They seem to work great on their cars and Funco owner's all seem real happy with them. What's the deal?
Full Version: Air Bags - Why Don't We See More?
How come Funco is the only manufacturer (that I know of at least) using an air bag setup?
They seem to work great on their cars and Funco owner's all seem real happy with them. What's the deal?
They seem to work great on their cars and Funco owner's all seem real happy with them. What's the deal?
Scorpion sand cars
My Scorpion has bags and rides awesome!
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Scorpion sand cars
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I stand corrected. Interesting front setup.
Travel... I don't think you can get as much travel with air bags and there is the issue of rebound.... The beach ball effect. (But I could be wrong)
Zilla
Zilla
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How come Funco is the only manufacturer (that I know of at least) using an air bag setup?
They seem to work great on their cars and Funco owner's all seem real happy with them. What's the deal?
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travel you're right. beachball effect you're wrong.
If you want air bags go to Whine And Cheeze there is a ton of them over there. 
we got's lots of buggys with airbags in the drivers seat... (and before anyone says it, yep, that's why I got's a 5 bagger.. )
Why would a reasonable amount of long travel be limited? One would think that with just a little bit of calculation you could quickly determine bag placement along the arm to match bag travel with overall arm travel. I suspect there is an ideal ratio of bag travel to arm travel..and that might be one of funco's "secret recipies", right along with shock valving.
(and before anyone says it, yep, that's why I got's a 5 bagger.. )Why would a reasonable amount of long travel be limited? One would think that with just a little bit of calculation you could quickly determine bag placement along the arm to match bag travel with overall arm travel. I suspect there is an ideal ratio of bag travel to arm travel..and that might be one of funco's "secret recipies", right along with shock valving.
Pics of my front bags
I don't think it's a travel issue. With proper placement and product selection, they could handle any travel designed into the system.
I would think it's more of a convienence(sp), thing. It's easier to grab an off-the-shelf coilover than to take the time to design an airbag system.
And from the info I got, each bag has to be specific to the suspension. It's easier to call King, FOX and get something that will work close enough.
Carl
I would think it's more of a convienence(sp), thing. It's easier to grab an off-the-shelf coilover than to take the time to design an airbag system.
And from the info I got, each bag has to be specific to the suspension. It's easier to call King, FOX and get something that will work close enough.
Carl
I wonder what the weight savings is on airbag vs coilover? Grant?
Its hard to get the airbags in the steering wheels used on teh buggys and they might go off on a G out.. Bad idea..
DOH.. you mean air bag for suspension.. The semis use them dont they??
DOH.. you mean air bag for suspension.. The semis use them dont they??
I have seen a ford ranger with airbags on its rear 4-link had around 30 inches of travel, with a 8 inch travel bag, worked good so I think the travel issue is easily solved.
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travel you're right. beachball effect you're wrong.
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I would say that the valving in an air bag type shock setup is key. The air bag is really there to set ride height but it also gives it more of a cush ride vs. how a spring works; depending on spring rate a few hundred pounds per inch. For the all around cushy ride an air bag is the way to go but when you are looking for big travel a coilover and a bypass shock will not be beat by anything relying completely on air.
The 3/4 links with bags....are a cheap way to set up this type of suspension. Running a 8" bag would mean that it is really close to the front pivot point and basically not having any arm control. The farther back the shocks; the more control you have over the links but you lose travel unless you run really long shocks.
to a 3/4 link with bags....if that bag pops good luck getting home.
The 3/4 links with bags....are a cheap way to set up this type of suspension. Running a 8" bag would mean that it is really close to the front pivot point and basically not having any arm control. The farther back the shocks; the more control you have over the links but you lose travel unless you run really long shocks.
to a 3/4 link with bags....if that bag pops good luck getting home.
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What is that supposed to prove? With the proper rebound dampning that wouldnt happen. Besides a coilover car without proper rebound would do the same thing!
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I have the same F end, it works great(smooth ride)! WW you have your bags hooked up to onboard air & controller? Clean install NICE!
Are all 4 corners independent or is it front & rear? Any pics ofthe controller? If I was going to keep my Scorpion I was going to do this. Adjust on the fly & onboard air...
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What is that supposed to prove? With the proper rebound dampning that wouldnt happen. Besides a coilover car without proper rebound would do the same thing!
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flashpoint
just face it: air bags are for slow and comfort minded WUSSIES
J/K
realy, i start to like air bags (our Pete will have 8 of them
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Ya but the motor in your rig is in the wrong place.
