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Cant find it. Where do I check it out.
Joe Fab has a bitchin mullet. 
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Joe Fab has a bitchin mullet.
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Business in front, party in the back!
The time lapse gave me a headache 
Didn’t that Hunter dude post on here before? Haven’t seen him in awhile.
When did rick flair start building buggies ??
QUOTE(speedtrap @ Jun 7 2005, 09:40 AM)
We are in the process of tracking down the person that posted this video. We have just in the last 5 days gotten this video back from copyright and we were only using it for PR to our main Sponsors. But now that its out in the open please let us know what you think.
Thanks,
Hunter/Speedtrap TV
Jaguar Media Group IBC.
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Ever heard of Paris Hilton?
More people watched her "leaked" homemade video than watched her on that stoopid TV show.
Same deal with your video. More people are gonna see it on the web than watch the show on TV.
That's the reality of it all...
I think you're on to something Socal..........
That's probably why "He" leaked it himself under a new screen name.
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socaldmax Posted Today, 10:23 AM
Ever heard of Paris Hilton?
More people watched her "leaked" homemade video than watched her on that stoopid TV show.
Same deal with your video. More people are gonna see it on the web than watch the show on TV.
That's the reality of it all...
Ever heard of Paris Hilton?
More people watched her "leaked" homemade video than watched her on that stoopid TV show.
Same deal with your video. More people are gonna see it on the web than watch the show on TV.
That's the reality of it all...
Oops, did I hit the "add reply" button?? 
QUOTE(Middy @ Jun 7 2005, 10:46 AM)
That's probably why "He" leaked it himself under a new screen name.
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socaldmax Posted Today, 10:23 AM
Ever heard of Paris Hilton?
More people watched her "leaked" homemade video than watched her on that stoopid TV show.
Same deal with your video. More people are gonna see it on the web than watch the show on TV.
That's the reality of it all...
Ever heard of Paris Hilton?
More people watched her "leaked" homemade video than watched her on that stoopid TV show.
Same deal with your video. More people are gonna see it on the web than watch the show on TV.
That's the reality of it all...
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It's pretty good for a teaser.
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Oops, did I hit the "add reply" button??
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Why yes, I believe you did.
I ain't saying a damn thing. I think Steve took care of that.
Posted by Hunter on another board...
Hunter,
Just curious why you would post a pirated video link? And you are trying to track down the IP address?
A whois search says it's on a French web site with private owners. When you file the suit or press charges against that French site let us know how the case goes. 
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Well for everyones enjoyment here is the promo video that was pirated from us in the last week or so. We are not quite sure how it happend but we are in the process of tracking down the IP Address of where it came from. Just let us know what you think.
Thanks ,
Hunter/Speedtrap TV
Jaguar Media Group
http://www.videogourmet.com/SpeedTrapTV/index.php
Thanks ,
Hunter/Speedtrap TV
Jaguar Media Group
http://www.videogourmet.com/SpeedTrapTV/index.php
Hunter,
Just curious why you would post a pirated video link? And you are trying to track down the IP address?
A whois search says it's on a French web site with private owners. When you file the suit or press charges against that French site let us know how the case goes.
I think its spam and your behind it pure and simple,instead of a Im giving you and your "pirated" video a 
Im giving you and your "pirated" video a
QUOTE(speedtrap @ Jun 7 2005, 07:53 PM)
QUOTE(KingGlamis @ Jun 7 2005, 06:08 PM)
Posted by Hunter on another board...
Hunter,
Just curious why you would post a pirated video link? And you are trying to track down the IP address? A whois search says it's on a French web site with private owners. When you file the suit or press charges against that French site let us know how the case goes.
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Well for everyones enjoyment here is the promo video that was pirated from us in the last week or so. We are not quite sure how it happend but we are in the process of tracking down the IP Address of where it came from. Just let us know what you think.
Thanks ,
Hunter/Speedtrap TV
Jaguar Media Group
http://www.videogourmet.com/SpeedTrapTV/index.php
Thanks ,
Hunter/Speedtrap TV
Jaguar Media Group
http://www.videogourmet.com/SpeedTrapTV/index.php
Hunter,
Just curious why you would post a pirated video link? And you are trying to track down the IP address?
