It's that time again for any San Diego residents that own property and are concerned for your rights to park your RV's, trailers, boats, etc. on or near your property to attended this meeting. Even if you currently have off street parking, it would alarm you just how many individuals do not have legal parking for your RV's trailers and boats. If this ordinance gets passed as a couple of the city counsel members want, then it is only the first step of eliminating parking even on private property. Very few homeowners know all of the rules and regulations that are currently on the books that can force you to remove RV's, trailers and boats from your own property. As it stands now, if these municipal codes are enforced, owners typically mover their equipment to the street. Once the law is passed to further restrict on street parking, then don't be surprised to see the same group of people go after your parking on private property. Even if you're parked off street, don't assume that you are legally parked. I would suggest that anyone with such equipment get involved with this proposed parking ordinance.
Hello Everybody,
The Proposed Draft Oversized, Non-Motorized and Recreational Vehicle Ordinance is scheduled to be heard at the April 20 Parking Advisory Board meeting. Please see meeting details below. A meeting agenda will follow.
Date: Thursday, April 20, 2006
Time: 3 PM
Location: City Administration Building, 12th floor, 202 'C' Street, San Diego
If you have any questions, please contact me.
Thank You
Husam Hasenin
Associate Engineer - Traffic
Transportation Engineering Division
(619) 533-3198
(619) 533-3651 Fax
Full Version: New San Diego Ordinance
Here is a possible solution-
RV/Boat Storage Condos breaking ground late summer of 2006.
Giant individual storage garages measuring 13' wide, 14' high roll up door,
50' deep. Units up to 33' wide will be available with a few pull throughs
of 100' deep. You actually own these units. No rent to pay ever.
Located in Beaumont, near the 10 and 60 fwys.
RV/Boat Storage Condos breaking ground late summer of 2006.
Giant individual storage garages measuring 13' wide, 14' high roll up door,
50' deep. Units up to 33' wide will be available with a few pull throughs
of 100' deep. You actually own these units. No rent to pay ever.
Located in Beaumont, near the 10 and 60 fwys.
QUOTE(Mike330R @ Apr 16 2005, 07:52 AM) [snapback]948840[/snapback]
Although I see tons of trailers on the street in Santee What gives?
it is your nieghbors!!!!!!!!!!!! they r calling on your trailer!
Just passed this law in Lakewood. More people without than with. Effing politicians.
QUOTE(blackdmax @ Dec 7 2006, 09:50 PM) [snapback]2013065[/snapback]
Just passed this law in Lakewood. More people without than with. Effing politicians.
I live in lakewood, now instead of my trailer on the street and the ford excursion in the driveway, I gotta push the trailer in the driveway and the excursion has to go in the street
Mean People Suck they should mind their own bussiness.
I wish I new who voted yes, I'd go take a dump on their lawn
On a side note, can't this be somewhat unconstitutional?
I wonder if we can get a pettition to have this removed? I could just get signatures from everyone in lakewood with a rv?
Well after being quiet for the past year, San Diego City Counsel is once again slipping this ordnance in for discussion and ultimate approval. Last time they tried there was so much opposition made that it was tabled for months, allowing those interested or concerned to forget about it. Well folks it is time once again and w/o public input or opposition will pass.
Anyone who has ever experienced a citation from SD Neighborhood Compliance department will know exactly what I am talking about when I say this ordinance if passed will eliminate on street parking and will shift the focus to off street parking. I can assure you that many that "think" they have legal off street parking do not under San Diego Municipal or zoning codes. If you are an off roader, boated, RV owner, that lives in the districts this this applies to, you may want to contact your city councilman/women or show up at the meeting and voice a opinion or concern.
Below is an email update I just received from the city.
Good Morning,
I am writing today to inform you that discussion regarding the proposed Oversized Vehicle Pilot Program has been placed on the Council docket for Tuesday, January 29, 2008.
Because this item has not been worked on by City staff, there are several elements that need to be clarified. Therefore, Tuesday’s item will not result in the final implementation of the program. It is a chance for the City Council to discuss what is being proposed, and to request that the Mayor provide the City Council with a report on the potential fiscal impact of such oversized vehicle regulations. It also asks the Mayor to provide the City Attorney with any information needed to complete the task of writing ordinances and resolutions necessary for the implementation of oversized vehicle regulations, such as information pertaining to the costs of enforcement, signage and permitting.