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travel you're right. beachball effect you're wrong.
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Hey Zilla make sure you tell Grant George that airbags dont work , and then try following him in the dunes. He will straight out embarass your azz. The cool thing is Grant wont rub it in your face like I would
You guys are missing part of the reason so few builders use air bags. And I was told this info by Grant and Gil years ago...
Most people just like the "look" of coil-overs. They look beefy. They look off-roady. The look like what off-road race cars have. That is why, contrary to their own beliefs, Funco started selling a few cars with coil-overs. Because some people just like them better.
And we have a member of this board that went that route. Mr. FasterDaddy bought a Funco with coil-overs. Then after duning with Flashpoint for so long decided to convert the car to air bags.
Although I've never asked, I would be willing to bet that Grant and Gil tried to talk FasterDaddy into buying an air bag Funco from the get-go.
Am I correct Tom?
Most people just like the "look" of coil-overs. They look beefy. They look off-roady. The look like what off-road race cars have. That is why, contrary to their own beliefs, Funco started selling a few cars with coil-overs. Because some people just like them better.
And we have a member of this board that went that route. Mr. FasterDaddy bought a Funco with coil-overs. Then after duning with Flashpoint for so long decided to convert the car to air bags.
Although I've never asked, I would be willing to bet that Grant and Gil tried to talk FasterDaddy into buying an air bag Funco from the get-go.
Am I correct Tom?
I was in Pauls (scorpion) shop around 7-10 years ago when He was first designing the airbag cars. He had about 50 pictures of misc. Funco cars laying around his shop. I guess you learn from the master.
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I have the same F end, it works great(smooth ride)! WW you have your bags hooked up to onboard air & controller? Clean install NICE!
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All four are independent and adjustable on the fly. The onboard compressor is especially nice when there's a tire issue (we had one when playing hard pack)This is the only pic I have hand of the controls.
I guess Paul didnt learn enough from those pics !!. 
A little R & D on the shock valving might have helped !.
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A little R & D on the shock valving might have helped !.
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QUOTE(KingGlamis @ Jun 18 2005, 08:05 PM)
You guys are missing part of the reason so few builders use air bags. And I was told this info by Grant and Gil years ago...
Most people just like the "look" of coil-overs. They look beefy. They look off-roady. The look like what off-road race cars have. That is why, contrary to their own beliefs, Funco started selling a few cars with coil-overs. Because some people just like them better.
And we have a member of this board that went that route. Mr. FasterDaddy bought a Funco with coil-overs. Then after duning with Flashpoint for so long decided to convert the car to air bags.
Although I've never asked, I would be willing to bet that Grant and Gil tried to talk FasterDaddy into buying an air bag Funco from the get-go.
Am I correct Tom?
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Most people just like the "look" of coil-overs. They look beefy. They look off-roady. The look like what off-road race cars have. That is why, contrary to their own beliefs, Funco started selling a few cars with coil-overs. Because some people just like them better.
And we have a member of this board that went that route. Mr. FasterDaddy bought a Funco with coil-overs. Then after duning with Flashpoint for so long decided to convert the car to air bags.
Although I've never asked, I would be willing to bet that Grant and Gil tried to talk FasterDaddy into buying an air bag Funco from the get-go.
Am I correct Tom?
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King,
You are correct on all counts.
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Hey Zilla make sure you tell Grant George that airbags dont work , and then try following him in the dunes. He will straight out embarass your azz. The cool thing is Grant wont rub it in your face like I would
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... This is just too easy. I knew when I posted this is I was headed for a flame fest... The link I posted "in my opinion" shows the "beach ball effect" of which I spoke. Others in this thread say all buggy's do that... And any good driver can out dune a bad driver no matter what buggy he drives. If you say Grant is lord dunner... That's cool. But I bet there's a 100 more just like him out there and they don't have to have an air bag car to be good duners.
And as far as him "straight out embarrass my azz"...How did this turn into a me against anybody contest?
I never said I was a better driver than anyone. As a matter of fact, I have down played my duning ability almost to the absurd. 
bigt3x, I know you're just effen' around like I am... Others on the other hand...
Zilla
The key word here is " IN the dunes ",,, Sure the funco' peeps boast " best rail in the dunes ", I have yet to see an Air Bag Car do the " medium to big whoops ?????????? Like the ones at the bottom of olds, Funco or whatever !...... Maybe some one has pic's of a Funco doing /' duning the whoop's/ and , Besides a wheelie ????
Not possible ???????