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Well KG thats a valid point.
I just figured that if its out there already it may as well be public knowledge. Its copyrighted so we do have a case against the site IF it wasnt a matter of International Amnesty but the IP address of the person that posted is actually from Michigan and lives somewhere in Lansing. Somewhere in the transfer of final version to the dubing company to the legal department to the copyright offices it was snagged. How we dont know but hopefully soon we will find out.
Now that it is out in the public eye we are curious what everyone thinks.
Thanks,
Hunter
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Are you talking about the IP address of the person who started this thread? If so, how did you find that out? Perhaps it is one of your friends. Isn't one of your offices in Michigan too? Like around the Grand Blanc area?
It will all come out in the wash
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I think its spam and your behind it pure and simple,instead of a Im giving you and your "pirated" video a
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QUOTE(Permagrin @ Jun 7 2005, 07:13 PM)
QUOTE(MichaelAZ @ Jun 7 2005, 06:57 PM)
I think its spam and your behind it pure and simple,instead of a Im giving you and your "pirated" video a
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Tell us how you really feel!
Hmmm. Jaguar Media Group is based in Quebec and operates several French-language web sites. Hmmm......
OK Hunter, all kidding aside, you asked for opinions on this video, I'll share my two cents. And FYI, I think Joe is a great guy and builds great buggies. This is about the video clip, not Joe or Sand Limo (I own a Sand Limo).
Overall it's pretty good. Certainly better than I could do.
Things I would improve or change before going to TV with it.
1) Some of the editing. For example it says that Joe is a perfectionist and does all the final welding himself. Right as it says that the video shows what appears to be Joe grinding a weld down with a grinder. Not good editing. Makes Joe look like a rookie that had to grind down a bad weld.
2) The announcer guy is boring. I showed this video to 5 other people. All agreed.
3) Subtitles??? They're not speaking French. No need for subtitles if you had the audio loud enough to actually hear the talking. I've never seen subtitles on American Chopper.
4) Why isn't the actual build car shown in the dunes? The car Joe is driving isn't even the same color as the one in the build.
Good effort. Needs work.
And no, you can't afford my consulting fees.
Overall it's pretty good. Certainly better than I could do.
Things I would improve or change before going to TV with it.
1) Some of the editing. For example it says that Joe is a perfectionist and does all the final welding himself. Right as it says that the video shows what appears to be Joe grinding a weld down with a grinder. Not good editing. Makes Joe look like a rookie that had to grind down a bad weld.
2) The announcer guy is boring. I showed this video to 5 other people. All agreed.
3) Subtitles??? They're not speaking French. No need for subtitles if you had the audio loud enough to actually hear the talking. I've never seen subtitles on American Chopper.
4) Why isn't the actual build car shown in the dunes? The car Joe is driving isn't even the same color as the one in the build.
Good effort. Needs work.
And no, you can't afford my consulting fees.
QUOTE(speedtrap @ Jun 7 2005, 09:20 PM)
QUOTE(KingGlamis @ Jun 7 2005, 07:48 PM)
OK Hunter, all kidding aside, you asked for opinions on this video, I'll share my two cents. And FYI, I think Joe is a great guy and builds great buggies. This is about the video clip, not Joe or Sand Limo (I own a Sand Limo).
Overall it's pretty good. Certainly better than I could do.
Things I would improve or change before going to TV with it.
1) Some of the editing. For example it says that Joe is a perfectionist and does all the final welding himself. Right as it says that the video shows what appears to be Joe grinding a weld down with a grinder. Not good editing. Makes Joe look like a rookie that had to grind down a bad weld.
2) The announcer guy is boring. I showed this video to 5 other people. All agreed.
3) Subtitles??? They're not speaking French. No need for subtitles if you had the audio loud enough to actually hear the talking. I've never seen subtitles on American Chopper.
4) Why isn't the actual build car shown in the dunes? The car Joe is driving isn't even the same color as the one in the build.
Good effort. Needs work.
And no, you can't afford my consulting fees.
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Overall it's pretty good. Certainly better than I could do.
Things I would improve or change before going to TV with it.
