Okay, now that it's too hot for most prople to go to the dunes, who on this list from AZ goes to the Cinders in Flagstaff??? I was bored the other day, and was thinking it would be cool to go to the Cinders, and maybe watch some buggies go up $100 hill. But I don't know if people still go out there anymore.

Never been myself but I see and hear of people going up there all the time. My rail has been with it's previous owner. I've never taken it 'cause I don't want to tear up my paddles. I had an old set I should have kept just for that reason.

The lava rock is pretty tough on equipt from what I hear. Tears up the paint and paddles.

Just what I've heard, don't take it as fact. I do know the original paddles on my rail were pretty beat up and the people I bought it from said they went to the cinders a lot.

They are fun and its nice to get out of the heat. When I have been there didn't see that many buggies climbing the hill. That hill is very dangerous for buggies and jeeps. I have seen several roll. The hills can be far steeper than the sand dunes and not as forgiving. Lots of whoops.

altitude also plays a matter in jetting and tuning

I heard there was a hill climb contest up there 1st week in Aug. That would be cool to watch.

I used to go Jeepin there alot when I was in college (96-99). It used to get pretty crowded with 4X4's(not like glamis) and was fun to watch guys ATTEMPT to make the hill.
Last time I rode and camped there was a few years ago(2001 or 02) with my banshee. It was awesome, but I ruined the paddles on my bike. It is a beautiful place to ride and has some challenging(steep high-altitude) terrain. It is crazy to do those hills in a carburated motor because they go from 7,000 to +9,000(some higher) feet quick and I had trouble with my jetting there. By mid way on the big hills, the motor is starving for air. It is scary turning around with choked out power on a super steep face in deep sharp rock. The forest camping and the view from the top of a few of those mountain/hills/volcanoes is awesome.
More recently, I was up there visiting friends in (2003 or 04) and the forest service had the cinders closed or restricted access because of a bad fire season. I live to far away to frequent those areas now but I do miss it, and whenever I visit friends in Flag I cruise out there in the truck and hit some 4X trails.

Yeah what he said, It's great !! big bowl huge freakin hills. I can take my quads anywear @ glamis and there is stuff @ the cinders I would not even attempt. jeeps have rolled 30 plus time down 100$ hill only to find 4 dead passangers ....freakin knarly ... would never take a painted LT ..thats just me..

Last year I went up there with a friend and i took my quad. It was fun awsome views as mentioned earlier. The same guy is building house up in Flagstaff so ill be going there a couple times year.

100 dollar hil isnt anything go to the backside where the big ones are.
It's hard on the paint and chrome and other s*** with the buggys so just take the quads and have at it ,,its a fun time and always something to watch ....just got to put up with the dust...

Had my truck up there once or twice and would love to go back with my rail...but not until I have a second set of paddles so I can run some old ones...the cinders are definately harsher than sand.

Someone over at vwbaja.net just posted his photos from Memorial day up there:
http://nmsandrails.com/events/cinders505/

Some of the shots on page two really give a feel for just how big some of the stuff up there is.

damn those are some huge steep hills

and i thought sand mountain utah,choke cherry and devils dune were bad

We checked out the place in March. I only had the Yukon, so I didn't venture out too far. Looked interesting for quads, but I don't know if I woud bring my rail. Pretty area. Lots of other stuff to check out (Sunset Crater National Monument, Wupatki National Monument).





Cinders Dune Guide

We have never been there but I would say go for it. We have always had fun going some place new.