Not possible ???????
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I have yet to see an Air Bag Car do the " medium to big whoops ?????????? Like the ones at the bottom of olds, Funco or whatever
You call those whoops??? Those are very small bumps...
I have yet to see an Air Bag Car do the " medium to big whoops ?????????? Like the ones at the bottom of olds, Funco or whatever
You call those whoops???
Those are very small bumps...
Zilla,
Flame thread?
I dont see it. Maybey you want it to become a flame thread so in your mind it is.
You posted a vid clip of a Funco bouncing upon landing.....The car obviously didnt have proper rebound. A coil over car with the same poor rebound would do the same thing. Are you going to try to argue that fact? Nobody ever said "ALL BUGGY'S DO THAT. The only mention of all buggies was in your last post..........
One more question..Who are all these OTHERS you are talking about? Bigt was the only guy to bust your balls and by your own admission he was effing around...hmmmmmmmmm
As far as an airbag car not performing through the whoops that is a good laugh.
They can hit the big whoops too. Ive done it in my car @ around 85mph no problem. Im not saying it could keep up with a Buckshot or Extreme double throw down in the whoops but it holds it own.
I think the main reason you dont see alot of Funco's hitting the whoops is because 99% of the time they are in the dunes riding the roller coaster.
Flame thread?
I dont see it. Maybey you want it to become a flame thread so in your mind it is.
You posted a vid clip of a Funco bouncing upon landing.....The car obviously didnt have proper rebound. A coil over car with the same poor rebound would do the same thing. Are you going to try to argue that fact? Nobody ever said "ALL BUGGY'S DO THAT. The only mention of all buggies was in your last post..........
One more question..Who are all these OTHERS you are talking about? Bigt was the only guy to bust your balls and by your own admission he was effing around...hmmmmmmmmm
As far as an airbag car not performing through the whoops that is a good laugh.
They can hit the big whoops too. Ive done it in my car @ around 85mph no problem. Im not saying it could keep up with a Buckshot or Extreme double throw down in the whoops but it holds it own.
I think the main reason you dont see alot of Funco's hitting the whoops is because 99% of the time they are in the dunes riding the roller coaster.
Well...I didn't name anyone but I'll answer your question. It appeared to me that you got tweaked that I posted the bouncing Funco video... if you weren't, I stand corrected. Also, I should have said flame "bait," not flame "fest."... But it's late, I've been out partying ... My bad. As far arguing the fact that a coil over car will bounce like "that".... Well... I've never seen one bounce like that so... Yeah!... I'm yer huckleberry. I wanna see it. I want to see a bypass coil over car come off the ground like that after a jump. Because in "my opinion" I don't think it will... But I will not be closed minded to the facts once proven so.
As for the rest. I'm sure I said "my opinion" so that pretty much lets me off the hook on stating facts... Nuff said there. The rest of the post was to bigt3x... and your other commits should go to the posters you wish to address. I had nothing to do with it and I don't liked getting lumped in with other posts.
Zilla
... My bad. As far arguing the fact that a coil over car will bounce like "that".... Well... I've never seen one bounce like that so... Yeah!... I'm yer huckleberry. I wanna see it. I want to see a bypass coil over car come off the ground like that after a jump. Because in "my opinion" I don't think it will... But I will not be closed minded to the facts once proven so. As for the rest. I'm sure I said "my opinion" so that pretty much lets me off the hook on stating facts... Nuff said there. The rest of the post was to bigt3x... and your other commits should go to the posters you wish to address. I had nothing to do with it and I don't liked getting lumped in with other posts.
Zilla
QUOTE(flashpoint @ Jun 19 2005, 12:20 AM)
Zilla,
Flame thread?
I dont see it. Maybey you want it to become a flame thread so in your mind it is.
You posted a vid clip of a Funco bouncing upon landing.....The car obviously didnt have proper rebound. A coil over car with the same poor rebound would do the same thing. Are you going to try to argue that fact? Nobody ever said "ALL BUGGY'S DO THAT. The only mention of all buggies was in your last post..........
One more question..Who are all these OTHERS you are talking about? Bigt was the only guy to bust your balls and by your own admission he was effing around...hmmmmmmmmm
As far as an airbag car not performing through the whoops that is a good laugh.
They can hit the big whoops too. Ive done it in my car @ around 85mph no problem. Im not saying it could keep up with a Buckshot or Extreme double throw down in the whoops but it holds it own.