1) Some of the editing. For example it says that Joe is a perfectionist and does all the final welding himself. Right as it says that the video shows what appears to be Joe grinding a weld down with a grinder. Not good editing. Makes Joe look like a rookie that had to grind down a bad weld.
2) The announcer guy is boring. I showed this video to 5 other people. All agreed.
3) Subtitles??? They're not speaking French. No need for subtitles if you had the audio loud enough to actually hear the talking. I've never seen subtitles on American Chopper.
4) Why isn't the actual build car shown in the dunes? The car Joe is driving isn't even the same color as the one in the build.
Good effort. Needs work.
And no, you can't afford my consulting fees.
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Thanks for the input! honestly we really appreciate it and this post isn't to make excuses, it's just to show you we've already thought of everything you pointed out - we honestly do know what we're doing.
remember a few things here...
First of all this PROMO copy was never, EVER meant to be seen by the general public - remember that - this piece was only shown as a promo piece to some of our main sponsors so they could get a feel for our editing style - we wanted them to be able to have the freedom to give constructive criticism before we invested large amounts of time in the final product.
Now for the voice over guy - yes, we agree with your statement. He was not a professional, he was actually a member of our crew who never did voice over before - we needed something quick, and you heard what we got. We have auditioned 60 announcers for this particular role and have narrowed it down to ten.
Furthermore, as for the subtitles - like I stated earlier, we have HOURS AND HOURS of good audio to use, but we didn't see it necessary to spend the time to synch up the good audio with the video for a PROMO reel that noone in the general public was ever supposed to see. Subtitles are there so our sponsors could understand what was being said - without a doubt.
As for your valid statement about the welding and Joe - this weld was placed for a wink mirror bracket by one of his employees. While myself and Joe were out of the shop on another shoot with a sponsor, the employee placed the brackets, ignorant of the fact that the wink mirror was actually being supplied by gear one with billet mounting brackets. This all would've been explained in a complete episode - however, if you listen to the voice over in the piece you saw, it says Joe is a perfectionist and must "oversee" all final welds - obviously this weld was a mistake that he caught, and Joe fixed it himself (not to dog the guy that made the initial weld - I'm sure everyone in this industry has made at least one mistake in their career)
Finally, as for the actual build car not being used in the action footage - we've shot the build car numerous times since its original outing in the dunes - we didn't want to show all our cards just yet - we told our sponsors that they would not be seeing the build car for the action footage until the actual show's air date - speaking of which....
1. the show is fantastic - watch it for yourself when it airs (we'll still welcome feedback)
2. we're professionals here doing a show about an amazing lifestyle - we respect it and understand that the duning lifestyle needs to be represented properly, positively, and for how bitchin' it really is. And this show will do all that........and more.
Sincerely,
Hunter
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If it was never, EVER meant to be seen by the general public, then why did YOU post it on the Race-Dezert.com board? I guess your excuse will be that it was posted here first? I highly doubt that.
I love the fact that you pointed out that "we honestly do know what we are doing." If that is the case then why would you show such a "rough" video to your "main sponsors?" You've had months upon months to edit this thing. I don't buy it.
And finally... I will watch it for sure WHEN it airs. What is the date again? I couldn't find it on your web site.
Hunter, take most commits about the show with a grain of salt. None of us have seen the show, so hating it or liking it prematurely probably shows some kind of bias one way or the other. Get the thing wrapped up and put it on the air. It will sink or swim on its own merit... That's all you can expect.
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Well KG thats a valid point.
I just figured that if its out there already it may as well be public knowledge. Its copyrighted so we do have a case against the site IF it wasnt a matter of International Amnesty but the IP address of the person that posted is actually from Michigan and lives somewhere in Lansing. Somewhere in the transfer of final version to the dubing company to the legal department to the copyright offices it was snagged. How we dont know but hopefully soon we will find out.
Now that it is out in the public eye we are curious what everyone thinks.
Thanks,
Hunter
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Well KG thats a valid point.
I just figured that if its out there already it may as well be public knowledge. Its copyrighted so we do have a case against the site IF it wasnt a matter of International Amnesty but the IP address of the person that posted is actually from Michigan and lives somewhere in Lansing. Somewhere in the transfer of final version to the dubing company to the legal department to the copyright offices it was snagged. How we dont know but hopefully soon we will find out.