For further information, please click here: http://docs.sandiego.gov/councildockets/dk...dkt20080129.pdf, and scroll to item #332.
Again, this item will not result in final implementation of the pilot program. However, part of the action being requested may include that the Mayor provide the information to Council within 60 days. As always, we encourage your attendance and comments at the City Council meeting.
Sincerely,
Pari Sanati
Council Representative
Councilmember Donna Frye
202 C Street, MS 10A
San Diego, CA 92101
Phone (619) 236-6616
Fax (619) 236-7329
Anyone who has ever experienced a citation from SD Neighborhood Compliance department will know exactly what I am talking about when I say this ordinance if passed will eliminate on street parking and will shift the focus to off street parking. I can assure you that many that "think" they have legal off street parking do not under San Diego Municipal or zoning codes. If you are an off roader, boated, RV owner, that lives in the districts this this applies to, you may want to contact your city councilman/women or show up at the meeting and voice a opinion or concern.
Below is an email update I just received from the city.
Good Morning,
I am writing today to inform you that discussion regarding the proposed Oversized Vehicle Pilot Program has been placed on the Council docket for Tuesday, January 29, 2008.
Because this item has not been worked on by City staff, there are several elements that need to be clarified. Therefore, Tuesday’s item will not result in the final implementation of the program. It is a chance for the City Council to discuss what is being proposed, and to request that the Mayor provide the City Council with a report on the potential fiscal impact of such oversized vehicle regulations. It also asks the Mayor to provide the City Attorney with any information needed to complete the task of writing ordinances and resolutions necessary for the implementation of oversized vehicle regulations, such as information pertaining to the costs of enforcement, signage and permitting.
For further information, please click here: http://docs.sandiego.gov/councildockets/dk...dkt20080129.pdf, and scroll to item #332.
Again, this item will not result in final implementation of the pilot program. However, part of the action being requested may include that the Mayor provide the information to Council within 60 days. As always, we encourage your attendance and comments at the City Council meeting.
Sincerely,
Pari Sanati
Council Representative
Councilmember Donna Frye
202 C Street, MS 10A
San Diego, CA 92101
Phone (619) 236-6616
Fax (619) 236-7329
bump
QUOTE(JOHNNYCASH @ Apr 15 2005, 10:50 PM) 
Eff that! They probably saw a guy loading his things with his family about to head to mother G and thought, "that effer is about to have a chit load of fun, we need to put a stop to it"
I wouldn't doubt this for a second....
Here is the latest update
Good Afternoon,
This email is in response to a previous email you have sent, or a request for updates regarding the Oversized Vehicle Ordinance.
Before I provide an update on the most recent actions taken at Council this past Tuesday, allow me to provide a brief history of the issue. As you may or may not know, this issue was first discussed in December of 2004, after then Councilmembers for Districts 1 and 2 requested that staff draft an ordinance similar to what had recently been passed in Del Mar, for discussion at the City’s Land Use & Housing (LU&H) Committee. This request resulted in subsequent action from the Land Use & Housing Committee members to create a working group made up of traffic engineering and parking enforcement staff, residents, businesses, RV organizations and other interested parties, in an effort to draft a new ordinance that better balanced the needs of San Diego. Other elements of the LU&H action included, but were not limited to: the addition of parking enforcement officers to help enforce the current parking codes; red curbing near driveways, alleys and intersections to improve visibility and address (perhaps one of the biggest concerns) associated with oversized vehicles, which was diminished visibility.
After creating a new draft ordinance, the working group presented their proposal to the City’s Parking Advisory Board (PAB), a group made up of two residents from each Council District, plus one representative from each recognized Parking District in the City. The PAB accepted the draft ordinance and requested that a pilot program be put in place to test the new regulations. All interested Councilmembers were asked to submit their concerns. At the time, only Council Districts 1, 2 and 6 expressed interest. The updated draft ordinance was then to be discussed at LU&H again. However, by late 2006, the issue had yet to be placed on the agenda.