I think the main reason you dont see alot of Funco's hitting the whoops is because 99% of the time they are in the dunes riding the roller coaster.
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Flame thread?
I dont see it. Maybey you want it to become a flame thread so in your mind it is.
You posted a vid clip of a Funco bouncing upon landing.....The car obviously didnt have proper rebound. A coil over car with the same poor rebound would do the same thing. Are you going to try to argue that fact? Nobody ever said "ALL BUGGY'S DO THAT. The only mention of all buggies was in your last post..........
One more question..Who are all these OTHERS you are talking about? Bigt was the only guy to bust your balls and by your own admission he was effing around...hmmmmmmmmm
As far as an airbag car not performing through the whoops that is a good laugh.
They can hit the big whoops too. Ive done it in my car @ around 85mph no problem. Im not saying it could keep up with a Buckshot or Extreme double throw down in the whoops but it holds it own.
I think the main reason you dont see alot of Funco's hitting the whoops is because 99% of the time they are in the dunes riding the roller coaster.
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Zilla,
You are right airbags should stay on diesels,trailers and motorhomes. Please go tell all the other builders out there they should stay with coilovers. J/k
Really as long as the rest of the 150 + guys out there are using coils we are as happy as can be.
Zilla you seem like a pretty level headed guy, on this one comparison you missed the boat ... to be fair, you say a coilover bypass car would not rebound that way...go back and review the video ,do you see bypass on that car ?
It is also so much more than a bypass or not, a coil or an airbag, long arms or short arms.
You are right airbags should stay on diesels,trailers and motorhomes. Please go tell all the other builders out there they should stay with coilovers. J/k
Really as long as the rest of the 150 + guys out there are using coils we are as happy as can be.
Zilla you seem like a pretty level headed guy, on this one comparison you missed the boat ... to be fair, you say a coilover bypass car would not rebound that way...go back and review the video ,do you see bypass on that car ?
It is also so much more than a bypass or not, a coil or an airbag, long arms or short arms.
QUOTE(GRANT@FUNCO @ Jun 19 2005, 08:33 AM)
Zilla,
You are right airbags should stay on diesels,trailers and motorhomes. Please go tell all the other builders out there they should stay with coilovers. J/k
Really as long as the rest of the 150 + guys out there are using coils we are as happy as can be.
Zilla you seem like a pretty level headed guy, on this one comparison you missed the boat ... to be fair, you say a coilover bypass car would not rebound that way...go back and review the video ,do you see bypass on that car ?
It is also so much more than a bypass or not, a coil or an airbag, long arms or short arms.
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You are right airbags should stay on diesels,trailers and motorhomes. Please go tell all the other builders out there they should stay with coilovers. J/k
Really as long as the rest of the 150 + guys out there are using coils we are as happy as can be.
Zilla you seem like a pretty level headed guy, on this one comparison you missed the boat ... to be fair, you say a coilover bypass car would not rebound that way...go back and review the video ,do you see bypass on that car ?
It is also so much more than a bypass or not, a coil or an airbag, long arms or short arms.
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I did as you requested... And I can't tell what's on there but it doesn't look like there is a bypass on there... Just a shock tude. (But I could be wrong)
As for the rest of your post. Dude... your customers love your cars... That's all that matters.
As a matter of fact, when a newbie, such as myself ask what kind of buggy I should get, all the Funco owners say f*** the rest, "Buy a Funco."...Even when the poster didn't list it as a choice. (I did a search last night on that)...It was very interesting. Peace,
Zilla
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travel you're right. beachball effect you're wrong.
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Hey Zilla make sure you tell Grant George that airbags dont work , and then try following him in the dunes. He will straight out embarass your azz. The cool thing is Grant wont rub it in your face like I would
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... This is just too easy. I knew when I posted this is I was headed for a flame fest... The link I posted "in my opinion" shows the "beach ball effect" of which I spoke. Others in this thread say all buggy's do that... And any good driver can out dune a bad driver no matter what buggy he drives. If you say Grant is lord dunner... That's cool. But I bet there's a 100 more just like him out there and they don't have to have an air bag car to be good duners.
And as far as him "straight out embarrass my azz"...How did this turn into a me against anybody contest?
I never said I was a better driver than anyone. As a matter of fact, I have down played my duning ability almost to the absurd. bigt3x, I know you're just effen' around like I am... Others on the other hand...
Zilla
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I never said Grant is Lord. I just felt since you were bashing HIS product then you should get humbled by going on a dune ride with him. And anyone who hasnt seen a Funco handle the whoops at olds can ask around they handle those whoops fine. When I had my Funco I would hit those whoops 3rd gear pinned all the time.