Now that it is out in the public eye we are curious what everyone thinks.
Thanks,
Hunter
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things happen from time to time
Hunter, do you really think that we are all bunch effin idiots?
Your out there spamming every message board that has anything remotely to do with off-road with your taping that hasn't even been given a airing date. Yet you continuosly tell everyone to look out for it when it airs.
The fact remains we are all junkies when it comes to this sport, if and when its on TV we will all watch it or TIVO it because we want to. So stop spamming these sites with your BS excuses and teasers. At this point I can't see a 2nd rate cable channel picking up this piece until you edit as well as YOU say you can.
Wish you lots of luck, just keep your spam out of here until you actually have a TV airing date, time and channel.
JOKE..
I would like to wipe my ass with the box cover..
Sorry - but Hunter - go find some rich guy thing to do, besides eff with us..
I would like to wipe my ass with the box cover..
Sorry - but Hunter - go find some rich guy thing to do, besides eff with us..
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JOKE..
I would like to wipe my ass with the box cover..
Sorry - but Hunter - go find some rich guy thing to do, besides eff with us..
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I would like to wipe my ass with the box cover..
Sorry - but Hunter - go find some rich guy thing to do, besides eff with us..
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Post of the summer!
Damn Chum, might have to bring a guy a SIX PACK (ONLY) of Bass Ale for that!
Damn this better than the single shear thread or the mild steel VS. Chrome moly I started, foolish me.
Posted by Speedtrap on Jan 3, 2005
I think the show is a little off schedule. Just a guess though.
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The show is going to air within the next 60 days!!!! The list of product sponsors is huge and we walked away with 130 hours of footage so its going to be a kick ass DVD set....... speedtraptv.com for more info on where to get dvd's
I think the show is a little off schedule. Just a guess though.
You just don't get it Hunter. Let me say it in plain English. 99% of your posts are SPAM for your TV show. You have made no effort to become a part of this web site or the duning community. And the people here are not stupid. They see through your BS. Does that make sense? Do you get it YET?
SpeedRAP -
Dont get me wrong.. I love videos. I cant stand spammers. You've added nothing to help the dunes stay open. You've used this forum and others to promote your show - nothing more or nothing lesss. You riding the backs of hard working folk and expect them to stand up and pat you on the back..
Poney up DUDE if your so great and so big.. If you want to advertise - suck up like the rest of the companys who see the benefits of doing so on this site..
Your a parasite on sites like this and you could give a crap about our only toy box as long as it gives you ratings and makes your money folk smile and write the checks..
Until Slappy tells me your on the fast track to actually helping us keep the dunes open - your just another spammer..
Dont just talk it around here. People here are far smarter then you give credit. Put out or get out.. simple.
Dont get me wrong.. I love videos. I cant stand spammers. You've added nothing to help the dunes stay open. You've used this forum and others to promote your show - nothing more or nothing lesss. You riding the backs of hard working folk and expect them to stand up and pat you on the back..
Poney up DUDE if your so great and so big.. If you want to advertise - suck up like the rest of the companys who see the benefits of doing so on this site..
Your a parasite on sites like this and you could give a crap about our only toy box as long as it gives you ratings and makes your money folk smile and write the checks..
Until Slappy tells me your on the fast track to actually helping us keep the dunes open - your just another spammer..
Dont just talk it around here. People here are far smarter then you give credit. Put out or get out.. simple.
QUOTE(KingGlamis @ Jun 7 2005, 09:55 PM)
You just don't get it Hunter. Let me say it in plain English. 99% of your posts are SPAM for your TV show. You have made no effort to become a part of this web site or the duning community. And the people here are not stupid. They see through your BS. Does that make sense? Do you get it YET?
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WHOA - KG.. GET OUT OF MY HEAD MAN!!!
Hunter,
If two of us at 11 at night think this - you think oh say about 80% of the thousands of registered users think it also? And how about those THOUSANDS beyond that who dont register.. Oh, I know.. whats a small website gonna do to a great movie about the sand dunes..
I hear Walmart is hiring greeters in your area..