Due to the lack of action, the Councilmembers that had expressed interested decided to work together in bringing a proposal forward to test the ordinance created by the working group. Because the issue was not a priority for the Mayor’s office however, these Councilmembers found that obtaining technical information, such as associated costs and staffing levels, was not made available by City staff, and Councilmember were unable to direct staff to do so under the guidelines of the Strong Mayor form of government. Therefore, pilot boundaries were chosen in an effort to implement the program in the most efficient, financial and legally sound manner. Although not all the communities of these interested Councilmembers were included, the areas that were chosen provided several benefits that, again, without staff’s technical expertise, Councilmembers felt would help move this issue along. Those benefits included: natural boundaries to reduce signage requirements and funding needs, as well as address noticing concerns that were legally challenged in other cities; lessening the burden on parking enforcement staff and possibly creating the opportunity for dedicated pilot area parking enforcement officers due to the small size of the area; and implementing new proposed regulations in an area that was a good sample of places where the concerns are the most prevalent (beach, industrial, residential).
The main elements of the draft ordinance prohibits parking of oversized, non-motorized or recreational vehicles on public streets between the hours of 10:00 pm to 6:00 am; and no parking of oversized, non-motorized or recreational vehicles within 50 feet of any intersection of public streets, a public street and park road, a public street and alley or a park road and alley.
The item brought before the Council this past Tuesday was simply to discuss the proposed ordinance and request the Mayor’s office to provide the technical information that the proposal lacked. Since the majority of the Councilmembers requested that their districts be included in the pilot, the motion was expanded to include information for both the pilot area and citywide. Specifically, the motion was:
1) Request that the Mayor or his designee provide a written report to the City Council and the City Attorney within 60 days to present a fiscal analysis of the draft Oversized Vehicle Ordinance, including but not limited to the cost of signage, enforcement, administration, permit fees, potential funding sources, and any of the mayor’s preferred alternatives to the draft ordinance;
2) Request that the City Attorney or his designee prepare the appropriate ordinances and resolutions within 30 days after receipt of the report from the Mayor, so that the City Council, can consider whether to implement the oversized vehicle regulations;
3) And further, to request that the Mayor present to the Council the options of both a pilot and citywide ordinance.
Prior to the hearing, Councilmember Frye had also requested information from the Real Estate Assets Department identifying public land that may be available for overnight parking of these vehicles, to address several concerns brought up by the public. Also throughout the discussions, the ease in obtaining a permit has always been in the forefront, and we agree with the importance of making the permit process as easy as possible, by hopefully offering them through community service centers, by fax, by phone or by internet, all of which we hope to see in the analysis provided by the Mayor’s staff. Other concerns that were expressed at the Council hearing were in regards to those with disabilities (which are largely exempt due to protections in state law), and concerns with those who sleep in their vehicles overnight (keep in mind that this is already against existing City codes).
Although it is difficult to please all interested parties, we hope that our efforts show a good faith effort in addressing an issue that is quickly becoming what some have expressed a quality of life concern, and of course more importantly, a safety hazard. It is clear that further discussion is necessary in order to find the best balance for the public. As always, we appreciate your constructive comments during this process. If you were able to attend the meeting on Tuesday, we certainly appreciate you taking the time to come down as well. Please feel free to reply to this email if I have not answered specific questions that you may have. I hope you have found this information helpful.
Sincerely,
Pari Sanati
Council Representative
Councilmember Donna Frye
202 C Street, MS 10A
San Diego, CA 92101
Phone (619) 236-6616
Fax (619) 236-7329
Disclosure: Correspondents should assume that all communication to or from this address is recorded and may be reviewed by third parties.
Good Afternoon,
This email is in response to a previous email you have sent, or a request for updates regarding the Oversized Vehicle Ordinance.
Before I provide an update on the most recent actions taken at Council this past Tuesday, allow me to provide a brief history of the issue. As you may or may not know, this issue was first discussed in December of 2004, after then Councilmembers for Districts 1 and 2 requested that staff draft an ordinance similar to what had recently been passed in Del Mar, for discussion at the City’s Land Use & Housing (LU&H) Committee. This request resulted in subsequent action from the Land Use & Housing Committee members to create a working group made up of traffic engineering and parking enforcement staff, residents, businesses, RV organizations and other interested parties, in an effort to draft a new ordinance that better balanced the needs of San Diego. Other elements of the LU&H action included, but were not limited to: the addition of parking enforcement officers to help enforce the current parking codes; red curbing near driveways, alleys and intersections to improve visibility and address (perhaps one of the biggest concerns) associated with oversized vehicles, which was diminished visibility.
