV from a state which does not require annual registration fiscally impact California when used at the dunes?

But what is most insidious is that this essentially, when you this break it down in its purest sense, this is a form of legalized racketeering sponsored by the state of California. Because based on its very premise, without any registration/title I could possibly have a stolen vehicle, and the leo's would have all rights to hassle me about ownership, however, as long as I am willing to pay the state of California $20.00 a year they will look the other way when being used in California.

This kind of abuse can ultimately backfire for the already overtaxed Californians. If Arizona ever becomes as mismanaged as CA, the politicians here will look for similar ways to tax out of state users with similar "fees". As an example, think about how many California registered boats use Arizona's beaches and waterways. A lot of revenue could be generated by having an out of state user sticker required for each boat that beaches in the channel at Havisu.

Just my 2 cents.

Bob

Man I couldn't of said it better myself. to the man....

damm where have you been?