Hunter,
If two of us at 11 at night think this - you think oh say about 80% of the thousands of registered users think it also? And how about those THOUSANDS beyond that who dont register.. Oh, I know.. whats a small website gonna do to a great movie about the sand dunes..
I hear Walmart is hiring greeters in your area..
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WHOA - KG.. GET OUT OF MY HEAD MAN!!!
Hunter,
If two of us at 11 at night think this....
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Hunter,
If two of us at 11 at night think this....
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3 of us
btw Hunter 
what happened to the bad ass Powerhouse truck conversion
last time i checked the PH website a other TV company was listed doing a show on them
what happened to the bad ass Powerhouse truck conversion
last time i checked the PH website a other TV company was listed doing a show on them
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WHOA - KG.. GET OUT OF MY HEAD MAN!!!
Hunter,
If two of us at 11 at night think this....
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Hunter,
If two of us at 11 at night think this....
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3 of us
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Don't forget about me!
That makes 4 big shooter!
Hey Spooner, are YOU copying Joe Fab? He says you are!! Last I checked, he still put his motor in the back. I dont want to start "WHININ" about it, but Joe Fab's lost some of his luster lately.
QUOTE(speedtrap @ Jun 7 2005, 10:13 PM)
First of all I know you aren't morons - I never tried to say you were.
second of all - please remember what a big influence public opinion has on legislature in this country. Why do you think there are lobbyists in Washington whose only job is to go around to Senators and sway their opinion toward a vote? Why do you think those same lobbyists produce ad campaigns for different proposals that are up for vote in congress? Because the public opinion on a topic influences the people who vote on laws - it's a popularity contest.
NOW - if producing a show that will promote duning and gain public support for the sport isn't doing something that will help keep duning alive, I guess all the lobbyists in Washington are just wasting their time - the better this show does, and the more popular duning becomes, the less likely it will be for our lawmakers to limit when and where we can ride. So yes, I am doing something for the sport. And yes, I"ve put ALOT of time, effort, and hard work into this project - so it'll be nice to make some money from the show. That's what happens when people produce video projects. But if you honestly believe I'm just a money grubbing cash whore, then we really need to sit down and have a beer sometime so you can get to know me and what I'm about.
And I'm not trying to spam, but if you dont want to read my posts, then dont look at them.
And the last post where I said this is a sport you all "claim" to love - sorry about how that came acrossed - I know you all love this sport, otherwise you wouldn't be on this site giving me so much s***
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second of all - please remember what a big influence public opinion has on legislature in this country. Why do you think there are lobbyists in Washington whose only job is to go around to Senators and sway their opinion toward a vote? Why do you think those same lobbyists produce ad campaigns for different proposals that are up for vote in congress? Because the public opinion on a topic influences the people who vote on laws - it's a popularity contest.
NOW - if producing a show that will promote duning and gain public support for the sport isn't doing something that will help keep duning alive, I guess all the lobbyists in Washington are just wasting their time - the better this show does, and the more popular duning becomes, the less likely it will be for our lawmakers to limit when and where we can ride. So yes, I am doing something for the sport. And yes, I"ve put ALOT of time, effort, and hard work into this project - so it'll be nice to make some money from the show. That's what happens when people produce video projects. But if you honestly believe I'm just a money grubbing cash whore, then we really need to sit down and have a beer sometime so you can get to know me and what I'm about.
And I'm not trying to spam, but if you dont want to read my posts, then dont look at them.
And the last post where I said this is a sport you all "claim" to love - sorry about how that came acrossed - I know you all love this sport, otherwise you wouldn't be on this site giving me so much s***
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You ARE kidding right?
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btw Hunter
what happened to the bad ass Powerhouse truck conversion
last time i checked the PH website a other TV company was listed doing a show on them
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what happened to the bad ass Powerhouse truck conversion
last time i checked the PH website a other TV company was listed doing a show on them
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here is the name of the producer:
...ROB ENGMAN, RVTV HOST AND EXECUTIVE PRODUCER...
Hang on, Im going to get a beer!
The things that happen while BeachHead is asleep!
Tom, fill up my wine glass while you are at it. Biatch!