After creating a new draft ordinance, the working group presented their proposal to the City’s Parking Advisory Board (PAB), a group made up of two residents from each Council District, plus one representative from each recognized Parking District in the City. The PAB accepted the draft ordinance and requested that a pilot program be put in place to test the new regulations. All interested Councilmembers were asked to submit their concerns. At the time, only Council Districts 1, 2 and 6 expressed interest. The updated draft ordinance was then to be discussed at LU&H again. However, by late 2006, the issue had yet to be placed on the agenda.
Due to the lack of action, the Councilmembers that had expressed interested decided to work together in bringing a proposal forward to test the ordinance created by the working group. Because the issue was not a priority for the Mayor’s office however, these Councilmembers found that obtaining technical information, such as associated costs and staffing levels, was not made available by City staff, and Councilmember were unable to direct staff to do so under the guidelines of the Strong Mayor form of government. Therefore, pilot boundaries were chosen in an effort to implement the program in the most efficient, financial and legally sound manner. Although not all the communities of these interested Councilmembers were included, the areas that were chosen provided several benefits that, again, without staff’s technical expertise, Councilmembers felt would help move this issue along. Those benefits included: natural boundaries to reduce signage requirements and funding needs, as well as address noticing concerns that were legally challenged in other cities; lessening the burden on parking enforcement staff and possibly creating the opportunity for dedicated pilot area parking enforcement officers due to the small size of the area; and implementing new proposed regulations in an area that was a good sample of places where the concerns are the most prevalent (beach, industrial, residential).
The main elements of the draft ordinance prohibits parking of oversized, non-motorized or recreational vehicles on public streets between the hours of 10:00 pm to 6:00 am; and no parking of oversized, non-motorized or recreational vehicles within 50 feet of any intersection of public streets, a public street and park road, a public street and alley or a park road and alley.
The item brought before the Council this past Tuesday was simply to discuss the proposed ordinance and request the Mayor’s office to provide the technical information that the proposal lacked. Since the majority of the Councilmembers requested that their districts be included in the pilot, the motion was expanded to include information for both the pilot area and citywide. Specifically, the motion was:
1) Request that the Mayor or his designee provide a written report to the City Council and the City Attorney within 60 days to present a fiscal analysis of the draft Oversized Vehicle Ordinance, including but not limited to the cost of signage, enforcement, administration, permit fees, potential funding sources, and any of the mayor’s preferred alternatives to the draft ordinance;
2) Request that the City Attorney or his designee prepare the appropriate ordinances and resolutions within 30 days after receipt of the report from the Mayor, so that the City Council, can consider whether to implement the oversized vehicle regulations;
3) And further, to request that the Mayor present to the Council the options of both a pilot and citywide ordinance.
Prior to the hearing, Councilmember Frye had also requested information from the Real Estate Assets Department identifying public land that may be available for overnight parking of these vehicles, to address several concerns brought up by the public. Also throughout the discussions, the ease in obtaining a permit has always been in the forefront, and we agree with the importance of making the permit process as easy as possible, by hopefully offering them through community service centers, by fax, by phone or by internet, all of which we hope to see in the analysis provided by the Mayor’s staff. Other concerns that were expressed at the Council hearing were in regards to those with disabilities (which are largely exempt due to protections in state law), and concerns with those who sleep in their vehicles overnight (keep in mind that this is already against existing City codes).
Although it is difficult to please all interested parties, we hope that our efforts show a good faith effort in addressing an issue that is quickly becoming what some have expressed a quality of life concern, and of course more importantly, a safety hazard. It is clear that further discussion is necessary in order to find the best balance for the public. As always, we appreciate your constructive comments during this process. If you were able to attend the meeting on Tuesday, we certainly appreciate you taking the time to come down as well. Please feel free to reply to this email if I have not answered specific questions that you may have. I hope you have found this information helpful.
Sincerely,
Pari Sanati
Council Representative
Councilmember Donna Frye
202 C Street, MS 10A
San Diego, CA 92101
Phone (619) 236-6616
Fax (619) 236-7329
Disclosure: Correspondents should assume that all communication to or from this address is recorded and may be reviewed by third parties.
Attention any/all RV owners who live in San Diego city limits.
This parking ordinance is back on the San Diego City Counsel calendar for vote on October 28, 2008. If passed, you will be required to pay the city for a parking permit to park overnight in front of your own house. Limited to no more than 3 days. So even if you don't own an RV, if you have freinds or family that visit in an RV than you may want to get involved.
If you live in San Diego city limits and own an RV or trailer you might want to attend this meeting.
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