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travel you're right. beachball effect you're wrong.
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Hey Zilla make sure you tell Grant George that airbags dont work , and then try following him in the dunes. He will straight out embarass your azz. The cool thing is Grant wont rub it in your face like I would
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... This is just too easy. I knew when I posted this is I was headed for a flame fest... The link I posted "in my opinion" shows the "beach ball effect" of which I spoke. Others in this thread say all buggy's do that... And any good driver can out dune a bad driver no matter what buggy he drives. If you say Grant is lord dunner... That's cool. But I bet there's a 100 more just like him out there and they don't have to have an air bag car to be good duners.
And as far as him "straight out embarrass my azz"...How did this turn into a me against anybody contest?
I never said I was a better driver than anyone. As a matter of fact, I have down played my duning ability almost to the absurd. bigt3x, I know you're just effen' around like I am... Others on the other hand...
Zilla
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I never said Grant is Lord. I just felt since you were bashing HIS product then you should get humbled by going on a dune ride with him. And anyone who hasnt seen a Funco handle the whoops at olds can ask around they handle those whoops fine. When I had my Funco I would hit those whoops 3rd gear pinned all the time.
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Not bashing. Just pointing out something that I thought was inherent in the air bag cars... That's all.
I think it's a matter of different strokes for different folks. Funco has the bags dialed in on their cars, and their customers love that set-up. The ride, the handling, etc... I don't think that anyone else has really tried to master them, and why would they. Funco has the market cornered with that set up. It's kind of their baby. I believe that Grant has it corerct in saying that there is much more to it than just the bag or shock.
If you want to blast the whoops on Sand Highway at 80 mph while holding a cup of coffee in your hand, then an air-bag car or a Funco might not be for you, but for sheer duning AGILITY, (at least for me) I would rather drive one of these "little" Funcos any day! It is absoutely amazing what you can do in these little "Mini-Vans"
I haven't figured out why thay haven't made a air bag shock with a bypass shock as the top part. Air bag on the bottom by pass shock for the top part, no need for double shocks.
LATER DON~~~
LATER DON~~~
Don...take a look at the front shocks on the funco's, you'll find an integrated shock/bag setup..
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Don...take a look at the front shocks on the funco's, you'll find an integrated shock/bag setup..
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Yes I know but why not a bypass shock for the top part.
LATER DON~~~
you mean like this?
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Don...take a look at the front shocks on the funco's, you'll find an integrated shock/bag setup..
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Yes I know but why not a bypass shock for the top part.
LATER DON~~~
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Don,if you look at the Gen4 stuff,they are bypassed. We lenghtened the shock body enough to have the bypass be effective. On the Gen 3 there just was'nt enough shock stroke for it to work.
You can see by the "HEADS" pictures the packaging challenges faced with airbags.
Yes seems like the hot ticket. I didn't know they made them yet.
LATER DON~~~
LATER DON~~~
Sandzilla, just to be clear,I did not read your posts as bashing. 
I gots really thick skin. Remember I am the current Pres and past Board of Director of the ASA. Anything dished my way here pales in comparison to that.
I gots really thick skin. Remember I am the current Pres and past Board of Director of the ASA. Anything dished my way here pales in comparison to that.
Nike uses air bags, I think they made a little money on that invention??? 
QUOTE(GRANT@FUNCO @ Jun 19 2005, 10:54 AM)
Sandzilla, just to be clear,I did not read your posts as bashing.
I gots really thick skin. Remember I am the current Pres and past Board of Director of the ASA. Anything dished my way here pales in comparison to that.
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I gots really thick skin. Remember I am the current Pres and past Board of Director of the ASA. Anything dished my way here pales in comparison to that.
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I know that
... And I've learned what you do for the sport and there is nothing I, or anyone else, can do to repay you for the time you put into the ASA... In my opinion, that is the biggest single thing that we ALL need to do...become more involved in saving our dunes so we can have these debates. Because if we're not talkin' about this sort of stuff...we must not be duning...because the dunes are closed... A sad day indeed. I think the biggest problem with some of my posts is that I'm being pre-judged by some of the Funco owners because I own and drive a Sand Limo...because there's some bad blood between the too. (That's been discussed at length) My posts deal with defending my buggy of choice, bias included, but I never push my choice. There are too many reasons to pick a particular brand of buggy...i.e, looks, handling, style, engine, cost, ect... Hell, I like LASER"s car and I have no idea what it is... but I like it and want to see it dune some day.
