Hi.
I've spent the evening at this great web site reading what people have posted, and have noticed that in some postings, there were comments about offering money for people to help get others out of a bind.
I ride at least 4 days a week in some god-awful country up here in Canada and in states like Montana and Utah, and have helped people out of binds, and myself been helped out of binds, and never once has money been even thought about. Where I come from, it goes without being said that if someone needs help, you help out, and that's the way it is. After all, one never knows when the difference between being helicoptered out on a stretcher or helicoptered out in a bodybag lies in the cell phone the guy has in his backpack, and all you'd really like him to do is stop and use it for a minute.
You know what they say: "What goes around, comes around."
Anyway, I just want you all to know that when I'm down there riding in your wonderful dunes, I'll be happy to help out where I can, and I hope that if you come across a big guy, face down in the sand, his nice shiny KTM all bent to hell lying close by, you'll be kind enough to help out too, 'cause chances are I won't be in any condition to "zip back to the truck" for a 20 spot.
Take care, and remember... "Rubber side down!"
Brad.
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Brad, welcome to the board it's great to hear that you silly Candians are just as gung ho about this stuff as we are and that you're brining the right attidude to the table.
The people talking about money in exchange for helping people out are to me just another symptom of the problems many of us are fighting to keep out of our dunes.
A real duner wouldn't accept money even if it was offered after the fact. They may accept a cool refreshing beverage from your cooler, or a top of up of their gas tank - but to me it's damn near insulting to offer me money for helping you out. (Even though God knows I could use some extra cash!)
Those who expect or require money to help someone out have no business in the dunes or any other off road area IMHO. They're the same kind of people who flagrantly break the rules then run from the ticket - and later ***** cry and moan about how rude the officer was when he finally caught up to them. They're the same people who will burn their truck to the ground to try and scam their insurance company instead of being a man (or woman) about it and taking some responsibility for their actions. They're the same people who's reaction to the CBD's lawsuit is "Burn the plants". They're the same people who fly down the sand highways and washroad endangering everyone around them because they don't have enough in their sac to drive in the dunes.
They're the ones who will get it all closed for all of us if we don't stand up and do something about them.
I've never failed to stop and help anyone who looks like they need it - and neither has anyone I'll camp with or dune with.
When you make it down here I'm sure you'll find that the VAST majority of duners are the same way. If you ever need help you probably won't even have to ask for it - a true duner will offer it up without being asked or reimbursed.
Oh - and sorry about that 'silly Canadian' thing. I grew up near Cleveland and it's just kind of a habbit to poke fun at our friendly neighbors to the north. It's all ment in good fun
The people talking about money in exchange for helping people out are to me just another symptom of the problems many of us are fighting to keep out of our dunes.
A real duner wouldn't accept money even if it was offered after the fact. They may accept a cool refreshing beverage from your cooler, or a top of up of their gas tank - but to me it's damn near insulting to offer me money for helping you out. (Even though God knows I could use some extra cash!)
Those who expect or require money to help someone out have no business in the dunes or any other off road area IMHO. They're the same kind of people who flagrantly break the rules then run from the ticket - and later ***** cry and moan about how rude the officer was when he finally caught up to them. They're the same people who will burn their truck to the ground to try and scam their insurance company instead of being a man (or woman) about it and taking some responsibility for their actions. They're the same people who's reaction to the CBD's lawsuit is "Burn the plants". They're the same people who fly down the sand highways and washroad endangering everyone around them because they don't have enough in their sac to drive in the dunes.
They're the ones who will get it all closed for all of us if we don't stand up and do something about them.
I've never failed to stop and help anyone who looks like they need it - and neither has anyone I'll camp with or dune with.
When you make it down here I'm sure you'll find that the VAST majority of duners are the same way. If you ever need help you probably won't even have to ask for it - a true duner will offer it up without being asked or reimbursed.