Tom, fill up my wine glass while you are at it. Biatch!
QUOTE(speedtrap @ Jun 7 2005, 11:13 PM)
First of all I know you aren't morons - I never tried to say you were.
second of all - please remember what a big influence public opinion has on legislature in this country. Why do you think there are lobbyists in Washington whose only job is to go around to Senators and sway their opinion toward a vote? Why do you think those same lobbyists produce ad campaigns for different proposals that are up for vote in congress? Because the public opinion on a topic influences the people who vote on laws - it's a popularity contest.
NOW - if producing a show that will promote duning and gain public support for the sport isn't doing something that will help keep duning alive, I guess all the lobbyists in Washington are just wasting their time - the better this show does, and the more popular duning becomes, the less likely it will be for our lawmakers to limit when and where we can ride. So yes, I am doing something for the sport. And yes, I"ve put ALOT of time, effort, and hard work into this project - so it'll be nice to make some money from the show. That's what happens when people produce video projects. But if you honestly believe I'm just a money grubbing cash whore, then we really need to sit down and have a beer sometime so you can get to know me and what I'm about.
And I'm not trying to spam, but if you dont want to read my posts, then dont look at them.
And the last post where I said this is a sport you all "claim" to love - sorry about how that came acrossed - I know you all love this sport, otherwise you wouldn't be on this site giving me so much s***
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second of all - please remember what a big influence public opinion has on legislature in this country. Why do you think there are lobbyists in Washington whose only job is to go around to Senators and sway their opinion toward a vote? Why do you think those same lobbyists produce ad campaigns for different proposals that are up for vote in congress? Because the public opinion on a topic influences the people who vote on laws - it's a popularity contest.
NOW - if producing a show that will promote duning and gain public support for the sport isn't doing something that will help keep duning alive, I guess all the lobbyists in Washington are just wasting their time - the better this show does, and the more popular duning becomes, the less likely it will be for our lawmakers to limit when and where we can ride. So yes, I am doing something for the sport. And yes, I"ve put ALOT of time, effort, and hard work into this project - so it'll be nice to make some money from the show. That's what happens when people produce video projects. But if you honestly believe I'm just a money grubbing cash whore, then we really need to sit down and have a beer sometime so you can get to know me and what I'm about.
And I'm not trying to spam, but if you dont want to read my posts, then dont look at them.
And the last post where I said this is a sport you all "claim" to love - sorry about how that came acrossed - I know you all love this sport, otherwise you wouldn't be on this site giving me so much s***
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NOW THIS IS WHAT I CALL LIP SERVICE..
Sorry guy, but your not filling my happy shoes at all. SPEEDTRAP has made a video.. so has Quicksand.. Im sure you've seen those.. Just what congress wants to see.. 
Its not a matter of seeing your posts or not. Its a matter of you using our forums for free advertising which is not playing along with all the other raindeer games.. If you need me to draw some pictures - I can and then have them faxed over. This site is popular and as stated so many times before - Other companys have seen the benefit of paying for advertising which is SAND cheap (less then dirt cheap). Imagine having your own forum where you can release this and that.. Having the banners advertising your up and coming show..
Toss Duners or the ASA some duckets to help them with Washington - not just hand them another video for 20 bucks..
I have to be honest. Im on the fence about callin the big guy and requesting to have your IP banned cause of your abuse. That is simple business terms I think even you can understand. Will he authorize it, I dont know - but like you said.. its a popularity gig and seems that many of the users here see through all the smoke and mirrors.
It was never about the video. It was always about your tactics..
I'll pour you a glass from the BOX!! 
oh, and a mans actions define his character.
To be fair....
Maybe Hunter IS actually adding here. Not by tech stuff to the board or even by PW'ing (uhhh, is that adding?), but are his videos or TV show adding or helping in any way to promote our sport or OUR dunes?
Not sure (never seen the show or read the promos) if it helps or even if it hurts, but it IS an effort. And it is a valid question.
Is his interest ONLY commercial and does he use the dunes/dune machines/duners ONLY for his own profit? That is a question only he can answer now, but with time it should be obvious to all.