I'm also liking the idea of a sway bar and Joe doesn't put them on his cars. (except one car that is being built now)... And I want a ride in it and if it works as advertised... I want one!Grant, your dedication to the sport and the ASA carries far in my book...
As does Joe's. I think he's been a platinum member from the very start so that's pretty big in my book. I hope to meet you some day at the dunes, or at an ASA meeting. And when I do see you one day, I'll introduce myself... I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at just how level headed and reasonable I am. Peace,
Zilla
QUOTE(Sandzilla @ Jun 19 2005, 02:21 AM)
Well...I didn't name anyone but I'll answer your question. It appeared to me that you got tweaked that I posted the bouncing Funco video... if you weren't, I stand corrected. Also, I should have said flame "bait," not flame "fest."... But it's late, I've been out partying ... My bad. As far arguing the fact that a coil over car will bounce like "that".... Well... I've never seen one bounce like that so... Yeah!... I'm yer huckleberry. I wanna see it. I want to see a bypass coil over car come off the ground like that after a jump. Because in "my opinion" I don't think it will... But I will not be closed minded to the facts once proven so.
As for the rest. I'm sure I said "my opinion" so that pretty much lets me off the hook on stating facts... Nuff said there. The rest of the post was to bigt3x... and your other commits should go to the posters you wish to address. I had nothing to do with it and I don't liked getting lumped in with other posts.
Zilla
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... My bad. As far arguing the fact that a coil over car will bounce like "that".... Well... I've never seen one bounce like that so... Yeah!... I'm yer huckleberry. I wanna see it. I want to see a bypass coil over car come off the ground like that after a jump. Because in "my opinion" I don't think it will... But I will not be closed minded to the facts once proven so. As for the rest. I'm sure I said "my opinion" so that pretty much lets me off the hook on stating facts... Nuff said there. The rest of the post was to bigt3x... and your other commits should go to the posters you wish to address. I had nothing to do with it and I don't liked getting lumped in with other posts.
Zilla
QUOTE(flashpoint @ Jun 19 2005, 12:20 AM)
Zilla,
Flame thread?
I dont see it. Maybey you want it to become a flame thread so in your mind it is.
You posted a vid clip of a Funco bouncing upon landing.....The car obviously didnt have proper rebound. A coil over car with the same poor rebound would do the same thing. Are you going to try to argue that fact? Nobody ever said "ALL BUGGY'S DO THAT. The only mention of all buggies was in your last post..........
One more question..Who are all these OTHERS you are talking about? Bigt was the only guy to bust your balls and by your own admission he was effing around...hmmmmmmmmm
As far as an airbag car not performing through the whoops that is a good laugh.
They can hit the big whoops too. Ive done it in my car @ around 85mph no problem. Im not saying it could keep up with a Buckshot or Extreme double throw down in the whoops but it holds it own.
I think the main reason you dont see alot of Funco's hitting the whoops is because 99% of the time they are in the dunes riding the roller coaster.
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Flame thread?
I dont see it. Maybey you want it to become a flame thread so in your mind it is.
You posted a vid clip of a Funco bouncing upon landing.....The car obviously didnt have proper rebound. A coil over car with the same poor rebound would do the same thing. Are you going to try to argue that fact? Nobody ever said "ALL BUGGY'S DO THAT. The only mention of all buggies was in your last post..........
One more question..Who are all these OTHERS you are talking about? Bigt was the only guy to bust your balls and by your own admission he was effing around...hmmmmmmmmm
As far as an airbag car not performing through the whoops that is a good laugh.
They can hit the big whoops too. Ive done it in my car @ around 85mph no problem. Im not saying it could keep up with a Buckshot or Extreme double throw down in the whoops but it holds it own.
I think the main reason you dont see alot of Funco's hitting the whoops is because 99% of the time they are in the dunes riding the roller coaster.
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I wasnt tweaked about the vid. I was replying to your comments.
The other comments where to the other poster. Why would you assume they where for you when you didnt write the comment?
Slow down when you read and next time maybey you wont jump to so many conclusions.
Sandzilla, I thik you're missing one VERY important point in these 2 pages of bickering.
The point is, Bigt3x sold his airbagged Funco and now has a coil sprung Racer Sand Car on order.
If it was the best... why change?
The point is, Bigt3x sold his airbagged Funco and now has a coil sprung Racer Sand Car on order.
If it was the best... why change?
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