Oh - and sorry about that 'silly Canadian' thing. I grew up near Cleveland and it's just kind of a habbit to poke fun at our friendly neighbors to the north. It's all ment in good fun
While riding in the dunes there is a simple hand signal that duners know about...
It's the thumbs up signal.
It sounds a bit quaint but it works like this...
If you are riding by someone who is not moving, maybe they are parked for a break or to take a leak, whatever, that person gives the thumbs up. It means, "Thanks for checkin but I'm cool"
On the other hand, if someone waves or some how tries to get your attention then it's stop every time. EVERY TIME.
I am also like Jason, I would never accept money for helping someone out. Helping is part of the Glamis experience and it don't come at a cost. And, although there is alot of talk about those "non-duners" out there, I would even stop and help them. Believe me I've helped out my share of folks who didn't even give me a thank you but it's all good. I know that I did my best and I probably enjoyed myself when I did it.
Glamis is a way of life
PastorVor
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May the Dune Gods Smile Upon You
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It's the thumbs up signal.
It sounds a bit quaint but it works like this...
If you are riding by someone who is not moving, maybe they are parked for a break or to take a leak, whatever, that person gives the thumbs up. It means, "Thanks for checkin but I'm cool"
On the other hand, if someone waves or some how tries to get your attention then it's stop every time. EVERY TIME.
I am also like Jason, I would never accept money for helping someone out. Helping is part of the Glamis experience and it don't come at a cost. And, although there is alot of talk about those "non-duners" out there, I would even stop and help them. Believe me I've helped out my share of folks who didn't even give me a thank you but it's all good. I know that I did my best and I probably enjoyed myself when I did it.
Glamis is a way of life
PastorVor
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May the Dune Gods Smile Upon You
ShiftingDunes.com
I agree i would never ask or expect anything in return for helping someone out, because eventully you will need that help!!!
I learned a few hand signals too on a recent trip to the dunes.From a very nice man and his wife who were broken down on sand highway about midnight.
There were several people ahead of me who saw this couple and passed them up without a thought.I stopped and quickly found out why they had been there so long.They were both deaf and could not speak.Therefore not able to yell at people who drove right by.
After a few scribbles in the sand I explained that I would go back to camp and drop my bike off and return to pick them up.I took them back to their camp and unloaded their 3 wheeler.To my surprise,the whole camp was deaf too,about 25 or 30 of them.We shared a beverage or two with them and shortly returned to our own camp.
To this day the nicest group I've met out there.
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If it's not Red,it's not right!
There were several people ahead of me who saw this couple and passed them up without a thought.I stopped and quickly found out why they had been there so long.They were both deaf and could not speak.Therefore not able to yell at people who drove right by.
After a few scribbles in the sand I explained that I would go back to camp and drop my bike off and return to pick them up.I took them back to their camp and unloaded their 3 wheeler.To my surprise,the whole camp was deaf too,about 25 or 30 of them.We shared a beverage or two with them and shortly returned to our own camp.
To this day the nicest group I've met out there.
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If it's not Red,it's not right!
wow thats kinda sad but it becomes good. i feel kinda bad for them though because if it wasnt on the sand highway but in the dunes they could have been in there all night and maybe longer
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I eat goats...
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I eat goats...
Just have to say that was really cool of you! Wish more people were that way, like the ones who passed them up. Who knows how long they would of sat there if you didn't help.
Hey fellow duner's I'm still abit new at this but here goes. I've been to the dune's off and on for several years now and the only money I carry when I'm dunnin is TP. That seem's to be worth it's weight in gold when your out there and all of a sudden you gotta go bad. I was brought up on the same principals as all of you, if you help someone or someone helps you you do it just because it's the right thing to do. Well I'm droaning on too much, my point is this if I'm ever helped by someone who expects money for their effort I think i'll just hand them all the dunin money i have left in my pocket or maybe tell them where they can find all the used dunin money.
Do you now how many people I have pulled out with my K-5? Last time at Gordon's I pulled out 5 trucks and 3 motorhomes. I am NOT gonna ask for or accept money.
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