Maybe Hunter IS actually adding here. Not by tech stuff to the board or even by PW'ing (uhhh, is that adding?), but are his videos or TV show adding or helping in any way to promote our sport or OUR dunes?
Not sure (never seen the show or read the promos) if it helps or even if it hurts, but it IS an effort. And it is a valid question.
Is his interest ONLY commercial and does he use the dunes/dune machines/duners ONLY for his own profit? That is a question only he can answer now, but with time it should be obvious to all.
QUOTE(FASTER DADDY @ Jun 7 2005, 10:16 PM)
Hey Spooner, are YOU copying Joe Fab? He says you are!! Last I checked, he still put his motor in the back. I dont want to start "WHININ" about it, but Joe Fab's lost some of his luster lately.
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copying Sand Limo
....hell no!....sorry , maybe this sounds a little arrogant (sp?...whatever) but i dont see anything i would even think of copying from a sand limo 
i deeply respect J F as a builder but i think we at V8Rail build very different cars for very different customers with a very different driving style
QUOTE(speedtrap @ Jun 7 2005, 11:13 PM)
First of all I know you aren't morons - I never tried to say you were.
second of all - please remember what a big influence public opinion has on legislature in this country. Why do you think there are lobbyists in Washington whose only job is to go around to Senators and sway their opinion toward a vote? Why do you think those same lobbyists produce ad campaigns for different proposals that are up for vote in congress? Because the public opinion on a topic influences the people who vote on laws - it's a popularity contest.
NOW - if producing a show that will promote duning and gain public support for the sport isn't doing something that will help keep duning alive, I guess all the lobbyists in Washington are just wasting their time - the better this show does, and the more popular duning becomes, the less likely it will be for our lawmakers to limit when and where we can ride. So yes, I am doing something for the sport. And yes, I"ve put ALOT of time, effort, and hard work into this project - so it'll be nice to make some money from the show. That's what happens when people produce video projects. But if you honestly believe I'm just a money grubbing cash whore, then we really need to sit down and have a beer sometime so you can get to know me and what I'm about.
And I'm not trying to spam, but if you dont want to read my posts, then dont look at them.
And the last post where I said this is a sport you all "claim" to love - sorry about how that came acrossed - I know you all love this sport, otherwise you wouldn't be on this site giving me so much s***
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second of all - please remember what a big influence public opinion has on legislature in this country. Why do you think there are lobbyists in Washington whose only job is to go around to Senators and sway their opinion toward a vote? Why do you think those same lobbyists produce ad campaigns for different proposals that are up for vote in congress? Because the public opinion on a topic influences the people who vote on laws - it's a popularity contest.
NOW - if producing a show that will promote duning and gain public support for the sport isn't doing something that will help keep duning alive, I guess all the lobbyists in Washington are just wasting their time - the better this show does, and the more popular duning becomes, the less likely it will be for our lawmakers to limit when and where we can ride. So yes, I am doing something for the sport. And yes, I"ve put ALOT of time, effort, and hard work into this project - so it'll be nice to make some money from the show. That's what happens when people produce video projects. But if you honestly believe I'm just a money grubbing cash whore, then we really need to sit down and have a beer sometime so you can get to know me and what I'm about.
And I'm not trying to spam, but if you dont want to read my posts, then dont look at them.
And the last post where I said this is a sport you all "claim" to love - sorry about how that came acrossed - I know you all love this sport, otherwise you wouldn't be on this site giving me so much s***
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Why do I get the feeling you voted for John Kerry? Maybe because we all know it was you or one of your friends that posted this thread? I notice the videogourmet.com site has a really nice Speedtrap TV logo and a black background, just like your site. Could it be that the same web site person created both sites?????????? Nah.... couldn't be........... no way Hunter would ever lie.................... no way................... not going to happen...................... Hunter has such a good rep as a solid member of this site............... and he would never lie................ never..................... never.................... never........................
Unless he thought the show was in danger of tanking big time and was making a last ditch attempt at promoting a show that should have aired months ago.
By the time this show airs, IF it ever does, Sand Limo will probably be making hover crafts. I'm guessing 2027. If that is the case the Speedtrap crew will have to shoot all the video of the hover crafts in 2027 and that show should see the public around 2050.
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